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Demi
Tue, Jul-18-06, 11:21
For Fear of Parents' Reactions -- and Other Reasons -- Many Pediatricians Ignore the Biggest Problem That Weighs On Young Patients

By Sandra G. Boodman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, July 18, 2006

Some doctors call it "the other f-word" -- a problem they see on a daily basis but many are reluctant to address: kids who are too fat.

The issue is not new, but experts say it has acquired greater urgency as obesity has ballooned in the past 25 years, accompanied by sharp increases in diabetes, hypertension and high cholesterol, conditions that used to be largely the province of those middle-aged or older. In 1980, according to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), 7 percent of children and 5 percent of teenagers were overweight; today the figures hover around 19 percent and 17 percent, respectively.

Doctors at Children's National Medical Center in Washington, where 38 percent of patients are obese, say that in recent years they have treated a 9-year-old who suffered a heart attack, a child with a body mass index of 52 (a 5-foot-6 adult with a BMI of 52 would weigh 322 pounds) and several others so dangerously fat that they underwent gastric bypass surgery.

So why are many doctors reluctant to mention an obvious problem?

The reasons are many, experts say: fear of alienating a family or hurting a child; uncertainty about what weight loss approaches have the best outcomes -- or work at all; accelerating time pressures coupled with the requirement that doctors cover an increasing number of topics in a visit; and an insurance system that often does not reimburse doctors for follow-up visits to treat obesity alone. Many pediatricians also say they have no place to refer children who need more intensive help managing their weight.

Locally, that will change in September when Children's is scheduled to open a multidisciplinary pediatric obesity clinic for children between 2 and 18. The clinic, which will feature individual and group treatments for children and their families, will include a nutritionist, a cardiologist, an endocrinologist and a personal trainer. "We're hoping to create a home for overweight and obese children," said Nazrat Mirza, the Children's obesity specialist who will direct the clinic.

"Many doctors don't feel comfortable or competent talking about obesity," Mirza said. Because pediatricians typically schedule patients every 10 to 15 minutes and are expected to cover a multitude of topics including immunizations and safety issues, "they think, 'Do I want to open that Pandora's box' " by mentioning a child's weight?

Often, she said, the decision is no -- particularly if a parent is overweight, as is often the case. Some who have broached the subject, Mirza said, have complained that "it doesn't seem to make a difference, kids just keep gaining weight, so why are we wasting our time?" And many doctors are unsure about which approaches are likely to work best with kids.

To help physicians address the problem, Children's has held classes designed to help doctors and nurses communicate with parents, advising them to open the discussion by showing them where a child falls on the growth charts and calculating the child's BMI.

Anything but 'Fat'

Even the terminology used to describe children's weight problems is prompting debate, as doctors draw up new guidelines for the diagnosis and treatment of obesity under the aegis of the American Medical Association and the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP).

For several years the CDC has recommended that clinicians classify children who are overweight -- above the 85th percentile on growth charts that track height, weight and age -- as at "risk of overweight."

Those above the 95th percentile are called overweight -- rather than obese -- to avoid stigmatizing them.

Reginald Washington, a pediatric cardiologist in Denver who is co-chairman of the AAP's task force on obesity, said the CDC's "warm and fuzzy" labels obscure the health crisis personified by the children who are routinely referred to him for treatment of high blood pressure and high cholesterol.

"I think until people realize they have to change, they won't," Washington said, adding that one reason childhood obesity "is so out of control is that no one wants to talk about it."

Washington said he has been accused by parents of callousness or an inability to understand the problem when he tells them their children need to lose weight -- criticisms he rejects. Many parents, he added, are too fat themselves and are unwilling to make changes to help their children lose weight.

"There's a lot of denial," Washington said, adding that parents have told him they can't buy healthier foods because their children refuse to eat them, or they don't want to remove the TV set from a child's bedroom because he or she will get into trouble doing other things.

But other experts say that labeling kids overweight and obese may prove more harmful by making them feel there is little they can change. It is easy, they warn, to oversimplify a complex problem that may involve cultural differences, poverty and psychological factors.

