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kwikdriver
Thu, Jul-13-06, 22:54
Every once in a while, a product comes along that is so cunningly conceived and so flawlessly executed that the only proper response is reverent awe.

The ThighMaster comes to mind. So do the novels of Dan Brown. And here's the Wonder Bar, a chocolate treat in pink-and-white packaging sold by a New Jersey company called Ecco Bella.

This 1.75-ounce slab of genius was on display this week at the Fancy Food Show, a massive expo for companies selling the tasty victuals that wind up on the shelves of specialty stores around the world. There was row upon row of artisanal cheese, exotic meats, jams, breads, flavored water, cookies and something billed as non-dessert cheesecake. One company was promoting a bone-shaped breath mint for people who want to snuggle with their dogs. (Yes. For people.) There were about 160,000 items at the show, which is geared to retailers and distributors.

All of it seemed positively ho-hum compared with the Wonder Bar. Are you sitting?

It's chocolate that is specially formulated to help women alleviate the symptoms of PMS. Would you like a moment to process that?

It's a hunk of chocolate, designed specifically to alleviate the effects of premenstrual syndrome. (More than, say, a Snickers bar already does.) The irritability, the anxiety, the moodiness — all of it is allegedly soothed by the Wonder Bar, at $3.69 a pop. As it says on the wrapper, "Take sweet revenge on PMS, menopause and everyday cravings with this delicious Swiss chocolate, rose oil, herbs and soy."

If there's another packaged food product out there marketed for its impact on PMS, it's well hidden. A Web search turned up nothing.

Your first reaction to the Wonder Bar is probably something like, "Now, that is a great idea." Among women, that might be the second and third reaction, too. But fellas, mull this one for a moment. Think about the concept of craving. Now consider a rather different concept: impunity.

Are you starting to see the terrible genius here?

You will after we call Adrienna Kramer, Ecco Bella's general manager. Let's get straight to the point, shall we?

It's pretty clear that what you've created here is a candy bar that gives women license to pig out to their hearts' content.

"Oh, I wouldn't go there at all," Kramer says, in the trilling tone of a true believer. "The Wonder Bar is incredibly high-quality Swiss chocolate, and you don't need to eat much in order to feel satisfied and full."

Watch yourselves, men
Right. But here's the thing. If your wife or your girlfriend is on her fifth bar of the day and gobbling her way to a couple saddlebags' worth of extra poundage, she can say, "Honey, I'm doing this for you. Either I eat another Wonder Bar or I berate you irrationally and then burst into tears. Take your pick."

Checkmate! A man will have no choice but to sit back and gawk in horror as the little missus turns into a Greyhound bus.

"It's nothing like that," says Kramer, without a pause. "You won't find women sitting down and eating fistfuls of Wonder Bars." She adds: "You don't gain weight from eating chocolate. You gain weight from eating too much fat and junk food."

This is true. And maybe it's a little ... uh, unseemly for men to nitpick anything that brings relief to women suffering with PMS. You can hear the ladies now: Dudes, go score us a few cartons of Wonder Bars and shut your yaps.

And this exact conversation, or variations, may have already taken place a few thousand times, all over the country. According to Kramer, the Wonder Bar is a hit, selling millions since its launch in 2004, in chains such as Whole Foods and Wild Oats.

The concept, which is explained on the inside of the wrapper, is that the Wonder Bar is filled with PMS-fighting ingredients, including pure soy powder, flaxseed and something called Chaste Tree Berry. The latter, we are informed, "was shown to balance hormones." The soy and flaxseed contain "phytoestrogens," which according to the wrapper are similar to human estrogen and help balance hormones, "and thus help relieve the symptoms of PMS and menopause."

Doctors skeptical
Kramer emphasizes that the Wonder Bar isn't touted as a cure-all. Which is wise, because it isn't hard to find doctors who are pretty skeptical that a woman with PMS can snack her way to peace of mind. Chaste Tree Berry has never been proved to work against PMS or menopause in any scientific study, says Edward Lichten, a gynecologist based in Birmingham, Mich., with 35 years of experience. And he adds that while ingredients like soy have been shown to help, you'd need to consume a whole lot of it before you felt any positive effects.

