very young children on LC??

[suzyjam]

My husband and I have been low-carbing for about 3 months now and totally feel better, healthier etc etc and want this for our children. My daugher is 3 1/2 and my son just turned 1. As we live in NZ we don't have the books available to us that are out there about LCing and children so I thought I'd ask if anyone had any info to pass on. As they are children I know they do need carbs for energy (and they sure are energetic kids) but how much?? We slowly substituted white bread for whole grain and rye and they are okay with that, but they still have Weetbix, Rice Bubbles or Cornflakes for breakfast and either some bread/pasta/rice with their lunch and dinner. So far we haven't limited fruit or anything like that - all we have done is cut out anything more processed than fishfingers...
Ummm, help! I'd hate to accidently harm my kids by trying to get them to eat better!
Suzy

[Carrie25]

Because that same question runs through my mind daily!

(Obviously, I don't know the answer)

[LCer in NW]

It is quite likely that your children have not developed an unhealthy cycle of eating too much for their daily energy usage. This means that the body is still well tuned. In the first 2 to 3 years, a child should actually look chubby, and then lose their baby fat. After that, a child should look healthy and thin while eating foods that supply nutrition in correct quantities. Moderate to high carb is ok for them because they use so much more. What isn't good for them is routinely high quantities of refined sugars, in substitution for nutritious calories. Help them appreciate moderate amounts of complex carbohydrates combined with meats and other sources of essential fatty acids, and their bodies will not go out of tune and they won't have compulsions about food.

If a child (over age 4) already demonstrates obesity, they already are in need of corrective measures. By all means, let's get them what they need, and that is LC, cutting down the refined carbos, finding the highest amount of complex carbs they can stand and trimming them while building up their self esteem. It isn't about fault, you know, it's about love. You love them, and you'd do anything for them. They'll live to thank you.

A VERY IMPORTANT POINT - If you cannot legislate the increase in water consumption that will guarantee their ability to flush out byproducts of ketosis, then you ought not to put the child on a strict low carb diet. Noone needs a child with kidney failure.

[KarenB]

My daughter, who will be 5 in April, shows a strong preference for all the high-carb things she really doesn't need. Up until recently I was even supplying them for her--what was I thinking!!??? It just struck me the other day, she could well wind up where I was as a child--overweight, unhappy, the outcast at school. If I can prevent that from happening, I will.

She LOVES her Chicken McNuggets, but she doesn't care for fries. That's good, IMO. She also LOVES the chicken Caesar salad with ranch! This is also good. It's the sweet tooth I'll have to combat most with her--the ice cream, cookies, candy. We don't buy a lot of candy, but my roommate (who can't seem to decide whether he wants to get healthier or not--he makes half-baked attempts to go LC but then "gives himself permission" to go back to the Guinness and pizza on the weekends) is always bringing home ice cream, pizza bites, bagel bites, White Castle cheeseburgers... all kinds of junk food.

I really want to save Kelley the heartache I endured as a child from the age of about 5 on up. She's almost there now. I guess I don't really have a question, but I'd like to hear how some of you other parents are working this. It's not about control, it's about *love*. She's the only one I have, y'know?

[LCer in NW]

Yeah, I know. Our only child (daughter) just turned 5. She likes fries but doesn't like potatoes. huh? We have never allowed her to go whole hog on sugars, and so far she has not exhibited tendencies toward being overweight. Most of her food is carbs, and most of her carbs are complex. We don't frequent bargain burger establishments and don't do alot of preformed foods like fish sticks or pizza pockets. If left alone, she would pick fresh blueberries and strawberries, and sometimes eat them with yogurt.

In a non confrontive way, gradually wean your daughter off sugary treats by providing 100% juice popsicles, apples, oranges (mandarin are especially sweet), then toward lower carb fruits like blueberries and strawberries, and help her transition to nuts and vegetables. Help her develop an appreciation of as many sorts of food as possible.

You might have to have a talk with SO about how you are going to guide your daughter.

I hope some others will chime in as well about what they do and how.

[lcon109]

The Hellers do have "The Carbohydrate Addicted Kids" book. If you have access to Ebay, you might be able to snag a copy there!

Lisa

[KarenB]

LCer, thanks so much. It's encouraging to hear from someone with a child as young as mine. I think if I start *now* we can get her on the healthy track.

Lisa, I'll have to check that book out! Sounds like preventive maintenance, sort of. :D

[Angela_NZ]

Suzyjam,
Hi, I live in Christchurch too! I don't have kids yet, but our first is due end of September, and I plan to raise he or she in low(ish) carb fashion. I was a huge sugar addict, so don't want my children suffering the same way I did.
You're right about the lack of low carb books available here, but the public libraries have a few. I seem to recal Protein Power Lifeplan has some info about how children can lowcarb, and is an extremely informative book to boot. If you find it too technical there are summaries at the end of each chapter.
go to http://www.library.christchurch.org.nz/ and look in their catalogue for which library it's in.
I hope this helps
Angela

[Nellie]

I really worry about my 7yo. I see the same obsessiveness about food in her that I see in me. She is overweight and can eat and eat! She would down 3 PB&J sandwiches if I let her. She is very active, loves to jumprope and play outside. She WANTS to do my diet (well, today anyway). I think I may allow some fresh fruit and milk in her diet, but cut out sugar and flour and see what happens. People are starting to call her "fat girl", she is only in first grade! I was a "fat Girl" too and it's just breaking my heart!
Today for breakfast she had 3 scrambled eggs and a slice of american cheese melted in, and loved it! Water to drink, she can drink a quart of juice at one sitting, hard to stop!
For lunch I packed some ham slices, 2 cheese sticks, some sunflower seeds and a small apple, she will get plain milk to drink there. She loves all these things, so she was happy with her lunch.