"The issue is not as simple as telling people to eat more fresh fruits and vegetables and move more," said adolescent medicine specialist Adekemi Oguntala, who co-directs an obesity treatment program at Children's Hospital and Research Center in Oakland, Calif., that is grappling with problems similar to its District counterpart. In some cases, she said, families don't have access to fresh produce, are resistant to making changes that involve the entire family, or eat cheap, high-calorie foods because they are accessible or affordable.

And, Oguntala said, even someone who is highly motivated and has struggled with weight knows how difficult the problem can be.

Cultural Complexity

In some cases, cultural differences in attitudes toward overweight can play an important role, said Children's Mirza. "The majority of parents don't know their child is overweight, and some parents get very upset" if they are told their child is too heavy.

"They say, 'I was big as a kid,' or that their child has a hormonal problem," she said. In some cultures, Mirza added, chubbiness is seen as a sign of health and people talk about "that poor skinny thing."

A recent study of 194 Latina mothers in California, presented at the Pediatric Academic Societies annual meeting, found that 44 percent had children who were overweight by age 3, but three-quarters thought their children were of normal weight.

Sometimes ignorance is a factor.

"Most people are not that knowledgeable," said Kelly Sinclair, a clinical nutritionist at Children's. "They think their diet is healthy -- that low-fat Pop Tarts are healthy or Goldfish crackers are because they're not potato chips. Some people count candy in the shape of fruit as a fruit."

Nathaniel Beers, medical director of Children's general pediatric clinic, said he takes a straightforward approach with families whose children are overweight or obese. First he calculates a child's BMI, then he asks parents and the child if "this is something they want to work on."

"Most people are willing to think about it," he said. Even those who haven't been successful controlling their own weight are often eager to help their child "because they don't want him or her going through what they've been through." It's important not to alienate parents by blaming them, he added.

"As pediatricians, we try to help get a dialogue going and to leave the door open," Beers said. Although he counts a few successes among his patients, Beers added, "it's a huge uphill battle." ·



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/17/AR2006071700952.html

dhania
Tue, Jul-18-06, 11:45
It's important not to alienate parents by blaming them

yeah, d'oh! Tell them to feed their children crap is good for them and they are good parents and don't need to change a thing except maybe buy fat-free labelled foods which are just what the so-called cardiologists and nutrition experts are going to advise...

I think a lot of people need a wake-up call, so if it is not for their doctors, who is going to tell them?

*sigh*

dhania

kaypeeoh
Tue, Jul-18-06, 12:47
There are only so many hours in the doctor's work day. He can waste a lot of time lecturing the parents since the kids didn't get fat on their own. Or he can wait til the kid needs surgery. That way he gets a referral fee.

HairOnFire
Tue, Jul-18-06, 12:57
"Many doctors don't feel comfortable or competent talking about obesity. . ."

Then why the hell did they go to med school in the first place? I don't think anybody is asking the doc to give a full-blown lecture on metabolic pathways to a patient in a 15-minute session, but can't they at least say, "This kid's weight is not where it should be, I'm referring you to the (nutritionist, endocrinologist, obesity clinic).

I really don't like bashing doctors, I come from a family of medical professionals, I've generally had great care at Kaiser throughout my life, and I've had some really decent relationships with general practitioners in the past. But honest to Goddess, people, the onus is on the doctor here, is it not?

JsMuse
Tue, Jul-18-06, 13:05
Parents know when their kid is fat, unless they are blind (wearing dark glasses and carrying around a walking stick blind). How many doctors have told parents this about their children and the risks associated with it, just to have the parent ignore it and let little Johnny have that piece of candy, soda or box of cookies? I believe parents need to start taking responsibility, period.

HairOnFire
Tue, Jul-18-06, 13:07
Parents being "responsible" takes nothing away from the responsibility of a physician towards her patients.

