Low-fat Vegan Diet Rivals Oral Diabetes Medications

[Ironjustic]

I guess this would dispense with the problems some are having
.. choosing .. BETWEEN .. eating .. or .. paying for the drugs
.. because of lack of .. money.

Low-fat Vegan Diet Rivals Oral Diabetes Medications In
Federally Funded Study Main Category: Diabetes News Article
Date: 10 Aug 2006 - 7:00am (PDT)

A low-fat vegan diet treats type 2 diabetes more effectively
than a standard diabetes diet and may be more effective than
single-agent therapy with oral diabetes drugs, according to a
study in the August issue of Diabetes Care, a journal
published by the American Diabetes Association. Study
participants on the low-fat vegan diet showed dramatic
improvement in four disease markers: blood sugar control,
cholesterol reduction, weight control, and kidney function.
The randomized controlled trial was conducted by doctors and
dieticians with the Physicians Committee for Responsible
Medicine (PCRM), the George Washington University, and the
University of Toronto with funding from the National
Institutes of Health and the Diabetes Action Research and
Education Foundation.

The vegan diet represents a major departure from current
diabetes diets, in that it placed no limits on calories,
carbohydrates, or portions. "The diet appears remarkably
effective, and all the side effects are good ones--especially
weight loss and lower cholesterol," says lead researcher Neal
D. Barnard, M.D., PCRM president and adjunct associate
professor of medicine at the George Washington University. "I
hope this study will rekindle interest in using diet changes
first, rather than prescription drugs."

Diabetes rates have climbed rapidly in recent years, and
more than 20 million Americans now have the disease,
which is linked to kidney failure, blindness, and
cardiovascular disease.

###

Vance is a study participant and former police officer who
lives in the District of Columbia. In response to the
intervention diet, Vance's high blood sugar plunged rapidly
into the normal range, and he dropped about 60 pounds. Nancy
also has a compelling story to tell. Until she tried the
intervention diet, Nancy's diabetes was worsening and not
responding to intensified drug therapy. During the course of
the study she lost about 42 pounds and was able to discontinue
one of her medications.

Founded in 1985, the Physicians Committee for Responsible
Medicine is a nonprofit health organization that promotes
preventive medicine, especially good nutrition. PCRM also
conducts clinical research studies, opposes unethical human
experimentation, and promotes alternatives to animal research.

Contact: Jeanne Stuart McVey Physicians Committee for
Responsible Medicine

Who loves ya. Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

[Tc]

Why dontcha just eat real foods, like real meat, real fresh
produce, and real dairy, and save yourself the trouble of
being sick and nutrient-deficient on a vegan diet or sick and
full of side-effects from the drugs.

Only a real food diet can actually and truly improve your
health if you are diabetic.

