How lying and spinning can kill you

[Phil Scott]

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it appears that the larger a nation or corporation becomes the
larger the mass of infighters and back stabbers there are just
one step from the top.

as this mass increases in size, issues and motives become
obscured or invisible...disabling good judgement, and viable
motives as these will either not impliment.... or are seen by
one or many others as counter to their own interests.

Gridlock and collapse ensue. These brains in justifying the
mess become miswired and actually insae, destructively insane.

Naturs solution death, then a reboot... using the same atoms,
but not the same molecules.

I notice that almost no matter what I say thees days in many
quarters it is not understood, sinister motives are
attributed to it etc. These think Im speaking code and
either feel insulted or opposed.. Trying to make oneself
clear looks aggressive... aggression causes more questioning
of the motive...

Then these act on their bogus assumptions...it is going
terminally south for most of corporate america and americans
on this basis...history shows that entire nations go south as
one large herd of lemmings.

Ive seen a few exceptions..small companies with superb
leadership.....but not many.

I have clients that put out incompetent projects... then after
the customer is in a total rage, and threatening non payment
etc..tney call me to sort it out. I walk into the teeth of a
knife fight as target number one.

what works on such a job is to be completely honest with the
end user...they already know that something is terminally
screwed up.. lying just invites them to be non cooperative and
to harrass you as you are trying to sort the mess out... that
environment precludes sorting anything out.

You must also educate the client as to whats real and what
isn't... that takes credibility... such credibility is not
established by lying or stone walling.

I find accurate education and truthfullness work virtually
every time in those most trying situations.. often where not
just one thing is wrong, but half a dozen things are wrong
with ones product...and there are the clients extenuating
circumstances and existing conditions not always discoverable.

Only honesty and earned trust work in the final analysis.

the company that had retained me in the past would preffer
that I spin for them, and deny actuality or just clam up...
and that might work in some aspects..

....but in the end is destructive to the person they put into
the breech and fire at the job... such a bullet to be
effective must have integrity.

These don't understand that of course, because they make their
money by lying and spinning across many different areas ...as
their heatlh goes totally into the tank.

oh well.

--
Phil Scott Ideas are bullet proof.

[monty1945]

Phil:

You seem to think that "things are rotten to the core," or
nearly so. Howevever, you failed to consider the underlying
paradigm, which is the desire to sell a "product," and not
just something like a piece of cheese, which nobody is going
to pay $100 for, but rather something that is being touted as
having almost magical qualities, and being priced accordingly.
And yet where is the evidence that this is necessary? Do a
google search for "Amish diet," for example. Basic physiology
and avoidance of substances that act as oxidizing agents is
the key to health - no need for much else, as far as diet is
concerned. No need for "phytonutrients," "essential fatty
acids," or antioxidant supplements, etc. My greatgrandparents
lived long lives (mid-90s, 100+), never ate any omega 3 source
(except trace amounts perhaps - no flax, oily fish, canola
oil, etc.) and were not active. My greatgrandfather did a
little gardening, but never any exercise. My grandfather is
now in his early 90s and has been about as sedentary as an
able-bodied person can be for decades.

You can go to my site and read about the scientific reality,
as oppposed to the hype. The difference? I'm not trying to
sell anyone anything.

http://groups.msn.com/TheScientificDebateForum-

[Mr. Natura]

monty1945@lycos.com wrote:
> Phil:
>
> You seem to think that "things are rotten to the core," or
> nearly so.

Go back to your group and STOP spamming this ng, Monty!

[monty1945]

Perhaps if you just knew what "spam" is in this context you
would demonstrate such a miinimal amount of competence that
one person would take you seriously, but I doubt it. For
"newbies," spam is when you try to sell someone something,
pretending that you are providing important information.
Instead, my site contains a great deal of citations from the
professional literature. One may not agree with my
interpretation, but anyone is welcome to ask questions and
propose alternatives. I am only interested in discovering
the scientific reality, so that I can eat in a way that is
not unhealthy

[Mr. Natura]

monty1945@lycos.com wrote:

> Perhaps if you just knew what "spam" is in this context you
> would demonstrate such a miinimal amount of competence that
> one person would take you seriously, but I doubt it. For
> "newbies," spam is when you try to sell someone something,
> pretending that you are providing important information.
> Instead, my site contains a great deal of citations from the
> professional literature. One may not agree with my
> interpretation, but anyone is welcome to ask questions and
> propose alternatives. I am only interested in discovering
> the scientific reality, so that I can eat in a way that is
> not unhealthy

Congratulations on your new group. That now makes you a
spammer. :(

You are totally off-topic. Take it to your group, where you
guys can hold farting contests over who is more insane.

