For Montygram: All Kooks can be Classified!

[Doc John]

Having analyzed the diet of Montygram http://groups.google.co-
m/group/sci.med.nutrition/browse_thread/thread/b45ab837c425f9-
0b/?hl=en# I was able to officially classify Montygram as a
Flatulence Kook. :)

And, I was also able today to update my published original
research on the Kooks who inhabit smn. :)

http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/faddism.html "#
Persons with an abnormal fear of flatulence knock beans,
legumes or pulses. Bacteria in the intestines feeds upon a
sugar, called raffinose, found in beans causing gas. These
people wrongly calm that beans cause digestion problems
because of this gas. In reality, any plant based diet will
create flatulence since not everything is completely digested.
People who suffer from excess flatulence might also be
suffering from excess bacteria and a lack of the proper flora
in their intestines. Furthermore, legumes are known as the
fourth food group in the healthy Cretan Mediterranean Diet."

This was the first update to my behavioral research on Kooks
in smn since 2002. I owe it all to Monty, and a bunch of smn
Kooks who unwittingly enabled me to nail Monty. :)

Furthermore, from analyzing Monty's diet it is also very
obvious to me that he is suffering from a form of IBS caused
by an excess growth of bacterial in the small intestine.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=33365
http://www.ei-resource.org/articles/ibs-art06.asp

Of course, anybody who has been keeping up with the published
literature would already know this.

You Flatulence Kooks will receive my bill in the morning.
--
Doc John

[Msamson119]

Doc John wrote:
In reality, any
> plant based diet will create flatulence since not everything
> is completely digested. People who suffer from excess
> flatulence might also be suffering from excess bacteria and
> a lack of the proper flora in their intestines.

Bullshit. Plant foods consist of 30-40% of my diet and I don't
get gas. Enter beans, grains, and starches and the gas
commences. It has nothing to do with "excess" bacteria at all.
The bacteria in the gut (primarily colon, as the small
intestine doesn't have much bacteria) simply have a field day
on the offending foods, which probably isn't the healthiest
and safest thing.

Beans are a relatively recent food in the human diet. Most
people cannot tolerate them just like grains. THAT'S why
people fart up a storm eating them!

[Doc John]

Doc John wrote:

> Having analyzed the diet of Montygram http://groups.google.-
> com/group/sci.med.nutrition/browse_thread/thread/b45ab837c4-
> 25f90b/?hl=en# I was able to officially classify Montygram
> as a Flatulence Kook. :)
>
> And, I was also able today to update my published original
> research on the Kooks who inhabit smn. :)
>
> http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/faddism.html "#
> Persons with an abnormal fear of flatulence knock beans,
> legumes or pulses. Bacteria in the intestines feeds upon a
> sugar, called raffinose, found in beans causing gas. These
> people wrongly calm that beans cause digestion problems
> because of this gas. In reality, any plant based diet will
> create flatulence since not everything is completely
> digested. People who suffer from excess flatulence might
> also be suffering from excess bacteria and a lack of the
> proper flora in their intestines. Furthermore, legumes are
> known as the fourth food group in the healthy Cretan
> Mediterranean Diet."
>
> This was the first update to my behavioral research on Kooks
> in smn since 2002. I owe it all to Monty, and a bunch of smn
> Kooks who unwittingly enabled me to nail Monty. :)
>
> Furthermore, from analyzing Monty's diet it is also very
> obvious to me that he is suffering from a form of IBS caused
> by an excess growth of bacterial in the small intestine. ht-
> tp://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=33365
> http://www.ei-resource.org/articles/ibs-art06.asp
>
> Of course, anybody who has been keeping up with the
> published literature would already know this.
>
> You Flatulence Kooks will receive my bill in the morning.
> --
> Doc John

I, myself, invented the term 'Food Faddism.' Interestingly
enough, I originally had no intentions of doing so.
Nevertheless I have been more successful with 'Food Faddism'
than with 'Medical Scientism' in changing American culture.
And, the reason is clear. Science Geeks agree with Food
Faddism, but they do not like the term 'Medical Scientism.' I
wonder why?

