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santabarb

Mon, Apr-24-06, 17:39

santabarb

Mon, Apr-24-06, 17:45

Barb -- thanks, I'm fine.

Gina, when I had the one pound a day loss (and only for three days before I chickened out) I was just doing garden variety Atkins. I think I retain a lot of water when eating bread and other starches, and that was what was going on. Thanks for the suggestions. I have no trouble eating lots of bacon.

Are we supposed to be worried about the nitrates? Or is that another false alarm?

Just to make sure carcinogens don't enter via nitrites and nitrates, I fork over extra money for uncured bacon. If someone has debunked this dietary 'truth' I'd love to hear about it, as supermarket bacon actually tastes better, though it worries me more. The eternal catch-22.

BawdyWench

Mon, Apr-24-06, 17:50

Forgive me, Banter!!!! I was only joking around. "Hogging" was indeed my not-so-subtle sense of humor for a rather "carnivorous" thread!

Looks like we have several new faces around. Really great to have you here! I love to see what everyone is doing, how they're doing, and maybe apply things that "speak to me" to my own plan.

No, Barb, I'm not exactly "dry." Cutting way down, though. I'm never going to be perfect, but I'll be the best I can be.

Jen, I've seen your posts around and was very interested in what you're doing. Good to have you here.

Busy work week, so I might not be able to post much. I'll try to catch up a little more tomorrow.

Here's my menu for today, for what it's worth:

Breakfast: eggnog made wtih heavy cream, coconut milk, 4 egg yolks, and nutmeg

Snack: coconut bar (made one last batch to get rid of the SF coconut and peanut butter -- when it's gone, it's gone)

Lunch: can on chunk light tuna with tons of Miracle whip

Snack: coconut bar

Dinner: chicken breast in orange cream sauce (SF orange marmalade -- almost gone -- heavy cream and a little chicken broth), and BUTTER!!!!!!!

No clue on calories or percentages. I'm winging it for a while in an attemt to rid myself of these obsessive-compulsive habits.

jande2211

Mon, Apr-24-06, 18:02

Welcome, Gina and Jennifer-
How great to have you in our midst. Now our combined enthusiasm, insight, experience has made an exponential leap!

I blame current rapid weight loss on carnivorism, high fats,very low to non-existent carbs,elimination of wheat,(possibly dairy reduction too), designer supplements, progesterone, exercise, water, TOM, and lack of cravings. I'll plateau now for a while to let my body adjust to 10 lbs less, unless I hear that is foolish from anyone.

Sorry about your hip pain--sending good thoughts for three weeks from now. Sometime I need to learn about Fitday.

Bacon and avocado are, to use Atkins' term, 'luxurious foods"! :yum:

Hello, SantaBarb. I was hoping you could give more information on how progesterone affects wt loss. I was briefly on 200mg for a month. I was advised I might get bloating and tenderness, stuff like that. I don't recall finding anything on wt loss. Are you taking pill form or cream? Thanks for any info.

Hello Santa

jande2211

Mon, Apr-24-06, 18:03

So, Bawdy, how are you doing? I know you've been getting frustrated with stalling after doing a bunch of tweaking. Any changes?

santabarb

Tue, Apr-25-06, 05:48

Hello, SantaBarb. I was hoping you could give more information on how progesterone affects wt loss. I was briefly on 200mg for a month. I was advised I might get bloating and tenderness, stuff like that. I don't recall finding anything on wt loss. Are you taking pill form or cream? Thanks for any info.

I wish I had the competence in that area, but I certainly don't. If you go to the Women to Women site they have endless pages of very instructive material designed to provide holistically medical info to the general populace. It's medically based yet holistic. Their stated goal is to integrate the best practices of alternative and conventional medicine. You can input your concerns on a search engine there that will lead you to articles attempting to clarify hormonal processes and such for us regular folk.
In a nutshell, I could say that they believe many of the miseries of menopause are caused by estrogen dominance which is best corrected by introducing some natural progesterone cream [USP grade]that they offer. After a month of use, it did cause me to have heavy bleeding[my personal experience, don't know much you can extrapolate from that], so I've discontinued use for the time being until I talk to the Nurse Practitioner on Thursday.

santabarb

Tue, Apr-25-06, 05:53

Chicken breast in orange cream sauce sounds divine, probably a needed variation on the slabs of beef I'm currently consuming. :lol:

santabarb

Tue, Apr-25-06, 07:06

BTW,The person whose weight loss improved after increasing carbs was Missatkins, post #3074 on page 205 of the meat and egg thread.

BawdyWench

Tue, Apr-25-06, 10:50

So, Bawdy, how are you doing? I know you've been getting frustrated with stalling after doing a bunch of tweaking. Any changes?
None yet, but the good news is that I have an appointment (FINALLY!) at the Women to Women Center to discuss my test results and plan a treatment regimen. As Barb said, they use natural hormones (not synthetic) for replacement therapy. I'll likely be on DHEA and some other things as well, but not forever.

I'll let you all know what happens after my appointment. I'm sure that once my hormones get circulating in the proper proportions again, things will start moving for me.

Thanks for asking!

(I'm at work now, so I can't stay to chat!)

JandLsMom

Tue, Apr-25-06, 16:29

WOW! this thread has gotten really busy. It took me awhile to catch up! Glad to see some new faces! Welcome everyone!!

I am at a weird point in my journey. I feel complacent and bored. Most foods dont seem appealing to me anymore. I eat the same things over and over and have no variety. Part of me is glad for that, but another part feels like i wish there were more choices..i dont know how to explain it.

This week i have been drinking more coffee than usual and i am getting addicted to Atkins protein bars..sigh. I used to have like one a week and not even think about them. Now i am having like 3-4 a week (sometimes i just eat a 1/2 or a few bites of one or something) i keep saying i am gonna stop eating them..but i dont!! Its such a bummer!

I have tweaked and tweaked and tweaked trying to find out what works for me. I know i LOST quickest while doing meat/eggs/dairy but it got soo boring. I love adding fruit once in a while but it really doesnt help the weight loss i noticed. I have my weigh in Wed morning and am not looking forward to it..ill be lucky if a lost a pound this week! I think i eat too many nuts.

I havent plugged anything into fitday for awhile..and i know i should but i am just too lazy too..arghh!

I have been lax on taking my supplements this week..i just get sick of popping vitamins all day long! sigh

Sorry..i just feel drained right now and stressed. (mostly due to my home life, which is difficult). I just wish i had some energy that everyone talks about! I dont! sigh!

Sorry for being a complete and utter bummer today...i just dont know what is wrong with me...i feel depressed!

ok..enough ramblin...sorry..

BawdyWench

Tue, Apr-25-06, 18:28

Karen, come over here and let me give you a big cyber-hug! :bhug:

We have have these dips in the road. Only you know what's best for you and what works best for your body.

I love the carnivore thing. I think I could happily go through the rest of my life having steak (and butter!) every day. I'm definitely not bored. In fact, I'm almost disappointed that DH would rather have chicken or pork on occasion!

You just need to find out what's most important to you. If weight loss is at the top of your list, then you're just going to have to decide to put up with the lack of variety and do the meat/egg thing. Or, if variety is more important to you, have the Atkins bars and fruit and veggies and put up with slow or no weight loss. It really is up to you.

I don't mean that to sound harsh. We all have to make decisions. Hard decisions. If this is not the time for you, then so be it. Concentrate on your life right now. It sounds like you have some major stresses going on. Maybe it's best that you concentrate on those and be ok with maintaining for a while. After all, you don't have to look at it as "stalling." You could instead look at it for the time being as "maintaining."

unitydkn

Tue, Apr-25-06, 18:58

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santabarb

Wed, Apr-26-06, 05:47

Hi JandL-
That you have lost 33 huge, heavy pounds (try putting that in your purse and carrying it around all day!) shows you've got what it takes to progress on this. I'm just wavering at a measly 10lbs.
Years ago when I did Atkins it was the Atkins shakes, Atkins bars, Atkins ice cream that paved my slippery slope downward and to gaining back many more pounds than I had lost. When I'd go to Target, I'd head right or their low carb bar section before any other shopping.

I am convinced that the greatness of the meat and eggs and carnivore approaches is the limited palate they offer. I can get excited about a juicy steak, but most other foods I'm eating now, eggs in particular, do no more to excite my appetite than watering the lawn excites my appetite. A necessary duty.

For now it's worthwhile to embrace that mindset. I do not currently fantasize about food or forage for food, little mental and emotional space goes into food. I am freed up to think about other things. WW involved so much strategizing and complex purchasing and dealing with everpresent cravings. This is a total no brainer and it's freeing.

I know the minute I start resorting to the bars my sweet tooth will kick in. I avoid them just like they were candy bars because for my mind and body that is their function, I don't care how many 'negligible carbs' I'm not supposed to count, I better count them twice, three times.

This is where Schwarzbein, Paleo, Neander and others have it right. The fake foods are not assimilated the same way and actually lead to addiction and depression.

I say this not to burden you, Karenmarie, but as a manifesto informed by my own life's experience. I'm starving the sweet tooth and feeding the fat tooth, plain and simple. I hope that helps a bit.

santabarb

Wed, Apr-26-06, 05:53

Thanks, Unity, for the uplifting artwork. Very cool.

BawdyWench

Wed, Apr-26-06, 18:48

OK, here's the scoop.

Based on myriad tests, my hormones are out of whack. Not very scientific, but accurate. Estrogen has bottomed out, DHEA is way low, as is cortisol. Testosterone not as severely depressed, but not where it should be, either.

The NP at the Women to Women Center (womentowomen.com) wants me to eat 15 carbs per meal, for a total of 45 per day. She originally wanted 90 a day, but I told her I couldn't do that. We settled on 45 per day. That's not terribly unreasonable.

She also wants me to take it easy with the workouts, which I have been. Fewer sessions, and lighter sessions.

I don't agree with some of what she advocates (for example, she wants me to eat little or no saturated fat), but as with all things, I'm going to take what I think I need and leave the rest.

If I'm going to stay with her, I at least have to listen to her reasoning and as long as I'm not violently opposed, at least give it a try. She wants to see me again in 2 months, so I figure I can stick it out her way for that long.

I'm on a ton of supplements -- medical grade, not available in stores. She also prescribed a few more today to add to my daily regimen. I'll be taking extra progesterone (capsule form, since my levels are so terribly low) and DHEA. Also a few things to bolster cortisol and some other things.

The W-to-W Center takes a holistic approach -- no synthetic hormones, which I like.

I really don't want to get into details, since I feel I need to do this for me and really can't debate this or anything else for the time being.

