Fat's Where It's At!

[sunrise02]

Said he ate around 5000 calories when doing strenuous ballet. Funny, I keep getting this visual of a burly guy in a tutu, and yet at 140 pounds, he can hardly be "burly"!

It's so scary to up the calories so high, isn't it? I've been trying to keep them down around 1200 to 1400 for so long, and feeling really guilty if I let them creep up to 1600 or (gasp!) 1800 or more!

Maybe (probably) Bear is right about all the social conditioning. Tough to rise above, though.

Teehee--either way--the mental image made me laugh right out loud! He comes across so "gruff" but as you say, must be a man of slight build.

Yes, the calorie thing is daunting. I am working my way past the "low fat brainwashing" for now. Maybe I will make it to calories next.

The more I read--the more I worry about not consuming ENOUGH calories. To this point, I have not found what balance will keep my mind and body happy.

I have constant contradictory thoughts! If my calorie count is say, 1200 or so-- one moment I think--"Oh good! That means I burned more than I ate today!" The next moment---I am filled with fear that "Oh no--I probably didn't eat enough and my metabolism will shut down. And, Oh my--I'll probably sacrifice muscle tone, too!"

SO--on and on it goes! Back to moderation--for now--I will try for the 1400-1700 range and hope for the best!

oh yeah--for today (my appetite was down today--way down yesterday--947 cals--boo!)

B: b’fast brownies
S: coffee w/cream
L: pepperoni/cream cheese rollups
S: Choc Bawdy Bites
D: roasted chicken with drippings
Percentages: 78/19/03
Cals: 1345

Hope everyone had a really great day!
S

[vernalmom]

Could one of you post the link to Bear's thread? Thanks

[unitydkn]

http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=287013&page=1&pp=30
but is 33 pages long

[santabarb]

Yes, the calorie thing is daunting. I am working my way past the "low fat brainwashing" for now. Maybe I will make it to calories next.

I have constant contradictory thoughts! If my calorie count is say, 1200 or so-- one moment I think--"Oh good! That means I burned more than I ate today!" The next moment---I am filled with fear that "Oh no--I probably didn't eat enough and my metabolism will shut down. And, Oh my--I'll probably sacrifice muscle tone, too!"

SO--on and on it goes!
S

Been there. Done that. I am there and doing that daily--conundrums! Like: Do I open windows and allow the pollen and pollution in, or do I keep them closed and inhale formaldehyde and other pollutants lurking in pergo floors, furniture, etc. ?

I have shut my metabolism down on very restrictive eating plans, so I do know it happens for sure. WW says not too low or high gets the weight down.

[unitydkn]

I am not keeping track of how much I eat as I am only eating M/E this week but I am trying to eat at every chance I get ...my wieght has never been about to many cal's no matter what those people say!I am trying to increse my fat till it starts to make me ill....next week fitday

found the irish butter but will try it tomorrow.BW what is your favorite way to have it...I can't get lobster...my writing must drive you nuts but my strong suit is math

[unitydkn]

all right I cheated and had some port...2.5 oz I was only going to have 2 but didn't want to leave 1/2 oz in the bottle...7.5 carbs and right before bed too...shame!!!
I did take an hour to drink it with the tv off so I could savor it

[ChicknLady]

Unity- try some merlot! Just 1 carb per ounce, so is as close to a LCers wine that you get get. And I recall it's got a pretty good wallop of antioxidants.

Bear kinda sounds like a grumpy old man, who, at 71, and who has lead such a colorful life, I think has still deserved our respect. I envision an old greybeard who is trying to keep patience with us young-un's, and slips up sometimes. But, you gotta give him credit, he does apologize when he feels he's ruffled some feathers.

No food today yet!

[BawdyWench]

Unity, glad you're here. You seem much more "vocal" than you were on the other thread. Did you get scared away by some of the posters? I know I did, which is why I don't post there anymore. One person in particular slapped my wrist a couple times, and I most definitely did not appreciate it.

Your writing? Don't worry about it. Writing online is different, and must be looked at it a different way. The only thing that really bothers me about how people write online is when it's all just one big paragraph. So hard on the eyes. I have to admit that I often skip over paragraphs that are overly long. Bear does that, and I find it very hard to read. Sometimes, though, when I really want to read what was written, I'll copy it into Word and put my own paragraph endings in. Weird, huh?