TC

ironjustice@aol.com wrote:
> I guess this would dispense with the problems some are
> having .. choosing .. BETWEEN .. eating .. or .. paying for
> the drugs .. because of lack of .. money.
>
> Low-fat Vegan Diet Rivals Oral Diabetes Medications In
> Federally Funded Study Main Category: Diabetes News Article
> Date: 10 Aug 2006 - 7:00am (PDT)
>
> A low-fat vegan diet treats type 2 diabetes more effectively
> than a standard diabetes diet and may be more effective than
> single-agent therapy with oral diabetes drugs, according to
> a study in the August issue of Diabetes Care, a journal
> published by the American Diabetes Association. Study
> participants on the low-fat vegan diet showed dramatic
> improvement in four disease markers: blood sugar control,
> cholesterol reduction, weight control, and kidney function.
> The randomized controlled trial was conducted by doctors and
> dieticians with the Physicians Committee for Responsible
> Medicine (PCRM), the George Washington University, and the
> University of Toronto with funding from the National
> Institutes of Health and the Diabetes Action Research and
> Education Foundation.
>
> The vegan diet represents a major departure from current
> diabetes diets, in that it placed no limits on calories,
> carbohydrates, or portions. "The diet appears remarkably
> effective, and all the side effects are good
> ones--especially weight loss and lower cholesterol," says
> lead researcher Neal D. Barnard, M.D., PCRM president and
> adjunct associate professor of medicine at the George
> Washington University. "I hope this study will rekindle
> interest in using diet changes first, rather than
> prescription drugs."
>
> Diabetes rates have climbed rapidly in recent years, and
> more than 20 million Americans now have the disease, which
> is linked to kidney failure, blindness, and cardiovascular
> disease.
>
> ###
>
> Vance is a study participant and former police officer who
> lives in the District of Columbia. In response to the
> intervention diet, Vance's high blood sugar plunged rapidly
> into the normal range, and he dropped about 60 pounds. Nancy
> also has a compelling story to tell. Until she tried the
> intervention diet, Nancy's diabetes was worsening and not
> responding to intensified drug therapy. During the course of
> the study she lost about 42 pounds and was able to
> discontinue one of her medications.
>
> Founded in 1985, the Physicians Committee for Responsible
> Medicine is a nonprofit health organization that promotes
> preventive medicine, especially good nutrition. PCRM also
> conducts clinical research studies, opposes unethical human
> experimentation, and promotes alternatives to animal
> research.
>
> Contact: Jeanne Stuart McVey Physicians Committee for
> Responsible Medicine
>
>
> Who loves ya. Tom
>
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
>
>
> Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
>
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

[Ma¢K]

On 10 Aug 2006 11:03:43 -0700, "ironjustice@aol.com"
<ironjustice@aol.com> Huffed and Puffed the following into the
madness of usenet:
>Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine

PETA hiding it's identity. not to be trusted.

[Saxology]

when I hear people say "man was meant to be a ________ eater"
The one thing I am sure of is that if man was born a vegan, we
wouldn't be here. -Sax

[Tc]

Ma=A2k wrote:
> On 10 Aug 2006 11:03:43 -0700, "ironjustice@aol.com"
> <ironjustice@aol.com> Huffed and Puffed the following into
> the madness of usenet:
> >Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine
>
> PETA hiding it's identity. not to be trusted.

Barnard is the head of PCRM and is the common-law spouse of
Ingrid Newkirk, the head of PETA. He is a vegan non-practicing
psychiatrist masquerading as a researcher. And we are to
accept that his "studies" are supposed to be valid science.

TC

[Ray]

I've not read the entire report, but I've read enough to see
that they are only comparing two slightly different high-carb
diets. One seems to be marginally better than the other. I'd
like to see them tested in comparison to a low-carb diet,
which I think is probably much better for diabetics.

[Ironjustic]

TC wrote:

>> Barnard is the head of PCRM and is the common-law spouse
>> of Ingrid
Newkirk, the head of PETA. He is a vegan non-practicing
psychiatrist masquerading as a researcher. And we are to
accept that his "studies" are supposed to be valid science.<<

>>TC<<

Contact: Jeanne Stuart McVey Physicians Committee for
Responsible Medicine

And this most likely is .. Tim's .. sister ..

Eh ..

A man's .. personal life .. is about all YOU can .. argue
.. with ..

How's .. that .. feel ..

Heh .. heh ..

Who loves ya. Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

[Tc]

ironjustice@aol.com wrote:
> TC wrote:
>
> >> Barnard is the head of PCRM and is the common-law spouse
> >> of Ingrid
> Newkirk, the head of PETA. He is a vegan non-practicing
> psychiatrist masquerading as a researcher. And we are to
> accept that his "studies" are supposed to be valid
> science.<<
>
> >>TC<<
>
> Contact: Jeanne Stuart McVey Physicians Committee for
> Responsible Medicine
>
> And this most likely is .. Tim's .. sister ..
>
> Eh ..
>
> A man's .. personal life .. is about all YOU can .. argue
> .. with ..
>
> How's .. that .. feel ..
>
> Heh .. heh ..
>
>
> Who loves ya. Tom
>
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
>
>
> Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
>
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

The only argument needed to completely dismantle any
credibility anyone may feel this study has is to understand
that the authors are vegan anti-animal-sourced-foods
pro-animal-rights nutbars. The fact that Barnard and Newkirk
are shacked up together is immaterial but slightly interesting
and very informative as to their usefulness as pretend
scientists.