Thanks, everyone, for your support. I'll be sticking really close to my own journal for a while so as not to get confused and distracted. Please don't anyone think I'm ignoring them.

Here's the health! :thup:

santabarb

Wed, Apr-26-06, 20:44

Hi, Bawdy--
Thanks for the update. Makes sense if you're following Dr.'s orders, so to speak, you don't want to be debating the process in a public forum. So we'll be as supportive as we can. It's great you've got some direction from a good place.

Today:
B: Ribeye, decaf coffee, 2T heavy cream, 1 packet saccharin
S: Devilled egg
L: Lamb
S: Cold chicken thigh, 1 T mayonnaise
D: T Bone
* caprese salad (2 mozzarella balls, 1 big cherry tomato, fresh basil, olive oil)
*Sicilian garlic and green olive salad: 2 very large green olives, garlic, olive oil, vinegar,salt
*1/3 cup blueberries, 4T whipped cream, 1/4 packet splenda

JandLsMom

Thu, Apr-27-06, 00:25

Bawdy..
Good luck to you on your journey. We all have our own road to travel! With the medical issues you face, its best to follow what the doctor is telling you!! I understand you wanting to stick to your own journal! i will pop in and say hi !! HUGGS!
karen

santabarb

Thu, Apr-27-06, 07:49

Am now settled in to the high 180's, lost 3 lbs in the last 7 days. Guess I'm burning ketones, whether I like it or not. Have decreased exercise the last 10 days in order not to overdo. Not doing 10,000 steps a day, just occasionally. Most days hover around 4,000 steps a day (shhh! trying not to scare my body).

nocarbs4gj

Thu, Apr-27-06, 09:22

Bawdy, I hope the new regimen will go well for you. Hey, what kind of friends would we be if we debated with you? We're here to support you! Best of luck to you.

santabarb

Thu, Apr-27-06, 14:11

Hi,nocarbs and JandL and everybody--
Today's intake:
B:Lemon "tea" (sf)
egg 1, cooked in coconut oil 1 t, butter on top 1 t
avocado, 1/4 of avocado pear
strawberry, 1 large
Essential nutrients supplements

L: chicken thigh, cold, chopped
mayonnaise, 2 T
celery, organic, chopped, 4 T
onion, chopped, 1 T (Chicken salad sounded good)
curry blend for seasoning
orange, small organic Valencia,1/2
Essential Nutrients supplements
800 IU vitamin D

S:guacamole, 2 T
egg, HB with Mayonnaise, 1T

D:soup, chicken vegetable, homemade (org.chicken stock, chicken thighs, org. celery, org. carrots, brown rice, org. cilantro, org. red pepper)
chicken thighs,2 (again!)
Yogurt, whole fat Greek 2 T

Cranwater with magnesium powder, 2 x 10 oz glasses
Water, 2 liters.

jande2211

Thu, Apr-27-06, 14:32

Thanks for the update Bawdy. Two months seems like an eternity just to see what the results will be, but you can do it.

No debates! You're on doctor's orders trying to treat specific problems. You'll get all the support you need here, if you want.

nocarbs4gj

Thu, Apr-27-06, 15:09

Hi, folks. Here's my menu for today:

B: 5 pieces bacon (Yes, I am a HOG for bacon.
1 large scrambled egg cooked in bacon grease with 1 T. cream cheese
Water

L: 1 country-style pork rib left over from last night's dinner
3 oz. roast beef
1 avocado
Water

S: Atkins Morning Start Cranberry Almond Granola Bar (almost never eat
anything like this. Had a weak moment.)

D: 4 oz. bologna with a squirt of lemon juice (don't feel like cooking tonight)
1 avocado (because I'm addicted to them. Oh well- better than being
addicted to chocolate
Water

Supplements for today: One-A-Day for Women and Psyllium Husks
Total water intake for today: will be close to 100 ounces
Calories: 1760 Total Carbs: 39 Total Fiber: 23 Net Carbs 16
Percent from Fat: 76% Percent from Carbs: 4% Percent from Protein: 20%

That's my plan, and I'm stickin' to it. :) It's amazing that 612 of my total calorie intake is coming from avocado today. I don't typically eat two of them in a day, but, like I said, I am addicted. I've planned the rest of my day around those two avocados.

Do any of you eat bologna on occasion? I know it comes under the "processed meats" category, but every now and then I really like it, especially with a dash of lemon juice or hot sauce.

What do you guys think about my menu?

BawdyWench

Thu, Apr-27-06, 15:11

Popping in briefly to say ... THANKS, you guys! I had been posting on several threads, and yes, several people have told me the the NP doesn't know what she's talking about, I definitely need to get another opinion, etc. etc. etc.

I'm going to go with it. We re-evaluate in 8 weeks, so if things don't seem to be going well, I'll pursue changes.

I really have to give it a chance, though.

Thanks again for the support!

< scurrying back to my journal >

santabarb

Thu, Apr-27-06, 16:00

JandLsMom

Fri, Apr-28-06, 10:24

santa and nocarb,
Both your menus look good to me! i too love avacados. They rock!! Even Atkins induction allows 1/2 avacado per day!

Bawdy,
your safe here! I am not giving any advice on whether your NP is right or not..i honestly dont know since i am not a specialist. You have special issues to deal with. I applaud you for trying her advice for 2 mos. Stick around..we wont bite!

nocarbs4gj

Fri, Apr-28-06, 11:01

Everybody thinks I'm nuts that I eat so much avocado. But yes -- they rock! I'd eat them all day if I could afford it.

santabarb

Fri, Apr-28-06, 12:32

Yeah, Bawdy--There are no Bears or Woos to bite here. If I remember right, the thread starts with the declaration, "There are no rules here." We'll try to keep it that way!
This entire site is all an ongoing experiment in finding out what works for one's particular metabolism and constitution.

nocarbs4gj

Fri, Apr-28-06, 13:36

Yeah, yeah...NO RULES! That's the ticket!

santabarb

Sat, Apr-29-06, 09:52

The sodium in the organic chicken broth day before yesterday (evening meal) caused water retention and 2 lbs back on yesterday. As of this morning, weight is dropping again close to where I was before.

Also, somewhat increased carbs at that meal could be a contributing factor. Use of heavy cream (4 T) last night did not seem to have negative impact.

JandLsMom

Mon, May-01-06, 11:06

nocarbs4gj

Mon, May-01-06, 11:42

I have been consuming between 65% and 70% most days. I don't know how that will change now that I've started the '72 version. I just started it today and haven't put all of my food in for the day yet. I suspect my protein amount is going to be WAAAAAY higher than it was.

JandLsMom

Tue, May-02-06, 02:12

why will your protein amount be so much higher doing the 72 version?

nocarbs4gj

Tue, May-02-06, 08:34

why will your protein amount be so much higher doing the 72 version?

I don't know really. I guess I can always add a tablespoon of cream cheese or butter here and there to keep the ratios within balance. I just figure my overall number of grams of protein might be higher. Maybe not. I don't know which is more important -- the specific number of grams of protein or the RATIO of fat to protein. I have that nagging thought in the back of my head that excess protein will turn to glucose. What's everyone's opinion on this?

JandLsMom

Tue, May-02-06, 10:31

i think the ratio of fat to protein is the most important thing to look at! From every thing i have read and from my personal experience i DO think keeping the fat up to atleast 65% is important for optimal weight loss.

nocarbs4gj

Tue, May-02-06, 11:41

Great! I'm in pretty good shape then.

santabarb

Tue, May-02-06, 13:21

I'm with JandL that fat is critical to keeping the body happy. It adds a joy factor to the food, while protein by itself quickly becomes tiresome. I also feel it helps keep the kidneys from overworking and helps the colon with slipping food along. The protein seems to dry up inside without plenty of fat and water to keep it moist--constipation results. This is my experience.

santabarb

Tue, May-02-06, 13:24

So how is everyone doing? I started putting everything back into fitday this past week and found out my fat is around 72% most days..so i am happy with that! Anyone else know what percentage of fat they are consuming?

I do not know. I need to get scientific. I just cook everything in coconut oil and add butter on the plate for flavor, moisture and satiety.

nocarbs4gj

Tue, May-02-06, 14:40

So how is everyone doing? I started putting everything back into fitday this past week and found out my fat is around 72% most days..so i am happy with that! Anyone else know what percentage of fat they are consuming?

So far today I am at 68% fat, 30% protein, and 1% carbs. (I don't know where that other 1% is.) I have had a very "hungry" day. So far I've consumed 1900 calories, and I haven't even had dinner yet!! Dinner is typically my lightest meal, however.

Hey, but there are no rules here, right? :)

santabarb

Tue, May-02-06, 15:05

Hey, but there are no rules here, right? :)
You got it, NoCarbs!

chknwing

Tue, May-02-06, 15:39

intresting stuff here...I tend to be more of a paleo directed eater when it comes to fat...keep it natural and whole and get the most of your cals from good sources of protein....seems to work best for me....just cant tolerate too many carbs right at the moment...my moods are much better when I eat fat along with protein....just a for instance....half an avacado and some chicken wings...I love those things..lmao...some water and maybe some decaf tea with splenda....for lunch, love my romaine lettuce wraps....anywho..I think DR atkins was right when he said dont worry too much about the good fat.....or closer to a quote: dont be scared to eat natural fat.....

BawdyWench

Tue, May-02-06, 17:18

Hi there! Just me popping in again. I kind of miss you guys! I've gone cold turkey for a while with the board. In a way it felt good not being confused by all the differing opinions around, but it also felt a little lonely. I miss the support.

I've been eating more carbs lately. Sunday I think I was PMSing. It's been so long, I didn't recognize it. I spent the entire day eating and feeling on the verge of either bawling my eyes out or slapping somebody (anybody) silly. Monday I felt better, and haven't felt the need to indulge in anything off plan.

Today I had a burrito for lunch. I don't even like burritos. And I didn't like it when I was eating it, and I disliked it even more when it was gone. Really upset stomach. Never again.

Tonight a thick Porterhouse is waiting for me. Yum.

I'll check back in tomorrow. Did you guys miss me at all? Please say you did. Remember, I'm out of estrogen and I've got a gun!

banter

Tue, May-02-06, 18:12

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I'll check back in tomorrow. Did you guys miss me at all? Please say you did. Remember, I'm out of estrogen and I've got a gun!

*I* missed you, and we're barely acquainted :) I absolutely love your "I'm out of estrogen and I've got a gun" line. Made my day. (I hate being given advice too. Message boards come with self-appointed -- and very well-meaning, of course -- Food Police who know my food plan better than I do.) I hope whatever you do works for you; you, or they, will adjust as needed, I'm sure. In the meantime, enjoy the Porterhouse!

