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Tc
Wed, Mar-08-06, 17:16
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-cattle08.html

March 8, 2006

BY JANET RAUSA FULLER Staff Reporter Advertisement


A hamburger doesn't usually come to mind when you think of
health food, but a study suggests that a burger made from
grass-fed beef has its merits.

Meat from grass-fed cattle is consistently lower in total fat
and higher in so-called good fats thought to protect against
certain diseases than conventional beef, a study released
Tuesday in Chicago by the Union of Concerned Scientists found.

The study, which reviewed the findings of 25 previous studies,
is the first comprehensive analysis of fat levels in grass-fed
and grain-fed beef and milk.

The study found that grass-fed beef generally had higher
amounts of three types of omega-3 fatty acids believed to
reduce the risk of heart disease: alpha-linoleic acid, or ALA,
found in plant foods; eicosapentaenoic acid, or EPA, and
docosahexaenoic acid, or DHA, found in fish.

Milk from grass-fed cattle had higher levels of ALA and
another fatty acid called conjugated linoleic acid, or CLA,
which some studies have shown protects against cancer, the
study found.

Grass-fed beef doesn't have nearly the amount of omega-3 fatty
acids found in, say, salmon. On average, there are 35
milligrams of EPA and DHA in one serving of grass-fed beef
versus 1,400 milligrams in a serving of wild salmon,
researchers say.

But, they say, grass-fed beef is still a better choice than
beef from cattle raised in feedlots, which often are given
antibiotics and hormones to fight disease and grow bigger.

The beef most Americans consume comes from cows that mature in
a feedlot, eating corn and other grains, until slaughter -- a
cycle of between 14 and 16 months. By contrast, the average
life span of a grass-fed cow is between 20 and 26 months.

Broadcaster on the bandwagon

Though "grass-fed" conjures up images of cows grazing only on
grass, a cow raised on grass but "finished" on grain may also
be considered grass-fed. That's because there is no legal
definition of "grass-fed."

Chefs already on the grass-fed bandwagon include Michael
Altenberg of Bistro Campagne in Lincoln Square and Sarah
Stegner of Prairie Grass Cafe in Northbrook.

Stegner uses beef raised on the Kansas ranch of Chicago
broadcaster Bill Kurtis, who got into the grass-fed cattle
market about five years ago.

**********

TC

Enrico C
Wed, Mar-08-06, 17:16
On 8 Mar 2006 09:50:16 -0800, TC wrote in
<news:1141840216.650535.302500@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
on sci.med.nutrition :

> cattle raised in feedlots, which often are given antibiotics
> and hormones to fight disease and grow bigger.

BTW, there are different approaches to the "hormones in meat"
issue in the EU and in the USA.

===
http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20020105/bob13.asp [...]
Since 1988, concerns about the potential health risks of drug
residues has led the EU to ban importation of the meat of
hormone-treated animals. The United States and Canada, which
produce such meat, have vigorously fought the ban through both
punitive tariffs on various imports from Europe and appeals to
the World Trade Organization. [...]

Max C.
Wed, Mar-08-06, 17:16
That's discouraging. Rather than do the right thing, the US
sorporations are trying to do what they does best... get their
way with threats and lawsuits.

I sure hope the EU doesn't give in. It'll mean better food
products for all of us.

Max.

Mr-Natural
Wed, Mar-08-06, 17:16
Free range cattle are expensive to eat.

Who cares if they are good for you? I like lobster too, but it
is simply to too expensive to eat all the time.

Just thought that you might want to remove your head from
your Arse.

Max C.
Wed, Mar-08-06, 17:16
You gotta love a purely scientific post. "Whole foods cost
more, so just keep buying those cheap grain-filled foods and
spending all your money on medical bills."

The logic is almost Spock-like. :)

Mr-Natural
Wed, Mar-08-06, 17:16
Max C. wrote:
> You gotta love a purely scientific post. "Whole foods cost
> more, so just keep buying those cheap grain-filled foods and
> spending all your money on medical bills."
>
> The logic is almost Spock-like. :)

Let me clarify it for the mentally challenged on this ng.