I, myself, evented the term 'Food Faddism.' This fact can be
verified at: http://www.onelook.com/?w=food+faddism&ls=a Until
my sweet web page on original behavioral research the term did
not exist. :)

My web page ranks # 3 on 'food faddism' in the Google
Search engine.
#1 is a clone of Wikipedia.
http://www.medicdirect.co.uk/login/
#2 is Wikipedia, itself. Guess who's web page is cited in
#these
articles? Interestly enough, I never wrote or edited that web
page in Wikipedia.
--
Doc John

[Doc John]

msamson11975@yahoo.ca wrote:
> Doc John wrote:
> In reality, any
> > plant based diet will create flatulence since not
> > everything is completely digested. People who suffer from
> > excess flatulence might also be suffering from excess
> > bacteria and a lack of the proper flora in their
> > intestines.
>
> Bullshit. Plant foods consist of 30-40% of my diet and I
> don't get gas. Enter beans, grains, and starches and the gas
> commences. It has nothing to do with "excess" bacteria at
> all. The bacteria in the gut (primarily colon, as the small
> intestine doesn't have much bacteria) simply have a field
> day on the offending foods, which probably isn't the
> healthiest and safest thing.

Ooooh, really? These bacterial don't eat vegetables then? They
must be Breatherians, since they can live on air until you
consume beans, grains, or starches?
--
Doc John

[Doc John]

Juhana Harju wrote:
> msamson11975@yahoo.ca wrote:
> : Doc John wrote:
>
> :: In reality, any plant based diet will create flatulence
> :: since not everything is completely digested. People who
> :: suffer from excess flatulence might also be suffering
> :: from excess bacteria and a lack of the proper flora in
> :: their intestines.
> :
> : Bullshit. Plant foods consist of 30-40% of my diet and I
> : don't get gas. Enter beans, grains, and starches and the
> : gas commences. It has nothing to do with "excess" bacteria
> : at all. The bacteria in the gut (primarily colon, as the
> : small intestine doesn't have much bacteria) simply have a
> : field day on the offending foods, which probably isn't the
> : healthiest and safest thing.
> :
> : Beans are a relatively recent food in the human diet. Most
> : people cannot tolerate them just like grains. THAT'S why
> : people fart up a storm eating them!
>
> It takes a while before the colon bacteria gets accustumed
> to a plant based diet. Regular meat eaters have more
> unhealthy bacteroids in their colons while people with
> mostly plant based diets develope a colon bacteria that
> has more beneficial bifidus bacteria. When the colon
> bacteria has accustomed to the change of diet there will
> be very little or no gas problems after eating beans or
> other plant foods.

Ditto!

Montygram has been eating his horrible diet, all because
this jerk has not had his IBS properly treated the way
mother nature intended it. Ah! Another victim of
conventional medicine?

As I my previous references clearly documented, Monty needs a
shot of antibiotics. Followed by a healthy diet and good
probiotics. http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/nmdrugprofiles-
/nutsupdrugs/pro_0034.shtml The antibiotics will kill off his
excess bacterial in his small intestine. The probiotics and
healthy diet will re-establish the proper flora balance in his
intestines.

Monty 'the Flatulence Kook' has my condolences.

http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/faddism.html
--
Doc John

[Juhana Har]

msamson11975@yahoo.ca wrote:
: Doc John wrote:

:: In reality, any plant based diet will create flatulence
:: since not everything is completely digested. People who
:: suffer from excess flatulence might also be suffering from
:: excess bacteria and a lack of the proper flora in their
:: intestines.
:
: Bullshit. Plant foods consist of 30-40% of my diet and I
: don't get gas. Enter beans, grains, and starches and the gas
: commences. It has nothing to do with "excess" bacteria at
: all. The bacteria in the gut (primarily colon, as the small
: intestine doesn't have much bacteria) simply have a field
: day on the offending foods, which probably isn't the
: healthiest and safest thing.
:
: Beans are a relatively recent food in the human diet. Most
: people cannot tolerate them just like grains. THAT'S why
: people fart up a storm eating them!

It takes a while before the colon bacteria gets accustumed to
a plant based diet. Regular meat eaters have more unhealthy
bacteroids in their colons while people with mostly plant
based diets develope a colon bacteria that has more beneficial
bifidus bacteria. When the colon bacteria has accustomed to
the change of diet there will be very little or no gas
problems after eating beans or other plant foods.

--
Juhana

[Doc John]

Doc John wrote:
> > http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/faddism.html "#
> > Persons with an abnormal fear of flatulence knock beans,
> > legumes or pulses. Bacteria in the intestines feeds upon a
> > sugar, called raffinose, found in beans causing gas. These
> > people wrongly claim that beans cause digestion problems
> > because of this gas. In reality, any plant based diet will
> > create flatulence since not everything is completely
> > digested. People who suffer from excess flatulence might
> > also be suffering from excess bacteria and a lack of the
> > proper flora in their intestines. Furthermore, legumes are
> > known as the fourth food group in the healthy Cretan
> > Mediterranean Diet."
> >
> I, myself, evented the term 'Food Faddism.' This fact can be
> verified at: http://www.onelook.com/?w=food+faddism&ls=a
> Until my sweet web page on original behavioral research the
> term did not exist. :)

