Too much cardio?

[Jl]

Is it possible to do too much cardio when trying to lose
weight?

I'm 31, 6' and 225 lbs. My goal is to get down to 190 by doing
cardio, a few weights, and following the zone diet and around
1800-2000 calories a day. I eat 5 small meals, drink a ton of
water, and have a cheat meal once a week, on my off day from
running. This approach has worked for me in the past when I
went from 260 down to 205. Now I'm back up to 225 and want to
get the weight back down.

Anyway, I'm jogging first thing in the morning for 20-25
minutes, six days a week. My goal is to build up to 30 minutes
each day by adding 10% more time each week. My avg HR is in
the high 160s during my runs.

Three nights a week I'm doing a few weights - Sunday is
pushups, incline flys, upright rows and shoulder shrugs.
Tuesday is curls and triceps. Thursday is squats, deadlifts,
and lunges. All of these are with pretty low weight, 3 sets of
10 reps. I'm not trying to bulk, just maintain.

I'm having mixed results my overall weight - it's dropping,
but very slowly, less than 2 lbs per week. I'm wondering if I
need to A: drop a day of running so my body has more time to
recover or B: run slower and longer, keeping my avg HR in the
150s during my runs. Or C: lift more often, and at higher
intensity.

Any advice would be appreciated!

Matt

[Larry Hodg]

"JL" <jotrocks@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1144681243.023363.116190@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Is it possible to do too much cardio when trying to
> lose weight?
>
> I'm 31, 6' and 225 lbs. My goal is to get down to 190 by
> doing cardio, a few weights, and following the zone diet and
> around 1800-2000 calories a day. I eat 5 small meals, drink
> a ton of water, and have a cheat meal once a week, on my off
> day from running. This approach has worked for me in the
> past when I went from 260 down to 205. Now I'm back up to
> 225 and want to get the weight back down.
>
> Anyway, I'm jogging first thing in the morning for 20-25
> minutes, six days a week. My goal is to build up to 30
> minutes each day by adding 10% more time each week. My avg
> HR is in the high 160s during my runs.
>
> Three nights a week I'm doing a few weights - Sunday is
> pushups, incline flys, upright rows and shoulder shrugs.
> Tuesday is curls and triceps. Thursday is squats, deadlifts,
> and lunges. All of these are with pretty low weight, 3 sets
> of 10 reps. I'm not trying to bulk, just maintain.
>
> I'm having mixed results my overall weight - it's dropping,
> but very slowly, less than 2 lbs per week. I'm wondering if
> I need to A: drop a day of running so my body has more time
> to recover or B: run slower and longer, keeping my avg HR in
> the 150s during my runs. Or C: lift more often, and at
> higher intensity.
>
> Any advice would be appreciated!
>
> Matt

First off, if you're set on running (which is my guess), there
are running newsgroups that would be better suited for your
questions.

Second, your mistake is using running for weight loss and
control. But you most likely don't want to hear what we would
have to say, so I'll save my time telling you. Good luck with
that roller coaster thing.

-Larry

[Bigskinnyg]

On 10 Apr 2006 08:00:43 -0700, "JL"
<jotrocks@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>I'm having mixed results my overall weight - it's dropping,
>but very slowly, less than 2 lbs per week. I'm wondering if I
>need to A: drop a day of running so my body has more time to
>recover or B: run slower and longer, keeping my avg HR in the
>150s during my runs. Or C: lift more often, and at higher
>intensity.

For weight loss an hour a day is minimum. You will lose weight
with less, but an hour a day of running is optimum.

[Savanfort]

Lots of hodge-podge even in the well intended advices.

You have to realize that cardio is for improving/maintaining
your cardio-vascular system. Only past timers think aerobic
type exercises are for weight loss but what they really
understand is fat loss. In reality the weight loss from cardio
is actually muscle loss.

Aerobic type exercises = fast burning = loss of muscle Slow
burning = fat burning = loss of grease

Do not go back to dinosaur age, and accept all untrue gym
myths like "no pain no gain" stupidity. (Pain, that is lactose
accumulation in the muscles rather inhibiting muscle activity
than signal of muscle growth)

Want loosing fat, make slow, fat burning cycles in your
exercise like power swimming. Search in Google "slow burning
exercises" if you want to consider applying up to date
methods. And first and foremost do not want to loose weight.
Loose rather fat. That is transform fat to muscle!!! And as a
secondary benefit, improved muscle mass helps to burn even
more fat. Do not use the scale, use the waist measuring
ribbon. 1/16" - 1/8" -
1/4" loss a week can be achieved depending on brain power,
genetics, and diligence.