Free Range Beef costs a hell of a lot more than Corn Feed Beef
that you can buy from Wal-Mart. :)

The common denominator in all this nonsense is Weston A.
Price, DDS. So, I am going to write a web page on him. And, I
will eventually read his book: _Nutrition and Physical
Degeneration_. In any event, that page will generate a lot of
hits to my web site. It will probably make it to the top 10
web pages on my website in about one month.

Since my life has been plagued by dental problems Weston
Price's comments are somewhat interesting. But, somehow they
still seem way too simplistic. Regardless of what Price did or
did NOT say. I am sure that your interpretation is totally
Quacked. :)

Just thought that you might want to know. :)

Max C.
Wed, Mar-08-06, 17:16
My interpretation of his book is *exactly* the same as 95% of
the rest of those who have read it, which is "eat as
naturally as possible, and eat foods grown as naturally as
possible." Since there are literally dozens, if not hundreds
of links on the Weston Price web site (www.westonaprice.org)
showing scientifically proven reasons for following such a
diet, I don't feel the need to post those links here.
However, I will go over a couple of the most important
implications of such a diet.

#1 - You avoid refined foods, thus increasing nutrient
#density in the
foods you eat.
#2 - You avoid trans fats, and I think the reasoning there
#is obvious
to all in this group
#3 - You level out the omega 3 to omega 6 fatty acid
#ratio, which
should be close to 1:1, when eating properly fed animal foods.
Improperly fed beef can have a ratio of 1:19 and eggs from
improperly fed chickens can have a ratio as high as 1:40.
#4 - You increase intake of beneficial probiotics
#because of the
fermented foods.
#5 - You increase your intake of trace elements, which
#are almost
completely absent in factory farmed foods. Prime examples are
the Wulzen and "X" factors found *only* in grass-fed cow milk.

The bottom line is that you are more than welcome to spend
less money on food, but you will almost ALWAYS spend more
money on health care, be it medical visits, tooth fillings,
braces, dentures, glasses, you name
it. I can personally verify the idea that the teeth are a
window into a person's health. Since switching to a
Price-based diet 6 years ago, I have not had a single
cavity. My dentist is even starting to ask questions.
My eye sight has also slightly improved during that
time. It had been getting worse and worse since my
teens. Obviously I can't prove that the change in diet
did that, but the notion is certainly supported by
Price's research.

I highly encourage you to read Dr. Price's book. You may find
that you change your mind about grains. I did.

Just thought that you might want to know. :)

Max C.
Thu, Mar-09-06, 06:16
Oh, by the way, I'd probably want to read his book BEFORE you
write a page on him. There are thousands of people online
already familiar with Dr. Price and his work. If you write a
page about him and get something wrong, it will certainly
discredit the rest of your site.

Just thought that you might want to know. ;)

Mr-Natural
Thu, Mar-09-06, 17:16
Max C. wrote:

> I highly encourage you to read Dr. Price's book. You may
> find that you change your mind about grains. I did.

I wrote my web page on Joseph Pilates before I read his two
booklets. I was 100% correct about him and did NOT have to
correct anything on that web page.

I am convinced that I wont. I will certainly go for the
Okinawa Diet before I will ever adopt a 70% fat diet.

I recently bought _The Okinawa Program_ book from Goodwill
for a $1.65. I will also be writing a web page on that
longevity diet.

Tc
Thu, Mar-09-06, 17:16
Mr-Natural-Health wrote:
> Max C. wrote:
>
> > I highly encourage you to read Dr. Price's book. You may
> > find that you change your mind about grains. I did.
>
> I wrote my web page on Joseph Pilates before I read his two
> booklets. I was 100% correct about him and did NOT have to
> correct anything on that web page.
>
> I am convinced that I wont. I will certainly go for the
> Okinawa Diet before I will ever adopt a 70% fat diet.
>
> I recently bought _The Okinawa Program_ book from Goodwill
> for a $1.65. I will also be writing a web page on that
> longevity diet.

I remember reading a book about parachuting without a
parachute. It is supposed to be exhiliarating and very healthy
for the mind.

Try it out and let me know how it goes, I'll then send you the
book to read.