TC

[Ironjustic]

>>TC wrote:>
The only argument needed to completely dismantle any
credibility anyone may feel this study has is to understand
that the authors are vegan anti-animal-sourced-foods
pro-animal-rights nutbars. The fact that Barnard and Newkirk
are shacked up together is immaterial but slightly
interesting and very informative as to their usefulness as
pretend scientists.

TC<<

Is that .. right ..

So a person who attempts to prove a .. hypothesis .. is NOW ..
in your .. mind .. biased to the point of .. no ..
'credibility' ..

So exactly .. what .. are you doing in these groups .. ?

Cause you are a little .. screwed .. in .. the .. head ..

Let me suggest .. alt.obviouslyscrewedinthehead ..

Who loves ya. Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

[Tc]

ironjustice@aol.com wrote:
> >>TC wrote:>
> The only argument needed to completely dismantle any
> credibility anyone may feel this study has is to understand
> that the authors are vegan anti-animal-sourced-foods
> pro-animal-rights nutbars. The fact that Barnard and
> Newkirk are shacked up together is immaterial but slightly
> interesting and very informative as to their usefulness as
> pretend scientists.
>
> TC<<
>
> Is that .. right ..
>
> So a person who attempts to prove a .. hypothesis .. is NOW
> .. in your .. mind .. biased to the point of .. no ..
> 'credibility' ..

Your debating skills suck. I said nothing so stupid as that.

Barnard and PCRM are biased to the point of no credibility.
Not ust any person, Barnard and PCRM and anyone who is
affiliated with PCRM and PETA.

>
> So exactly .. what .. are you doing in these groups .. ?

Showing up idiotic vegan crap like what you are pushing.

>
> Cause you are a little .. screwed .. in .. the .. head ..

And PETA/PCRM vegan nutbars aren't, right?

>
> Let me suggest .. alt.obviouslyscrewedinthehead ..

Ad hominem.

>
>
> Who loves ya. Tom
>
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
>
>
> Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
>
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

You are an idiot.

TC

[Ironjustic]

>>TC wrote:

The fact that Barnard and Newkirk are shacked up together is
immaterial but slightly interesting and very informative as to
their usefulness as pretend scientists.

TC<<

The fact that Barnard and Newkirk are shacked up together is
very informative as to their their usefulness as pretend
scientists.

Now how do you figure .. that .. ?

http://www.ingridnewkirk.com/

Coordinated the first arrest .. **in U.S. history** .. of a
laboratory animal scientist on animal cruelty charges and
helped achieve the first anti-cruelty law in Taiwan.

Not bad credentials ..

http://www.peta.org/about/contact.asp

http://veganic.net/books.htm

Seems Neal Bernard , M.D .. is a cooking fanatic .. too ..

Jeez .. well .. rounded .. guy ..

COOKBOOKS Breaking the Food Seduction Neil Barnard MD $26.50
Food For Life Neil Barnard MD $28.00 Foods That Cause You to
Lose Weight Neal Barnard MD $20.00 Power of the Plate Neal
Barnard MD $28.00

HEALTH BOOKS Foods That Fight Pain Neil Barnard MD $30.00 A
Physician's Slimming Guide Neil Barnard MD $11.50 Turn Off the
Fat Genes Neal Barnard $30.00 Breaking the Food Seduction Neal
Barnard $35.00

Author details: Neal Barnard, M.D., is a nutrition
researcher and adjunct associate professor of medicine at
George Washington University School of Medicine in
Washington, D.C. He is also the president of the Physicians
Committee for Responsible Medicine and the author of six
previous books on diet and health, including Foods that
Fight Pain and Food for Life.

