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fluffybear
Fri, Jun-16-06, 07:12
I thought this was a little "over the top." For the life of me I don't understand the philosophy of being kind to something you are about to kill and eat!

Whole Foods bans sale of live lobsters
By LIZ AUSTIN, Associated Press WriterThu Jun 15, 7:55 PM ET



Customers craving fresh crustaceans will have to look beyond Whole Foods Market Inc. after the natural-foods grocery chain decided Thursday to stop selling live lobsters and crabs on the grounds that it's inhumane.

The Austin-based grocer spent seven months studying the sale of live lobsters from ship to supermarket aisle, trying to determine whether the creatures suffer along the way.

In some stores, they experimented with "lobster condos," filling tanks with stacks of large pipes the critters can crawl inside. And they moved the tanks behind seafood counters and away from children's tapping fingers.

Ultimately, Whole Foods management decided to immediately stop selling live lobsters and soft-shell crabs, saying they could not ensure the creatures are treated with respect and compassion.

"We place as much emphasis on the importance of humane treatment and quality of life for all animals as we do on the expectations for quality and flavor," John Mackey, Whole Foods' co-founder and chief executive, said in a statement.

Animal rights activities were thrilled with the decision, not just because of the way lobsters are harvested, shipped and stored but because of the fate that awaits many of them — being dropped alive into a pot of boiling water.

"The ways that lobsters are treated would warrant felony cruelty to animals charges if they were dogs or cats," said Bruce Friedrich, a spokesman for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.

In making its decision, Whole Foods pointed to a November report from the European Food Safety Authority Animal Health and Welfare panel that it said concluded all decapod crustaceans, including lobsters and crabs, appear to have some degree of awareness, feel pain and can learn.

But other scientists and seafood industry officials said Thursday that lobsters have such primitive insect-like nervous systems they don't even have brains and can't experience pain the way animals and humans do.

For example, lobsters can shed a claw that's stuck between two rocks and move on like nothing happened, said Diane Cowan, a marine biologist who studies lobster behavior in Maine.

"They certainly have a nervous system and respond to external stimuli, but whether you can call it pain I don't know," Cowan said.

About 183 million pounds of lobster are caught each year in the United States and Canada, and about 25 percent of that is sold live, according to the Lobster Institute at the University of Maine.

"People who want lobster will have lobster," said Bill Adler, executive director of the Massachusetts Lobstermen's Association. "If this particular chain does not want to serve it, people will go elsewhere."

From now on, Whole Foods will only sell frozen raw and cooked lobster products at its more than 180 stores in the United States, Canada and the United Kingdom, said Margaret Wittenberg, vice president of quality standards. And the chain will only deal with suppliers meeting their standards for humane treatment, handling and processing.

Whole Foods leaders will reconsider the decision if they see evidence that it's possible to ensure lobsters and crabs are treated humanely throughout the supply chain, she said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060615/ap_on_bi_ge/live_lobsters&printer=1;_ylt=ArJD1tXGpBVRdxa05AEDXKRv24cA;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE-

Dodger
Fri, Jun-16-06, 07:51
I hope Whole Foods is as kind to the other arthropods, such as insects and arachnids.

Nancy LC
Fri, Jun-16-06, 10:55
*sigh* Such nonsense. Do they think they suffer less if they're killed en masse and delivered DOA?

fluffybear
Fri, Jun-16-06, 10:58
*sigh* Such nonsense. Do they think they suffer less if they're killed en masse and delivered DOA?

PETA would probably intervene and try to give all those crustacians CPR. LOL

eryalen
Fri, Jun-16-06, 16:28
The most humane way to cook lobster (or shrimps, clams, etc.) is to put them in a cold steamer and then apply the heat. As soon as the heat starts to build, they go into a torpor and pass out. They don't usually even move.

eryalen
Fri, Jun-16-06, 16:49
[QUOTE=fluffybear]I thought this was a little "over the top." For the life of me I don't understand the philosophy of being kind to something you are about to kill and eat!

I don't think there is any need to make any of God's creatures suffer. If you have to take a life to survive, do it in the most humane way possible.

Lobstergal
Fri, Jun-16-06, 20:02
They can send all thier live lobsters to me. My dad, my oldest son and I won't have a problem cooking and eating them. :)

Uliana
Fri, Jun-16-06, 22:57
Isn't there some way to knock them out before they die? I seem to remember putting vinegar in the water before bringing it to a boil. I too, think animals should be killed in a humane way as possible before you eat them. Heck, I don't even believe in hunting just to kill something. If ya kill it, ya eat it. (Except for insects & arachnids! :eek: Those, I just kill.)

fluffybear
Sat, Jun-17-06, 15:50
[QUOTE=fluffybear]I thought this was a little "over the top." For the life of me I don't understand the philosophy of being kind to something you are about to kill and eat!

I don't think there is any need to make any of God's creatures suffer. If you have to take a life to survive, do it in the most humane way possible.


Any animal that dies suffers, unless you are suggesting we kill them by lethal injection. Do you eat meat? If you do, then you are participating in their "suffering." If you don't then what religion do you follow? The priests in the temple in the Old Testament slaughtered all kinds of animals every day for sacrifices. While lobsters may have gotten off easy because they were considered "unclean" by the laws of Moses, many other animals including cute little doves were slaughtered daily in the temple. Most of the meat wasn't even eaten, but burnt up as sacrifices to GOD. According to the Old Testament, that practice was ordained by God himself.

Lobstergal
Sat, Jun-17-06, 16:23
Isn't there some way to knock them out before they die?

I was watching 'Take Home Chef' last night on TLC and he put the lobster into the freezer for an hour before putting it in to the pot. The cold of the freezer renders them unconcious but they are still alive.
Then you put them head first right from the freezer into a pot of boiling water.

My relatives are from the Maritimes and we just skip the freezer part.

potatofree
Sat, Jun-17-06, 22:44
*sigh* Such nonsense. Do they think they suffer less if they're killed en masse and delivered DOA?

No, but it would let people pretend they weren't ever alive. We like to be removed a bit from all the business of making live things into food. For some people, seeing the lobsters in the tank or dropping into that boiling water would be like having a herd of angus outside the restaurant window and watching them butcher the one you choose... :help:

Having participated in the butchering of countless chickens, as well as the cleaning of a good number of fish, I guess I can say I'd rather not be so up close and personal with my food if I can avoid it. ;)

fluffybear
Sun, Jun-18-06, 09:02
Having participated in the butchering of countless chickens, as well as the cleaning of a good number of fish, I guess I can say I'd rather not be so up close and personal with my food if I can avoid it. ;)

I feel the opposite way. It is not that I "enjoy" the slaughtering process. I just see it as a neccessary fact of life.

whitewolfm
Sun, Jun-18-06, 09:26
To be fair, I got bored reading the first post.. so I didn't finish it. But here are my thoughts.

I think the freshest live food is best to eat. All the better if you can kill it yourself. If you can't kill it, you should really ask yourself if you should be eating it. (I don't kill my food, but I believe in taking responsibility for your actions).

I think 'humane killing' is the best choice as well. e.g. in the case of cows, or any animal that is dying in a state of fear/panic...they release hormones which are not good to eat.

And lastly, I think when we take life to support our own, we should be grateful. We should show gratitude for the sacrifice. I personally like the Native American attitude of 'living with the earth.' You take what you need, and no more.

peraverde
Sun, Jun-18-06, 17:44
I personally like the Native American attitude of 'living with the earth.' You take what you need, and no more.

Me too. :thup: