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Mike
Sat, Jun-24-06, 17:15
Deep fried panic By Steve Chapman Published June 20, 2006

The people at the Center for Science in the Public Interest
(CSPI) could give meddlesome busybodies a bad name. In fact,
that almost seems to be the point of their latest lawsuit,
which targets KFC's use of cooking oil with trans fat. CSPI
thinks that if companies and customers don't shun this type of
fat, the courts should step in and force them to. Scientists
generally agree that trans fat is not the healthiest thing to
include in your diet. It raises levels of "bad" cholesterol,
believed to increase the risk of heart disease. But it's one
thing to say there are drawbacks to the consumption of trans
fat and another to insist fast-food restaurants immediately
get rid of it. When it comes to dietary dangers, today's
wisdom is often tomorrow's folly. Trans fat is a good example.
In 1988, when CSPI was demanding McDonald's stop using beef
tallow to cook french fries, it dismissed worries about
trans-fat-laden hydrogenated cooking oil: "All told, the
charges against trans fat just don't stand up. And by
extension, hydrogenated oils seem relatively innocent." Now,
it says just the opposite. But the discovery of its error has
not fostered any humility about imposing its preferences.
Prudence is commendable, but the lawsuit stems from a less
useful impulse: panic. It's easy to exaggerate the threat
posed by this type of fat, and CSPI happily seizes the
opportunity. The lawsuit says KFC's continued use of partially
hydrogenated oil is "outrageous" and betrays the company's
"evil motive, intent to injure, ill will" and other nasty
traits. It argues KFC "recklessly puts its customers at risk
of a Kentucky Fried Coronary." CSPI also claims a panel
commissioned by the federal Institute of Medicine "concluded
that the only safe level of trans fat in the diet is zero." I
asked one panel member, Tufts University nutrition science
professor Alice Lichtenstein, if that is an accurate summary
of its findings. "No," she replied. What the report concluded,
she said, is that "consumption should be as low as possible
because there's no human requirement for trans fat. That's
different." Saying we don't need trans fat to sustain life is
a long way from saying the tiniest exposure could be lethal.
Ms. Lichtenstein favors a phaseout of hydrogenated oils
but is careful not to overstate their dangers. Despite
the effect of trans fat on bad cholesterol, she says,
there is no data on whether it raises the risk of
heart disease. Other experts also exhibit cooler heads
than those at CSPI. Last year, Dr. Scott Grundy,
director of the Center for Human Nutrition at the
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center in
Dallas, told the New York Times the alleged connection
between trans fat and heart disease is too weak to
warrant a government recommendation. Trans fat is not
some toxic contaminant, like arsenic or salmonella,
guaranteed to sicken you. Cardiovascular health is a
complicated product of many factors, including genes,
exercise, smoking, alcohol use, body weight, overall
diet and -- maybe -- trans fat. Even if it does
contribute to heart disease, the courts have no
business dictating whether fast-food restaurants may
use it. For customers who care, KFC gives ample
information on its Web site and in brochures available
in its restaurants. The man CSPI represents in this
lawsuit says he knew trans fat is unhealthy but had no
idea KFC uses
Mt. If he didn't care enough to ask, why should the courts
care enough to intervene? Food giants, it may be helpful
to recall, don't set out to kill their customers, if only
because corpses don't spend money. If Americans want meals
free of trans fats, companies will give it to them. Just
this month, Wendy's announced it would stop using
partially hydrogenated oils in its french fries.
Frito-Lay, Kraft and Kellogg have also announced plans to
reduce or eliminate trans fat from a variety of products.
KFC, however, says it hasn't found another oil that
produces as good a taste. In a competitive market,
consumers can make their own choices and live with the
consequences. Most are smart enough to figure out the
obvious: Though eating at KFC every day might shorten your
life expectancy, the health dangers of an occasional Extra
Crispy drumstick are anywhere from negligible to
nonexistent. But letting CSPI decide what's best for all
of us? Now, that's risky.

NoOption5L
Sun, Jun-25-06, 06:15
Mike wrote:
> Deep fried panic By Steve Chapman Published June 20, 2006

> Food giants, it may be helpful to recall, don't set out
> to kill their customers, if only because corpses don't
> spend money.

Case in point: Big Tabacco, right?

> If Americans want meals free of trans fats, companies will
> give it to them.

It obvious by the outragious number of overweight and obese
that most people don't have a clue about nutrition/health.
Most buy their food only by taste and then cost. ("I've been
eating it all my life -- 30-40 years --and it hasn't killed
me... yet.") That greasy KFC crap tastes great and is cheap.
That's a big win for the KFC and win for the consumers, but
for consumers that winning feeling runs out when they start
having heart problems.