Founded in 1985, the Physicians Committee for Responsible
Medicine is a nonprofit health organization that promotes
preventive medicine, especially good nutrition. PCRM also
conducts clinical research studies, opposes unethical human
experimentation, and promotes alternatives to animal research.

I wonder how .. his .. endurance .. is ..

Heh .. heh ..

Increased .. I .. bet ..

That would be .. evidence .. based ..

Wouldn't it ..

Who loves ya. Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

[Tc]

ironjustice@aol.com wrote:
> >>TC wrote:
>
> The fact that Barnard and Newkirk are shacked up together is
> immaterial but slightly interesting and very informative as
> to their usefulness as pretend scientists.
>
> TC<<
>
> The fact that Barnard and Newkirk are shacked up together is
> very informative as to their their usefulness as pretend
> scientists.
>
> Now how do you figure .. that .. ?
>
> http://www.ingridnewkirk.com/
>
> Coordinated the first arrest .. **in U.S. history** .. of a
> laboratory animal scientist on animal cruelty charges and
> helped achieve the first anti-cruelty law in Taiwan.
>
> Not bad credentials ..
>
> http://www.peta.org/about/contact.asp
>
> http://veganic.net/books.htm
>
> Seems Neal Bernard , M.D .. is a cooking fanatic .. too ..
>
> Jeez .. well .. rounded .. guy ..
>
> COOKBOOKS Breaking the Food Seduction Neil Barnard MD $26.50
> Food For Life Neil Barnard MD $28.00 Foods That Cause You to
> Lose Weight Neal Barnard MD $20.00 Power of the Plate Neal
> Barnard MD $28.00
>
> HEALTH BOOKS Foods That Fight Pain Neil Barnard MD $30.00 A
> Physician's Slimming Guide Neil Barnard MD $11.50 Turn Off
> the Fat Genes Neal Barnard $30.00 Breaking the Food
> Seduction Neal Barnard $35.00
>
> Author details: Neal Barnard, M.D., is a nutrition
> researcher and adjunct associate professor of medicine at
> George Washington University School of Medicine in
> Washington, D.C. He is also the president of the Physicians
> Committee for Responsible Medicine and the author of six
> previous books on diet and health, including Foods that
> Fight Pain and Food for Life.
>
> Founded in 1985, the Physicians Committee for Responsible
> Medicine is a nonprofit health organization that promotes
> preventive medicine, especially good nutrition. PCRM also
> conducts clinical research studies, opposes unethical human
> experimentation, and promotes alternatives to animal
> research.
>
> I wonder how .. his .. endurance .. is ..
>
> Heh .. heh ..
>
> Increased .. I .. bet ..
>
> That would be .. evidence .. based ..
>
> Wouldn't it ..
>
> Who loves ya. Tom
>
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
>
>
> Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
>
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

Barnard... is... still... not... a.... scientist.... and ....
you ... are.... still.... an....abject..... idiot...to..
try... to... pretend... that....he....is.....

[Ironjustic]

>>TC wrote:
Barnard... is... still... not... a.... scientist.... and ....
you ... are.... still.... an....abject..... idiot...to..
try... to... pretend... that....he....is.....

"Barnard is still not a scientist .."<<

You are getting pretty close to .. slander .. there .. TC ..

As a .. man .. I .. might watch myself ..

http://www.nealbarnard.org/bio.htm

He is an .. Clinical researcher ..

With a record of .. investigation ..