For his patients with PMS, Lichten prescribes a salt pill, which, he says, helps with one of the underlying causes of PMS. "It's not as much fun as eating chocolate," he says, "but it actually works."

Beer for baldness?
So maybe this is really about fun instead of good health. Nothing wrong with fun, right? But if Ecco Bella is going to sell a delicacy that lets women indulge a craving and fob it off as a benefit to themselves and their mates, why not do the same for men?

How about, for instance, marketing a beer that supposedly fights baldness?

"Okay, I don't know what to do with that," says Kramer, laughing.

Hmmm. How about a cigar that allegedly freshens the breath and makes you pick up the underwear on the floor?

"I appreciate where you're trying to go with this, but I don't seem to have anything I can respond to with these things."

How does the Wonder Bar taste? Well, it's dark chocolate with just enough medicinal flavor to make you think that it's good for you. No guy will trade in his Chunky for one of these things. But judging from the reaction at the Ecco Bella booth on Tuesday, brace yourself for some terrible news, lads:

The ladies think it's delicious.



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13849336/

Sherrielee
Fri, Jul-14-06, 10:02
The ladies think it's delicious.

Now there is a "surprise"! :lol:

potatofree
Fri, Jul-14-06, 11:08
By the tone of the article, I think the author himself needs some. ;) LIke the old deodorant tagline.. "Strong enough for a man, but made for a woman!" ?

Paleoanth
Fri, Jul-14-06, 13:23
By the tone of the article, I think the author himself needs some. ;) LIke the old deodorant tagline.. "Strong enough for a man, but made for a woman!" ?

Yup, I was thinking this guy needs some Midol. Now.

4myfuture
Fri, Jul-14-06, 21:09
I worked as a mental health therapist for 27 yr and we had Dr refer women with PMS to us as it was at one time thought to be an emotional issue not a medical issue.

Our psychiatrists always told women if they had strong cravings for chocolate to have a pure dark chocolate bar as the phenlyine( sp) in it was known to help with signs of PMS and one psychiatrist was doing some research to develop this phenyline more.They used to say if you are craving it you are depelted in it so have some, not lots, some to stop the craving….

maybe they are onto something. Anyhow by the time I quit mental health at end 1996 we were finally convincing the medical profession PMS was not an emotional issue and it had been removed form the DSM IV.
Is the bar low carb????:):)

ItsTheWooo
Sat, Jul-15-06, 02:01
It's probably not so far removed that PMS is partly a psychological condition. The symptoms itself are probably physiological, but the severity of complaint and behavior in response is at least partly behavioral and psychological.
A certain amount of people want justification for doing things which are bad for themselves/others. Even if we assume a real complaint is there, the behavior is not always appropriate in response. Hence, this bar.

dhania
Sat, Jul-15-06, 02:24
It's probably not so far removed that PMS is partly a psychological condition. The symptoms itself are probably physiological, but the severity of complaint and behavior in response is at least partly behavioral and psychological.

You don't have PMS, do you?

The severity of complaint, as you put it, is an individual one, so that is probably what you are referring to by saying it is psychological.

Actually, PMS is more like a neurological condition, and many women who suffer badly from PMS are also scoring for attention deficit disorder, or have PCOS. ADHD medication also alleviates the PMS symptoms.

There is, really, nothing behavioural about terrible cramps and a psyche gone mad because of hormonal disturbances, it is all endocrinology. But there is a history (I'd rather say hystery which leads me to hysterectomy and the idea that hystery is related to female organs) of telling women that all their problems are just in their heads.

The only thing behavioural is that I can learn to live with the feeling of my back breaking each month, by taking meds and knowing that I will be cranky because of PAIN and hormones. I didn't choose to be moody and I didn't choose to have PMS at its worst, but I do. And all therapy in the world won't change my endocrinological layout.

But eating low-carb definitely changes the menstrual cycle and bodily reactions, and the blood sugar / insulin mood swings are off, so at least here is some hope.

dhania

4myfuture
Sat, Jul-15-06, 07:05
Yes of course it is not psychological but our medical/psychiatric world is and was dominated by males, recall Freud said when young girls reported incest ions of years ago it was due to penis envy etc and ya right

....same as PMS, women told doctors how terrible they felt and males listed any female with feelings back then as being neurotic.

