Eating like the Kook, called Montygram. :(

[Mr. Natura]

WARNING: Eating the following diet may seriously jeopardize
your health. Eat this crappy diet ONLY at your own risk.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/8f85cf7b-
7bf25fd7 "I eat a boiled egg each day, several ounces of raw
cheese, a cup or so of whole milk yogurt, and some ice cream
(without carrageenan, locust bean, guarr, carob, or other
stuff that shouldn't be there)."

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/8ffdae27-
f34f4c5c "I eat potatoes, a few carrots, string beans without
the beans, just to make a vegetable stew. I puree organic
canned corn for a sauce, and I use a few broccoli florets in
an Asian noodle dish, but aside from the potatoes, I don't eat
any of these in large amounts or regularly."

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/9741227f-
210a464b "I eat plenty of fat, plenty of sugar, and at 5' 9"
tall, I'm no more than 120 pounds, and I'm never hungry."

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/1d9164d6-
11e924bc "Now I eat a lot of fat, but it's got to be very
saturated (coconut, butter, dark chocolate, whole milk dairy).
No cooked meat, unless it's boiled, then you can mix it in a
pan with herbs, spices, sherry, butter, etc. on low heat."

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/c386f7ff-
afe5c818 "my advice is to avoid nuts, seeds, beans, and whole
grains entirely. I used to eat a lot of these foods, and I
almost died. Now I eat a lot of whole milk dairy, eggs, some
fruit, bread I bake with unbleached, organic white flour,
potatoes, dark chocolate, and coconut products."

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.diseases.osteoporosis/-
msg/7bb1e24741c264ab "I eat plenty of wheat now, but only the
easy-to-digest unbleached flour, often organic pastry flour,
and I never eat food that is difficult to digest, like beans."

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/89276468-
edae13f0 " I eat plenty of salt, in the form of Celtic sea
salt (have been now for over 3 years) and at 40, my blood
pressure is much lower than all of my friends and relatives,
usually around 95/70 (or lower). If you make your own food
from scratch, and use Celtic sea salt to taste, you will be
doing the healthiest thing possible, in terms of sodim
cholride consumption, at least."

[Mr. Natura]

> WARNING: Eating the following diet may seriously jeopardize
> your health. Eat this crappy diet ONLY at your own risk.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/8ffdae-
> 27f34f4c5c "I eat potatoes, ... But aside from the potatoes,
> I don't eat any of these in large amounts or regularly."

Yeah, ... potatoes should be the foundation of any diet???

Huh?

> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/974122-
> 7f210a464b "I eat plenty of fat, plenty of sugar, and at 5'
> 9" tall, I'm no more than 120 pounds, and I'm never hungry."

Yes, plenty of sugar should be the foundation of any diet?

Huh?

> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/c386f7-
> ffafe5c818 "my advice is to avoid nuts, seeds, ... and whole
> grains entirely.
...
> bread I bake with unbleached, organic white flour

Yes, organic white flour should be the basis of any diet? Just
be sure to avoid whole grains entirely.

Huh?

> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.diseases.osteoporos-
> is/msg/7bb1e24741c264ab "I eat plenty of wheat now, but
> only the easy-to-digest unbleached flour, often organic
> pastry flour,

Hear that, TC. White flour is great for you as long as it
is organic.

Huh?

> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/892764-
> 68edae13f0 " I eat plenty of salt,

So Monty advises everyone to eat plenty of salt?

Huh?

You have my condolences, Monty 'the Kook.'

[Jt]

On 20 Jun 2006 19:25:07 -0700, "Mr. Natural-Health"
<johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:

>WARNING: Eating the following diet may seriously jeopardize
>your health. Eat this crappy diet ONLY at your own risk.
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/8f85cf7-
>b7bf25fd7 "I eat a boiled egg each day, several ounces of raw
>cheese, a cup or so of whole milk yogurt, and some ice cream
>(without carrageenan, locust bean, guarr, carob, or other
>stuff that shouldn't be there)."
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/8ffdae2-
>7f34f4c5c "I eat potatoes, a few carrots, string beans
>without the beans, just to make a vegetable stew. I puree
>organic canned corn for a sauce, and I use a few broccoli
>florets in an Asian noodle dish, but aside from the potatoes,
>I don't eat any of these in large amounts or regularly."
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/9741227-
>f210a464b "I eat plenty of fat, plenty of sugar, and at 5' 9"
>tall, I'm no more than 120 pounds, and I'm never hungry."
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/1d916-
>4d611e924bc "Now I eat a lot of fat, but it's got to be
>very saturated (coconut, butter, dark chocolate, whole milk
>dairy). No cooked meat, unless it's boiled, then you can
>mix it in a pan with herbs, spices, sherry, butter, etc. on
>low heat."
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/c386f7f-
>fafe5c818 "my advice is to avoid nuts, seeds, beans, and
>whole grains entirely. I used to eat a lot of these foods,
>and I almost died. Now I eat a lot of whole milk dairy, eggs,
>some fruit, bread I bake with unbleached, organic white
>flour, potatoes, dark chocolate, and coconut products."
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.diseases.osteoporosi-
>s/msg/7bb1e24741c264ab "I eat plenty of wheat now, but only
>the easy-to-digest unbleached flour, often organic pastry
>flour, and I never eat food that is difficult to digest,
>like beans."
>
Like cocoa beans?