"JL" <jotrocks@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1144681243.023363.116190@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Is it possible to do too much cardio when trying to
> lose weight?
>
> I'm 31, 6' and 225 lbs. My goal is to get down to 190 by
> doing cardio, a few weights, and following the zone diet and
> around 1800-2000 calories a day. I eat 5 small meals, drink
> a ton of water, and have a cheat meal once a week, on my off
> day from running. This approach has worked for me in the
> past when I went from 260 down to 205. Now I'm back up to
> 225 and want to get the weight back down.
>
> Anyway, I'm jogging first thing in the morning for 20-25
> minutes, six days a week. My goal is to build up to 30
> minutes each day by adding 10% more time each week. My avg
> HR is in the high 160s during my runs.
>
> Three nights a week I'm doing a few weights - Sunday is
> pushups, incline flys, upright rows and shoulder shrugs.
> Tuesday is curls and triceps. Thursday is squats, deadlifts,
> and lunges. All of these are with pretty low weight, 3 sets
> of 10 reps. I'm not trying to bulk, just maintain.
>
> I'm having mixed results my overall weight - it's dropping,
> but very slowly, less than 2 lbs per week. I'm wondering if
> I need to A: drop a day of running so my body has more time
> to recover or B: run slower and longer, keeping my avg HR in
> the 150s during my runs. Or C: lift more often, and at
> higher intensity.
>
> Any advice would be appreciated!
>
> Matt

[Larry Hodg]

<Bigskinnyguy@weighwo.com> wrote in message
news:p7vk32d09en9943jqm5i7as24p5fp69e0m@4ax.com...
> On 10 Apr 2006 08:00:43 -0700, "JL"
> <jotrocks@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>I'm having mixed results my overall weight - it's dropping,
>>but very slowly, less than 2 lbs per week. I'm wondering if
>>I need to A: drop a day of running so my body has more time
>>to recover or B: run slower and longer, keeping my avg HR in
>>the 150s during my runs. Or C: lift more often, and at
>>higher intensity.
>
> For weight loss an hour a day is minimum. You will lose
> weight with less, but an hour a day of running is optimum.

You are so fucking stupid regarding health and nutrition, it
boggles my mind.

[Stephen N.]

savanfort wrote:
> Want loosing fat, make slow, fat burning cycles in your
> exercise like power swimming.

Swimming has been shown in numerous studies to be one of the
least effective exercises for fat loss. Some of the studies
have noted that swimming in cool water increases appetite to
greater degree than other exercises for a given expenditure
of calories. Increased appetite usually translates into
eating more.

Not that I have anything against swimming. I go through
periods where I swim 5+ times per week but not for fat loss.

Stephen N.

[Ranieri]

"Stephen N." <Steelystephen@coldmail.com> wrote in message
news:BMx_f.18766$4S.8361@edtnps82...
> savanfort wrote:
>> Want loosing fat, make slow, fat burning cycles in your
>> exercise like power swimming.
>
>
> Swimming has been shown in numerous studies to be one of the
> least effective exercises for fat loss. Some of the studies
> have noted that swimming in cool water increases appetite to
> greater degree than other exercises for a given expenditure
> of calories. Increased appetite usually translates into
> eating more.
>
> Not that I have anything against swimming. I go through
> periods where I swim 5+ times per week but not for fat loss.
>

Indeed. There's an adaptative advantage to carrying some
subcutaneous fat if you spend a lot of time in chilly water.

[Mindboggle]

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:15:27 -0700, "Larry Hodges"
<2larry2@2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote:

>You are so fucking stupid regarding health and nutrition, it
>boggles my mind.

If only you had one, if only you had one....

[Stephen N.]

Ranieri wrote:

> "Stephen N." <Steelystephen@coldmail.com> wrote in message
> news:BMx_f.18766$4S.8361@edtnps82...
>
>>savanfort wrote:
>>
>>>Want loosing fat, make slow, fat burning cycles in your
>>>exercise like power swimming.
>>
>>
>>Swimming has been shown in numerous studies to be one of the
>>least effective exercises for fat loss. Some of the studies
>>have noted that swimming in cool water increases appetite to
>>greater degree than other exercises for a given expenditure
>>of calories. Increased appetite usually translates into
>>eating more.
>>
>>Not that I have anything against swimming. I go through
>>periods where I swim 5+ times per week but not for fat loss.
>>
>
>
> Indeed. There's an adaptative advantage to carrying some
> subcutaneous fat if you spend a lot of time in chilly water.