JsMuse
Tue, Jul-18-06, 13:12
What I am saying is this... I believe that the majority of doctors inform parents of their child's health and what can and should be done about it. Using the word fat in place of another word makes no difference if the parents are not willing to take the advice of the doctor. I believe that's the real problem. Not chosing one word over another to describe these kids.

Bat Spit
Tue, Jul-18-06, 14:22
Well I can certainly tell you that the doctors weren't shy about telling my parents how fat I was.

And what did this do for me?

It got me put on my first diet at 12, have an eating disorder by 18, yo yo diet my whole adult life, top out at 482, and have life long issues just plain old visiting the doctors, who couldn't help me lose weight, but wanted to make damn sure to lecture me about it every time I went in. And call me a liar if I described my current diet, which was usually high carb low fat. Just as they directed.

So here I am, fat as always, insulin resistant, neurotic about medical practitioners, with a barely controlled eating disorder.

Wow. All that medical advice sure did make a difference for me!

Until low fat high carb stops being the advice of choice, there isn't anything doctors can do for these kids. No sense in traumatizing them.

Until parents stop getting horrible advice from medical professionals and our government, nothing is going to change. Again, no reason to traumatize the kids.

ReginaW
Tue, Jul-18-06, 14:46
Parents being "responsible" takes nothing away from the responsibility of a physician towards her patients.

True....on the one hand, physicians are expected to take such responsibility and help their patients understand their risks due to overweight/obesity; on the other, however, people are often told repeatedly their physicians know nothing about nutrition because (for most) it's a limited subject in medical school.

Then there are the patients who, when confronted are hostile, arguementative and totally dismiss any warning given to them by their physicians.....and as parents, do we really want the doctor telling us to feed our kids a diet we know is not the most healthful for them and their development?

I mean if we push this - doctors are going to be pushing the low-fat dogma even more than they do already!

So far as how my child is going to eat - been there, done that - pediatron recommended rice cereal to start....I opted for vegetables and fruits and egg yolks instead and was "fired" from the practice since I was not a parent willing to just blindly follow doctor's orders - and was even told I was endangering the long-term health of my child.....pay no mind to the fact that grain allergies and other food allergies are in the family history!

Pay no mind to the fact that now, at almost two, my son has had only one viral infection (slap-cheek) - nothing else, no ear infections, no diarrhea, never taken any antibiotics, never even thrown up....is in the 95th percentile for height and 40th percentile for weight - weight to height ratio, 25th percentile....tell me again I'm endangering his health by not forcing grains on him as the foundation of each meal!

Yeah, he's the lean kid - already has some real muscles and is super strong and he eats - willing eats - every vegetable I put in front of him, loves fruits, totally thinks meats, chicken and fish (yes, fish) rocks, asks for nuts (walnuts, cashews and pecans) for snacks, helps himself to fruit from the fruit bowl in the kitchen, enjoys his "eggies" and wants "more, more" of his fish oils!

Have I restricted bread, pasta, rice or other grains?

Initially yeah, to avoid any major allergies early on.....but now will offer them, but when given options, he eats the veggies, fruits and proteins on his own and usually passes on any real quantity of grains - a bit here or there, but nothing I'd call "substantial" as part of a meal. Personally, I am pretty happy with his eating habits - nothing forced, it's just happened since his eating pattern was established early....just last week while visiting my sister and her family, her kids were eating some sweet yogurt thingy (go-gurt?)....DS asked for melon (canteloupe) and had that instead. Personally, I think the neon color of the yogurt thing scared him away (thankfully) --- ya gotta love a kid who asks for melon as a snack!

NewRuth
Tue, Jul-18-06, 16:45
Until low fat high carb stops being the advice of choice, there isn't anything doctors can do for these kids. No sense in traumatizing them.

Until parents stop getting horrible advice from medical professionals and our government, nothing is going to change. Again, no reason to traumatize the kids.
You got that right!

I was around 10 when I first was put on the ADA's exchange plan. The result? I was always hungry and a failure.

Until controlled carbs are a mainstream idea, there is no sense getting on the doctors.

Alicatspjz
Tue, Jul-18-06, 18:07
People can point fingers and make blanket statements about physicians, parents and children based on this one article all they want, but it still is only one article.

Not all physicians recommend high-carb/low-fat diets. I work directly with very well-known, cutting-edge, BIG name hospitals in California. I know what goes on in Diabetes Clinic, Eating Disorders Clinic, Adolescent Medicine (including pediatric/adolescent obesity), Cardiology, Gastroenterology (including bariatric surgery). Every single day docs and nurses are prescribing diets for children and adults that are high-protein, low-carb. We know it works and so do many, many doctors and nurses. It STILL is the responsibility of the patient to comply. It is as hard for any patient, any parent to change their ways as it has been for many of us who have found the path to weight loss. Not all doctors have trouble discussing issues with their patients, not all doctors do so in a demeaning way when they do, and so on. There are just so many factors to consider; everyone is walking a different road. And to spend the last of my nickel, doctors are just people too and if you don't like the one you have then get a new one.

LC FP
Tue, Jul-18-06, 21:42
It is as hard for any patient, any parent to change their ways as it has been for many of us who have found the path to weight loss

Thanks for that, Alicat. I can assure you that a fervent LC family doctor who pushes low carb as hard as he can on every MetS patient he sees still has very limited success. The most success I've had is with people who have been on Atkins in the past and know that it works. Most people just can't get it or stay with it, even if they believe everything I say. It is going to take a lot more than doctors preaching to get people to change their diets.

And concerning the topic of this thread--

Docs in my age range were told during their residencies NOT to overemphasize a person's weight. Especially a young girl's weight. Believe it or not, in the early 1980s NOBODY WAS WORRIED ABOUT OBESITY. IT WAS A CHARACTER FLAW, AND THERE WERE FEW REALLY OBESE PEOPLE BACK THEN.

The big concern at the time was anorexia nervosa, and the irrational fear among docs and psychologists was that talking about weight might cause it. And there was some evidence at the time that it might. I thing many docs my age still have some lingering fears about that, despite the dramatic change in the situation.

Dodger
Tue, Jul-18-06, 21:57
My doctor was the one who convinced me that low carbing (Atkins) was the way to fix my health problems. He gave me a copy of "What if It's All Been a Big Fat Lie" and said that he had switched from low fat to low carb and was much healthier.

It wasn't good for his business as I have only been back once and my health problems went away.

Newbirth
Tue, Jul-18-06, 22:23
Nutritionists are worse. A nutritionist gives me a ride to church each week and thinks Atkins is unhealthy. She is completely convinced that saturated fat is evil and that low-fat is the way to go. When I told her about baking with coocnut oil she told me that was a saturated fat, something I already knew.

I think I have impressed her with the amount of reading I do - not just Dr. Atkins' book, but now a couple of the Eades' books as well, and a Jonny Bowden book. I *want* to know the science behind low-carb. I find the inner working of the human body fascinating.

No doctor has ever said anything against low-carb to me; they have been totally silent. This nutritionist has spoken up a time or two, but also knows better than to start a battle with me, even though she could probably use enough scientific words to confuse me since I haven't had her training.

LC FP
Tue, Jul-18-06, 22:40
It wasn't good for his business as I have only been back once and my health problems went away.

And you don't even call...

betnich
Tue, Jul-18-06, 23:46
AMEN TO THAT!

I have had very similar experiences, and to this day I fear going to doctors because of the lecture that I KNOW that I will get! Never mind my weight loss, they won't know that and will fixate on my shape and that number on the scale. I haven't needed medical attention lately, but if I did I might go with a picture of myself a couple of years ago to show them...


Well I can certainly tell you that the doctors weren't shy about telling my parents how fat I was.

And what did this do for me?

It got me put on my first diet at 12, have an eating disorder by 18, yo yo diet my whole adult life, top out at 482, and have life long issues just plain old visiting the doctors, who couldn't help me lose weight, but wanted to make damn sure to lecture me about it every time I went in. And call me a liar if I described my current diet, which was usually high carb low fat. Just as they directed.