Still do not believe Doc John? See this piece of published
research from Japan. www.ffcr.or.jp/.../7bd44c20b0dc56264-
9256502001b65e9/e7548536780bf07e49256d910008e807/$FILE/20-
8(8)-1.pdf

"Summary Food faddism is as an exaggerated belief in the
impact of food and nutrition on health and disease. Food
faddists insist that food and nutrition are more significant
than science has established. Such thinking frequently leads
people to overestimate the beneficial effects of some foods
(e.g., whole grains such as unpolished rice) and condemn
others (e.g., refined sugars, flour and grains such as
polished rice). "

Which is ALMOST an obvious direct quote of my web page.
Although a few words have been changed changed around..
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/faddism.html Thank
goodness for the Web Archives run by Alexa which documents
that my web page was published long before 2003. :)

Should I sue for copyright infringement or just grin and bear
it?

I think that I will take a closer look at this paper from
Foods Food Ingredients J. Jpn., Vol. 208, No.8, 2003.

One way or another this citation of my web page will be noted
on my site. :)
--
Doc John, striving to change both the American and
Japanese culture.

[Doc John]

CORRECTION of the pdf hyperlink which is not exactly working
correctly.

Doc John wrote:
> > http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/faddism.html "#
> > Persons with an abnormal fear of flatulence knock beans,
> > legumes or pulses. Bacteria in the intestines feeds upon a
> > sugar, called raffinose, found in beans causing gas. These
> > people wrongly claim that beans cause digestion problems
> > because of this gas. In reality, any plant based diet will
> > create flatulence since not everything is completely
> > digested. People who suffer from excess flatulence might
> > also be suffering from excess bacteria and a lack of the
> > proper flora in their intestines. Furthermore, legumes are
> > known as the fourth food group in the healthy Cretan
> > Mediterranean Diet."
> >
> I, myself, evented the term 'Food Faddism.' This fact can be
> verified at: http://www.onelook.com/?w=food+faddism&ls=a
> Until my sweet web page on original behavioral research the
> term did not exist. :)

Still do not believe Doc John? See this piece of published
research from Japan. www.ffcr.or.jp/.../7bd44c20b0dc562649256-
502001b65e9/e7548536780bf07e49256d910008e807/$FILE/208(8)-1.p-
df or see the HTML translation at: http://64.233.161.104/sear-
ch?q=cache:mP3YgrF71SkJ:www.ffcr.or.jp/zaidan/FFCRHOME.nsf/7b-
d44c20b0dc562649256502001b65e9/e7548536780bf07e49256d910008e8-
07/%24FILE/208(8)-1.pdf+food+faddism&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=4-
&lr=lang_en|lang_fr|lang_de

"Summary Food faddism is as an exaggerated belief in the
impact of food and nutrition on health and disease. Food
faddists insist that food and nutrition are more significant
than science has established. Such thinking frequently leads
people to overestimate the beneficial effects of some foods
(e.g., whole grains such as unpolished rice) and condemn
others (e.g., refined sugars, flour and grains such as
polished rice). "

Which is ALMOST an obvious direct quote of my web page.
Although a few words have been changed changed around..
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/faddism.html Thank
goodness for the Web Archives run by Alexa which documents
that my web page was published long before 2003. :)

Should I sue for copyright infringement or just grin and bear
it?

I think that I will take a closer look at this paper from
Foods Food Ingredients J. Jpn., Vol. 208, No.8, 2003.

One way or another this citation of my web page will be noted
on my site. :)
--
Doc John, striving to change both the American and
Japanese culture.

[Msamson119]

Juhana Harju wrote:
> It takes a while before the colon bacteria gets accustumed
> to a plant based diet. Regular meat eaters have more
> unhealthy bacteroids in their colons while people with
> mostly plant based diets develope a colon bacteria that
> has more beneficial bifidus bacteria. When the colon
> bacteria has accustomed to the change of diet there will
> be very little or no gas problems after eating beans or
> other plant foods.

I am a regular meat eater. Animal foods comprise about 60-70%
of my diet and plant foods 30-40%. I never have flatuence
problems. Are you saying because I eat meat regularily that I
have unhealthy bacteroids? I do eat alot of produce and don't
get gas unless I eat beans and grains, starches, etc.

I think the bottom line is that the colon bacteria have a
field day on starches. Beans or grains. Most of this shit goes
heavily undigested and therefore equals big logs of shit.