I've not been on the board because I got a terrible sunburn last week -- neck and shoulders -- and it hurt to type! Aloe Vera lotion really is a miracle.

Re fat, no matter how much I read it, I still feel guilty cooking a steak in fat, and then putting butter on top of it. I do it, and love it, but I wish I could turn off the little Dean Ornish voice in my head telling me how I deserve to die! Hope everyone else is having a more sane week.

santabarb

Tue, May-02-06, 18:58

It's being afraid of natural fat that got us into this pickle in the first place.

santabarb

Tue, May-02-06, 19:10

Hi there! Just me popping in again. I kind of miss you guys! ... I spent the entire day eating and feeling on the verge of either bawling my eyes out or slapping somebody (anybody) silly.
Boy, I'm glad I'm 3,000 miles away!

Does having a jar of progesterone and a 16 oz ribeye constitute a defensive weapon? If so, I'm armed.

Yeah, I kinda missed you....ALOT!

nocarbs4gj

Wed, May-03-06, 10:25

Hi, everyone! So far, today's menu has been:

Breakfast:
3 scrambled eggs
4 pieces hickory smoked bacon

Morning Snack:
50 tiny salad shrimp dipped in 1.5 T melted butter

Calories consumed so far: 706
Fat/Protein/Carb Ratio: 72%/25%/3%

Lunch will be beef stew meat. Still undecided about dinner

Yes, I have a ravenous appetite. But, according to '72 Atkins, I should eat if I am hungry. So I do.

Yesterday, just out of curiousity, I used the ketostix to see if they would change color, since I was on day 2 of '72 Atkins. It turned almost the darkest shade of purple. However, this morning the scales still had the same stupid number. Aaaaaagh!

So, I will continue to fight fat with fat.

BawdyWench

Wed, May-03-06, 12:23

Gina, don't worry about what the scale says from day to day. It will make you crazy. Better to go by the jeans-o-meter, anyway. The scale weighs everything, from fat to bone to internal organs to undigested food to digested food that hasn't left yet (!) to dramatically fluctuating fluid supplies. The scale is probably the LEAST accurate measure. On the other hand, it sure is nice seeing that number go down!

nocarbs4gj

Wed, May-03-06, 13:04

Yes, Bawdy, you are right on all counts. I figure that there are a few pounds in the "digested but hasn't left the building yet" in there. Since starting the '72 Atkins, I am having much less frequent traffic in that department.

I do have a "shiny coat" from all the fat and protein, however. ha ha

BawdyWench

Wed, May-03-06, 13:11

Yes, Bawdy, you are right on all counts.
Ahhhh. I can't tell you how much I love hearing those words! :lol:

I was doing the carnivore thing for a while, and really liked it. No constipation, no straining (sorry!), etc. Now that I've added a few carbs, it's back to the old problems. Am I crazy, or shouldn't that tell us something?

nocarbs4gj

Wed, May-03-06, 13:37

I was doing the carnivore thing for a while, and really liked it. No constipation, no straining (sorry!), etc. Now that I've added a few carbs, it's back to the old problems. I'm I crazy, or shouldn't that tell us something?

I'm curious. What made you decide to leave the carnivore thing? I'll add a few carbs in the next couple of weeks, but no more than 5 or 6 carbs per week. I'm going to keep them low, low, low for a while and not subtract the fiber from the count.

santabarb

Wed, May-03-06, 17:50

I do have a "shiny coat" from all the fat and protein, however. ha ha
Yes, shiny coat. And shiny nails, long, strong nails such as I cannot remember. Gums no longer bleed. Eyes no longer red and scratchy. Anyone else's gums healthier since low carbing/high fatting?

BawdyWench

Wed, May-03-06, 18:17

I'm curious. What made you decide to leave the carnivore thing?
I haven't really. I'm having ... hate to say it ... menopause issues. My adrenals and hormones are all out of whack. I'm going to a Nurse Practitioner at the Women to Women Center. They have a much more holistic approach to women's issues. She says the body absolutely, positively needs carbs to function. That said, she's also an advocate of low-carb eating, just not THAT low carb. They recommend 15 carbs per meal. I almost feel that while I'm under her care, I almost need to follow ALL of her advice, whether I like it or not. There may be something to all the supplements and hormone replacement that does better with a few more carbs. Who knows?

I'm not doing carbs every day, but I'm slipping some in here and there. Like a slice of LC toast with my eggnog in the morning, or a couple veggies or berries with lunch or dinner.

santabarb

Wed, May-03-06, 18:48

They have a much more holistic approach to women's issues. She says the body absolutely, positively needs carbs to function. That said, she's also an advocate of low-carb eating, just not THAT low carb. They recommend 15 carbs per meal.

Did she say there was much difference in carbs--low glycemic, for instance? My nurse practitioner from W to W promoted homemade soups and a visit to a gynecologist last week.

BawdyWench

Wed, May-03-06, 19:31

Yes, definitely low glycemic. Which NP are you seeing (talking to)? You can PM me, if you like. Also, what all supplements are you taking from them?

nocarbs4gj

Thu, May-04-06, 10:12

Down 2 pounds today. Fat is where it's at!!!

santabarb

Thu, May-04-06, 10:31

Down 2 pounds today. Fat is where it's at!!!
nocarbs, looks like you got it made in the shade. :cool:

nocarbs4gj

Thu, May-04-06, 10:50

nocarbs, looks like you got it made in the shade. :cool:

I hope I am beginning to turn the corner. I'm doing everything the '72 book says, and I'm keeping my percentage of calories as fat at or above 65%.

I am eating like a HOG and I feel FABULOUS! I noticed my skin looked almost like porcelain this morning. Didn't even wear foundation. Just wore powder with the rest of my usual makeup. I hope this is a lasting benefit of high-fat and lots of water.
:) :) :)

nocarbs4gj

Thu, May-04-06, 10:52

SantaBarb, I saw your post in my journal, but, from reading it, it appears you intended it to go to Wyoming Diva's journal. Just wanted you to know just in case!!

santabarb

Thu, May-04-06, 10:59

SantaBarb, I saw your post in my journal, but, from reading it, it appears you intended it to go to Wyoming Diva's journal. Just wanted you to know just in case!!
Actually, I don't know what I am doing. :p I was responding to both of you in your journal, I thought. But, it's fine. I don't need to talk to her, though she sounds really nice. I've never been on this kind of forum before, so I am very slowly learning how to use the bells and whistles.
In any case, you've got the thrill of losing coursing through you now! (My skin's not porcelain yet--but my nails are awesome. Guess we can't have it all ;))

nocarbs4gj

Thu, May-04-06, 11:35

Ooooh, awesome nails are a great plus. I don't have them, because I am a chewer. (Bad Gina, bad Gina). It's the only bad habit I have, though. :lol:

santabarb

Thu, May-04-06, 21:07

Out of curiosity, what is the special quality that the '72 Atkins has as opposed to later versions?

Bobi-p

Thu, May-04-06, 21:36

It's stricter, santabarb.

nocarbs4gj

Thu, May-04-06, 21:51

Out of curiosity, what is the special quality that the '72 Atkins has as opposed to later versions?

The "induction" period is only a week (but it is not referred to as induction). You are essentially limited to under 10 carbs per day during that time. The following week you can add 5 grams of carb, and for several weeks thereafter until you determine your CCL. It's not a lot different -- just doesn't allow much other than fat and protein on the beginning, which is fine with me. If I can find the post with a summary, I will come back and post the link here.

nocarbs4gj

Thu, May-04-06, 21:53

Here's the link showing a summary of the '72 Atkins plan:

http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=105855

JandLsMom

Fri, May-05-06, 01:19

WOW..i havent been on this thread in a few days and you all have posted quite a bit since then.
My weigh in was yesterday morning and i lost 2.4 lbs this week! i have now lost 24 lbs in 11 weeks! woo hoo!
Glad you came back to talk with us Bawdy..i missed you!!
YAY for the 2 lb loss nocarb!
i bite my nails so they look terrible..but i do notice my skin is much clearer since starting lc. I am looking at my hands and they are glistening!! lol
I have been back to induction for a week..but i am not eating that many veggies, some days like today i eat none actually! I have been trying to keep my carbs under 15 and my calories around 1800 average.

nocarbs4gj

Fri, May-05-06, 09:02

Congrats, JandLsmom on the loss. I'm glad to know I'm not the only one with the nail habit. (I'm sure that's your only bad habit too. :bgrin:

Thanks for the note in my journal, SantaBarb. And congratulations on your desire to drink -- water, that is!

I was down another half pound today. TOM comes next week, so I expect to see upward movement on the scales over the next few days. Bummer. It's like riding a rollercoaster sometimes. The good news is that I put on a size 16 pair of jeans this morning. On March 1st, I couldn't have zipped them.

nocarbs4gj

Fri, May-05-06, 15:37

I just looked over my Fitday, Monday through today. Monday is when I started the '72 Atkins. It is amazing to see how many calories I have consumed yet still lost weight:

Monday: 1913
Tuesday: 1729
Wednesday: 2184
Thursday: 2656 - HOLY COW!!
Friday (everything I've eaten plus planned dinner): 1807

I had a couple of really "hungry" days in there, but who cares? I've kept the fat at 65% or more of my daily calories, and my ketostix are anywhere from pink to purple (today, purple).

I love this WOE!!!

santabarb

Fri, May-05-06, 17:02

Thanks, BobiP and nocarbs-
I got the info, nice of you to go to the trouble to locate it. Congratulations to both nocarbs and JandL, and, of course, our all star loser, BobiP! You guys are whipping along. I'm stalled for now.

Went to Dr. today, wants an MRI for my knee ( I haven't walked for exercise since Sunday, five days ago) and an ultrasound for my womb. I avoid this stuff like the plague, but I'll probably do both, just to know.

Breakfast:eggs with cream cheese, cooked in virgin coconut oil
Snack: 1 Buffalo burger patty, cooked in coconut oil
Lunch: 1 lb of stew meat, cooked in vco
Dinner: Lamb leg and spinach, cooked in vco, butter on spinach
Plenty of water

Bobi-p

Fri, May-05-06, 20:39

Santabarb... You will move along in your own good time, don't stress and enjoy life above all else. How's your weather? We are in the 90's here in the desert, the pool is at 76. I'm thinking of jumping in this week-end. TGIF! I've had a rough week. BTW, thanks for the "all star loser" title, much appreciated!

BawdyWench

Sat, May-06-06, 07:18

Hi! I'm trying to catch up on all the threads. I had gone several days without peeking into Bear's thread, and was actually feeling pretty good. Then this morning I took a peek. Why do I do this to myself! It's like an addiction. It's just getting worse and worse over there.