Yep, and fatter people float better. I know some amazing open
ocean swimmers that are more than a little round. The fat
helps with floatation and insulation in the chilly local
northwest waters.

Normally, I have to keep swimming or I sink but I spent two
months in on the Mediterranean last fall and I could not
believe how well I floated. I could stand up straight, without
moving a muscle and my entire head would be above water. Must
be a hell of a lot more salty than around these parts.

Stephen N.

[leenarose]

For diet recommendation in case of any disease you can use
this link.. http://www.medical-health-care-information.com/

In this you can find Food Pyramid i.e. how much you should
eat, calorie table from which you can find the total amount of
calories in you food, anyone can check there Body Mass Index
(BMI), if you are suffering from any problem then you can
check out symptoms in Symptom checker and many more
information are available in this website.

I also found a link containing full information regarding
weight loss. It contain tips that may help you lose weight and
keep it off. like diet plan, fibers, meals exercise etc
necessary to lose weight. Just check out the link;-
http://www.epsdrugstore.com/weight-loss.htm

[leenarose]

For diet recommendation in case of any disease you can use
this link.. http://www.medical-health-care-information.com/

In this you can find Food Pyramid i.e. how much you should
eat, calorie table from which you can find the total amount of
calories in you food, anyone can check there Body Mass Index
(BMI), if you are suffering from any problem then you can
check out symptoms in Symptom checker and many more
information are available in this website.

I also found a link containing full information regarding
weight loss. It contain tips that may help you lose weight and
keep it off. like diet plan, fibers, meals exercise etc
necessary to lose weight. Just check out the link;-
http://www.epsdrugstore.com/weight-loss.htm

[leenarose]

For diet recommendation in case of any disease you can use
this link.. http://www.medical-health-care-information.com/

In this you can find Food Pyramid i.e. how much you should
eat, calorie table from which you can find the total amount of
calories in you food, anyone can check there Body Mass Index
(BMI), if you are suffering from any problem then you can
check out symptoms in Symptom checker and many more
information are available in this website.

I also found a link containing full information regarding
weight loss. It contain tips that may help you lose weight and
keep it off. like diet plan, fibers, meals exercise etc
necessary to lose weight. Just check out the link;-
http://www.epsdrugstore.com/weight-loss.htm

[leenarose]

For diet recommendation in case of any disease you can use
this link.. http://www.medical-health-care-information.com/

In this you can find Food Pyramid i.e. how much you should
eat, calorie table from which you can find the total amount of
calories in you food, anyone can check there Body Mass Index
(BMI), if you are suffering from any problem then you can
check out symptoms in Symptom checker and many more
information are available in this website.

I also found a link containing full information regarding
weight loss. It contain tips that may help you lose weight and
keep it off. like diet plan, fibers, meals exercise etc
necessary to lose weight. Just check out the link;-
http://www.epsdrugstore.com/weight-loss.htm

[Savanfort]

Fat man bathing in cold (ocean) water and slow burning cycle
is somewhat different to me. Like whales compared to swimming
athletes. The example was well chosen, even in that sport
possible to achieve fat transformation to muscle. Of course,
who never did it could not imagine it. And all of the stupid
assholes who do not know what does it mean power swimming
start to speak some cold water phenomena because it rings some
bell in their twisted mind.