[Msamson119]

Doc John wrote:
> msamson11975@yahoo.ca wrote: Ooooh, really? These bacterial
> don't eat vegetables then? They must be Breatherians, since
> they can live on air until you consume beans, grains, or
> starches?
> --
> Doc John

I didn't say they don't eat veggies. They obviously thrive on
starches. I don't get gas when I eat fruit or veggies.

[Msamson119]

Doc John wrote:
> intestine. The probiotics and healthy diet will re-establish
> the proper flora balance in his intestines.

Wait a sec, isn't there virtually no bacteria in the small
intestine?

http://www.biblelife.org/bowel.htm for IBS

[Msamson119]

Juhana Harju wrote:
> msamson11975@yahoo.ca wrote:
> : Doc John wrote:
>
> :: intestine. The probiotics and healthy diet will
> :: re-establish the proper flora balance in his intestines.
> :
> : Wait a sec, isn't there virtually no bacteria in the small
> : intestine?
>
> AFAIK, lactobacillus acidophilus is the beneficial bacteria
> that thrives in the small intestine. That can be enhanced by
> live yogurt and probiotics containing lactobacillus
> acidophilus.
>
> --
> Juhana

You may be right, but AFAIK both the stomach and small
intestine lack significant amount of bacteria due to gastric
acids....the colon OTOH is a different story.

[Msamson119]

Juhana Harju wrote:

> The bottom line is that it is not healthy to eat that much
> animal foods. But it is your life and your choice.

Bullshit. It's what humans have been eating for millions of
years and what we are designed to eat.

[monty1945]

I will leave all those who actually read this "troll's"
remarks to contemplate his flatulent musings. I, on the other
hand, am interested in a diet based upon the
biochemical/molecular-level evidence. If anyone wants to cite
a study and make a suggestion based upon it, you can go to my
web site and leave a message there:

http://groups.msn.com/TheScientificDebateForum-/

Otherwise, it's a waste of my time to deal with the shills and
the people who enjoy acting as if they are 8 years old here.
The only "silver lining" is that, unlike politics, those who
make the wrong decisions with respect to diet will suffer the
consequences themselves, in as personal a way possible.

[Msamson119]

Jim Chinnis wrote:

> A lot of folks seem to think our pre-agricultural ancestors
> ate filet mignon marbled with fats produced by sedentary
> animals eating corn and washed it down with milk from dairy
> cows who never see the sun and eat the most abnormal diets
> imaginable. But then, the animals have been bred over
> centuries to be different from the ones we evolved eating,
> so who knows? ;-)
> --
> Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA jchinnis@alum.mit.edu

Actually, milk has been a recent introduction to the diet with
agriculture so I don't know if people think that
pre-agriculture ancestors ate dairy.

Prehistoric man actually preferred the fatty mats and fat over
lean. Pemmican is also about 70-80% fat and the rest lean. I
find it hard to believe that they would go for all the leanest
meat instead of the fatty succulent cuts around the ribs, etc.

[Msamson119]

TP wrote:

>
> Absolutely true. I ate a typical carnivore diet and went one
> weekend, many years ago, to a weekend retreat where
> vegetarian only was served. I suffered from cramps day and
> night. I now eat a very vegie/bean diet and rarely a fart.

Probably because your body is so malnurished that is doesn't
even have the energy to fart.

http://www.beyondveg.com/

[Msamson119]

Juhana Harju wrote:

> Right. Also I am not so sure that our pre-agricultural
> ancestors were mostly meat eaters. Based on what I have read
> I think that they were more gatherer-hunters than
> hunter-gatherers. Today people have evolved to
> shopper-gatherers. No wonder people get fat.

Wrong. They heavily hunted and subsisted on animals as the
plenty of bones, tools, weapons, etc. in the caves can attest
to. In fact, they apparently hunted many animals to
extinction. How would they have gathered in the winter
months? I mean, for those not fortunate enough to hang around
the tropics.

Humans are primarily carnivores with the ability to digest
starches. The eskimos are proof of this.

[Msamson119]

Jim Chinnis wrote:

> I'm sure they often ate the organs as well. But the animals
> were different and the animal diets were different and the
> fats in the meat were different from what we have today. And
> you didn't drive to the supermarket to buy a steak; you had
> to track down a wild animal, kill it, skin it, etc. before
> you could eat.
> --
> Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA jchinnis@alum.mit.edu

Ofcourse they ate the organs! Do you realize how much vitamin
C a raw adrenal gland consists of? This is the first the the
eskimos do after a kill is eat a slice of it. The liver is
probably the most nutrient dense food on the planet.

Sure i'm not disagreeing that the animals and composition were
not different. But it didn't matter because they still
preferred and ate alot of the fat. It is what gave them
energy. Without carbs (during winter) they would have to
primarily live off of fat with some protein. And I do also
agree that there was alot of physical activity involved, but
this is why we should be exercising hard as well. They would
work hard, play hard, and rest hard.

[Msamson119]

Jim Chinnis wrote:

> ...and die young.

What's your point? And how do you know? What is known is
that they had the health and stature of modern day olympic
athletes. No heart disease, no cancer, no obesity, and no
cavities. Maybe they actually died old but their bodies were
in immaculate shape. Probably not though, and they died
young because of infectious diseases and trauma. It was a
tough life.

>
> The diseases and problems people now are trying to solve
> with nutrition never even entered into the equation.

Ofcourse they didn't. What do you expect when they didn't live
off of polyunsaturated fats and refined grains. IOW, they
didn't eat garbage for food. They ate nutritionally dense
foods which is exactly what I base my own diet on since it is
the way we were designed to eat. If more people ate a
traditional diet and treated their bodies (and lives) a little
better then we wouldn't even have a fraction of the "diseases
and problems" people are now trying to solve.

[Msamson119]

msamson11975@yahoo.ca wrote:
> TP wrote:
>
> >
> > Absolutely true. I ate a typical carnivore diet and went
> > one weekend, many years ago, to a weekend retreat where
> > vegetarian only was served. I suffered from cramps day and
> > night. I now eat a very vegie/bean diet and rarely a fart.
>
> Probably because your body is so malnurished that is doesn't
> even have the energy to fart.
>
> http://www.beyondveg.com/

Well maybe reading these sites (particularily the first 3)
combined with common sense will be more convincing. I know,
old myths are hard to shatter. Do yourself a favour and at
least entertain the thought of a traditional diet. It may
change your life...it sure did change mine. Cheers.

http://www.theomnivore.com/home.html
http://www.biblelife.org/myths.htm
http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/index.html
http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/
http://www.westonaprice.org/splash_2.htm
http://www.beyondveg.com/ http://www.thincs.org/

[Mr. Natura]

monty1945@lycos.com wrote:
> I will leave all those who actually read this "troll's"
> remarks to contemplate his flatulent musings. I, on the
> other hand, am interested in a diet based upon the
> biochemical/molecular-level evidence. If anyone wants to
> cite a study and make a suggestion based upon it, you can go
> to my web site and leave a message there:
>

You suffer from fatulence. You have said so time and time
again. And, your kooky diet is obviously eaten in a pathetic
attempt to prevent gas. You have stated for the record that
beans are hard to digest. But, I on the other hand, will now
eat a can of baked beans. Who is the 8 year old now? Look
mom, no gas!!!

Furthermore, from analyzing Monty's diet it is also very
obvious to me that he is suffering from a form of IBS caused
by an excess growth of bacterial in the small intestine.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=33365
http://www.ei-resource.org/articles/ibs-art06.asp

> http://groups.msn.com/TheScientificDebateForum-/
The best thing about your group, is that all the fatulence
kooks will be isolated from the smn kooks. Less chance of
your disease, uh ... mental pollution, from spreading to the
masses. Don't worry, if anybody inquires about the Kook
'known as Montgram', I will be sure to point them to your
anti-gas diet.

Also, this place is starting to smell better already.

Don't go away Mad, Monty, just go away. :)

[Tp]

"Juhana Harju" <shantigiriorama@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4fuqubF1j7ctiU1@individual.net...
> msamson11975@yahoo.ca wrote:

>
> It takes a while before the colon bacteria gets accustumed
> to a plant
based
> diet. Regular meat eaters have more unhealthy bacteroids in
> their colons while people with mostly plant based diets
> develope a colon bacteria that has more beneficial bifidus
> bacteria. When the colon bacteria has
accustomed
> to the change of diet there will be very little or no gas
> problems after eating beans or other plant foods.
>
> --
> Juhana
>
>

Absolutely true. I ate a typical carnivore diet and went one
weekend, many years ago, to a weekend retreat where vegetarian
only was served. I suffered from cramps day and night. I now
eat a very vegie/bean diet and rarely a fart.

[Juhana Har]

msamson11975@yahoo.ca wrote:
: Juhana Harju wrote:

:: It takes a while before the colon bacteria gets accustumed
:: to a plant based diet. Regular meat eaters have more
:: unhealthy bacteroids in their colons while people with
:: mostly plant based diets develope a colon bacteria that
:: has more beneficial bifidus bacteria. When the colon
:: bacteria has accustomed to the change of diet there will
:: be very little or no gas problems after eating beans or
:: other plant foods.
:
: I am a regular meat eater. Animal foods comprise about
: 60-70% of my diet and plant foods 30-40%. I never have
: flatuence problems. Are you saying because I eat meat
: regularily that I have unhealthy bacteroids? I do eat alot
: of produce and don't get gas unless I eat beans and grains,
: starches, etc.
:
: I think the bottom line is that the colon bacteria have
: a field day on starches. Beans or grains. Most of this
: shit goes heavily undigested and therefore equals big
: logs of shit.

The bottom line is that it is not healthy to eat that much
animal foods. But it is your life and your choice.

--
Juhana

[Juhana Har]

msamson11975@yahoo.ca wrote:
: Doc John wrote:

:: intestine. The probiotics and healthy diet will
:: re-establish the proper flora balance in his intestines.
:
: Wait a sec, isn't there virtually no bacteria in the small
: intestine?

AFAIK, lactobacillus acidophilus is the beneficial bacteria
that thrives in the small intestine. That can be enhanced by
live yogurt and probiotics containing lactobacillus
acidophilus.

--
Juhana

[Juhana Har]

msamson11975@yahoo.ca wrote:
: Juhana Harju wrote:
:
:: The bottom line is that it is not healthy to eat that much
:: animal foods. But it is your life and your choice.
:
: Bullshit. It's what humans have been eating for millions of
: years and what we are designed to eat.

You eat bullshit?

--
Juhana

[Juhana Har]

msamson11975@yahoo.ca wrote:
: Juhana Harju wrote:
:: msamson11975@yahoo.ca wrote:
::: Doc John wrote:
::
:::: intestine. The probiotics and healthy diet will
:::: re-establish the proper flora balance in his intestines.
:::
::: Wait a sec, isn't there virtually no bacteria in the small
::: intestine?
::
:: AFAIK, lactobacillus acidophilus is the beneficial bacteria
:: that thrives in the small intestine. That can be enhanced
:: by live yogurt and probiotics containing lactobacillus
:: acidophilus.
::
:: --
:: Juhana
:
: You may be right, but AFAIK both the stomach and small
: intestine lack significant amount of bacteria due to
: gastric acids

You may look at this Mayo Clinic information.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/lactobacillus/NS_patient-a-
cidophilus

--
Juhana

[Jim Chinni]

"Juhana Harju" <shantigiriorama@gmail.com> wrote in part:

>msamson11975@yahoo.ca wrote:
>: Juhana Harju wrote:
>:
>:: The bottom line is that it is not healthy to eat that much
>:: animal foods. But it is your life and your choice.
>:
>: Bullshit. It's what humans have been eating for millions of
>: years and what we are designed to eat.
>
>You eat bullshit?

Isn't it obvious?

A lot of folks seem to think our pre-agricultural ancestors
ate filet mignon marbled with fats produced by sedentary
animals eating corn and washed it down with milk from dairy
cows who never see the sun and eat the most abnormal diets
imaginable. But then, the animals have been bred over
centuries to be different from the ones we evolved eating, so
who knows? ;-)
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA jchinnis@alum.mit.edu

[Juhana Har]

Jim Chinnis wrote:
: "Juhana Harju" <shantigiriorama@gmail.com> wrote in part:
:: msamson11975@yahoo.ca wrote:
::: Juhana Harju wrote:
:::
:::: The bottom line is that it is not healthy to eat that
:::: much animal foods. But it is your life and your choice.
:::
::: Bullshit. It's what humans have been eating for millions
::: of years and what we are designed to eat.
::
:: You eat bullshit?
:
: Isn't it obvious?
:
: A lot of folks seem to think our pre-agricultural ancestors
: ate filet mignon marbled with fats produced by sedentary
: animals eating corn and washed it down with milk from dairy
: cows who never see the sun and eat the most abnormal diets
: imaginable. But then, the animals have been bred over
: centuries to be different from the ones we evolved eating,
: so who knows? ;-)

Right. Also I am not so sure that our pre-agricultural
ancestors were mostly meat eaters. Based on what I have read I
think that they were more gatherer-hunters than
hunter-gatherers. Today people have evolved to
shopper-gatherers. No wonder people get fat.