I think I'll make up some splenda sweetened Jello and whipped cream for dessert tonight.

Do you think I should weigh her on the scale? I don't know if I want to focus so much on weight.

Abby is such a beautifull child, she is tall, fair-skinned, blonde hair and daddy's blue eyes. I want her to feel good about herself, I've attached a picture of her I took at Easter.

Nellie

[Rey]

Hello ...

I am not an expert on this, but I want to warn you people ... DON'T PRESSURE YOUR KIDS TO DIET!!!!

Here's why ...

I always had a weight problem. I was a fat baby, fat todler, fat in school, college ... and still is fat - 214 lbs. (Although I just lost 50 lbs ... again.)

Since the day my child was born I tried to get her not to be overweight. If the doctor said she was to have 50 ml of milk, 50 ml was what she got, no more ... even when she screamed for more. And that was the pattern throughout her whole life.

She is now 15 ... beautiful face (there is a photo of her in my journal), but weighs 202 lbs. Due to my "stupidity", she started to eat fast. It was as if she couldn't get enough food in her body fast enough. I sometimes think it was because I always "underfed" her ... for example - taking the bottle away while she was still happily sucking.

AND ... she started to eat secretly and she would lie about what she ate. She still does. It doesn't matter how many times I tell her it isn't necessary to keep it a secret ... it has no effect.

She was brought up between my mother, my sister and I (as I was young - 21 - and unmarried at the time) and unfortunately they did the same as I - trying too hard to make her eat sensibly and forbidding her certain foods. I feel so sorry for her. :(

We took her to Weigh Less with us (like Weight Watchers) and during those periods we watched her and made comments when she ate something she wasn't supposed to. Sometimes it was just a look we gave her ... but still ... I could see her cringe ...

Then a year ago I stopped all efforts. I forbid my entire family to pressure her into any diet or make her feel guilty for eating. But ... the damage is done. I just pray that she will eventually follow a LC lifestyle when she is grown-up. At the moment it is close to impossible. She lives with my sister, her husband and her 2 young kids (7 and 10) and they are on a very strict budget and again ... it will be enforced, which I don't want.

If you like ... cook LC meals for your kids ... or follow the advise of Dr Atkins ... but no pressure. Please.

For more info ... http://atkinscenter.com/dev/helpatkins/faqs/faqchild/index.html

I also read on his site that for kids under 12 it is better to eat foods low on the Dietary Glycemic Index, instead of doing Atkins. Right now I can't find the link, but do a search on the Atkins site. It has merit.

Good luck to you all.
Rey

[Nellie]

I'm not pressuring her to diet, she has seen me lose weight and wants to join me. We had a long talk about how "I" feel on a high carb diet and she says she always feels hungry, even after a big lunch. She helps me make her meals, and I make sure she is ok with what she is getting. She is very smart for her age and understands what carbohydrates are and which are "good" and which can be "bad".

[Rey]

Hi ... :)

I didn't think you put pressure on her. I just wanted to share my story. I feel so guilty. And I hope the links are useful.

Regards
Rey

[LCer in NW]

Nellie - that girl is not fat. It aint so. She is not a useless twig, either. Very healthy from my perspective. She is picking food in an informed way and enjoys just what her body was supposed to enjoy.

And, don't bother with the scale unless she is interested. If she learns to listen to her body, she won't have to try to figure it out later. Stress the way she feels, alert, less hungry, etc. This will help her pick future meals.

[Lisa N]

There is also a book on the market called "Sugar Busters For Kids" and a companion cookbook as well. I haven't bought it yet, but I did page through it at the store and it looks promising. Lots of kid-friendly recipes that let them feel like they're having a treat without all the sugar. While I wouldn't recommend putting a very young child on a low carb diet, I would highly recommend cutting out most of the refined sugars, junk foods, fast foods and highly processed foods. Most of these contain very little nutrition for the calories that they provide. What they DO provide is lots of stuff that kids don't need, like trans fats, sugars, preservatives and dyes. I have two extremes at my house with my two daughters. One is 10-15 lbs heavier than she should be for her age and is already getting teased about being "fat"; she's 7 1/2 and weighs 75 lbs. She's also tall for her age, so it's not as bad as it sounds. My other daughter, who is 6 1/2, is very petite for her age (both height and weight) and gets teased for being small. I buy her "slim" sizes and she still needs a belt to hold them up. Just goes to show you...kids will tease no matter which end of the spectrum you fall into (big or small).