We know it as a biological./hormonal issue now in the medical field, nothing related at all to psychological and what typically is prescribed is Vit b 6, evening primrose oil, no sugars, alcohol ,caffeine and lots of water, and yes low carb helps for both PMS and PCOS in my experience and my professional work..

Ya It would be great if we could control biological, hormonal, neurological, chemical disorders as such purely by behavioral, psychological approaches, but these issues are not so simple and cause great grief and stress.

Because a diabetic gets irritable when their blood sugars drops to a 3 doesn’t mean its psychological, it is just like PMS but we all know from low carbing that in the medical community it does not catch up with the science of medicine and practice it in the art of medicine thus the lag in treating PMS appropriately, we see that with docs poor knowledge of low carbing too.

When I had to go off my insulin within 36 hr of Atkins all the docs said well it is because you lost weight, ya right, wasn’t it due to not eating hi carbs.Duh.......

ItsTheWooo
Sat, Jul-15-06, 15:53
I knew someone was going to say that.
I am not sayin gthe symptoms aren't real. Of course they are. All I'm saying is the behaviors in response and perceptions of those symptoms are at least part psychological ; they involve learning and environment.

For example, I have hypoglycemia.

Some really don't actually *mind* crashes. They consider them annoying at best.
Me? Hypoglycemia is a BIG problem for me, I have a very low tolerance of it. I tend to whine and it *really really* freaks me out when I feel the loss of control over myself.

I know someone who simply shrugs their shoulders and eats something when their sugar crashes.
OTOH When my sugar crashes, I respond differently - it fascinates me, I try to figure out why it happened, how to prevent it, etc. Also, I *rarely* eat in response, and instead I "wait it out" if I can (sometimes I eat, if I have to).

Yet a third person uses a sugar crash as an excuse to eat candy frequently, or to be moody. I often use hypos as an excuse for venting stress (I mean there is an element of truth there of course but it's also true it's more than sugar making me freak). I use the hypo as an excuse not to eat fattening high carb food.

This is really just hairsplitting since there was a time when PMS symptoms weren't considered real at all, undboutedly that was a bit of chauvinism, but I still maintain there is an element of psychology in PMS (and hypoglycemia and *any* problem that is experiences a primarily psychological functional & perceptual disturbance).

potatofree
Sat, Jul-15-06, 17:12
I know people who use all sorts of physical complaints as an excuse to vent, eat chocolate, kick the dog, whatever... so I'll split hairs even further and say that's an emotional/psychological component to one's individual personality, which is entirely separate from PMS. (especially since I know MEN who act like that... :lol: )

You bet the whole chocolate craving thing could be a learned behavior at least in part. If you get told by your Mom, sisters, friends, Aunts, etc. that chocolate will help, you'll try it. That doesn't mean there's not a chemical reason that plays a large role too. It's like cliches becoming cliches because they happen to be TRUE... the "old wives tale" of chocolate beating PMS just might be as well.

Shoot, even if it's 100% placebo effect, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

And pass the chocolate. ;)

theladyboo
Sat, Jul-15-06, 18:32
Many of those ingredients do help with some symptoms of PMS. Chocolate helps because it has the same chemical semen does (surprise, surprise!) So when your body is craving what it needs naturally and you're not giving "it" to the cravings then you're going to experience some problems. It's natural.

I have PMS problems like clock work. Two weeks in severe hell. Yes, it lasts for a full two weeks. It's not all in my mind like my sister says and it's not just PMS like she says. It hurts. I'm confused, irritable, tired, and bloated. I scream and nag 24 hours and I complain a lot. Then magically it goes away. Chocolate helps, protein helps, bread makes it severly worse. My dr. gave me some generic prozac stuff. I don't take it because all it did was alter my brain. I want a real cure not just a water pill and a man-made brain altering pill. Give me chocolate, red wine, and a nice big steak then I'll be fine. (Three things I never get since I'm always broke. LOL)

Sorry, I'm in one of those moods.

Paleoanth
Sat, Jul-15-06, 21:35
Many of those ingredients do help with some symptoms of PMS. Chocolate helps because it has the same chemical semen does (surprise, surprise!)