Everyone here seems to be doing nicely. I'm not. As I mentioned earlier, I'm trying to add more carbs because of the recommendation from the NP at Women to Women. Disaster. I know I've gained this week, because my clothes are even tighter.

Also << warning: TMI to come >> with the increase in carbs has come an increase in constipation. I've always had this problem with LC eating, but I always assumed it was from eating NOT ENOUGH carbs. Well, having had no problem at all when I was eating NO carbs, and then add some carbs back and the constipation comes back ... ummmm ... doesn't take a rocket scientist, now does it?

So I'm going to go back to what has worked for me in the past. Very low carbs (5-ish, maybe 10 on occasion), and lower the calories, but just a bit. I have been eating 2000 or more, but I think maybe if I shoot for 1800 or so, that would be good.

Has anyone used the Fitday guidelines to determine basal metabolic rate and all of that?

kwikdriver

Sat, May-06-06, 07:52

Has anyone used the Fitday guidelines to determine basal metabolic rate and all of that?

Try this one. (http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/) It's easy, and I like the numbers it gives me. :D

I should add that the number that calculator gives is what you'd burn if you just sat around watching soap operas all day; you have to do some more calculating (http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/harris-benedict-equation/) to include your activities and get a more accurate picture. But it's easy to do.

BawdyWench

Sat, May-06-06, 08:08

THANKS!!! OK, so I have a BMR of 1465. I then used the Harris Benedict formula that takes into account activity level. I couldn't decide between "light active" and "moderate active" so I did both. Turns out I should be eating 2014 to 2270 calories per day. (I've been told to cut way down on my workouts.)

Still, this seems like a lot of calories. Of course, that's how much I would need to MAINTAIN, right? Oops. Now I see the next step, to decide how much to reduce that by in order to lose weight. It says a good rule of thumb is to reduce it by 15% to 20%.

Light active: 2014 calories; x 15% = 1711 calories; x 20% = 1611 calories

Moderate active: 2270 calories; x 15% = 1929 calories; x 20% = 1816

So, anywhere from 1611 calories to 1929 calories. Averaged out, that's 1770 calories, very close to the 1800 I figured I should shoot for in the beginning.

That's it, then. Shoot for 1800 calories with 70% fat and 30% protein. Or, 70% fat, 25% protein, and 5% carbs at most.

Sound like a plan?

nocarbs4gj

Sat, May-06-06, 08:21

Thanks, BobiP and nocarbs-
Snack: 1 Buffalo burger patty, cooked in coconut oil
Plenty of water

This sounds like something I would adore. I love buffalo anything! How do you prepare it?

I was a very happy camper when I got on the scales this morning. Down another 1.5 pounds this morning. Dear God, please let this continue!!! I want to get to one-derland.

:angel:

kwikdriver

Sat, May-06-06, 08:28

I think you've got it :thup:. One caveat is that research has shown that people tend to overestimate their activity levels by about a multiplier on the HB formula. The vast majority of people should be at about 1.3. I use 1.2 as a multiplier, just to be on the safe side, and then any unusual exercise I do I manually calculate out and add in (only mentally, though -- I'm not that anal about it).

So as an example, if your usual BMR + HB (using 1.2 as a multiplier) gives you a breakeven of 2000, which is about where you are, and on a given day you go for a 30 minute run, you can add that in on top of the 2000, if that makes sense, assuming you had an average day in all other respects. Really though, these figures are ballpark, and I use them just to give me an idea of what I need to do to to keep losing, and what kind of rate of loss I can expect over time, when a lot of the variations have a chance to even out. Some folks expect a lot more out of these formulae than they can possibly give -- they are guidelines only, and even at that, depend entirely on accurate inputs to be worthwhile.

Sorry for the sermon ;)

BawdyWench

Sat, May-06-06, 09:53

Quikdriver, I agree totally. I really wanted to rate myself as moderately active, but decided to do the low active to be on the safe side. I figure anything around 1700 to 1800 should be good.

PS: How many carbs in allergy meds? :lol: My oil of oregano doesn't seem to be working this year. It cuts the symptoms a little, but I need more. Just bought some Loratidine (brand name is Alavert). It's the only one I haven't tried yet.

Oh, and did I mention I'm going to try cutting out ALL alcohol for a while? When I was reading Bear's thread this morning (for the last time, so help me god!), something he said struck a chord. Someone had said that they could do the carnivorous thing, but that they still wanted to eat ... whatever. Bear said that saying you want to do something, and then not be willing to do what it takes to actually get there, you're wasting your time. I didn't say that right, but you get my point.

Suddenly I felt like the shoe was on the other foot. YOu see, there's a woman at work who has IBS. She's been on steroids several times, and it's ruining her health. She's very obese, and I keep telling her (in a gentle way, and only when she brings it up) that a low-carb diet would do wonders for her. "Oh, I can't give up my bread and pasta," she says. All the time I'm thinking, "Well then, you're just exacerbating the problem and you'll forever have these problems."

"Hello, Pot? This is Kettle calling!"

If I don't give up alcohol, I don't think this is going to work for me. At least not now. Maybe when I was younger and my metabolism and hormones weren't so messed up. Now I think I'm going to have to give it up for a while. I don't have "a problem" or anything, but I do enjoy a drink in the evenings.

Oh, well. If I want to get healthy again and drop some of these pounds, I need to make some definite changes.

I've said this before, and have always gone back to the old ways.

But I'm not giving up (or in). If when we were all toddlers and trying to learn to walk, if we fell down a couple times and just decided it probably wasn't worth it, we'd never have learned how to walk.

One step at a time.

JandLsMom

Sat, May-06-06, 16:46

ok my BMR was 1954..multiplied by 1.2 means that i need 2344 cals to maintain my weight. It says to drop that by 500-1000 so i guess i should be between 1334-1834 cals. (i have been sticking to 1500--1800 lately..so i am doing good apparently! Also if you try the 20% figure then i should be having 1876. So ya..i think i will stick with between 1500-1800 like i planned!

BawdyWench

Mon, May-08-06, 18:22

What? No posts since Saturday?

I've been hanging in there, but still no luck. My hormones must be really whacked for NOTHING to be happening. Actually, I think I'm gaining. Feels like around 5 pounds.

When oh when will this turn around for me?

Sorry. Did that sound desperate?

Hey! It's a new TV show ... "Desperate Wenches" :lol:

santabarb

Mon, May-08-06, 23:17

When oh when will this turn around for me?

Sorry. Did that sound desperate?

Hey! It's a new TV show ... "Desperate Wenches" :lol:
Mine's called "Desperate Barbarians". I've gained 2 lbs attending an art museum opening in Pasadena on Friday, a fundraiser banquet at a university on Saturday, an outdoor reception with hors d'oeuvres at a science museum on Sunday. So much for functioning in the "real world." It's sardines and hard boiled eggs forever.

santabarb

Mon, May-08-06, 23:57

How goes it noCarbs and JandL? Qwik, surprised to see you driving into this neighborhood. Suddenly find yourself with time on your hands? (now that that bear of a dictocrat has retired from the fray)...? How then shall we live?

BawdyWench

Tue, May-09-06, 05:34

Bear bowed out? No longer posts? I was figuring it wouldn't last too much longer. I've actually stayed away from that thread for several days now. Like a breath of fresh air!

kwikdriver

Tue, May-09-06, 06:34

Bear bowed out? No longer posts? I was figuring it wouldn't last too much longer. I've actually stayed away from that thread for several days now. Like a breath of fresh air!

But Bawdy, how will you take commands from your leader if you aren't reading his thread? Weren't all of you folks brainwashed, flesh eating zombies? :lol:

And santa, I posted here before Bear bowed out. I read this thread (which is slower than it ought to be), the meat & egg, and a few paleo threads, even though I don't really follow those plans. But that's where a lot of the useful information comes from now. You can only read so many "OMG OMG OMG, I haven't lost a thing in two days, how can I break this staaaaaaaaaalllll" posts before developing an unhealthy contempt for your fellow human beings, and that's something I'd like to avoid. The people in these threads tend to be a little wiser, even if they are brainwashed, flesh eating zombies. ;)

kwikdriver

Tue, May-09-06, 09:59

Today I got 5 pounds or so of beef fat. I'm going to start cooking eggs in it, and making beef cracklings. :yum: The best part of all is that it was free! You could live on this stuff + eggs for protein and, if you are so inclined, vegetables ;), and spend maybe $40 a month on food, if that. There are some amazing options out there if you are willing to do things a little differently.

nocarbs4gj

Tue, May-09-06, 10:17

I'm back in the saddle again, as the song goes. After yesterday's frosting-laden duck cake indulgence, I was up two pounds this morning. (Hey, Kwik, does this mean I'm in a STAAAAAALLLLL? :lol: ) Of course, because of the sugar rush, I had to be peeled from the ceiling to get to the scales. Bacon, eggs, tuna, and a little celery with a lot of mayo/ranch dressing powder mix today.

Hope everybody is fattin' it up --foodwise, that is-- today. Remember to eat fat to get flat! :D

santabarb

Tue, May-09-06, 10:37

You can only read so many "OMG OMG OMG, I haven't lost a thing in two days, how can I break this staaaaaaaaaalllll" posts before developing an unhealthy contempt for your fellow human beings, and that's something I'd like to avoid. The people in these threads tend to be a little wiser, even if they are brainwashed, flesh eating zombies. ;)
Woohoos, trips to the nail parlor, how cute you look in your new picture, how cute my pets are --I think I was mesmerized by the Bear precisely to escape that yadayada. But then I became a flesh-eating zombie WHO DOES NOT EAT INSECTS. :lol:

santabarb

Tue, May-09-06, 10:41

Today I got 5 pounds or so of beef fat. I'm going to start cooking eggs in it, and making beef cracklings. :yum: The best part of all is that it was free!
However, you have become a fat-eating zombie.
How did this come about? Do you have some arcane diet guru, or are you making this up as you go along, like some of us? :lol:

santabarb

Tue, May-09-06, 10:49

NoCarbs, my indiscretions in the "real world" this weekend netted me a 2 lb increase also.
Breakfast: Salmon with melted butter on top
Lunch:Sardines and hard boiled eggs
Dinner: Steak, high fat, eaten rare, 1/4 cup raspberries
Lots of water. Green tea.

nocarbs4gj

Tue, May-09-06, 10:49

Woohoos, trips to the nail parlor, how cute you look in your new picture, how cute my pets are --I think I was mesmerized by the Bear precisely to escape that yadayada. But then I became a flesh-eating zombie WHO DOES NOT EAT INSECTS. :lol:

Oh, my goodness! I was recently a slave to one of those threads that became more like visiting Petsmart than anything. One person pretty much ran the thing, and all of the participants huddled around her like she was the Blessed Virgin.