--
Juhana

[Jim Chinni]

"msamson11975@yahoo.ca" <msamson11975@yahoo.ca> wrote in part:

>
>Jim Chinnis wrote:
>
>> A lot of folks seem to think our pre-agricultural ancestors
>> ate filet mignon marbled with fats produced by sedentary
>> animals eating corn and washed it down with milk from dairy
>> cows who never see the sun and eat the most abnormal diets
>> imaginable. But then, the animals have been bred over
>> centuries to be different from the ones we evolved eating,
>> so who knows? ;-)
>> --
>> Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA jchinnis@alum.mit.edu
>
>Actually, milk has been a recent introduction to the diet
>with agriculture so I don't know if people think that
>pre-agriculture ancestors ate dairy.
>
>Prehistoric man actually preferred the fatty mats and fat
>over lean. Pemmican is also about 70-80% fat and the rest
>lean. I find it hard to believe that they would go for all
>the leanest meat instead of the fatty succulent cuts around
>the ribs, etc.

I'm sure they often ate the organs as well. But the animals
were different and the animal diets were different and the
fats in the meat were different from what we have today. And
you didn't drive to the supermarket to buy a steak; you had to
track down a wild animal, kill it, skin it, etc. before you
could eat.
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA jchinnis@alum.mit.edu

[Jim Chinni]

"msamson11975@yahoo.ca" <msamson11975@yahoo.ca> wrote in part:

>
>Jim Chinnis wrote:
>
>> I'm sure they often ate the organs as well. But the animals
>> were different and the animal diets were different and the
>> fats in the meat were different from what we have today.
>> And you didn't drive to the supermarket to buy a steak; you
>> had to track down a wild animal, kill it, skin it, etc.
>> before you could eat.
>> --
>> Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA jchinnis@alum.mit.edu
>
>Ofcourse they ate the organs! Do you realize how much vitamin
>C a raw adrenal gland consists of? This is the first the the
>eskimos do after a kill is eat a slice of it. The liver is
>probably the most nutrient dense food on the planet.
>
>Sure i'm not disagreeing that the animals and composition
>were not different. But it didn't matter because they still
>preferred and ate alot of the fat. It is what gave them
>energy. Without carbs (during winter) they would have to
>primarily live off of fat with some protein. And I do also
>agree that there was alot of physical activity involved, but
>this is why we should be exercising hard as well. They would
>work hard, play hard, and rest hard.

...and die young.

The diseases and problems people now are trying to solve with
nutrition never even entered into the equation.
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA jchinnis@alum.mit.edu

[Msamson119]

Jim Chinnis wrote:
> Let me be clearer: The fact that a high meat or whatever
> diet enabled our evolutionary forbears to reproduce and
> die healthy did nothing to build a genetic foundation for
> us to be healthy in our old age. In order to escape some
> nasty effects of our genetic makeup that Mother Nature
> doesn't give a
> #### about and that show up in late middle age or so for the
> #### most part, we
> may have to live in ways never used by our distant
> ancestors.
>

What in the world are you blabbering about? Our genetic makeup
is fine -- our diets are NOT. Fix the source of the problem
(diet) and you have a solution. Ofcourse there are other
problems of present day, but once again, you have to clean up
the source. It's really not that complicated. Stick to a
traditional diet instead on an artificial one. Get exercise
and sun instead of living like a hermit.

> The only way to find out is with research, not slavish
> adherence to a belief system centered on what we think
> worked during past eras.
> --

Research? Right, like all the research that's been done to
present day which has completely devestated the health of the
western world?

[Mr. Natura]

msamson11975@yahoo.ca wrote:
> What in the world are you blabbering about? Our genetic
> makeup is fine -- our diets are NOT. Fix the source of the
> problem (diet) and you have a solution. Ofcourse there are
> other problems of present day, but once again, you have to
> clean up the source. It's really not that complicated. Stick
> to a traditional diet instead on an artificial one. Get
> exercise and sun instead of living like a hermit.

Right! Everyone should eat plenty of beans and whole grains.

And, your leader Monty is on the record for eating a lot of
starchy potatoes. Would you like the link to his starch
recommendation?

[Msamson119]

Mr. Natural-Health wrote:

> Right! Everyone should eat plenty of beans and whole grains.
>

Dude, you just don't stop do ya!? :)

> And, your leader Monty is on the record for eating a lot of
> starchy potatoes. Would you like the link to his starch
> recommendation?

He's not my leader. That privelege belongs to Mr. Anthony
Colpo, TheOmnivore. I don't agree with Monty's diet much, but
I will give him some respect for his points on polyunsaturated
fats. He does make some valid points.