TC

Max C.
Thu, Mar-09-06, 17:16
I see. You get all of your info from "booklets" rather than
doing your own research. How quaint.

The Okinawa Program is based mainly on observation, and much
of it is not even observation of the centenarians being touted
by the book. Interviews with actual Okinawan centenarians
reveals that they eat at LOT of pork. In fact, there's a
saying in Okinawa that goes "Use everything but the oink."
They fry much of their food in lard. You won't find that in
"The Okinawa Program."

Mr-Natural
Thu, Mar-09-06, 17:16
Max C. wrote:
> I see. You get all of your info from "booklets" rather than
> doing your own research. How quaint.
>
> The Okinawa Program is based mainly on observation, and much
> of it is not even observation of the centenarians being
> touted by the book. Interviews with actual Okinawan
> centenarians reveals that they eat at LOT of pork. In fact,
> there's a saying in Okinawa that goes "Use everything but
> the oink." They fry much of their food in lard. You won't
> find that in "The Okinawa Program."

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

Maybe if your repeat your lies often enough people will start
believing them?

Isn't that what Adolf Hitler said?

You have my condolences.

Rene
Thu, Mar-09-06, 17:16
"Mr-Natural-Health" <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com>
wrote in message
news:1141941581.522334.55200@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> Max C. wrote:
>
>> I highly encourage you to read Dr. Price's book. You may
>> find that you change your mind about grains. I did.
>
> I wrote my web page on Joseph Pilates before I read his two
> booklets. I was 100% correct about him and did NOT have to
> correct anything on that web page.
>
> I am convinced that I wont. I will certainly go for the
> Okinawa Diet before I will ever adopt a 70% fat diet.
>
> I recently bought _The Okinawa Program_ book from Goodwill
> for a $1.65. I will also be writing a web page on that
> longevity diet.
>
The WAP way of eating is not 70% fat. If I remember correctly
it is split fairly evenly (carbs/protein/fat).

You should check out Nourishing Traditions by Sally
Fallon with Mary G. Enig, Ph.D. also to enhance your
knowledge of Dr Price.

Raw milk consumption is high in products that you make
yourself such as yogurt, kefir, creme fraiche and pima cream.
Whey is used in many of the recipes and butter made with raw
milk is practically required. Soaking of all
nuts/rice/seeds/grains is a must.

René

Max C.
Fri, Mar-10-06, 06:15
> Maybe if your repeat your lies often enough people will
> start believing them?

I don't know why I'd need to repeat what I've said when there
are obviously so many people out there who already know that
it's true.

http://www.thehealthierlife.co.uk/article/3378/trans-fatty-ac-
ids.html "Countless studies show that the MORE animal fats
people eat, the better their heart health. Need some proof
from the real world? The African Masai, North American
Eskimos, Japanese, Greeks, Okinawans, and our good friends the
French all consume diets that are extremely high (by
mainstream American standards) in saturated animal fats. Yet
these people enjoy astonishingly low rates of heart disease,
hypertension, and coronary events."

http://www.westonaprice.org/traditional_diets/food_in_china.h-
tml "And what do Okinawans eat? The main meat of the diet is
pork, and not the lean cuts only. Okinawan cuisine, according
to gerontologist Kazuhiko Taira, "is very healthy-and very,
very greasy," in a 1996 article that appeared in Health
Magazine.19 And the whole pig is eaten-everything from "tails
to nails." Local menus offer boiled pigs feet, entrail soup
and shredded ears. Pork is cooked in a mixture of soy sauce,
ginger, kelp and small amounts of sugar, then sliced and
chopped up for stir fry dishes. Okinawans eat about 100 grams
of meat per day-compared to 70 in Japan and just over 20 in
China-and at least an equal amount of fish, for a total of
about 200 grams per day, compared to 280 grams per person per
day of meat and fish in America. Lard-not vegetable oil-is
used in cooking."

http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ealerts/ea200509/ea20050902.html
"Maybe your body does not do well with pork in any form.
Everyone is different. There is some question as to whether
pork is a truly healthy meat. Certainly, grassfed beef is
healthy. But real lard, on the other hand, seems quite
healthy. The longest-lived culture - the Okinawans
-traditionally used lard for all of their cooking."

http://www.beddall.net/diary9.htm "Okinawans love their pork.
While on my brief trip there I ate fried pig's ears (not
good), boiled pig's feet (not much better) and a big slab of
pork fat (lard anyone?)."