Did I just write that out loud? :D

nocarbs4gj

Tue, May-09-06, 10:52

kwikdriver

Tue, May-09-06, 11:03

However, you have become a fat-eating zombie.
How did this come about? Do you have some arcane diet guru, or are you making this up as you go along, like some of us? :lol:

I'm not exactly a fat eating zombie. I think I'm around 65% of calories from fat or so now, after being at 60% for months. What I discovered was that I really like beef fat, like the taste of it, especially cooked crisp. And it's free, which is simply shocking to me -- the best, tastiest food I can eat is free. It's better than butter, about on a par with cheese :yum:, and can be eaten on its own. Bear's thread did push me a little in this direction, by giving me the occasion to examine some things, whcih I hadn't done before -- I'd been doing so well I kind of got in a rut. Now, I'm going to grease that rut with beef fat. :)

Did I mention it was free, as in cost me nothing more than the gas to drive to the store and back?. Oops, I forgot what gas prices are like these days. Never mind.

santabarb

Tue, May-09-06, 14:10

QuikDriver and nocarbs, You guys are hilarious. I mean like you had me LAUGHING OUT LOUD. :lol: Nocarbs, you pretty much hit the nail on the head. It's a microcosmic view of female foibles. "The Blessed Virgin..." hahaha. "Petsmart," heeheehee. They are nice about offering help, though, another typically female trait.

I figure why suffer overmuch while dieting when Atkins always said, "Eat luxuriously"? The luxurious food and inane humor helps a whole, whole lot to make this process palatable. Thanks!

Serious question for anyone: Is coconut oil all it's cracked up to be? I'm coming to the end of my supply and they sell it in great $50 buckets now. Is there anyone other than Philippine coconut oil companies who have sponsored studies and found it truly superior to olive oil, tallow, butter for humans? Mary Enig, PhD. and Sally Fallon are not unbiassed on this subject as far as I've seen.

Also, a longtime nagging question sitting on the back burner --how much credibility should one give to those critics who say that pesticides, herbicides and other nasty things lurk in top of the food chain animals like beef, and particularly in their FAT and LIVER? Finding a source of organically fed, pasture raised beef is always such a chore and expensive for nonrural dwellers.

santabarb

Tue, May-09-06, 14:48

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It's facts like this that originally drove me away from the meat counter into the vegetable aisles. Now I'm a beefeater and gotta have it every day. theBear's simple, childlike trust in the USDA always amazed me.

kwikdriver

Tue, May-09-06, 15:02

How many outbreaks of e coli have we had? I don't trust any organization really, certainly not the USDA, but I do trust the fear organizations have of lawsuits. ;)

nocarbs4gj

Tue, May-09-06, 15:05

QuikDriver and nocarbs, You guys are hilarious. I mean like you had me LAUGHING OUT LOUD. :lol: Nocarbs, you pretty much hit the nail on the head. It's a microcosmic view of female foibles. "The Blessed Virgin..." hahaha."Petsmart," heeheehee. They are nice about offering help though.

I figure why suffer overmuch while dieting when Atkins always said, "Eat luxuriously"? The luxurious food and inane humor helps a whole, whole lot to make this process palatable. Thanks!

Hey, I'm nothing, if not inane. :D

Serious question: Is coconut oil all it's cracked up to be? I'm coming to the end of my supply and they sell it in great $50 buckets now. Is there anyone other than Philippine coconut oil companies who have sponsored studies and found it truly superior to olive oil, tallow, butter for humans? Mary Enig, PhD. and Sally Fallon are not unbiassed on this subject as far as I've seen.

Egads, it may be up to $60 a bucket by the middle of summer. Damn oil companies. Oh...wrong oil. :D Seriously, this is one thing I have been curious to try, but I haven't bought any. Can you get it at Kroger and/or Wal'Mart?

Also, a longtime nagging question sitting on the back burner --how much credibility should one give to those critics who say that pesticides, herbicides and other nasty things lurk in top of the food chain animals like beef, and particularly in their FAT and LIVER? Finding a source of organically fed, pasture raised beef is always such a chore and expensive for nonrural dwellers.

I worry about it, but not to the point that I won't eat it. I grew up on a farm, and we raised our own beef. But I think our subdivision has a cattle restriction. :lol:

santabarb

Tue, May-09-06, 15:27

This is a website promoting the virtues of beef.http://www.biblelife.org/beef.htm .A bit crackpottish, yet somehow manages to make some good points.

santabarb

Tue, May-09-06, 15:34

[B]
Egads, it may be up to $60 a bucket by the middle of summer. Damn oil companies. Oh...wrong oil. :D Seriously, this is one thing I have been curious to try, but I haven't bought any. Can you get it at Kroger and/or Wal'Mart?

I've only seen the virgin coconut oil in health food stores or on the internet. Not at my local WalMart--but you could check a Super WalMart if there's one within a reasonable distance. Coconut was found to be the least liable of all oils to heat damage in one German study, if I remember right.

nocarbs4gj

Tue, May-09-06, 15:59

I am 5 minutes from Super WalMart. I will have to look when I go shopping tomorrow. Thanks!

santabarb

Tue, May-09-06, 16:37

How many outbreaks of e coli have we had? I don't trust any organization really, certainly not the USDA, but I do trust the fear organizations have of lawsuits. ;)
Well put, kwikdriver.

jande2211

Tue, May-09-06, 18:53

kwikdriver

Tue, May-09-06, 19:16

So where did you get 5 lbs of beef fat (or ANYthing else!) FREE?? Wow! Good for you! And do you cook the beef for cracklings at a low heat, say as jerky? Thanks.

I got it from a supermarket butcher. They usually throw it out, so had no problems giving it to me for free. I had to hunt around some though, because a couple of butchers wouldn't give me any, saying they didn't have any, or else they gave it to some kind of fat recycling company(?) I was particularly lucky, because I don't eat pork, and this store keeps its pork trimmings (what they call the fat) seperate from its beef trimmings. Needless to say, this store will be getting most of my business from now on. Really, all you can do is ask, and all they can do is say no.

I'm going to cook the fat on high temperature until it's crisp, and call it cracklins. ;) The real recipe for cracklins uses pork trimmings, and involves cooking the trimmings in fat, which, the title of this thread aside, doesn't appeal to me: deep fried fat. :devil:

BawdyWench

Tue, May-09-06, 19:18

It's been a long day.

I'm relaxing with a glass of Irish whiskey and I don't care who knows it.

Regarding the problems with the food chain ... yes, someday we'll probably be eating soylent green, but hey, isn't that all protein? :thup:

Coconut oil. Major hype, in my opinion, which doesn't amount to a hill of beans (and we all know how much we in this group value a hill of beans). I bought a bunch when Tropical Traditions was having a "buy a 32-ounce jar, get one free." Probably won't be doing that again. I truly believe we have to be realistic about this. If it's that hard to come by (and in rural Maine, it is), it probably aint' something that's going to be repeated too often.

Beef fat. Do you render it? Or just cut off a hunk, melt it, and fry in it? I was a dismal failure at rendering beef fat. Maybe it's these blonde highlights I keep getting are starting to take root (no offence to the natural blondes among us), but the stuff just wouldn't melt!

"Natural" beef. I looked into getting some grass-fed beef from a local farm. The smallest lots they sell it in are 300-pound units. Do you know how long it would take 2 people to eat 300 pounds of beef? Our freezer isn't even big enough for it. And the first time we had a power outage (which is often enough), we'd lose everything in the freezer -- that or have the biggest BBQ this town has ever seen!

I think all this concern is well and good, but geezum crow, you can't worry about everything. At least I can't.

Sorry. I seem to have my cranky pants on tonight.

kwikdriver

Tue, May-09-06, 20:26

Beef fat. Do you render it? Or just cut off a hunk, melt it, and fry in it? I was a dismal failure at rendering beef fat. Maybe it's these blonde highlights I keep getting are starting to take root (no offence to the natural blondes among us), but the stuff just wouldn't melt!

I'm going to cook it. I have the cooking skills of a child, and that's good enough for my purposes, and I don't want to get any better. So I'm going to roast it, bake it, toss it into a frying pan with eggs, use it with round roast so there's more fat, use it like I would butter. It's versatile stuff. Remember, "Fat: It's What's For Dinner! And Lunch. And Breakfast. And Snacks." :D

santabarb

Tue, May-09-06, 21:41

kwikdriver

Wed, May-10-06, 05:05

I guess the real proof is in the pudding, so to speak--where the rubber hits the road, or the fat hits the fire. Will fried beef fat make you lose unwanted pounds and also leave you with a healthy body? We will await your verdict sometime in the future--maybe by page 100 of this thread.

I'm not eating massive amounts of it at a time -- an ounce of fat has 200 calories, which is quite a wallop. What I am using it for is as a replacement for butter on vegetables, and as a sort of flavor replacement for meat. So, for example, I just ate breakfast: three eggs, some cheese, some onion and bell pepper (which I really like), and an ounce of beef fat, which gave the whole thing a nice flavor, and upped calories to a reasonable range, around 700 - 800 which, for me as a semi-active large man, is where I want to be. In fact, because I have a hike today, it's a little bit low in calories. It came out to 75% fat, which is quite a bit for me, but again, about where I would like to be -- I usually struggle to get enough fat in. I could make the same thing using butter instead of beef fat, but I prefer the taste of the beef fat, and I have a hard time eating more than a tablespoon of butter at a meal. Oh yes, butter, even the cheap stuff I buy, costs $2 a pound. This was free. :) The only downside is a relative lack of protein, but I'll make up for that at dinner probably.

JandLsMom

Wed, May-10-06, 11:27

hi folks!

I found a neighborhood butcher and bought 6 10 oz strip steaks the other day, and also 2 lbs of fresh hamburger meat! Monday night we had the strip steaks and broccolli for dinner. I swear it was the best meat i ever tasted. Me and hubby are SOLD on the friendly neighborhood butcher and will be buying steaks and hamburger from him every week now! I made a LC meatloaf last night with the hamb meat...YUMMMY! Tonight we are having more strip steaks. Those things are so good i wishi could afford to eat them EVERY day!! Hubby agreed to the steaks TWICE a week now!! woo hoo!! I did realize in fitday that steaks are HIGH in calories!! VERY HIGH. I dont know how i could keep my cals down to 1800 having strip steaks for dinner!! I guess i will have to cut down on the cheese those days!