Oh, and on my PC, Bear's post is almot 60 pages long! We must have our settings different.

As for the Irish butter, I put it on everything I can think of. Like if I bake some chicken or get rotisserie chicken/turkey from the grocery store, I'll put a couple good tablespoons on the plate and dip the meat into it. Same with steak. Definitely try frying your eggs in butter, and then melt more on top after taking them out of the pan.

Did you guys see Bear's recipe for the cheese egg-wich? Or was it the egg cheese-wich? Regardless, I'm trying it for breakfast this morning.

Barb, WW says the calories can't be too high or too low. Gee, now THAT clarifies things! I hear you, though, on shutting down the metabolism on restrictive eating plans. I'm beginning to think this is what the problem is with me. Too many times of too much restriction. Repeated, but not constant.

And I say, throw those windows open wide! Pollen, at least, is a natural irritant. Formaldehyde is not (or is it?) -- at least it's not when evolving from Pergo floors!

Chickie, Bear does sound grumpy, but then he's been arguing the same things for 47 years! I was the same way when I first discovered LC eating. I'd gotten religion! I told everyone about it. I argued with everyone. Now, not so much. I'm tired of arguing. Definitely he deserves respect, though he does come on a bit strong. I was cringing after my recent posts there, hoping he wouldn't yell at me! He didn't. Phew!

I am going to start eating more. Even though my calories are around 1800, here's a typical day:
Breakfast: 2 oz cream cheese, 1 Tbsp heavy cream, 1 egg, teaspoon Splenda

Snack: small coconut bar

Lunch: 4 oz hamburger patty with 1 oz cheese

Snack: 1/2 can tuna with 2 Tbsp Miracle Whip

Dinner: 5 oz meat (chicken, beef, etc.) with butter (ok, I'll 'fess up, AND 2 glasses Cabernet)
That's not really much to eat, even though the calories add up. I could easily double everything, but wouldn't 3600 calories be a bit much?

Strangely enough, I've gained 2 pounds recently. How the heck can that be? I guess the only thing I haven't tried is just listening to my body, eating only fat and meat. Bear advises against peanut butter and coconut. I looked at the peanut butter (and other nuts) as alternative protein sources, but he frowns on that -- not that he's right or wrong, I just don't know. They all have carbs, that's for sure.

Maybe it's time to cut out ALL carbs. I'm almost finished with the quadruple batch of coconut bars. As soon as they're gone, no more.

If only this were easy, huh? :rolleyes:

[Bobi-p]

In the MyP.L.A.N. part of this site, there is a place where it charts out the amount of calories necessary per day. At my weight, it says I should be consuming about 1325 calories a day. I just checked Fitday and that's exactly what I have been eating without actually counting them! So, I guess theBear is correct on that aspect, the body knows what it needs! Amazing!

[BawdyWench]

Did you guys see Bear's recipe for the cheese egg-wich? Or was it the egg cheese-wich? Regardless, I'm trying it for breakfast this morning.
OK, this didn't work at all. Let's think about it for a moment. Melt some butter in a fry pan. Crack a couple eggs, and pour them in, and break the yolks. Now cook bit. Top with some cheese and then break another coupld eggs over that and break the yolks. For one thing, the second set of eggs slid down over the cheese and puddled around the edges.

Now here's the "scratch your head" part. The bottom eggs are still cooking, the top eggs not at all. He says to now flip it carefully. Huh? How do you flip raw eggs carefully and have them be at the bottom of the stack?

And, more to the point .... isn't this just a cheese omelette? Except a lot harder to do?

[vernalmom]

Thanks unitydkn.

[miristar]

.... isn't this just a cheese omelette? Except a lot harder to do?

Oh my... I'm so glad to have seen a bunch of your postings... you made me laugh. Logic, they weren't expecting LOGIC! I love people who can actually think.

Sounds just like a cheese omelete to me too - except I beat the eggs more before they hit the pan.

BTW, what are coconut bars?

[BawdyWench]

BTW, what are coconut bars?
See posts #23 and #86 of this thread. I finally put the remainder of mine in the freezer (again) so I can do pure meat and egg and fat to see if it makes any difference.