> Just this month, Wendy's announced it would stop using
> partially hydrogenated oils in its french fries. Frito-Lay,
> Kraft and Kellogg have also announced plans to reduce or
> eliminate trans fat from a variety of products.

Hmmm.. would that be because of a potential risk for future
lawsuits or are they switching to better quality/more
expensive [less competitive] oil out of the goodness of their
hearts? Shoot... we all know in business money talks louder
than anything else.

> KFC, however, says it hasn't found another oil that
> produces as good a taste. In a competitive market,
> consumers can make their own choices and live with the
> consequences. Most are smart enough to figure out the
> obvious:

Trust me. Mary-Jane and Jim-Bob don't have a clue. All they
know is that the extra-crispy drum sticks and greasy
hockeypucks taste great and are cheap. "Sir, may I have
another?" Too bad for them, right? Yep, until they all clog
our medical system with heart disease and the other risks from
eating that garbage.

> Though eating at KFC every day might shorten your life
> expectancy, the health dangers of an occasional Extra Crispy
> drumstick are anywhere from negligible to nonexistent.

Just like an occassional cigarette, it probably won't kill you
or noticeably shorten your lifespan. The problem is people get
hooked on this stuff. I'm not at all saying KFC is addicting,
but for many that flavor, convience and cheap price keeps them
coming back. And sadly, it's their kids that get fed most of
it, because parents don't have/or won't make time to cook, and
again it's cheap and they know their kids will like/eat it.

> But letting CSPI decide what's best for all of us? Now,
> that's risky.

What's risky is letting the Food Giants pedal garbage to the
unsuspecting.

Try watching some kids' TV channels. Many of the commercials
are for food and nearly all the "food" marketed to them is
crap. You'd think grease, sugar, refined carbs, and imitation
foods are the main food groups. The reason: Big Food cares
more about $$$s than their consumers' health. But they hear
potential lawsuits and suddenly they spin it to "we're making
changes to our product because we care about you". Please!

I say go after them CSPI!

Patrick

monty1945
Sun, Jun-25-06, 17:15
It's not the bonds that have been changed into essentially
saturated ones, but the "refining" process involved. Any
highly unsaturated fat source (included lard, which is
inappropriately used as a "saturated fat" in many experiments
- it is less than 40% saturated) can become very dangerous.
The only way to avoid the immediate dangers is to use the
highest quality oil, such as extra virgin cold-pressed olive
oil (and hope that it is what the label says it is) and not to
heat it. I use butter and coconut oil instead, since you can
tell with these fat sources if there is a problem. With
butter, for example, you should trim the yellowed sides off
the stick before eating it. Eating an antioxidant-rich diet
would be important too.

Here is a report of an experiment that demonstrates how
dangerous these oils are and how they can destroy every
important molecule in your body:

http://www.reactivereports.com/45/45_2.html

Mattlb
Thu, Jul-13-06, 06:20
monty1945@lycos.com wrote:
> It's not the bonds that have been changed into essentially
> saturated ones,

I wish you'd stop spouting this rubbish. Saturated FA have no
double bonds, unsaturated FA and trans FA do have double
bonds. "Essentially saturated" is meaningless as only one
double bond is required to make it unsaturated. The only sense
in which trans FA are like saturated FA is the way they behave
in a membrane, but since you don't believe in lipid bilayers
you're kind of stuck.

> Here is a report of an experiment that demonstrates how
> dangerous these oils are and how they can destroy every
> important molecule in your body:

That's not what it says. You're exaggerating beyond the facts.

MattLB

Chuck Sl
Thu, Jul-13-06, 06:20
On 24 Jun 2006 05:29:14 -0700, "Mike"
<yard22192@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Deep fried panic By Steve Chapman Published June 20, 2006
>
>The people at the Center for Science in the Public Interest
>(CSPI) could give meddlesome busybodies a bad name. In fact,
>that almost seems to be the point of their latest lawsuit,
>which targets KFC's use of cooking oil with trans fat. CSPI
>thinks that if companies and customers don't shun this type
>of fat, the courts should step in and force them to.

<snip> http://www.katu.com/health/story.asp?ID=86929
June 25, 2006

Heart Association sets new limit on trans fat By MARILYNN
MARCHIONE AP Medical Writer

The American Heart Association has become the first big health
group to urge a specific limit on trans fats in the diet -
less than 1 percent of total calories - in new guidelines
released Monday.

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Which would mean NMT 2-3 grams for the typical diet.

And the issue is more of a right-to-know the content without
having to search KFC's website.