So, Bears thread closed down i noticed. I havent kept up with it too much over the past couple weeks anyways. I do kinda miss it..it gave me something to do..sooo much reading daily for that thread!! That thread was a ticking bomb from the beginnning!

I weighed in today and lost another 2 lbs this week! I really am hoping for more like 3 lbs a week...i need to stop being tempted by those protein bars and LC ice cream bars..i had one last night..sigh!!

I am doing only meat, eggs and cheese today to get rid of these cravings i have caused myself!!

nocarbs4gj

Wed, May-10-06, 13:20

Congratulations on that loss, JandLsMom!

santabarb

Wed, May-10-06, 22:53

Good job, JandL--
I'm slipping on a slippery slope of off-program choices today. I recovered by dinner with a high fat hamburger, one slice of tomato and a little onion. But youare doing great! The butcher will be glad for your continued business, too.

Actually, thanks to theBear I learned quite a bit about beef since I had previously pretty much avoided it as merely a necessary evil from time to time. I'm much more savvy about good, juicy cuts now and when to strike to find bargains or 'manager's markdowns'. He is so right about the undercooking. Overcooked lean meat is dry, insipid and constipating. Undercooked fatty meat (nicely browned on the outside, bleu inside) is exquisite and easily chewed and swallowed.

santabarb

Wed, May-10-06, 22:55

I'm not eating massive amounts of it at a time -- an ounce of fat has 200 calories, which is quite a wallop. What I am using it for is as a replacement for butter on vegetables, and as a sort of flavor replacement for meat. So, for example, I just ate breakfast: three eggs, some cheese, some onion and bell pepper (which I really like), and an ounce of beef fat, which gave the whole thing a nice flavor, and upped calories to a reasonable range, around 700 - 800 which, for me as a semi-active large man, is where I want to be. In fact, because I have a hike today, it's a little bit low in calories. It came out to 75% fat, which is quite a bit for me, but again, about where I would like to be -- I usually struggle to get enough fat in. I could make the same thing using butter instead of beef fat, but I prefer the taste of the beef fat, and I have a hard time eating more than a tablespoon of butter at a meal. Oh yes, butter, even the cheap stuff I buy, costs $2 a pound. This was free. :) The only downside is a relative lack of protein, but I'll make up for that at dinner probably.
I think I had envisioned you eating great slabs of fat morning noon and night :lol: , albeit crispy slabs ;) . Your menu sounds pretty well rounded and delicious.

JandLsMom

Thu, May-11-06, 11:39

one day doing M/E and lost 1.4 lbs overnight..he he! my scale said 260.6 this morning!! AND..the cravings have subsided! But i am continuing the M/E for a few more days. I need a good loss this week!

kwikdriver

Thu, May-11-06, 11:58

I think I had envisioned you eating great slabs of fat morning noon and night :lol: , albeit crispy slabs ;) . Your menu sounds pretty well rounded and delicious.

In fact, I just roasted about a pound of fat. :D

Shhh! Don't tell anyone, but I poured the drippings down the drain, as I have too much butter to use up, and the drippings would have gone rancid before I used them. The crispy rinds I'm going to eat, although not sure when. They came out perfect from what I can tell -- like the fat on a well cooked steak, except there is no steak :)

When I stop and think about it it is kind of weird, but damn does it taste good. ;)

CGraff

Thu, May-11-06, 14:53

Kwik,
how exactly did you roast/render the beef fat. I just got some yesterday. I put a small amount in the oven at 250 degrees like the Bear said. most of it melted but the pieces left did not get crispy. I wonder if I need a higher temperature. did you do yours on the stove?

You could freeze the drippings to use later to fry eggs in, etc. Butter can also be frozen if you have too much. I think the crispies could be frozen and then reheated when you want to eat them.

We used to pour bacon drippings down our drain or put them down the garbage disposal. then our sewer backed up and the maintenance man said to never put such things down the drain/disposal. When it hardens, it plugs up the pipes. He said to put it in an old container and dispose of it in your trash.

Carolyn

kwikdriver

Thu, May-11-06, 15:01

I didn't render it, I roasted it. I cooked it at 400 degrees for about 40 minutes, poured out the fat, cooked it again for about 10 - 15 minutes, poured out the fat, and what was left was pretty crisp.

If you take the pieces left from the rendering and roast them, they'll probably get crisp. In the South, they deep fry them and call them "cracklins." A little too hardcore for me. :)

I'm out of room in my freezer, but the point about the sink and pipes is a good one. From now on, into the trash it goes.

nocarbs4gj

Thu, May-11-06, 16:12

Kwikdriver, what size is the fat before you roast it? Is it just small bits and pieces from various cuts of beef?

kwikdriver

Thu, May-11-06, 16:26

Some of them are small, and a couple of them are huge, about 8 ounces on their own, like they came from a giant strip steak cut. 8 ounces of fat is a lot. Next time I'll cut up the big strips into smaller pieces, which makes it easier to control how much I eat, plus they crisp up much better when they're small. I ate 5 ounces or so and I'm completely stuffed, to the point of being sick. I haven't felt like that since I started low carbing, over a year. Smaller pieces are definitely the way to go.

BawdyWench

Thu, May-11-06, 17:13

Gee, and here I've been looking for a side dish to have with my Porterhouse. Deep-fried fat! Whodathunk?

:yum:

santabarb

Fri, May-12-06, 00:41

I had a large ribeye at 11 am with some pieces of fat nicely cooked and some fatty short ribs at 4pm. It left me feeling a bit queasy--too much fat methinks. Had no appetite the rest of the day.
I did try a Dr. Atkins shake and found it disgusting--like liquid vitamins. I had remembered the shakes being pretty chocolatey but either the formula has changed or my taste buds are alot cleaner this time around from all the meat and simple things. I'm finding sardines just a teenyweeny bit daunting--I keep wanting sweets to make up for them.

kwikdriver

Fri, May-12-06, 09:11

I had a large ribeye at 11 am with some pieces of fat nicely cooked and some fatty short ribs at 4pm. It left me feeling a bit queasy--too much fat methinks.

Hey now, you can never have too much fat!!! ;)

It's amazing to me how stuffed I was. I woke up today without much of an appetite, almost 24 hours after eating all of 5 ounces of fat and some cheese and eggs. My guess is it will take some work to fine tune things, to figure out how to get the right balance of nutrients, particularly protein, along with the fat, while keeping calories in line. But it's definitely an appetite killer.

nocarbs4gj

Fri, May-12-06, 13:15

Hey, guys...(smack, smack)...guess what (smack) I'm eating...(must use napkin, got pig on face, grunt grunt). Ribs....(smack smack)...delicious...(lick fingers).

Who the heck ever said this was a diet? (grunt grunt oink oink)

santabarb

Fri, May-12-06, 14:16

nocarbs4gj

Fri, May-12-06, 15:17

I think I need a shower. I'm covered in grease!

santabarb

Fri, May-12-06, 17:17

Getting lipstick to stay on after one of those greasy meals is always interesting. You may discover a silver lining here:automatic savings on expensive dept store moisturizers.

santabarb

Fri, May-12-06, 17:42

kwikdriver

Fri, May-12-06, 17:57

This is an eye opener from that article you posted, SB:

The study was limited by its post-hoc design and by the fact that sodium intake is based on dietary recall. But Dr. Hays said he is confident that patients significantly increased sodium consumption because "despite the fact that we discouraged them from eating processed meats, many of them were eating a half pound of bacon and six eggs for breakfast."

That comes out to 1400 calories (and over 80% fat), in that one meal alone. But they were apparently still losing weight. I'm a little suspicious about this.

santabarb

Fri, May-12-06, 20:58

Is your method strictly calorie based, then?

nocarbs4gj

Sat, May-13-06, 11:57

Getting lipstick to stay on after one of those greasy meals is always interesting. You may discover a silver lining here:automatic savings on expensive dept store moisturizers.

Absolutely! And I am the lipstick queen, let me tell you. The last thing I do before I go to sleep at night is put on lipstick. I cannot stand the way my lips feel without it. I have a tube in my pocket, on the nightstand, on my desk at work, in the car, and in my purse at all times. Is that insane, or what?

My skin has never looked better. I wear the cheapest makeup money can buy, but because my skin is in such good shape now, the makeup doesn't look cheap. In fact, a woman came up to me two days ago and complimented me on my makeup and just stood and stared. What a feeling. I'm not used to getting many compliments lately, except from my husband.

nocarbs4gj

Sat, May-13-06, 12:03

I found this on another thread. A great article about why high fat meats are better than watching sodium intake for bringing down high blood pressure.http://www.medpagetoday.com/Endocrinology/AACE/tb/3196

Excellent article, Santabarb. Thank you for posting that. Isn't it nice to see something that corroborates what we believe to be true? Fat is where it's at. Eat fat to get flat...and to reduce blood pressure.

JandLsMom

Sat, May-13-06, 12:36

Lost 4.4 lbs in 3 days doing the M/E fast!!! my weight is 257.8 this morning..im in shock!

kwikdriver

Sat, May-13-06, 13:05

Is your method strictly calorie based, then?

No, but I don't fool around and kid myself that calories are unimportant. My method, such as it is, is not to eat anything starchy or sugary except occasional fruit, and to have a caloric deficit every day. It's simple and relatively worry free. I record everything I eat, but I don't count or worry about carbs, and while I sort of count calories, in the sense that I care about how many I eat, I haven't worried about calories in a while, basically since I let myself go and discovered that, even eating as much as I wanted, I couldn't eat all that much, as long as I stuck to clean low carb. I'm not sure I would recommend this to everyone, though. I'm still pretty big, and a man, which give me a metabolic advantage right now. I assume that as I lose down I'll get to the point where I have to start paying closer attention to calories. Every once in a while I think about restricting calories now, and decide it's less of a bother to just do more exercise instead. :lol:

santabarb

Sat, May-13-06, 15:35

santabarb

Sat, May-13-06, 20:57

A friend was visiting our home and we got to extolling the virutes of old time meat and vegetable broths, because of the minerals. His grandfather from either Ireland or Wales boiled meat and drank the broth throughout the week and lived to be strong and long lived. (Yes, an experiment of one). Here's a link you might enjoy perusing on broth.
http://www.townsendletter.com/FebMarch2005/broth0205.htm
Here's another from Weston Price with more of a culinary angle.
http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/broth.html

BawdyWench

Sun, May-14-06, 09:56

Today's menu:
Breakfast: 2 HB egg; 1 T mayonnaise (2 carbs)
Snack: 1 cold Atkins Advantage shake mixed with cold decaf coffee(2 carbs)
Lunch: 4 shortribs
Snack: cup of tea
Dinner: Broth from beef short ribs, fat skimmed off
About 4 carbs total (allowing 1 carb each for eggs)

Am I just too high in calories here, or what's the reason for the stall? Any input from anyone at all would be much appreciated. Calorie deficits in the past have made me gain weight because my metabolism is highly resistant.
Maybe it's just me, but that doesn't look like enough to keep a fly alive! Too many calories? How many calories could that possibly be?