By the way, do I categorize wine as "meat" or "egg" or "fat"?

:lol:

[miristar]

Thanks, I have copied out the coconut bars for a later date, after the m&e or as I am amused to call it, med! (meat & egg & dairy)

[unitydkn]

Unity, glad you're here. You seem much more "vocal" than you were on the other thread. Did you get scared away by some of the posters? I know I did, which is why I don't post there anymore. One person in particular slapped my wrist a couple times, and I most definitely did not appreciate it.


By the way, do I categorize wine as "meat" or "egg" or "fat"?

:lol:
I was so sick from dairy that I was not eating at all some days so I was really not caring about lo carb anymore. Doctors could not find what was wrong,finelly I realized the only thing I was even getting in me was cream(breve') so I stoped eating any dairy and started eating anything else usally fruit,till I could eat right,now I and only eating M/E till I get my fat much higher then will add some other stuff in............when I lost weight the first time on PP there were no frankin foods to get me and weight loss went real fast

I am trying to only have port on 2 days a week 2 oz each...maybe give yourself a weekly oz limit? or every other/third day

[santabarb]

OK, this didn't work at all. Let's think about it for a moment. Melt some butter in a fry pan. Crack a couple eggs, and pour them in, and break the yolks. Now cook bit. Top with some cheese and then break another coupld eggs over that and break the yolks. For one thing, the second set of eggs slid down over the cheese and puddled around the edges.

Now here's the "scratch your head" part. The bottom eggs are still cooking, the top eggs not at all. He says to now flip it carefully. Huh? How do you flip raw eggs carefully and have them be at the bottom of the stack?

And, more to the point .... isn't this just a cheese omelette? Except a lot harder to do?


Ha,ha! You had me laughing outloud on this one, Bawd. I'm guessing that The Bear (the mysterious bear to me) did not attend the Cordon Bleu Culinary School :lol: ...am I right? Thanks for the laughter. You are quite the wit.

[JandLsMom]

i tried Bears cheese egg-wich too. My eggs slid also and ended up a big mess...BUT...i loved it..that chili powder made for an interesting flavor..and though it is similiar to an omelet..the consistency was different..i liked it..even though it didnt seem egg-wich like..atleast not mine..i think my fryin pan was too big! i still recommend it though!

This is day 2 of meat, eggs and fat..and i must say..im a little grumpy and i am CRAVING stuff i shouldnt be..i imagine..just like when i started induction..i am going through like a Meat flu type thing...i know i will feel better in a few days..i did last time after a few days on M/E...but these first couple days suck!

[Honeyrose]

Hey everyone! Just letting you know I'm still hanging in there and going strong. I've decided to start posting my stats just in case I'm not getting enough of...or too much of...something. My calories may not have been high enough today, but I'm just not that hungry today. I think it may be the high low carb. Either way, my legs are feeling great.

Total Calories: 1446
Fat 101
Carbs 23
Fiber 7
Protein 104
I usually have more fat than protein, but that didn't happen today.

Happy belated birthday Bawdy! :bday:

Also, I am drinking between 80 to 96 oz. of water per day. :thup:

[BawdyWench]

Good for you, Honeyrose! Remember, there are no rules here except those you impose on yourself.

For at least a few days (more if it feels right, and it probably will), I'm going to stop obsessing and just listen to my body. What a novel idea! I had two coconut bars this morning, and then put them in the freezer. The rest of the day was just meat, eggs, and a bit of cheese. No clue how many calories, fat grams, etc. Just winging it. The only carbs I had today (other than in the coconut bars, which are now "gone") were in the cheese in my cheese egg-wish (read: cheese omelette!) and in the Philly cheese and scant peanut butter and cream dish I had. I'm not going to throw out anything, and I can't imagine a tablespoon of all-natural, no sugar added, peanut butter a day will affect anything.

[sunrise02]

Welcome Back HoneyRose. Missed ya!

Today was scattered from the get go. Headed out early without eating (or planning!) Ended up with an Atkins shake at 11:00 and it was all hit and miss from there. But---surprisingly, only 1 % carbs at the end of day. I was really craving POPCORN at one point today. Wierd.