Neal Barnard - SourceWatch Clinical researcher and author Neal
Barnard, MD, ... Care Journalists, the Center for Science in
the Public Interest, and many state dietetic associations. ...
www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Neal_Barnard -

Who loves ya. Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

[Tc]

ironjustice@aol.com wrote:
> >>TC wrote:
> Barnard... is... still... not... a.... scientist.... and
> .... you ... are.... still.... an....abject.....
> idiot...to.. try... to... pretend... that....he....is.....
>
> "Barnard is still not a scientist .."<<
>
> You are getting pretty close to .. slander .. there .. TC ..

Barnard is an incompetent boob psychiatrist who is so bad at
it that he is unable to maintain a practise.

>
> As a .. man .. I .. might watch myself ..

And as a nutrition researcher he has no training whatsoever.

>
> http://www.nealbarnard.org/bio.htm
>
> He is an .. Clinical researcher ..

With no credentials in the field of nutrition and barely any
in
psychiatry.

>
> With a record of .. investigation ..

And extreme pro-animal-rights bias.

>
> Neal Barnard - SourceWatch Clinical researcher and author
> Neal Barnard, MD, ... Care Journalists, the Center for
> Science in the Public Interest, and many state dietetic
> associations. ...
> www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Neal_Barnard -
>
>
> Who loves ya. Tom
>
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
>
>
> Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
>
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

He has no business doing anything even remotely related to
nutrition. He should spend his free time stouping Ingrid and
get the frig out of the field of research.

TC

[Ironjustic]

>>TC wrote:
He has no business doing anything even remotely related to
nutrition. He should spend his free time stouping Ingrid and
get the frig out of the field of research.

TC<<

Must piss you off to no end he made .. Oprah ..

Eh ..

Someone else thinks he is very good at what HE .. thinks ..
he .. is ..

http://soundstruestore.stores.yahoo.net/barnardn.html

Who loves ya. Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

[Tc]

ironjustice@aol.com wrote:
> >>TC wrote:
> He has no business doing anything even remotely related to
> nutrition. He should spend his free time stouping Ingrid
> and get the frig out of the field of research.
>
> TC<<
>
> Must piss you off to no end he made .. Oprah ..
>
> Eh ..

Not really. Oprah is just about as relevant as he is. It
proves my point.

>
> Someone else thinks he is very good at what HE .. thinks ..
> he .. is ..
>
> http://soundstruestore.stores.yahoo.net/barnardn.html

Oh well, I guess I'm wrong. You've given us uncontrovertible
proof that he is more than qualified to be a researcher in
nutrition. Oh hang on there, all you've done is shown that he
has been able to wrangle some gullible press coverage in a
couple of areas in the popular media, I guess that isn't
really scientific credibility after all.

>
>
> Who loves ya. Tom

The man is a vegan anti-animal-sourced-food pro-animal-rights
nutbar. He is shacked up with Ingrid Newkirk, the head of
PETA. His organisation, PCRM, has few, if any actual
physicians as members, and is nearly entirely funded by PETA
and other nutbar organisations. He is not even able to
practise in his own field of training. He has no training in
the field of nutrition. None.

And considering that you are a nutbar yourself, and you are
trying so hard (and failing miserably) to try to pretend that
he has a bit of credibility as nutrition researcher, it simply
does not help his case.

The man is an out and out fraudulent researcher. There is
no better example of just how pathetic the American system
of peer review science has become than the example of how
this complete fake and nutbar with a degree in psychiatry
(of all things) and a strange and twisted hankering for
veganism can throw together some completely silly,
fraudulent and 100% biased nonsensical crap and somehow
pass it off as real science.

That may convince idiots like Oprah and her fans, but it does
not even begin to pass muster with anyone with even a wee bit
insight into this issue.

And BTW, Jesus has nothing to do with nutrition, and every
time you bring that up, people just roll their eyes and shake
their heads and come to the conclusion that you are a few
bricks short of a full load.