I just checked Fitday. Two eggs and mayo is about 240 calories. Four small beef short ribs is 525 calories. I'm guessing around 180 for the shake, and the broth is nothing. That comes to 945 calories! Unless I'm way off on these numbers, that's way too low. You can really mess up your metabolism by eating so little, which could be a reason for your stall.

Of course, that's just my opinion. I'm no stellar example of how to do things right, after all.

What do you think?

santabarb

Sun, May-14-06, 22:25

Maybe it's just me, but that doesn't look like enough to keep a fly alive! Too many calories? How many calories could that possibly be?

I just checked Fitday. Two eggs and mayo is about 240 calories. Four small beef short ribs is 525 calories. I'm guessing around 180 for the shake, and the broth is nothing. That comes to 945 calories! Unless I'm way off on these numbers, that's way too low. You can really mess up your metabolism by eating so little, which could be a reason for your stall.

Of course, that's just my opinion. I'm no stellar example of how to do things right, after all.

What do you think?
Wow! I guess I am forced to resort to crunching numbers after all. I thought I was probably way too high, because it seems like a lot compared to what lynnpp and others are eating on 'meat and eggs' thread.
But you've shown me that that I need a wake up call if I'm going to keep low carbing. It certainly would be dumb to wreak further havoc with my already iffy metabolism. Thanks for your response.

nocarbs4gj

Mon, May-15-06, 08:33

Lost 4.4 lbs in 3 days doing the M/E fast!!! my weight is 257.8 this morning..im in shock!

Holy cow! Way to go! :thup:

nocarbs4gj

Mon, May-15-06, 08:43

nocarbs-- :yum: Do you have stock in l'oreal? :yum:
JandLsmom--Certainly my blood pressure is cool--111/72 this morning. In February (3 mos ago) I was hitting 155/90
And--awesome poundage drop there. Can you teach me your secrets???
Congratulations! :hyper: :hyper: :hyper:
kwikdriver--Counting makes me nervous, makes me feel boxed in usually. But so far, not counting is not getting me anywhere very fast!

Today's menu:
Breakfast: 2 HB egg; 1 T mayonnaise (2 carbs)
Snack: 1 cold Atkins Advantage shake mixed with cold decaf coffee(2 carbs)
Lunch: 4 shortribs
Snack: cup of tea
Dinner: Broth from beef short ribs, fat skimmed off
About 4 carbs total (allowing 1 carb each for eggs)

Am I just too high in calories here, or what's the reason for the stall? Any input from anyone at all would be much appreciated. Calorie deficits in the past have made me gain weight because my metabolism is highly resistant.

Unfortunately, I don't have any stock in cosmetic companies, but I could probably retire if I did. :D Your blood pressure is awesome, though.

Wow - your menu looks like hardly any calories at all. Were you not hungry at all? I think I would starve.

I don't like to count either. I do count the carbs, and I monkey around with mayonnaise and butter to keep my fat content high, but that's it. Most days I'm under 2000 calories, though. I can see some difference in the mirror from one week to the next, even if the scales don't reflect much of a change. I assume the scales will catch up eventually.

nocarbs4gj

Mon, May-15-06, 08:49

santabarb

Mon, May-15-06, 12:41

Thanks, Bawdy and nocarb--
I'll mend my ways and put mind brain in gear to up the fat calories. Actually, since my husband wants to get going on Anchell Steak Lover's Diet, I'll try keeping him company, but avoid bananas for the most part and keep potatoes quite low (until we can't stand it any longer...or if I find no weight loss I'll drop out, of course!)
I really appreciate your feedback.

BawdyWench

Mon, May-15-06, 19:10

Can I say this without getting flamed? OK, I'll be brave. I kind of like having a small serving of potatoes again. It fills me up like "green" veggies never did.

Anyway, I'm enjoying this. We'll see where it takes me in a week or so, but for now, I'm enjoying it!

kwikdriver

Mon, May-15-06, 19:15

I'd flame you Bawdy, but the second half of your signature has me scared. :devil:

Personally, eating potatoes or anything like them is too dangerous for me. I know where I would probably end up, and it wouldn't be a pleasant place. So if you like potatoes and can eat them, more power to you. Just don't shoot me. :)

santabarb

Mon, May-15-06, 21:03

Well, Bawdy, you could take a peek at the Anchell thread and it's got a lot of what your NP is after--what's cool is the pyruvate pathways(not 100% sure about that, but I think that's what I read) are doing the job, not, in fact, low carb. Presumably you'd lose weight eating those nice little potatoes with Irish butter, a happy thought. :yum:

JandLsMom

Wed, May-17-06, 12:53

Yes, I agree with Bawdy here. Too few calories will absolutely kill you on a low-carb plan.

ok..lets clarify here! what IS tooo low of calories...i want to aim for as low of cals as possible without it doing damage..just helping me lose fast. Hows 1500 cals sound?? does that seem high enough to not hurt me??? lets vote!

santabarb

Wed, May-17-06, 13:03

I will abstain, as I am not expert enough on caloric matters. I could have sworn Atkins had a list in one of his books, or Fitday should?

kwikdriver

Wed, May-17-06, 13:23

ok..lets clarify here! what IS tooo low of calories...i want to aim for as low of cals as possible without it doing damage..just helping me lose fast. Hows 1500 cals sound?? does that seem high enough to not hurt me??? lets vote!

You are going to hear about a billion different things about this, as everyone seems to have an opinion. I can tell you what current science says, which is that the fastest weight loss is with a caloric deficit of between 600 and 1000 a day, and that there is no such thing as "hurting yourself" by eating too little, as long as you are getting sufficient nutrients. People talk about "starvation mode," but there is no evidence it exists. People talk about hurting your metabolism by yo yo dieting, but there's no evidence that happens. There is some evidence that people lose about as quickly on 800 calories as they do on 1200 calories, at least for short periods of time. If I were you, I'd stick to 1200 - 1500 calories, as long as that is comfortable for you, while making sure you are getting enough nutrients. But really, one of the advantages of starting out with a lot of weight to lose is that you don't have to worry so much about exact calculations. If you are eating a clean, low carb diet, you are almost certainly at a caloric deficit and will lose. It's when you get closer to your ideal weight that you have to start worrying about fine tuning your calories.

BawdyWench

Wed, May-17-06, 15:11

I tend to agree with Kwikdriver. I don't think there's a magic number. On the other hand, I think part of my problem is that I was putting too much stress on my body by working out so hard and then not giving my body the fuel it needed to rebuild.

And yet, if this were true, concentration camp survivors would not have been the walking skeletons they were.

I just don't think it's as easy as any of us would like to think. We're all humans, and yet each of our bodies reacts differently to different stimuli. Why else would one person stay stick thin on a high-carb way of eating, and others of us would balloon up in no time on the same diet?

Ultimately, we all need to find what works for each of us, individually. Right now, I'm kind of liking the Anchell thing -- limited choices, which I'm totally good with, lots of meat and fat, no heavy emphasis on green veggies, etc.

santabarb

Wed, May-17-06, 16:31

I got 'creative' with my red grapefruit and braised it in the pan in which I had cooked my meat and then added cinnamon to it and braised it again. It came out soft and warm and sweet with complex flavors. And yet it was part of my Anchell 'limited choices.'
I'm trying to use MyPlan to figure out what I'm eating on Anchell, but it's not working well for me. Do you guys all concur on Fitday?

BawdyWench

Wed, May-17-06, 16:55

I've been told by my NP to stay away from Fitday and all the weighing and measureing, so I have no clue.

santabarb

Wed, May-17-06, 23:37

Tell me if you come up with any cool ways to cook up the Pennington/Anchell foods. The book I got mentions cooking pears in the pork chop drippings for a pork and pear dish..

JandLsMom

Thu, May-18-06, 10:54

i found out my MBR is 2300 cals a day. The site says for weight loss to go between 500-1000 cals under MBR. That means 1300-1800 is weight loss for me! Makes sense! For awhile i was averaging 1800 cals a day and that produced about 2 lbs weight loss per week. When i go below 1500 a day it is usually 3 lbs a week or more! I am going to try and stick between 1300-1600 and see how that works out for me!! yesterday my cals were 1549 and i woke up 1 lb lighter today...yippee!!

nocarbs4gj

Thu, May-18-06, 12:36

I'm trying to use MyPlan to figure out what I'm eating on Anchell, but it's not working well for me. Do you guys all concur on Fitday?

I use Fitday, although I am starting to use it less and less to record food. I am using it more just to track my weight now.

I've never heard of the Pennington/Anchell plan. Oh boy -- new reasons to surf the internet!

JandLsMom

Thu, May-18-06, 15:04

i tried MY PLAN and it was just too complicated i thought. I use fitday and once you get the hang of it and put all your custom foods in..its a breeze!!

kwikdriver

Thu, May-18-06, 15:10

i tried MY PLAN and it was just too complicated i thought. I use fitday and once you get the hang of it and put all your custom foods in..its a breeze!!

Once I got used to MyPlan, I preferred it to Fitday. It's more powerful and accurate.

Congrats on your success, by the way! Been meaning to post that. :)

santabarb

Thu, May-18-06, 15:57

Yippee, JandLsMoM on 1 pound less, yes!!!! Plus you figured out something technical that helps give you a handle on things--always good. What site was it on?

CGraff

Fri, May-19-06, 14:53

nocarbs4gj,
have you checked out the thread on the Anchell diet?
forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=295008

unitydkn

Fri, May-19-06, 17:49

I'm back....did anyone miss me?..I drove my boys to disneyland and back...we will not talk about what I ate while gone only what I am eating now, as driving for 12 hours at a time and having very little money to feed 4 people does not make it easy to be good. It was not my idea to go but Dads,who flew down to meet us,so I was the only driver. It took 2 days for the swelling to go down in my ankels....
anyhow I will be fat only for 2 days than back to a good diet

santabarb

Fri, May-19-06, 22:46

Hi, Unity--
Long time no see. Hard to eat right on the road for sure. If your ankles swell, I guess you have to drink plenty of water and keep moving. This thread is fairly quiet these days.

nocarbs4gj

Sat, May-20-06, 14:35

nocarbs4gj,
have you checked out the thread on the Anchell diet?
forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=295008

Yes, CGraff, I did find it. Haven't read it in its entirety, but it's very interesting. I think I'm gonna stick with my levEl 1 of the old version of Atkins for now, but if something goes awry, I might look further into it. Thanks for posting the link.