[Jim Chinni]

"msamson11975@yahoo.ca" <msamson11975@yahoo.ca> wrote in part:

>
>Jim Chinnis wrote:
>
>> ...and die young.
>
>What's your point? And how do you know? What is known is
>that they had the health and stature of modern day olympic
>athletes. No heart disease, no cancer, no obesity, and no
>cavities. Maybe they actually died old but their bodies were
>in immaculate shape. Probably not though, and they died
>young because of infectious diseases and trauma. It was a
>tough life.
>
>>
>> The diseases and problems people now are trying to solve
>> with nutrition never even entered into the equation.
>
>Ofcourse they didn't. What do you expect when they didn't
>live off of polyunsaturated fats and refined grains. IOW,
>they didn't eat garbage for food. They ate nutritionally
>dense foods which is exactly what I base my own diet on since
>it is the way we were designed to eat. If more people ate a
>traditional diet and treated their bodies (and lives) a
>little better then we wouldn't even have a fraction of the
>"diseases and problems" people are now trying to solve.

Let me be clearer: The fact that a high meat or whatever diet
enabled our evolutionary forbears to reproduce and die healthy
did nothing to build a genetic foundation for us to be healthy
in our old age. In order to escape some nasty effects of our
genetic makeup that Mother Nature doesn't give a
#### about and that show up in late middle age or so for the
#### most part, we
may have to live in ways never used by our distant ancestors.

The only way to find out is with research, not slavish
adherence to a belief system centered on what we think worked
during past eras.
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA

[Doc John]

msamson11975@yahoo.ca wrote:

> I don't agree with Monty's diet much, but I will give him
> some respect for his points on polyunsaturated fats. He does
> make some valid points.

His points on polyunsaturated fats are totally ludicrous
beyond belief. Criticisms of his viewpoints on polyunsaturated
fats on smn are over the place. Yet, Kooks like you just love
to gravitate towards his kooky ideas. The more kookier they
are the better.

You have my condolences, Kook.

[Msamson119]

Doc John wrote:
> msamson11975@yahoo.ca wrote:
>
> > I don't agree with Monty's diet much, but I will give him
> > some respect for his points on polyunsaturated fats. He
> > does make some valid points.
>
> His points on polyunsaturated fats are totally ludicrous
> beyond belief. Criticisms of his viewpoints on
> polyunsaturated fats on smn are over the place. Yet, Kooks
> like you just love to gravitate towards his kooky ideas. The
> more kookier they are the better.
>
> You have my condolences, Kook.

Thanks for the heads up...i'll do some more homework on smn. I
just like to keep an open mind as typically what is thought of
as the "truth" is more often than not the complete opposite.
Furthermore I have read other information that agrees with his
statements. Don't be so quick to dismiss. If his ideas were so
ludicrous than why does he stand so hard behind them? If you
provide counter evidence, wouldn't that make him swallow his
own words? I do recall him stating that he is waiting for
evidence and is offering a monetary reward or something along
those lines.

[Mr. Natura]

Doc John wrote:
> msamson11975@yahoo.ca wrote:
>
> His points on polyunsaturated fats are totally ludicrous
> beyond belief. Criticisms of his viewpoints on
> polyunsaturated fats on smn are all over the place. Yet,
> Kooks like you just love to gravitate towards his kooky
> ideas. The more kookier they are, the better the kooks
> like them.

[Mr. Natura]

Food Faddism is my behavioral research on the Kooks that
Inhabit SMN.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/faddism.html

It has been updated to recognize the fact that the original
published research on this topic was both anal and
anti-natural health.

[Msamson119]

Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
> Food Faddism is my behavioral research on the Kooks that
> Inhabit SMN.
> http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/faddism.html
>
> It has been updated to recognize the fact that the original
> published research on this topic was both anal and
> anti-natural health.

Link doesn't work.

[Doc John]

msamson11975@yahoo.ca wrote:
> Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
> > Food Faddism is my behavioral research on the Kooks that
> > Inhabit SMN.
> > http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/faddism.html
> >
> > It has been updated to recognize the fact that the
> > original published research on this topic was both anal
> > and anti-natural health.
>
> Link doesn't work.

Yes, it does. :)

But, you might have better results with this link. http://n-
aturalhealthperspective.com.hosting.domaindirect.com/food/f-
addism.html

Your ISP may be having temporary or permanent problems with my
server. Sometimes, a particular ISP may refuse to connect to a
particular web site for several weeks. Or, it might be due to
the fact that either your web browser and/or ISP has problems
with redirection and/or frames.

I will be moving my site, in a couple of months, to a new
server that does NOT use redirection.

[Msamson119]

Doc John wrote:

> I will be moving my site, in a couple of months, to a new
> server that does NOT use redirection.

That link worked. And it didn't take me very long to realize
that YOU are infact, the KOOK.