"savanfort" <savanfort@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Cvx_f.23023$wL5.488166@weber.videotron.net...
> Lots of hodge-podge even in the well intended advices.
>
> You have to realize that cardio is for improving/maintaining
> your cardio-vascular system. Only past timers think aerobic
> type exercises are for weight loss but what they really
> understand is fat loss. In reality the weight loss from
> cardio is actually muscle loss.
>
> Aerobic type exercises = fast burning = loss of muscle Slow
> burning = fat burning = loss of grease
>
> Do not go back to dinosaur age, and accept all untrue gym
> myths like "no pain no gain" stupidity. (Pain, that is
> lactose accumulation in the muscles rather inhibiting muscle
> activity than signal of muscle growth)
>
> Want loosing fat, make slow, fat burning cycles in your
> exercise like power swimming. Search in Google "slow burning
> exercises" if you want to consider applying up to date
> methods. And first and foremost do not want to loose weight.
> Loose rather fat. That is transform fat to muscle!!! And as
> a secondary benefit, improved muscle mass helps to burn even
> more fat. Do not use the scale, use the waist measuring
> ribbon. 1/16" - 1/8" -
> 1/4" loss a week can be achieved depending on brain power,
> genetics, and diligence.
>
> "JL" <jotrocks@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:114468124-
> 3.023363.116190@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> Is it possible to do too much cardio when trying to lose
>> weight?
>>
>> I'm 31, 6' and 225 lbs. My goal is to get down to 190 by
>> doing cardio, a few weights, and following the zone diet
>> and around 1800-2000 calories a day. I eat 5 small meals,
>> drink a ton of water, and have a cheat meal once a week, on
>> my off day from running. This approach has worked for me in
>> the past when I went from 260 down to 205. Now I'm back up
>> to 225 and want to get the weight back down.
>>
>> Anyway, I'm jogging first thing in the morning for 20-25
>> minutes, six days a week. My goal is to build up to 30
>> minutes each day by adding 10% more time each week. My avg
>> HR is in the high 160s during my runs.
>>
>> Three nights a week I'm doing a few weights - Sunday is
>> pushups, incline flys, upright rows and shoulder shrugs.
>> Tuesday is curls and triceps. Thursday is squats,
>> deadlifts, and lunges. All of these are with pretty low
>> weight, 3 sets of 10 reps. I'm not trying to bulk, just
>> maintain.
>>
>> I'm having mixed results my overall weight - it's dropping,
>> but very slowly, less than 2 lbs per week. I'm wondering if
>> I need to A: drop a day of running so my body has more time
>> to recover or B: run slower and longer, keeping my avg HR
>> in the 150s during my runs. Or C: lift more often, and at
>> higher intensity.
>>
>> Any advice would be appreciated!
>>
>> Matt
>

[Jmw]

"Stephen N." <Steelystephen@coldmail.com> wrote:

>Ranieri wrote:
>
>> "Stephen N." <Steelystephen@coldmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:BMx_f.18766$4S.8361@edtnps82...
>>
>>>savanfort wrote:
>>>
>>>>Want loosing fat, make slow, fat burning cycles in your
>>>>exercise like power swimming.
>>>
>>>
>>>Swimming has been shown in numerous studies to be one of
>>>the least effective exercises for fat loss. Some of the
>>>studies have noted that swimming in cool water increases
>>>appetite to greater degree than other exercises for a given
>>>expenditure of calories. Increased appetite usually
>>>translates into eating more.
>>>
>>>Not that I have anything against swimming. I go
>>>through periods where I swim 5+ times per week but not
>>>for fat loss.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Indeed. There's an adaptative advantage to carrying
>> some subcutaneous fat if you spend a lot of time in
>> chilly water.
>
>Yep, and fatter people float better. I know some amazing open
>ocean swimmers that are more than a little round. The fat
>helps with floatation and insulation in the chilly local
>northwest waters.

It's more than just insulation. Leptin expression from the
adipose tissue improves cold tolerance. Really.

[Brahma]

"Or C: lift more often, and at higher intensity."

You can lose the cardio altogether:

http://bodybuilding.home.insightbb.com/trainingarticles/arthu-
rjonesaerobics/index.htm
http://www.mikementzer.com/aerobic.html

[healthy1]

On 11 Apr 2006 02:46:34 -0700, leenarose@gmail.com wrote:

>For diet recommendation in case of any disease you can use
>this link.. http://www.medical-health-care-information.com/

Oh yeah, this works. My buddy had lung cancer, AIDS,
hepatitis, uromysitisis, genital warts, multiple sclerosis,
muscular dystrophy, and ADD, and 15 minutes after going on
this diet, everything was cured.

[Ranieri]

"savanfort" <savanfort@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:h7I_f.30541$wL5.672249@weber.videotron.net...
> Fat man bathing in cold (ocean) water and slow burning cycle
> is somewhat different to me. Like whales compared to
> swimming athletes. The example was well chosen, even in that
> sport possible to achieve fat transformation to muscle.

Keep talking, dumbass! You're a great source of amusement.