>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/8927646-
>8edae13f0 " I eat plenty of salt, in the form of Celtic sea
>salt (have been now for over 3 years) and at 40, my blood
>pressure is much lower than all of my friends and relatives,
>usually around 95/70 (or lower). If you make your own food
>from scratch, and use Celtic sea salt to taste, you will be
>doing the healthiest thing possible, in terms of sodim
>cholride consumption, at least."

[Mr. Natura]

jt wrote:
> On 20 Jun 2006 19:25:07 -0700, "Mr. Natural-Health"
> <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:
>
> >WARNING: Eating the following diet may seriously jeopardize
> >your health. Eat this crappy diet ONLY at your own risk.
> >
> >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/8f85c-
> >f7b7bf25fd7 "I eat a boiled egg each day, several ounces of
> >raw cheese, a cup or so of whole milk yogurt, and some ice
> >cream (without carrageenan, locust bean, guarr, carob, or
> >other stuff that shouldn't be there)."
> >
> >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/8ffda-
> >e27f34f4c5c "I eat potatoes, a few carrots, string beans
> >without the beans, just to make a vegetable stew. I puree
> >organic canned corn for a sauce, and I use a few broccoli
> >florets in an Asian noodle dish, but aside from the
> >potatoes, I don't eat any of these in large amounts or
> >regularly."
> >
> >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/97412-
> >27f210a464b "I eat plenty of fat, plenty of sugar, and at
> >5' 9" tall, I'm no more than 120 pounds, and I'm never
> >hungry."
> >
> >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/1d916-
> >4d611e924bc "Now I eat a lot of fat, but it's got to be
> >very saturated (coconut, butter, dark chocolate, whole milk
> >dairy). No cooked meat, unless it's boiled, then you can
> >mix it in a pan with herbs, spices, sherry, butter, etc. on
> >low heat."
> >
> >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/c386f-
> >7ffafe5c818 "my advice is to avoid nuts, seeds, beans, and
> >whole grains entirely. I used to eat a lot of these foods,
> >and I almost died. Now I eat a lot of whole milk dairy,
> >eggs, some fruit, bread I bake with unbleached, organic
> >white flour, potatoes, dark chocolate, and coconut
> >products."
> >
> >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.diseases.osteoporos-
> >is/msg/7bb1e24741c264ab "I eat plenty of wheat now, but
> >only the easy-to-digest unbleached flour, often organic
> >pastry flour, and I never eat food that is difficult to
> >digest, like beans."
> >
> Like cocoa beans?

Ha, ... Hah, Ha! His beloved chocolate is made from a bean. :)

Beans as in Legumes are stored dried as a seed. Unlike grains,
NORMAL people soak beans overnight in order to soften them.
Fully cooked beans are soft as butter and practically melt in
your mouth. There is absolutely nothing hard to digest about
either beans or nuts.

The dude is probably against flatulence, because he has
refused to accept the fact that he has a physical body just
like a dog does. :(

But, from looking at the above horror story it is obvious that
this Kook called Monty eats EXACTLY the opposite of what most
NORMAL people would call a healthy diet.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/whole-grains.html
--
John Gohde, Achieving good Nutrition is an Art, NOT a Science!

The nutrition of eating a healthy diet is a biological factor
of the mind-body connection. Now, weighing in at 18 web pages,
the Nutrition of a Healthy Diet is with more documentation and
sharper terminology than ever before.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/

[Msamson119]

Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
> Beans as in Legumes are stored dried as a seed. Unlike
> grains, NORMAL people soak beans overnight in order to
> soften them. Fully cooked beans are soft as butter and
> practically melt in your mouth. There is absolutely nothing
> hard to digest about either beans or nuts.

Actually yes there is. Soaked or not, beans are extremely
difficult to digest. I am not sure if it's because of its
sugars (I think beans are about 50% carb and 50% protein -- a
tough combination). Lots of people can't digest them and get
gas. Probably because we are not designed to eat them. Nuts
aren't much different. Maybe I don't chew them enough, but I
always see them in my excrement (yes I look).