B: Atkins shake
S: cheddar cheese 1 oz
L: hot wings
S: cheddar cheese 1 oz
D: lc “stroganoff “ (leftover beef, some sc and canned 'shrooms)
Percentages: 69/31/01
Cals: 1730

Best to all, S

[JandLsMom]

i am drinking lots of water and the cravings have subsided!! whew!! i hate carb withdrawal! I am not putting my stuff into fitday anymore or looking at calories and fat grams and all that nonsense. I know this is a WOL and not a diet and that if i keep eating this way eventually the weight will come off. I am eating meat eggs and fat (butter, cream, cheese) and thats that! If i stick to this i know i will feel better and lose this weight. I am thinking of only weighing once every two weeks...which will be hard for me since i tend to jump on the scale atleast 3 times a week! I am sick of being a slave to the scale and the fitday stats! I know after 36 days of entering every morsel into fitday that my fat is around 70% everyday so i think its just where it needs to be. Well, i guess maybe i will weigh once a week atleast for now just to make sure i am losing..but after awhile if i continue to lose weekly i will weigh less often!! Sorry for blabbing on and on..im kinda thinking out loud here!
Did anyone see in Bears thread about Ambers Native American Grandfather that ate an all meat and fat diet his whole life and lived to be 101 with NO health problems, rode a horse till the day he died and he just fell asleep one night and didnt wake up...no heart attack, stroke, cancer...the man died in his sleep at 101 yrs old....simply amazing!

[ChicknLady]

Did anyone see in Bears thread about Ambers Native American Grandfather that ate an all meat and fat diet his whole life and lived to be 101 with NO health problems, rode a horse till the day he died and he just fell asleep one night and didnt wake up...no heart attack, stroke, cancer...the man died in his sleep at 101 yrs old....simply amazing!

This is exactly the reason I started LCing. I don't care if I set the Guinness record for longevity, but I'd love to live to a ripe old age and still be active and feeling good. My grandma lived to 86, but spent her last 15 years in her chair in front of the TV.... day after day after day, except for the days she was in the hospital for bipass surgery, knee replacements, catarac surgery. carotid artery surgery etc....

Cheeseburgers are my friend.

[santabarb]

Unfortunately, your grandmother sounds quite typical. Good for the Doctors' bank accounts, lousy for the rest of us.

It's great that you're fighting it, Beth.

[santabarb]

Question to Bawdy and Sunrise--

You seem to like your merlots, and what all. I'm curious what "the Bear" says about wine and other 'spirits,' have you spent enough time moseying around the thread to know?

Other than roasted meat and some cheesewiches or eggwiches, is there much else that is 'okay'?

[JandLsMom]

Question to Bawdy and Sunrise--

You seem to like your merlots, and what all. I'm curious what "the Bear" says about wine and other 'spirits,' have you spent enough time moseying around the thread to know?

Other than roasted meat and some cheesewiches or eggwiches, is there much else that is 'okay'?

i can answer this one. i just asked him about alcohol tonight. he is totally against it, says its high carb and liver damaging! i only have an occasional drink at a wedding or christmas or something, so it isnt a concern of mine!

Bear eats meat, seafood, cheese, cream, butter, macadamia oil, palm oil, coconut oil, spices..thats the gyst of it...that is what i am eating now! Bear is my hero! he drinks one cup of coffee in the morning also!

[ChicknLady]

I am thoroughly enjoying Bear's thread, but I do look at alot of what he says with suspicion. Especially when he starts going on about plants being more sentient or whatever than animals, and stuff like that. Of course you need to watch the calorie content of alcohol, but I still tend to believe the studies showing more benefit that negatives in light alcohol consumption. He apparently regularly smokes doobers, so you really gotta be careful what he says about some things.

[Bobi-p]

If my only vice is a glass or two of Merlot (or a bottle) on weekends, I'm not going to beat myself up over it. I had PM'd theBear several weeks ago about alcohol use, got his answer, same as JandL's, and decided...WTH! I choose to enjoy life and that includes occasional alcohol!