Sorry, I'm in one of those moods.

Ummm, I have have heard it has the same chemical that produces the high that love does, but not the same chemical as semen. Do you have any references? I would be interested in that.

http://www.bi.iup.edu/Case%20Study%207+8.htm

Frederick
Sat, Jul-15-06, 22:06
I'm not quite sure what is the more astonishing. Those who created this, or those who are buying it.

LC FP
Sun, Jul-16-06, 00:43
Don't change the subject, Frederick. This is potentially the best thread ever on this board.

4myfuture
Sun, Jul-16-06, 11:37
Ladyboo, I hear ya, not trying to tell you what to do but I had same experience and it quit like magic at menopause.

Have you ever been assessed for POCS, sounds like it, are you diabetic or have an insulin disease diagnosed, besides the weight issue.

Have you tried evening primrose oil and vit b 6…… do about 100 mg ten days prior to period then about 50 every day in rest of month. Lots of other naturopathic remedies out there that works.

Often anti depressants don’t work, but our pyschaitrsits told women to have a small bar of dark natural chocolate and it always relieved the symptoms to some degree, stopped the cravings.....that’s why the research was being done on phenlyine. I know I am spelling that wrong, will have to look at the back of a wrapping on a dark chocolate bar and get it spelled right.

The art of medicine is not up to date with the science so many docs won’t practice what research shows so we have to do it ourselves as we live in our body and we need to take care of ourselves.

PMS often peaks in the 40 and slowly dies in the 50. I am wondering if you have allot of fibroids and that is what is causing the issues, as you get late peri menopausal and then menopausal your hormones wont feed those fibroids so to speak and they will atrophy and like magic one day it will be gone.

Do you flow heavy, do you have chin hairs or hairs in places you don’t want, do you get a migraine just before period starts and it stops as soon as you begin to flow, these are often the signs of PCOS.

Have you had children, was it hard to get pregnant???

Just some info I know, certainly not trying to tell you what to do but sometimes when a light bulb goes off in our head it promotes us to do further research, read lots about this and let it percolate and find a doc who will stay with you and help you unravel the complexities of it all so you being to feel better.

If it were just psychological or behavioral you would have cleaned it up a long time ago as it feels too icky to hang onto every two weeks right


It truly is a hormonal, biochemical, medical issue and our mental health clinics began turning away referrals for PMS decades ago to begin to drill it into society and medical profession to do their own research and treat it as the medical issue it is.

Psychiatric drugs don’t often help unless there is an underlying psychiatric issue.

Hang on till menopause, it gets perfect :):)

Don’t ever expect a female who had not had true PMS to comprehend what you are saying; only we are experts on our own bodies. Certaingly don’t allow some guy trying dismissing you. If males had PMS they would have found a good treatment program ions ago.

My sister has a t shirt that says PMS: its how some guys behave everyday!

Not trying to bash but just to demonstrate you can’t comprehend what is going on in someone else body but you can hurt the person by dismissing it all. If you don’t suffer it you don’t know it.IMHO.

It’s kind of like a person who has never been fat or have a weight issue tell a person who has been fat all their life well its just will power, well if it was just willpower we would have all been slim decades ago.

Expect the same dismissal you get with low carbing when dealing with PMS but know that you know your truth and diss the others, it isn’o worth your energy. IMHO.

It’s only another form of being undermined and who needs that.We’ve been undermined all our lives for being fat so don’t need a double whammy.

Just some thoughts that fit for me, may not for all others but if it helps you in any way Ladyboo then great

4myfuture
Mon, Jul-17-06, 09:52
I am getting Pm from people about this thread but dont see on the page how to reply to them, can anyone help me. I know this is off topic but didnt want people to think I was ignoring them, I am just not computer savvy at times.

KoKo
Mon, Jul-17-06, 09:56
I am getting Pm from people about this thread but dont see on the page how to reply to them, can anyone help me. I know this is off topic but didnt want people to think I was ignoring them, I am just not computer savvy at times.


At the bottom of the PM you will see a green button that says QUOTE - hit that and it will open a reply window. It quotes the whole message your are replying to but you can delete that by backspacing if you want. There is a send message button down at the bottom of the reply window.