I too see some contradictions in Monty's statements,
specifically re: whole grains and then eating corn and white
flour. I can see his points and eat a similar diet, but with
lots of meat and eggs. I disagree with his statements that
sugar is good/safe and same with corn, potatoes, bread, etc.
But overall, his comments about oxidation are quite
interesting.

Pretty hilarious post by the way!

[Ron Peters]

msamson11975@yahoo.ca wrote:

> Actually yes there is. Soaked or not, beans are extremely
> difficult to digest. I am not sure if it's because of its
> sugars (I think beans are about 50% carb and 50% protein
> -- a tough combination). Lots of people can't digest them
> and get gas. Probably because we are not designed to eat
> them. ...

Beans have a sugar called raffinose that isn't absorbed and is
then fed on bacteria in the intestines causing gas. The amount
of raffinose can be decreased by either hulling the beans,
discarding the soaking water, or fermenting the beans.

--
Ron

[Tc]

Ron Peterson wrote:
> msamson11975@yahoo.ca wrote:
>
> > Actually yes there is. Soaked or not, beans are extremely
> > difficult to digest. I am not sure if it's because of its
> > sugars (I think beans are about 50% carb and 50% protein
> > -- a tough combination). Lots of people can't digest them
> > and get gas. Probably because we are not designed to eat
> > them. ...
>
> Beans have a sugar called raffinose that isn't absorbed
> and is then fed on bacteria in the intestines causing
> gas. The amount of raffinose can be decreased by either
> hulling the beans, discarding the soaking water, or
> fermenting the beans.
>
> --
> Ron

Or not eating them. There is nothing in beans that we can't
get as easily from other better choices of fresh produce. And
beans are carb dense, no matter how you look at it, they are
too carb dense.

TC

[Msamson119]

TC wrote:

> Or not eating them. There is nothing in beans that we can't
> get as easily from other better choices of fresh produce.
> And beans are carb dense, no matter how you look at it, they
> are too carb dense.
>
> TC

I completely agree. I think that beans are like the only food
in nature that is pretty close to 1/2 carb and 1/2 protein.
Plus, aren't they toxic if eaten raw?

[Mr. Natura]

Ron Peterson wrote:
> msamson11975@yahoo.ca wrote:
>
> > Actually yes there is. Soaked or not, beans are extremely
> > difficult to digest. I am not sure if it's because of its
> > sugars (I think beans are about 50% carb and 50% protein
> > -- a tough combination). Lots of people can't digest them
> > and get gas. Probably because we are not designed to eat
> > them. ...
>
> Beans have a sugar called raffinose that isn't absorbed
> and is then fed on bacteria in the intestines causing
> gas. The amount of raffinose can be decreased by either
> hulling the beans, discarding the soaking water, or
> fermenting the beans.

I think I will eat some bake beans?

Umh ... Yummy.

Surrounded by Kooks to both the left and right of me. Yet, I
will be here tomorrow poking more fun at Kooks.

Cheers ...

[Ron Peters]

Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
> Ron Peterson wrote:

> > Beans have a sugar called raffinose that isn't absorbed
> > and is then fed on bacteria in the intestines causing gas.
> > The amount of raffinose can be decreased by either hulling
> > the beans, discarding the soaking water, or fermenting the
> > beans.

> I think I will eat some bake beans?

> Umh ... Yummy.

> Surrounded by Kooks to both the left and right of me. Yet, I
> will be here tomorrow poking more fun at Kooks.

It's not clear who you're poking fun at. I eat several
types of beans, a little gas doesn't bother me. Beans (the
musical fruit) are full of protein and low in saturated fat
and high in fiber.

--
Ron

[Msamson119]

tomorrow poking more fun at Kooks.
>
> It's not clear who you're poking fun at. I eat several types
> of beans, a little gas doesn't bother me. Beans (the musical
> fruit) are full of protein and low in saturated fat and high
> in fiber.
>
> --
> Ron

He's referring to Monty, myself, and the other poster. I don't
eat beans because I don't think humans are designed to digest
them. I also eat a high fat/low carb diet so what the F do I
know right? I prefer not to put my digestive system through
the torture of beans. I'll stick with meat and produce.