So here I am, fat as always, insulin resistant, neurotic about medical practitioners, with a barely controlled eating disorder.

Wow. All that medical advice sure did make a difference for me!

Until low fat high carb stops being the advice of choice, there isn't anything doctors can do for these kids. No sense in traumatizing them.

Until parents stop getting horrible advice from medical professionals and our government, nothing is going to change. Again, no reason to traumatize the kids.

LC_Dave
Wed, Jul-19-06, 20:11
Anyone who has gown up fat and is older than 25 years old would have seen the progression of attitudes.

From day one it was reemed in to me that it was a character flaw. Maybe an innate character flaw! Damn my non perfect charater at the age of 6!

I was one of the original fat kids. approx 40 pounds over weight - and so therefore I was the fattest kid at school.

Now when you were the fat kid back then, you were at the bottom of the School Yard Rankings. Even under the smelly, ugly, and bullying kids. At the top you have the popular kid ring leader, and the other end of the spectrum - the fat kid.

I would have loved some chunky friends to hang out with so I would have felt normal and accepted, but usually the second fattest kid did not want to associate with you.

Of course Doctors never spared my parents - lecturing them constantly. I was told to lose weight - that was all I was told.

** Back to the topic - I see all this as just another symptom of denial on a society wide level. Denial that there is aproblem, but more importantly denial of what is causing that problem!

The real truth is that I used to be alone with my problem as a kid, now obesity seems to be the topic of conversation, and all the skiiny arm-chair nutritionists are giving their 2 cents.

ItsTheWooo
Thu, Jul-20-06, 01:02
Thanks for that, Alicat. I can assure you that a fervent LC family doctor who pushes low carb as hard as he can on every MetS patient he sees still has very limited success. The most success I've had is with people who have been on Atkins in the past and know that it works. Most people just can't get it or stay with it, even if they believe everything I say. It is going to take a lot more than doctors preaching to get people to change their diets.

And concerning the topic of this thread--

Docs in my age range were told during their residencies NOT to overemphasize a person's weight. Especially a young girl's weight. Believe it or not, in the early 1980s NOBODY WAS WORRIED ABOUT OBESITY. IT WAS A CHARACTER FLAW, AND THERE WERE FEW REALLY OBESE PEOPLE BACK THEN.

The big concern at the time was anorexia nervosa, and the irrational fear among docs and psychologists was that talking about weight might cause it. And there was some evidence at the time that it might. I thing many docs my age still have some lingering fears about that, despite the dramatic change in the situation.

That's funny, because, that's exactly how my doctor acts. He is like supersensitive to me and my sisters weights, always telling us not to worry about it (even though my sisters are both healthy - normal weight). Although he is rather in favor of a high pro/low carb diet for sugar metabolism probs (he recommended one to me, not knowing that I knew how to handle hypoglycemia already). So, he may have an 80s attitude about weight but at least he keeps up with new research :).

Angeline
Fri, Jul-21-06, 13:01
Personally, I am pretty happy with his eating habits - nothing forced, it's just happened since his eating pattern was established early....just last week while visiting my sister and her family, her kids were eating some sweet yogurt thingy (go-gurt?)....DS asked for melon (canteloupe) and had that instead. Personally, I think the neon color of the yogurt thing scared him away (thankfully) --- ya gotta love a kid who asks for melon as a snack!
As a contrast, my in-laws came over from Scotland last week with their two girls. One is 3 and one is 7. I was shocked at their eating habits. The children simply do not eat anything beside chicken nuggets, hot dogs and buttered bread. They refuse to eat any vegetables of any kind. When they came, beautiful fresh strawberries were at their peak. They refused to try. Their other standby was "yogurt" in a tube. I use the term loosely as the only yogurt is the name on the label.

My DH, who is quite the foodie, made wonderful grilled meats on his Big Green Egg (http://www.biggreenegg.com/) and the children turned up their noses at it and instead requested chicken nuggets.

Ironically enough, the children would complain of being bored with their food yet would steadfastly refuse to try anything even remotely different