JandLsMom

Mon, May-22-06, 14:01

eating about 1500 cals a day..i have lost 2 lbs in the last 5 days! (wed mornings are my official weigh in days)..hopefully by wed another lb will be gone and ill have a 3 lb loss this week!

santabarb

Mon, May-22-06, 15:34

eating about 1500 cals a day..i have lost 2 lbs in the last 5 days! (wed mornings are my official weigh in days)..hopefully by wed another lb will be gone and ill have a 3 lb loss this week!
JandLsMom--
You're doing it! Wowee! I imagine the endorphins of happiness are really kicking in!!!

nocarbs4gj

Tue, May-23-06, 11:13

I'm glad somebody has endorphins of happiness. Exactly how long can I stay in deep ketosis according to the ketostix and still not see a difference on the scales? This is starting to get sooooooo annoying. I'm eating a lot more today (fat and protein, of course) just to keep myself from giving in to frustration-related temptation.

I swear I could eat a half-pound of M&Ms along with a Mt. Dew right now. The only reason I couldn't handle a pound right now is that I just ate.

Damn this weight thing. (heavy, heavy sigh...and a bit of a growl)

BawdyWench

Wed, May-24-06, 12:06

I'm glad somebody has endorphins of happiness.
Anyone know where I can buy some of these for myself?

;)

nocarbs4gj

Wed, May-24-06, 12:16

Walmart or Walgreens maybe? For me, it would probably be in the candy aisle. hee hee

JandLsMom

Wed, May-24-06, 12:21

I lost 6.2 lbs this week!!!! Today is my official wed weigh in and i weighed 254.6 this morning!! (last wed i weighed 260.8)!! WOOO HOOOO!!

nocarbs4gj

Wed, May-24-06, 12:22

Way to go, JandLsMom.

BawdyWench

Wed, May-24-06, 12:22

Woo hoo!!!!!! Congrats!!!!!!

Now send that High-Fat Whoosh Fairy over here!

JandLsMom

Wed, May-24-06, 15:27

*sending out all the whoosh fairies siblings to all my friends*

kwikdriver

Wed, May-24-06, 16:40

I lost 6.2 lbs this week!!!! Today is my official wed weigh in and i weighed 254.6 this morning!! (last wed i weighed 260.8)!! WOOO HOOOO!!

You are really doing spectacularly well. Making me jealous, in fact :)

Keep it up -- gives me something to shoot at, I mean, for. ;)

santabarb

Wed, May-24-06, 20:43

I lost 6.2 lbs this week!!!! Today is my official wed weigh in and i weighed 254.6 this morning!! (last wed i weighed 260.8)!! WOOO HOOOO!!
More endorphins of happiness for JandLsMom!!!!

nocarbs4gj

Fri, May-26-06, 09:32

Okay, I have a question for you guys regarding my ketostix results.

They have been turning purple on a daily basis -- not the very darkest shade, but anywhere from moderate to heavy ketone production. I read somewhere on the internet something that made my heart sink. It said that the stix can turn purple from either stored body fat or dietary fat.

Since I consume 65% or more of my calories in fat, does this mean that I'm not necessarily burning my own stored body fat? I have not lost any pounds in the past couple of weeks, so I am wondering if the ketostix have not been telling me what I thought they were telling me.

What do you guys think? I will also post this question on a new thread under general low-carb.

BawdyWench

Fri, May-26-06, 17:13

In my opinion, I think everyone should just throw away those stupid sticks. I bought them at first, just like everyone else. I never once registered any color at all, not even the lightest pink possible, and yet I still lost 40 pounds.

Other people will probably have different opinions.

JandLsMom

Sun, May-28-06, 02:28

i agree with Bawdy! ditch the stupid sticks..they are worse than the scale..too addictive..lol
i used them my first 2 weeks only. If your losing then your losing..if your not..readjust your menu..the stixs turn purple if they are in the shower..lol

nocarbs4gj

Sun, May-28-06, 18:29

Yeah, I think I'm gonna toss 'em. I'm almost finished with the container I have, and I'll just not buy anymore.

I am going to start taking pictures of myself in the buff, as scary as that sounds. Don't worry -- I won't post them in the gallery. ha ha I'm going to use this as part of my "proof is in the pudding" approach to measuring success. I just don't trust myself to measure accurately. And my memory is getting a little questionable, so this is a sure-fire way to "measure" success every couple of weeks or so. Does anyone else do this?

BawdyWench

Mon, May-29-06, 09:03

I took a series of "undies" pictures once, when I thought I looked pretty good. Not so, said the camera.

Does anyone else watch "What Not to Wear"? It always amazes me that these people think they look good ... until they see themselves on camera the way others see them.

Pictures are probably a good reminder, especially when you've reached goal. They're a visual reminder of how far you've come.

I haven't weighed myself in months. I know I've gained a bit more (I'm probably over 170 now). My best measurement is the way a couple pairs of pants fit after coming out of the dryer. The "jeans-o-meter."

JandLsMom

Mon, May-29-06, 12:34

Yes i watch "what not to wear" love that show..lol

I havent taken nekkid pics...but i have taken pics of my face, arms, stomach along the way! Pictures DO show the loss!! I am glad this time along i thought to take pics every couple of weeks. It helps keep me motivated. Sometimes i cant see the loss when i look in the mirror..but i can see it when i compare one pic to another taken at the same angle!

MollyW8

Mon, Jun-05-06, 22:35

I've read through some of the posts on this thread and love the idea of a "no rules" thread!
I'm back to LC after being on weight watchers since Christmas. Dont know why I ever stopped LC. I'm the same weight and size as I was when I left in December. I'm really ready to lose this weight. First goal is 165. I'm eating all low carb, trying to get all carbs from veggies, high fat salad dressings (like Litehouse brand) and an occasional La Tortilla Factory tortilla. I cant count carbs or calories. I get too obsessive about it all and then if I go over on carbs or calories look to high I feel like a complete failure for the day. So, no counting for me, just low carbing my way to better health and weight loss.

Since you were posting menus, I'd like to post my dinner for tonight. I made a new recipe for chicken that reminds me of the Alice Springs Chicken from the Outback.

Chicken Breasts (I've been cooking the Costco frozen ones)
Mix together in a bowl some dijon mustard, a little mayo, a little olive oil, a little lemon juice and a bit of honey.
Spread about half the mixture on the chicken breasts reserving the other half till later. (drop the sauce on each breast, then smear, dont put the spoon back in the sauce after it's touched the chicken)
Bake till done (chicken should be 165). I usually bake on 375 for half hour or so, depends.
While chicken is baking, melt some butter (or use olive oil) in a pan and add fresh sliced mushrooms, sliced onion and crumbled bacon (I buy pre-sliced shrooms and the big bag of bacon from Costco). Saute this till shrooms are soft.
When the chicken is about done take it out and spread on the rest of the sauce then cook till done. Take out the chicken an top with shroom mixture and shredded colby-jack cheese. Return to oven to melt cheese (broil at the end).
YUMMY!
We ate it with sauted broccoli and yellow squash.

BawdyWench

Tue, Jun-06-06, 04:49

Greetings from the "No Rules" Gang! I hate counting all those blasted things. When I had my best success -- of course, it was also my first time at LC, so that changes things somewhat -- I was following Protein Power. All I did was count carbs, and made sure they were divided up during the day. I did 7 - 10 carbs at breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and had two 5-carb snacks. Lots of protein. For one thing, I think limiting to 7 - 10 carbs per meal teaches you portion control. BTW, with Protein Power the first stage is called Intervention, and you have 30 carbs a day.

Gotta run. Late for work!

JandLsMom

Tue, Jun-06-06, 12:28

I'm back! i lost my motivation..tried a stupid lo-cal diet for 3 days..ate my fill of cheerios and yogurt..got bored of it..back to induction..live and learn..lol..i missed my fat!

YAY FOR FAT!!!

nocarbs4gj

Tue, Jun-06-06, 13:47

Most people would probably freak, but I've been eating the "franken" foods the last few days to get my fat content up even higher than usual. Here is my menu for today:

B: an avocado
Snack: Another avocado (Yes, I am addicted.)
Lunch: 2 beef franks, a partial serving of smoked sausage
Dinner: 3 eggs, 3 pieces bacon
Beverages: Water, water, and water

Total Calories: 1727
Total Carbs: 33 grams
Fiber: 17 grams
Net Carbs: 16
Fat/Protein/Carb ratio: 84%/12%/4%

I have the appetite from hell compared to a lot of people, even when I'm eating fat.

santabarb

Tue, Jun-06-06, 15:51

Does salt salt your appetite? It can mine. Hebrew National and Nathan's are the best franks I've found on the supermarket. Kosher is kool when it comes to sausages.

nocarbs4gj

Tue, Jun-06-06, 15:56

I have seen the Hebrew National and Nathan's, but I haven't tried them. When I run out of what I have now, I will give them a whirl.

JandLsMom

Mon, Jun-19-06, 12:18

well this has been a month from hell..looking back at this thread...4 weeks ago i was down to 254.6

Today i am 258.6.....i gained 4 lbs in the last month...sigh!
I have been slipping, falling, getting up, falling..mostly falling! This past month has been lots of carb binges and losing my motivation! I'm lucky i didnt gain even more!

I am back starting over today...back to induction flu, back to having to fight through the cravings to get started. IT SUCKS!
i NEED you guys! I need motivation! I need to DO THIS or a month from now i will be back in the 260's and i dont WANT that to happen!!

Please come back..lets talk about this great FAT we are allowed to eat!! Give me some inspiration will ya??? I don't want to get fatter and fatter..i want to EAT FAT..he he!!

We can do this!!! Lets do it together!

JandLsMom

Wed, Jun-21-06, 18:12

WEll..i found my motivation. I am on day 3 of successful induction. i already lost 2 lbs in the first 2 days back..down to 256.6 as of this morning! woohoo!

BawdyWench

Sat, Jun-24-06, 09:12

Two pounds?!?!?!?!! YIPPEE!!!!!!!! You're doing great! Just keep it up and don't look back.

I do believe eating fat and protein is the best thing we can do. I've been off veggies for probably a couple months now, and feel fine. When I do sneak some veggies or grains in, I get constipated right away. I have been eating a small portion of mashed potatoes or sweet potato with dinner, though, and it feels kind of nice to do that. I guess you could say that my experimenting never ends.

I've been extremely busy at work these past several weeks, which explains my absence from the boards. Tuesday we leave for Scotland, so I'll be AWOL again for a couple weeks.

How's everyone else doing?