[Mr. Natura]

Ron Peterson wrote:
> Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
> > Ron Peterson wrote:
>
> > > Beans have a sugar called raffinose that isn't absorbed
> > > and is then fed on bacteria in the intestines causing
> > > gas. The amount of raffinose can be decreased by either
> > > hulling the beans, discarding the soaking water, or
> > > fermenting the beans.
>
> > I think I will eat some bake beans?
>
> > Umh ... Yummy.
>
> > Surrounded by Kooks to both the left and right of me. Yet,
> > I will be here tomorrow poking more fun at Kooks.
>
> It's not clear who you're poking fun at. I eat several types
> of beans, a little gas doesn't bother me. Beans (the musical
> fruit) are full of protein and low in saturated fat and high
> in fiber.

No one, of course.

I was simply conducting more behavioral research, and in part
thanks to you I was able to update my published research on
the 'Kooks that inhabit smn.' Are you a Kook, Twit, Geek, or
Quack Ron?

To the other Kooks on smn whining abut beans, you got IBS. Doc
John explains in detail on another THREAD.

Just thought that you might want to know.

[Msamson119]

Mr. Natural-Health wrote:

> To the other Kooks on smn whining abut beans, you got IBS.
> Doc John explains in detail on another THREAD.

No, i've got IBS because of fucking beans.

[Ron Peters]

Mr. Natural-Health wrote:

> ... Are you a Kook, Twit, Geek, or Quack Ron?

I eat meat, beans, vegetables, milk, whold grain bread and
pasta, and fruit. I take an omega 3 supplement and moderate
amounts of vitamins and minerals such as zinc, selenium,
calcium, vitamin C, B vitamins, vitamin E, Vitamin D, and
vitamin K. I try to keep my intake of trans-fats and saturated
fats down.

I get in a little over 5 hours of bicyling a week, but should
do more exercising.

I don't advocate any particular type of diet, being skeptical
of those that are highly touted.

I believe in following the scientific method, which for
nutrition needs to identify those things that are harmful and
those things that are beeficial.

So, am I missing out on knowing something I should know?

--
Ron

[Mr. Natura]

msamson11975@yahoo.ca wrote:
> Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
>
> > To the other Kooks on smn whining abut beans, you got IBS.
> > Doc John explains in detail on another THREAD.
>
> No, i've got IBS because of fucking beans.

Doctors know best. You need to get your IBS treated before you
turn into Montygram, Jr.

Your flatulence phobia has my condolences. May I suggest
Bean'O?

http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/faddism.html I rather
think that Doc John will revise this page, jet again. :)

[Mr. Natura]

Ron Peterson wrote:
> Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
>
> > ... Are you a Kook, Twit, Geek, or Quack Ron?
>
> I eat meat, beans, vegetables, milk, whold grain bread and
> pasta, and fruit. I take an omega 3 supplement and moderate
> amounts of vitamins and minerals such as zinc, selenium,
> calcium, vitamin C, B vitamins, vitamin E, Vitamin D, and
> vitamin K. I try to keep my intake of trans-fats and
> saturated fats down.
>
> I get in a little over 5 hours of bicyling a week, but
> should do more exercising.
>
> I don't advocate any particular type of diet, being
> skeptical of those that are highly touted.
>
> I believe in following the scientific method, which for
> nutrition needs to identify those things that are harmful
> and those things that are beeficial.
>
> So, am I missing out on knowing something I should know?

You appear to be a man without a country, Ron.

You have my condolences.

[Mr. Natura]

Juhana Harju wrote:

> Nuts are among the healthiest foods one can consume.
> http://vanderbiltowc.wellsource.com/dh/content.asp?ID=560

But, only if you chew before swollening them!!!

How does one see chewed up almonds in their stool? I have NOT
a clue. Maybe that is why I am NOT a kook?

[Juhana Har]

msamson11975@yahoo.ca wrote:
: Mr. Natural-Health wrote:

:: Beans as in Legumes are stored dried as a seed. Unlike
:: grains, NORMAL people soak beans overnight in order to
:: soften them. Fully cooked beans are soft as butter and
:: practically melt in your mouth. There is absolutely nothing
:: hard to digest about either beans or nuts.
:
: Actually yes there is. Soaked or not, beans are extremely
: difficult to digest. I am not sure if it's because of its
: sugars (I think beans are about 50% carb and 50% protein --
: a tough combination). Lots of people can't digest them and
: get gas. Probably because we are not designed to eat them.

If we were not designed to eat them why are they associated
with longevity?

Asia Pac J Clin Nutr. 2004;13(2):217-20. Legumes: the most
important dietary predictor of survival in older people of
different ethnicities. Darmadi-Blackberry I, Wahlqvist ML,
Kouris-Blazos A, Steen B, Lukito W, Horie Y, Horie K. Public
Health Division, National Ageing Research Institute,
Melbourne, Australia.

To identify protective dietary predictors amongst long-lived
elderly people (N= 785), the "Food Habits in Later Life
"(FHILL) study was undertaken among five cohorts in Japan,
Sweden, Greece and Australia. Between 1988 and 1991, baseline
data on food intakes were collected. There were 785
participants aged 70 and over that were followed up to seven
years. Based on an alternative Cox Proportional Hazard model
adjusted to age at enrollment (in 5-year intervals), gender
and smoking, the legume food group showed 7-8% reduction in
mortality hazard ratio for every 20g increase in daily intake
with or without controlling for ethnicity (RR 0.92; 95% CI
0.85-0.99 and RR .93; 95% CI 0.87-0.99, respectively). Other
food groups were not found to be consistently significant in
predicting survival amongst the FHILL cohorts. PMID: 15228991

http://tinyurl.com/gbdx9

: Nuts aren't much different. Maybe I don't chew them enough,
: but I always see them in my excrement (yes I look).

Nuts are among the healthiest foods one can consume.

http://vanderbiltowc.wellsource.com/dh/content.asp?ID=560

--
Juhana

[Msamson119]

Juhana Harju wrote:
> Nuts are among the healthiest foods one can consume.
>

If by one of the healthiest you mean one of the most
allergenic that can kill, then I agree. Let's not also forget
their extremely high polyunsaturated omega 6 content and the
fact that they go rancid extremely quickly.

[Msamson119]

Mr. Natural-Health wrote:

> Doctors know best. You need to get your IBS treated before
> you turn into Montygram, Jr.
>
> Your flatulence phobia has my condolences. May I
> suggest Bean'O?
>
> http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/faddism.html I
> rather think that Doc John will revise this page, jet
> again. :)

http://www.biblelife.org/bowel.htm

[Msamson119]

Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
> Juhana Harju wrote:
>
> > Nuts are among the healthiest foods one can consume.
> > http://vanderbiltowc.wellsource.com/dh/content.asp?ID=560
>
> But, only if you chew before swollening them!!!
>
> How does one see chewed up almonds in their stool? I have
> NOT a clue. Maybe that is why I am NOT a kook?

No, but you are a fool. Nuts consist of enzyme inhibitors and
anti-nutrients. Perhaps if they are soaked and roasted they
might digest a little better. But then again roasted would
oxidize the oils and quickly make them rancid. Chew all you
want, they go straight through you.

[Mr. Natura]

WARNING: Eating the following diet may seriously jeopardize
your health. Eat this crappy diet ONLY at your own risk.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/2214068fa6b9cfa4?h-
l=en& "I, ..., am interested in a diet based upon the
biochemical/molecular-level evidence."

Ooooh! You are still suffering from IBS, Monty!

Just thought that you might want to know.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/8f85cf7b-
7bf25fd7 "I eat a boiled egg each day, several ounces of raw
cheese, a cup or so of whole milk yogurt, and some ice cream
(without carrageenan, locust bean, guarr, carob, or other
stuff that shouldn't be there)."

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/8ffdae27-
f34f4c5c "I eat potatoes, a few carrots, string beans without
the beans, just to make a vegetable stew. I puree organic
canned corn for a sauce, and I use a few broccoli florets in
an Asian noodle dish, but aside from the potatoes, I don't eat
any of these in large amounts or regularly."

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/9741227f-
210a464b "I eat plenty of fat, plenty of sugar, and at 5' 9"
tall, I'm no more than 120 pounds, and I'm never hungry."

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/1d9164d6-
11e924bc "Now I eat a lot of fat, but it's got to be very
saturated (coconut, butter, dark chocolate, whole milk dairy).
No cooked meat, unless it's boiled, then you can mix it in a
pan with herbs, spices, sherry, butter, etc. on low heat."

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/c386f7ff-
afe5c818 "my advice is to avoid nuts, seeds, beans, and whole
grains entirely. I used to eat a lot of these foods, and I
almost died. Now I eat a lot of whole milk dairy, eggs, some
fruit, bread I bake with unbleached, organic white flour,
potatoes, dark chocolate, and coconut products."

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.diseases.osteoporosis/-
msg/7bb1e24741c264ab "I eat plenty of wheat now, but only the
easy-to-digest unbleached flour, often organic pastry flour,
and I never eat food that is difficult to digest, like beans."

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/89276468-
edae13f0 " I eat plenty of salt, in the form of Celtic sea
salt (have been now for over 3 years) and at 40, my blood
pressure is much lower than all of my friends and relatives,
usually around 95/70 (or lower). If you make your own food
from scratch, and use Celtic sea salt to taste, you will be
doing the healthiest thing possible, in terms of sodim
cholride consumption, at least."