Gout and Caffeine (Purine)

[Vjp2 At]

Are there people out there who know or believe their gout was
caused by caffeine?

I found Theobromide listed as a purine in goutpal.com and so I
went looking

Caffeine 1,3,7-trimethyl PURINE-2,6-dione C[8]H[10]N[4]O[2]
Theobromine 3,7-dimethyl PURINE-2,6-dione C[7]H[ 8]N[4]O[2]
Theophyline 1,3-dimethyl-7H-PURINE-2,6-dione C[7]H[ 8]N[4]O[2]

I've been taking 1gm caffeine (coffee, tea, gurana, vivarin,
nodoz, red bull, you name it) a day from age 22-44.

This is the "official" definition of gout:

http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mmanual/section5/chapter-
55/55a.jsp

This is a "support group" for gout:

http://www.goutpal.com/

Ironically, I've seen web sites claiming caffeine and/or
guarana helps gout.

[Werty]

If the pain is enough , you may want to learn to fast . I and
many have used it to stop problems .

1) brain will create more pain for you are starving the
body . At least thats what the simple "protection" brain
thinks . But when you tell it " My stomach lining is now
touching itself and my blood sugar is normal and i did
this glucose on 1/2 glass O.J. and 1/2 slice of white
bread a day ....

2) the big one that i dont like is after you go so low you
start burning fat . That hurts bad ,.

Most recent , 2004 i curred upper ulcers . Looking back it
was so stupid of me to overeat and raise the acid/food level
to a part of the stom' that can't tolerate food ( your
stomach must NEVER be full ) . In 48 hours i could eat /
drink anything , pain gone !

Colds /Bacterial infections respond to fasting , your body
does not need food to combat these .....


vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
> Are there people out there who know or believe their gout
> was caused by caffeine?
>
> I found Theobromide listed as a purine in goutpal.com and so
> I went looking
>
> Caffeine 1,3,7-trimethyl PURINE-2,6-dione C[8]H[10]N[4]O[2]
> Theobromine 3,7-dimethyl PURINE-2,6-dione C[7]H[ 8]N[4]O[2]
> Theophyline 1,3-dimethyl-7H-PURINE-2,6-dione C[7]H[
> 8]N[4]O[2]
>
> I've been taking 1gm caffeine (coffee, tea, gurana, vivarin,
> nodoz, red bull, you name it) a day from age 22-44.
>
> This is the "official" definition of gout:
>
> http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mmanual/section5/chapter55-
> /55a.jsp
>
> This is a "support group" for gout:
>
> http://www.goutpal.com/
>
> Ironically, I've seen web sites claiming caffeine and/or
> guarana helps gout.

[Jxstern]

On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 04:58:32 +0000 (UTC),
vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
>Are there people out there who know or believe their gout was
>caused by caffeine?
>
>I found Theobromide listed as a purine in goutpal.com and so
>I went looking
>
>Caffeine 1,3,7-trimethyl PURINE-2,6-dione C[8]H[10]N[4]O[2]
>Theobromine 3,7-dimethyl PURINE-2,6-dione C[7]H[ 8]N[4]O[2]
>Theophyline 1,3-dimethyl-7H-PURINE-2,6-dione C[7]H[
>8]N[4]O[2]

Good to know, I gave up coffee long ago but drink tea with all
of the above - and the theobromine is chocolate? Oy.

Thanks!

J.

[Mark Thors]

vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
>
> Ironically, I've seen web sites claiming caffeine and/or
> guarana helps gout.

Caffeine can act as a diuretic in some people, which may help
gout (if you don't have a renal obstruction or something that
would contraindicate a diuretic).

The fact that it is purine is not necessarily relevant,
because the effective dose for a drug effect is so small. Your
intake of reduced nitrogen from food (proteins and nucleic
acids) is likely to dwarf the contribution from caffeine. That
said, it also matters why you have gout. If you have kidney
failure, it may be necessary to restrict all sources of
reduced nitrogen, including caffeine.

In my case, my gout attacks have always been dietary --
usually from overeating meat. After the last one, I've been
very careful to limit my meat consumption and I haven't had
another attack.

[Fire Chief]

Mark Thorson wrote:

>> Ironically, I've seen web sites claiming caffeine and/or
>> guarana helps gout.

> Caffeine can act as a diuretic in some people, which may
> help gout

GOUT Diet
3. A person with gout does not need to avoid coffee and
tea. Alcohol consumed in moderation (i.e., about 2
ounces of hard liquor, a can of beer, or a glass of
wine per day) is permitted. Too much alcohol may be
associated with hyperuricemia, and may bring on a
gout attack.

Group A: Foods containing a high purine concentration (AVOID)
Liver Sweetbreads Brains Fish roe Kidney Heart Sardines
Herring gravies/broths Mussels Anchovies

Group B: Foods containing moderate amounts of purine (1
serving a day) Meats Whole grain cereals Fowl Fish/seafood
Yeast Peas, cauliflower, lentils, beans, asparagus,
mushrooms, spinich

Group C: Foods containing negligible amounts of purine, which
are not subject to limitation. Vegetables (except as noted
above) Nuts Fruits Milk Cheese Eggs Vegetable soups (clear)
Spices and condiments, including salt and vinegar Refined
cerals and cereal products Butter and fats (in moderation)
Sugar and sweets The Arthritis Foundation

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that's a moray.