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Marc Verha
Sat, Jun-24-06, 17:16
La phalange distale du pouce d'Orrorin tugenensis (Miocène
supérieur du Kenya) The terminal thumb phalanx of Orrorin
tugenensis (Upper Miocene of Kenya) Dominique Gommery &
Brigitte Senut 2006 internet 9.3.06 Geobios 39:372-384

La quasi-totalité des articles traitant de l'anatomie du pouce
chez les hominidés plio-pléistocènes est focalisée sur la
capacité à manipuler et à fabriquer des outils tout en
négligeant l'aspect fonctionnel locomoteur. Or, chez ces
hominidés, le membre antérieur joue encore un rôle dans la
locomotion. Certains de leurs caractères anatomiques
classiquement associés à la manipulation et/ou la fabrication
d'outils sont déjà présents au Miocène supérieur chez Orrorin
tugenensis comme le prouve la phalange de pouce (BAR 1901'01).
Cette dernière apporte donc des informations essentielles :
elle permet de conclure que la morphologie du pouce n'est
probablement pas liée uniquement à la manufacture d'outils,
mais pourrait plutôt refléter une adaptation à une saisie fine
nécessaire pour équilibrer le corps dans les mouvements de
grimper chez des animaux fréquemment bipèdes et différents de
ceux des grands singes.

The lion's share of articles dealing with the thumb anatomy of
Plio-Pleistocene hominids has focussed on the capacity to
manipulate and manufacture tools, and has largely neglected
the locomotor aspects. However, in these hominids, the
forelimb was still employed in locomotion. Certain of the
anatomical characters classically associated with manipulation
and/or fabrication of tools are already present in the Late
Miocene species Orrorin tugenensis as shown by the terminal
thumb phalanx BAR 1901'
01. This specimen reveals crucial information suggesting that
thumb morphology is not exclusively related to such tool
using and manufacturing activities but reflects in a
frequently bipedal creature a deeper adaptation concerning
the precision grip essential for climbing and balancing,
different from that of apes.

Mario Petr
Sat, Jun-24-06, 17:16
Marc Verhaegen:
> Certain of the anatomical characters classically associated
> with manipulation and/or fabrication of tools are already
> present in the Late Miocene species Orrorin tugenensis as
> shown by the terminal thumb phalanx BAR 1901'
> 01. This specimen reveals crucial information suggesting
> that thumb morphology is not exclusively related to such
> tool using and manufacturing activities but reflects in
> a frequently bipedal creature a deeper adaptation
> concerning the precision grip essential for climbing and
> balancing, different from that of apes.

Yes. Cliff hanging. Stone gripping. Climbing vertical
surfaces. Climbing sea cliffs. Thanks, Marc. You have
some paper, abstract? Mario

Dar Habel
Sun, Jun-25-06, 06:15
Mario Petrinovich wrote:
> Marc Verhaegen:
> > Certain of the anatomical characters classically
> > associated with manipulation and/or fabrication of
> > tools are already present in the Late Miocene species
> > Orrorin tugenensis as shown by the terminal thumb
> > phalanx BAR 1901'
> > 01. This specimen reveals crucial information suggesting
> > that thumb morphology is not exclusively related to
> > such tool using and manufacturing activities but
> > reflects in a frequently bipedal creature a deeper
> > adaptation concerning the precision grip essential for
> > climbing and balancing, different from that of apes.
>
> Yes. Cliff hanging. Stone gripping. Climbing
> vertical surfaces. Climbing sea cliffs.

Considering the geographical context of Orrorin in the Rift
Valley of Kenya, climbing sea cliffs might not be an option.
> Thanks, Marc. You have some paper, abstract?

Try: http://tinyurl.com/zgcfk

Dar
> Mario

Mario Petr
Thu, Jul-13-06, 06:23
Dar Habel:
> Mario Petrinovich:
>> Marc Verhaegen:
>> > Certain of the anatomical characters classically
>> > associated with manipulation and/or fabrication of tools
>> > are already present in the Late Miocene species Orrorin
>> > tugenensis as shown by the terminal thumb phalanx BAR
>> > 1901'
>> > 01. This specimen reveals crucial information suggesting
>> > that thumb morphology is not exclusively related to
>> > such tool using and manufacturing activities but
>> > reflects in a frequently bipedal creature a deeper
>> > adaptation concerning the precision grip essential
>> > for climbing and balancing, different from that of
>> > apes.
>>
>> Yes. Cliff hanging. Stone gripping. Climbing
>> vertical surfaces. Climbing sea cliffs.
>
> Considering the geographical context of Orrorin in the Rift
> Valley of Kenya, climbing sea cliffs might not be an option.
>> Thanks, Marc. You have some paper, abstract?
>
> Try: http://tinyurl.com/zgcfk

I did find some paper about this, but I had no time to
read it. Anyway, I'll write few words. First, where
did Orrorin came from? They've noticed some
similarities between hominids and Miocene apes (Ill be
surprised if Ouranopithecus isn't one of us). Which
were around Mediterranean sea. Sea cliffs and water. I
didn't find time to take a closer look, but from what
I remember from what I've read before, both the Great
Rift Valley and the Red Sea formed by similar ways.
First it was the Red Sea, some 35mya, then it was the
Great Rift Valley, some 15mya (if I didn't confuse
something). From what I remember, there was some
uplifting and downlifting, and such things. From what
I remember, there was some vertical surfaces (were
those cliffs?), and there is a lot of water, both in
Red Sea (of course), and in Great Rift Valley (also,
of course). Now, if you imagine some biped that
evolved the way I am claiming (cliffs and water), the
natural way they would spread would be =>Red Sea =>
Great Rift Valley. BTW, thanks for the link, but I
have no 30$ to spend on this. Maybe I'll find some
other way to examine this info. -- Mario