loooking for a way to overlay clock timer over movie on DVD - for split times and detailed analysis

[Notgiven]

Need to into measuring speed of motion and such and need this
much detail. Anyone know of a way to overlay a clock or timer
(with 100th second display) on top of video?

I don't think the camera itself has that detailed level of
display. If new camera is the only way to accomplish this, let
me know that too as well as inexpesnive recommended models.

Many thanks for your help!

[Tc]

Use an editing machine. It's like a fancy double VCR with the
appropriate functions including time counts. If there is a
local cable provider (in Canada) in your town, they will have
the equipment and if you volunteer, they will train you and
give you access. Or a video production group or club may have
the proper equipment and all you need is to join and get
training. Or a school with courses in video or television or
communications will have the editor.

TC

Notgiven wrote:
> Need to into measuring speed of motion and such and need
> this much detail. Anyone know of a way to overlay a clock or
> timer (with 100th second display) on top of video?
>
> I don't think the camera itself has that detailed level
> of display. If new camera is the only way to accomplish
> this, let me know that too as well as inexpesnive
> recommended models.
>
> Many thanks for your help!

[Curt James]

TC wrote:
> Notgiven wrote:
> > Need to into measuring speed of motion and such and need
> > this much detail. Anyone know of a way to overlay a clock
> > or timer (with 100th second display) on top of video?
> >
> > I don't think the camera itself has that detailed level of
> > display. If new camera is the only way to accomplish this,
> > let me know that too as well as inexpesnive recommended
> > models.
> >
> > Many thanks for your help!
>
> Use an editing machine. It's like a fancy double VCR with
> the appropriate functions including time counts. If there is
> a local cable provider (in Canada) in your town, they will
> have the equipment and if you volunteer, they will train you
> and give you access. Or a video production group or club may
> have the proper equipment and all you need is to join and
> get training. Or a school with courses in video or
> television or communications will have the editor.
>
> TC

This may be a longshot, but you might want to check out
http://www.irfanview.com/ as well.

--
Curt

[Del Cecchi]

Notgiven wrote:
> Need to into measuring speed of motion and such and need
> this much detail. Anyone know of a way to overlay a clock or
> timer (with 100th second display) on top of video?
>
> I don't think the camera itself has that detailed level
> of display. If new camera is the only way to accomplish
> this, let me know that too as well as inexpesnive
> recommended models.
>
> Many thanks for your help!
>
>
Edit in a window, or watch on a computer and put clock in
another window.

--
Del Cecchi "This post is my own and doesn’t necessarily
represent IBM’s positions, strategies or opinions.”

[Notgiven]

we're talking 60ths of a second here so that might not be
practical.

Thanks though

"Del Cecchi" <cecchinospam@us.ibm.com> wrote in message
news:4k3umrFaeqh5U1@individual.net...
> Notgiven wrote:
>> Need to into measuring speed of motion and such and need
>> this much detail. Anyone know of a way to overlay a clock
>> or timer (with 100th second display) on top of video?
>>
>> I don't think the camera itself has that detailed level of
>> display. If new camera is the only way to accomplish this,
>> let me know that too as well as inexpesnive recommended
>> models.
>>
>> Many thanks for your help!
> Edit in a window, or watch on a computer and put clock in
> another window.
>
> --
> Del Cecchi "This post is my own and doesn’t necessarily
> represent IBM’s positions, strategies or opinions.”

[Eatme]

Notgiven wrote:
> Need to into measuring speed of motion and such and need
> this much detail. Anyone know of a way to overlay a clock or
> timer (with 100th second display) on top of video?
>
> I don't think the camera itself has that detailed level
> of display. If new camera is the only way to accomplish
> this, let me know that too as well as inexpesnive
> recommended models.
>
> Many thanks for your help!

Since a full frame (2 fields) is refreshed at a rate of 1/30
sec you won't be able to display an accurate 1/100 of a
second. 1/30 would work though.

Premiere Pro. Final Cut Pro.

[Steve]

"EatMe" <trollsblow@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1155345189.213618.298220@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> Notgiven wrote:
>> Need to into measuring speed of motion and such and need
>> this much detail. Anyone know of a way to overlay a clock
>> or timer (with 100th second display) on top of video?
>>
>> I don't think the camera itself has that detailed level of
>> display. If new camera is the only way to accomplish this,
>> let me know that too as well as inexpesnive recommended
>> models.
>>
>> Many thanks for your help!
>
> Since a full frame (2 fields) is refreshed at a rate of 1/30
> sec you won't be able to display an accurate 1/100 of a
> second. 1/30 would work though.

Nearly... As you say there are 2 fields to a video frame.
These are scanned so all of the even lines are scanned in the
first one, and all the odd ones on the second field.

Given that the field rate is 60Hz in NTSC. You'll be able to
see movement at
1/60 of a sec.