[Nellie]

Thanks all! Lisa, My daughter is 7 1/2 too! But she weighs almost 90 pounds. She is tall for her age and is big boned like me. But she is a bit on the heavy side. She has rolls. I'm trying to transition my family into healthier eating. Just small steps, like I'm not buying sugary kid cereals any more. I buy Wheaties and sprinkle Splenda on it. I'm buying whole wheat bread, natural peanut butter, moving away from hydrogenated oils and sugary desserts. I made some yogurt the other day with whole milk. It truned out great! But got really runny after I added some pureed strawberries (they don't like big slimy lumps of fruit) and some splenda, so I poured it into cups and let them drink it as a "shake". They loved it! Then I made some frozen pops with the leftovers. The strawberries are just fantastic this year! I have some that are sooo sweet they don't need sugar!

The kids haven't really noticed the changes, and for the most part are ok with them. My husband is balking a bit. But hey! I'm in charge of the food, unless he wants to hire a cook! ;)

Nellie

[Boogie65]

Hi everyone

I have 2 small kids (Emily just 4 today, and Tom almost 6). I'm trying to educate them against too much sugary stuff (which they seem to understand) and I restrict their sweetie intake but not too rigidly or they'll get a complex I'm sure.

They do eat cereals for breakfast but I don't buy the really sugar / chocolate coated ones and it does make me a bit made that these cereal manufacturers seem to go out of their way to put as much sugar and chocolate on the cereals especially aimed at kids!

I don't really keep potatoes in the house anymore and they don't complain about that, but they do get rice occasionally, but usually they're just happy to eat the meat and veg (with tomato sauce of course but I buy the reduced sugar version).

We do have the odd McDonalds, coated chicken shapes & potato waffles but try to limit those too.

They love seeds, nuts or cheese for snacks (crisps too of course!) which is good.

I think basically I just try to give them a lower carb diet than a low carb diet (no weight loss needed) so they'll still have lots of energy to burn but hopefully their bodies will still benefit from having less carbs.

Chrissy
www.sugarlite.co.uk

[smore]

I agree with you, Ive also donr the same..sure they have Mc donalds once in a while..But dont we all have treats..but IM the same..my kids eat READYBREAK for breakfast and a WHOLE wheat bread with luch..dinner is low carb and lean.
My kids have eaten this way since I started Atkind 8 weeks ago..(MInd you they ate well before too but more carbs)
I find my kids easier to get along with..not as cranky..So IM happy..were all happy LOL :wave:
Ive been on Diets for years..this being the only one I could actually stick with..but My family calls Atkins an eating plan..no more Diet for me..My "GIRLS" are 5-8. Very impressionable...and I want them to have a positive body image. Their mam may be LG but I eat well and am active. I want them to know..no matter your size we are all people and the world is a better place because of our differences.
Cheers,
Smore

[Elihnig]

Thanks to Doreen, I found an excellent website by Barry Groves, and there is a section on diet for children.

Diet for Children (http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/diet_for_children.html)

I found it to be a great read.

Beth

[clodagh]

Hi all

I was reading the posts, and I think it's a very good idea to transition (sneakily) kids towards wholegrain bread, etc and cut out those awful sugary drinks.
When I have my kids, that;s what I'll be doing.

I just wanted to say that I was a fat child, fat teenager, fat adult. Growing up, my mother constantly reffered to my weight and would say things like, ' you can't have any of the cake, but your sister can, as she is thin'.

My mother has high cholesterol, and she talked about it all the time.

I used to do terrible things like, get up at 5am and sneak downstairs to get biscuits, etc. I used to rob money from my brother and siter's money boxes ( just small amounts like 10 pence) to buy sweets on the way to school.

I just couldn't eat enough food. Instead of finding out why I was overeating, my parents just shouted at me.

Is it any wonder I have such as bad attitude to food?!

Anyway, the point is that's best not to draw attention to overweight, types of food etc to Children.

the junk food fuel / junk gas in the car example in one of the earlier post is a very good idea I reckon!!!!

Clodagh

[LCer in NW]

Treating sugary or starchy foods as something "good people" are entitled to, and "the others" (who are obviously "bad") cannot have is very bad policy. It is much preferred to state the obvious about the quick satisfying taste of those foods and their result of making you feel hungry versus the still tasty low carb foods that sustain your strength and don't cause the rabid hunger cycle. Good people rely on food and use food properly, regardless of their weight or size. Alot of good people have been convinced they are bad.

My daughter, now 5 yrs old, knows that sugary stuff, and candy are extras and not considered food, because they do not do anything for the body. It is good to stress the needlessness of highly refined carbs, as this empasizes that "good" and "bad" bodies alike get nothing of lasting value from them.

[Scarlet]

Nellie

Your child is completely beautiful! She looks like a little doll.

Regards diets I know that having chronic hunger is real suffering so feeding her a low sugar low GI good protein diet sounds great for her wellbeing and future health.

Good Luck!