> You have my condolences.

You still think your condolences mean something. That's funny.
Condolences from someone as pitiful as you really have no
value. Poor, pitiful you.

Max.

Mr-Natural
Fri, Mar-10-06, 17:16
Max C. wrote:
> > Maybe if your repeat your lies often enough people will
> > start believing them?
>
> I don't know why I'd need to repeat what I've said when
> there are obviously so many people out there who already
> know that it's true.
>
> http://www.thehealthierlife.co.uk/article/3378/trans-fatty--
> acids.html "Countless studies show that the MORE animal fats
> people eat, the better their heart health. Need some proof
> from the real world? The African Masai, North American
> Eskimos, Japanese, Greeks, Okinawans, and our good friends
> the French all consume diets that are extremely high (by
> mainstream American standards) in saturated animal fats. Yet
> these people enjoy astonishingly low rates of heart disease,
> hypertension, and coronary events."

Actually, I have been counted the months waiting for somebody
to bring up the health benefits of free range cattle, ever
since Montygram started babbling over coconut oil.

It sure took you long enough? What was your problem? Are you
stupid or are you just mentally slow?

Just my opinion, but I am never wrong. You arses make it all
so easy to be right. :)

Max C.
Fri, Mar-10-06, 17:16
> Actually, I have been counted the months waiting for
> somebody to bring up the health benefits of free range
> cattle, ever since Montygram started babbling over
> coconut oil.

Thanks for proving me right. I said a few posts back that
the easiest way to tell when you've been proven wrong is to
watch you completely change the subject matter after you've
been shown up. This time, you said I was spreading lies, I
proved you 100% wrong, and you run off on some tangent about
grass fed cows.

You're so predictable. Just thought you might want to know.

Poor, pitiful little Natural Nut.

Max.

Mr-Natural
Fri, Mar-10-06, 17:16
Max C. wrote:
> > Actually, I have been counted the months waiting for
> > somebody to bring up the health benefits of free range
> > cattle, ever since Montygram started babbling over
> > coconut oil.
>
> Thanks for proving me right. I said a few posts back that
> the easiest way to tell when you've been proven wrong is to
> watch you completely change the subject matter after you've
> been shown up. This time, you said I was spreading lies, I
> proved you 100% wrong, and you run off on some tangent about
> grass fed cows.
>
> You're so predictable. Just thought you might want to know.
>
> Poor, pitiful little Natural Nut.
>
> Max.

Who are you?

Nobody!

Oh! That is what I thought? What is taking you so long to
figure that one out?

Oh! I see, you are a mentally slow Christian.

You have my condolences.

Mr-Natural
Fri, Mar-10-06, 17:16
Max C. wrote:

> I proved you 100% wrong, and you run off on some tangent
> about grass fed cows.
>
> You're so predictable. Just thought you might want to know.
>
> Poor, pitiful little Natural Nut.

Perhaps, if you were to focus?

Hey Arse! Try reading the Subject Line: Grass-fed beef: It's
what's good for you.

Boy! Talk about the mentally ill on these ngs.

Thanks for proving that mental illness is real. :)

Just thought that you might want to know.

Max C.
Sat, Mar-11-06, 06:15
I like how you think calling someone a Christian is an insult.
I think it really shows your true side.

I also think that you are no longer worthy of my time. Monty
was right. There are too many people on this news group
willing to discuss science rather than run around throwing out
insults because they lack the mental capacity to debate
intelligently.

Feel free to reply with more insults if you wish. I'm
done with you.

Mr-Natural
Sat, Mar-11-06, 06:15
Max C. wrote:
> I like how you think calling someone a Christian is an
> insult. I think it really shows your true side.
>
> I also think that you are no longer worthy of my time. Monty
> was right. There are too many people on this news group
> willing to discuss science ...

Willing to discuss science?

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

Have you always been this delusional?

You have my condolences.