TC

[Ironjustic]

>>TC wrote:
Why dontcha just eat real foods, like real meat, real fresh
produce, and real dairy, and save yourself the trouble of
being sick and nutrient-deficient on a vegan diet or sick and
full of side-effects from the drugs.<<

>>
> Only a real food diet can actually and truly improve your
> health if you are diabetic.
>
> TC<<

<<snip>> Your incredible insight is a wonder to behold.
All mankind will be saved from obesity and disease now
that we know the "magic bullet" - "eat really healthy and
the best foods."

Sheesh, what a maroon...

TC <<snip>>

http://tinyurl.com/q5n76

Now I wonder what the .. difference .. between the ..
obviously **self admitted** maroonish statement you just made
and the .. maroonish statement .. gymbob .. made ..

Eh .. ya .. fkg .. dweeb ..

Maybe you should steal .. lines .. from people you DON'T ..
dis ..

It just makes you .. look .. EVEN .. more .. FKD UP ..

Who loves ya. Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

[Tc]

ironjustice@aol.com wrote:
> >>TC wrote:
> Why dontcha just eat real foods, like real meat, real fresh
> produce, and real dairy, and save yourself the trouble of
> being sick and nutrient-deficient on a vegan diet or sick
> and full of side-effects from the drugs.<<
>
>
> >>
> > Only a real food diet can actually and truly improve your
> > health if you are diabetic.
> >
> > TC<<
>
> <<snip>> Your incredible insight is a wonder to behold.
> All mankind will be saved from obesity and disease now
> that we know the "magic bullet" - "eat really healthy and
> the best foods."
>
>
> Sheesh, what a maroon...
>
> TC <<snip>>
>
> http://tinyurl.com/q5n76
>
> Now I wonder what the .. difference .. between the ..
> obviously **self admitted** maroonish statement you just
> made and the .. maroonish statement .. gymbob .. made ..
>
> Eh .. ya .. fkg .. dweeb ..
>
> Maybe you should steal .. lines .. from people you DON'T
> .. dis ..
>
> It just makes you .. look .. EVEN .. more .. FKD UP ..
>
>
> Who loves ya. Tom
>
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
>
>
> Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
>
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

[Tc]

ironjustice@aol.com wrote:
> >>TC wrote:
> Why dontcha just eat real foods, like real meat, real fresh
> produce, and real dairy, and save yourself the trouble of
> being sick and nutrient-deficient on a vegan diet or sick
> and full of side-effects from the drugs.<<
>
>
> >>
> > Only a real food diet can actually and truly improve your
> > health if you are diabetic.
> >
> > TC<<
>
> <<snip>> Your incredible insight is a wonder to behold.
> All mankind will be saved from obesity and disease now
> that we know the "magic bullet" - "eat really healthy and
> the best foods."
>
>
> Sheesh, what a maroon...

Your inability to see the wisdom in my statement is a
reflection of your (obvious) bias.

>
> TC <<snip>>
>
> http://tinyurl.com/q5n76
>
> Now I wonder what the .. difference .. between the ..
> obviously **self admitted** maroonish statement you just
> made and the .. maroonish statement .. gymbob .. made ..
>
> Eh .. ya .. fkg .. dweeb ..

ad hominem once again. Look, if you can't come up with a
useful response, just admit that this argument is beyond your
intellectual capacity.

>
> Maybe you should steal .. lines .. from people you DON'T
> .. dis ..
>
> It just makes you .. look .. EVEN .. more .. FKD UP ..
>
>
> Who loves ya. Tom

AND.... your....IDIOTIC.....friggin' around..... with
your...... specialty.....
keys.....ON....your.......stupid.......KEYBOARD....

makes you look like a mental case. Which you apparently are,
considering your silly obsession with unsupportable vegan
bullshit and your insistence of referencing Jesus all the
time. Which by the way indicates clearly how far you are ready
to go to show yourself off as the least scientific objective
person on the planet.

TC

[Ironjustic]

>>TC wrote:

ad hominem once again. Look, if you can't come up with a
useful response, just admit that this argument is beyond your
intellectual capacity.<<

Actually .. TC .. you .. FIRST .. attacked / debated BY ..
targeting ..
Dr. Bernards .. credentials.