>
> Premiere Pro. Final Cut Pro.
>

Steve

[Msgrupp@Gm]

However, there are 30 frames per second (give or take 1) in
NTSC. You have to be VERY good to spot a 1 field error. It
appears like a flash (as does a bad frame) and it is very hard
to edit to a field. More editing is done to a frame. In fact,
most commercials (used to be edited) to 29.5 seconds. Now
there are frame accurate automation systems that most major tv
stations and network use. However, now it is even MORE
important to be accurate to the frame.

Steve wrote:
> "EatMe" <trollsblow@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1155-
> 345189.213618.298220@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Notgiven wrote:
> >> Need to into measuring speed of motion and such and need
> >> this much detail. Anyone know of a way to overlay a clock
> >> or timer (with 100th second display) on top of video?
> >>
> >> I don't think the camera itself has that detailed level
> >> of display. If new camera is the only way to accomplish
> >> this, let me know that too as well as inexpesnive
> >> recommended models.
> >>
> >> Many thanks for your help!
> >
> > Since a full frame (2 fields) is refreshed at a rate of
> > 1/30 sec you won't be able to display an accurate 1/100 of
> > a second. 1/30 would work though.
>
> Nearly... As you say there are 2 fields to a video frame.
> These are scanned so all of the even lines are scanned in
> the first one, and all the odd ones on the second field.
>
> Given that the field rate is 60Hz in NTSC. You'll be able to
> see movement at
> 1/60 of a sec.
>
> >
> > Premiere Pro. Final Cut Pro.
> >
>
> Steve

[Msgrupp@Gm]

However, there are 30 frames per second (give or take 1) in
NTSC. You have to be VERY good to spot a 1 field error. It
appears like a flash (as does a bad frame) and it is very hard
to edit to a field. More editing is done to a frame. In fact,
most commercials (used to be edited) to 29.5 seconds. Now
there are frame accurate automation systems that most major tv
stations and network use. However, now it is even MORE
important to be accurate to the frame.

A better idea is to find someone with a high grade (i,e.
professional) character generator (chyron, deko) and use the
clock feature on it. I believe that it may be able to be
programmed to 100ths of a second. Although the usual is in
fractions of seconds but not 100ths.

Steve wrote:
> "EatMe" <trollsblow@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1155-
> 345189.213618.298220@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Notgiven wrote:
> >> Need to into measuring speed of motion and such and need
> >> this much detail. Anyone know of a way to overlay a clock
> >> or timer (with 100th second display) on top of video?
> >>
> >> I don't think the camera itself has that detailed level
> >> of display. If new camera is the only way to accomplish
> >> this, let me know that too as well as inexpesnive
> >> recommended models.
> >>
> >> Many thanks for your help!
> >
> > Since a full frame (2 fields) is refreshed at a rate of
> > 1/30 sec you won't be able to display an accurate 1/100 of
> > a second. 1/30 would work though.
>
> Nearly... As you say there are 2 fields to a video frame.
> These are scanned so all of the even lines are scanned in
> the first one, and all the odd ones on the second field.
>
> Given that the field rate is 60Hz in NTSC. You'll be able to
> see movement at
> 1/60 of a sec.
>
> >
> > Premiere Pro. Final Cut Pro.
> >
>
> Steve

[Wladveiga]

Hi Here in Brazil I'm using DartFish. It has a option that you
incert a timer at the point you need to time. Regards Wlad
ps.: sorry for English Mistakes

Notgiven wrote:
> Need to into measuring speed of motion and such and need
> this much detail. Anyone know of a way to overlay a clock or
> timer (with 100th second display) on top of video?
>
> I don't think the camera itself has that detailed level
> of display. If new camera is the only way to accomplish
> this, let me know that too as well as inexpesnive
> recommended models.
>
> Many thanks for your help!

[Steve]

<msgrupp@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1155693070.491178.230820@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
> However, there are 30 frames per second (give or take 1) in
> NTSC. You have to be VERY good to spot a 1 field error. It
> appears like a flash (as does a bad frame) and it is very
> hard to edit to a field. More editing is done to a frame. In
> fact, most commercials (used to be edited) to 29.5 seconds.
> Now there are frame accurate automation systems that most
> major tv stations and network use. However, now it is even
> MORE important to be accurate to the frame.
>

well.. yes.. but the point is that with standard NTSC video
equipment can resolve 60 images a second (all be it odd lines
on the first and even lines on the second) So if you want to
look in detail at the motion of a sports movement then you can
do it to that accuracy. The fact that you'd generally edit on
a frame boundary is not really relevant...

<snip>

Steve

[Steve Frei]

"Notgiven" <notreallyme@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:tB2Dg.10135$vj1.9795@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> Need to into measuring speed of motion and such and need
> this much detail. Anyone know of a way to overlay a clock or
> timer (with 100th second display) on top of video?
>
> I don't think the camera itself has that detailed level
> of display. If new camera is the only way to accomplish
> this, let me know that too as well as inexpesnive
> recommended models.
>
> Many thanks for your help!

Studio, made by Pinnacle, is a popular video capture program
that will show you a clock, with 1/100ths of a second - should
be all you need, costs less than $100 retail. And I'm sure
there are other programs as well.

-S- http://www.kbnj.com