Just thought that you might want to know.

[Just Ed]

Phil Scott wrote:

> errr montie? yer reply is entirely non sequiteur to my
> post which was on corporate cultural issues.

errr phil? this is sci.med.nutrition which has nothing to do
with corporate cultural issues. yer post, like all of your
posts is off topic everywhere I see them.

perhaps you sometimes post in an appropriate ng(?). that is
why there are ngs with different subjects. please keep your
crap out of here.

I find montie's non sequitur response to you to be quite
appropriate. You deserve nothing more.

>and yes its OK to post off topic occasionally to any ng,

and it's simple courtesy to put 'OT' in the subject line
(means OFF TOPIC) so that those interested in the ng topic can
avoid such a post.

apparently you know full well that you are off topic and
simply have no respect for us at all. thanks for
nothing, phil.

you should be in alt.drugs.brainrot

[Phil Scott]

<monty1945@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1151045485.884049.173660@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Phil:
>
> You seem to think that "things are rotten to the core," or
> nearly so.

errr montie? yer reply is entirely non sequiteur to my post
which was on corporate cultural issues. and yes its OK to
post off topic occasionally to any ng,

Phil Scott
> Howevever, you failed to consider the underlying paradigm,
> which is the desire to sell a "product," and not just
> something like a piece of cheese, which nobody is going to
> pay $100 for, but rather something that is being touted as
> having almost magical qualities, and being priced
> accordingly. And yet where is the evidence that this is
> necessary? Do a google search for "Amish diet," for example.
> Basic physiology and avoidance of substances that act as
> oxidizing agents is the key to health - no need for much
> else, as far as diet is concerned. No need for
> "phytonutrients," "essential fatty acids," or antioxidant
> supplements, etc. My greatgrandparents lived long lives
> (mid-90s, 100+), never ate any omega 3 source (except trace
> amounts perhaps - no flax, oily fish, canola oil, etc.) and
> were not active. My greatgrandfather did a little gardening,
> but never any exercise. My grandfather is now in his early
> 90s and has been about as sedentary as an able-bodied person
> can be for decades.
>
> You can go to my site and read about the scientific reality,
> as oppposed to the hype. The difference? I'm not trying to
> sell anyone anything.
>
> http://groups.msn.com/TheScientificDebateForum-

[Phil Scott]

<monty1945@lycos.com> wrote in message

snip

montie... there is something about your charisma here thats
way too far south..normally when I kill file people like you
I dont say anything.,.. but in your case...truly... the
grease needs to be publicly dumped. accordingly, welcome to
my kill file.

which is to not say eating heatlhy is bad,, its just your
spamming of drivel with no respect to the context of the
thread or other posters is south somehow montie...such idiocy
rots the brain.. something to avoid.

Phil Scott

[monty1945]

Yes, it was posted to the wrong thread. It was a reply to
nature boy's claim that I was "spamming" by telling people
about the site I created so that people could just go there
instead of searching for my posts here. On my site, everything
is organized topically and there is also a message board. And
I was responding to "corporate culture:" it is insidious and
"something has to give," because the planet only has so much
in terms of resources, and with current population and
"economic" growth it is not sustainable for much longer at
this pace. We'll be long gone before it become obvious to just
about everyone, so it will be someone else's problem, but the
corporate mentality basically provides people with a rationale
for acting in horrible ways towards other people, animals, the
environment, and even themselves. The internet now allows
people to find alternatives to the "mainstream." In any case,
this is supposed to be a science based newsgroup, so in a
sense you are the one who is off topic, Phil. I just want to
examine the evidence and discuss interpretations of it on this
newsgroup, but I couldn't help point out to you that you are
making assumptions that are not sustainable in their current
form. These assumptions will just be a historical "blip" on
the proverbial radar screen.

[Mr. Natura]

monty1945@lycos.com wrote:

> It was a reply to nature boy's claim that I was "spamming"
> by telling people about the site I created so that people
> could just go there instead of searching for my posts here.
> On my site, everything is organized topically and there is
> also a message board.

That is the definition of spam, Dumb Dumb. Posting to get
people to go someplace else is Spam. And, you are now nothing
but a Spamming Kook.

Just thought that you might want to know.