Now in these groups .. credentials .. are PROVEN .. it is
the ONLY way.

Now I placed a snip in which you call a poster a .. maroon ..
for SAYING .. "healthy foods only" .. and then I place a post
in which YOU say .. "healthy foods only" ..

Now you 'say' .. Bernard has .. no .. 'ability' .. when in
FACT .. that is up in the air .. BUT .. you .. on the other
hand .. self-admittingly .. ARE .. a .. maroon ..

Now what use is a .. maroon .. ?

You tell us ..

Who loves ya. Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

> >
> > Maybe you should steal .. lines .. from people you DON'T
> > .. dis ..
> >
> > It just makes you .. look .. EVEN .. more .. FKD UP ..
> >
> >
> > Who loves ya. Tom
>
> AND.... your....IDIOTIC.....friggin' around..... with
> your...... specialty.....
> keys.....ON....your.......stupid.......KEYBOARD....
>
> makes you look like a mental case. Which you apparently are,
> considering your silly obsession with unsupportable vegan
> bullshit and your insistence of referencing Jesus all the
> time. Which by the way indicates clearly how far you are
> ready to go to show yourself off as the least scientific
> objective person on the planet.
>
> TC

[Ironjustic]

>>TC wrote:

The man is an out and out fraudulent researcher. There is no
better example of just how pathetic the American system of
peer review science has become than the example of how this
complete fake and nutbar with a degree in psychiatry (of all
things) and a strange and twisted hankering for veganism can
throw together some completely silly, fraudulent and 100%
biased nonsensical crap and somehow pass it off as real
science.<<

<<snip>> funding from the National Institutes of Health
<<snip>>

Well .. I wonder if these guys fund fraudulent researchers ..

I think I will apply for some of that .. easy .. cash ..

They might be interested in your .. insight .. in this
.. matter ..

>>That may convince idiots like Oprah and her fans.<<

Did you just dis .. Oprah .. ?

Yes .. I think you DID ..

>>, but it does not even
begin to pass muster with anyone with even a wee bit insight
into this issue.<<

See above .. share ..

>>And BTW, Jesus has nothing to do with nutrition, and every
>>time you
bring that up, people just roll their eyes and shake their
heads and come to the conclusion that you are a few bricks
short of a full load.<<

To each their .. own ..

Who loves ya. Tom

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[Tc]

ironjustice@aol.com wrote:
> >>TC wrote:
>
> The man is an out and out fraudulent researcher. There is
> no better example of just how pathetic the American system
> of peer review science has become than the example of how
> this complete fake and nutbar with a degree in psychiatry
> (of all things) and a strange and twisted hankering for
> veganism can throw together some completely silly,
> fraudulent and 100% biased nonsensical crap and somehow
> pass it off as real science.<<
>
> <<snip>> funding from the National Institutes of Health
> <<snip>>
>
> Well .. I wonder if these guys fund fraudulent
> researchers ..

If they funded Barnard then they did fund at least one
fraudulent researcher.

>
> I think I will apply for some of that .. easy .. cash ..
>
> They might be interested in your .. insight .. in this ..
> matter ..
>
> >>That may convince idiots like Oprah and her fans.<<
>
> Did you just dis .. Oprah .. ?
>
> Yes .. I think you DID ..

Of course I did. She's kowtowing to her food industry
advertisers. She ain't entirely stupid.

>
> >>, but it does not even
> begin to pass muster with anyone with even a wee bit
> insight into this issue.<<
>
>
> See above .. share ..
>
> >>And BTW, Jesus has nothing to do with nutrition, and
> >>every time you
> bring that up, people just roll their eyes and shake their
> heads and come to the conclusion that you are a few bricks
> short of a full load.<<
>
> To each their .. own ..
>
>
> Who loves ya. Tom
>
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

Bullplop.