[sunrise02]

SantaBarb---Actually, (LOL) muscadine wine is my all time favorite! But, it has been so long right now, I would probably drink MD 20/20!! :lol:

I am of the belief that wine has some very good benefits, regardless of Bear's personal views. The reason they push the merlots, burgundys and other red wines is because of the high-levels of anti-oxidants in the form of resveratrol. It truly does provide anti-oxidant benefits, cardiac benefits, etc.

Fortunately for me, Muscadine wine has the highest level of resveratrol of any wines. Resveratrol is found in the SKINS of grapes rather than the flesh which explains why RED wine instead of WHITE wine. And, grape juice is not the same. The extraction levels has something to do with the fermentation process. The only prob with the muscadine wine is that the grapes are highly acidic and require lots of that evil sugar thing to make it so wonderful! Ok, prob TMI--I'll stop now.

For LC weight loss, I think DRIER wines are better.

Like everything else---prob a glass or two here and there are no big deal unless it creates cravings or is addictive.

A great day to all!

S

[sunrise02]

Nobody asked but--I was just thinking about "Bear's thread."

I take what Bear says with a grain of salt. Good information but a bit extreme from my perspective. I am glad it has worked for him.

THIS thread works for me. I appreciate that we can share info, opinons, experiences, etc., It is nice that there is a level of care and concern without conflict and controversy. I have enough of that stuff in my daily life without looking for it somewhere else!

For those that enjoy and are somehow energized by "stirring it up"--Have at it!

To paraphrase Mr. Rogers--"It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood! Let's be friends!" :wave:

[santabarb]

Yeah, this is a very good neighborhood, albeit somewhat confusing at times! Much like life! :lol:

[unitydkn]

I have been M/E for 6 days and I put a normal amount of salt on and it totally gagged me!! now I have to finish it but next time I will take a bite before I salt

[BawdyWench]

I also agree that I don't agree with everything Bear says. I also think wine/spirits are ok in moderation. Heck, how many brain cells do you think he's killed smoking those funny cigarettes of his?

Cabernet and Bordeaux are my favorite reds. Whites I drink typically in the summer, but sometimes in the winter, too. But I prefer the reds. Medoc is one of my absolute favorites. Right now I'm enjoying a case (not all at once, mind you!) of Wolf Blass Yellow Label Cabernet. It was on sale for $2 off each bottle (bringing it down to $9.99) plus, if you bought a case of Australian wine (even mixed bottles) you got 15% off the total. Not a bad deal!

Geez, I have a "wicked" (as they say in Maine) headache today. I've been having trouble with my workstation at work, causing me extreme pain in my neck, shoulder, and back. Been in physical therapy since before Christmas with not much relief. Yesterday he had me doing some different strength exercises for my neck, and I think we overdid it.

I had a lovely high-fat day. Breakfast was 4 eggs fried in butter, with more butter melted on top. Snack was cream cheese, heavy cream, a spoonful of SF peanut butter <sticking tongue out at Bear>, and a little Splenda. Lunch was a cubed steak fried in coconut oil and butter and slathered after with (you guessed it) more butter. Afternoon snack was going to be a hunk of brie, but the brand I bought this time tasted like plastic so I threw it out. Got home, had a couple swigs of heavy cream right from the carton. Soon I'll fry up a filet mignon in some coconut oil and top it with (all together now) BUTTER.

Boy, when I go back to this nurse practioner who wanted me to do Schwarzbein with 90 grams of carbs and no saturated fat, I'll have to learn to lie like a rug!

:lol:

[Bobi-p]

I had my black Starbuck's, home-brewed; my snack coffee, two large chicken thighs in garlic and lots of unsalted butter with Chef Prudhomme's no salt seasoning so far today. I am off to teach my evening class and I'll see if I'm hungry when I get home.
Isn't this a cheerful and supportive thread!

[BawdyWench]

Cheerful and supportive? Yea, I think so. Think maybe it's because there are no rules to adhere to, no one to say "you have to eat your veggies" and "where are your veggies"? I used to get so sick to death of hearing that. And then feeling guilty because I DIDN'T eat those veggies.

So does anyone remember early on in Bear's thread when he was talking about the vitamins and nutrients in veggies? He said something like there aren't as many as people think, and what IS there is hard for the human body to extract, so you're not actually GETTING as much as you think.

Did I remember that correctly?

Some day I'll re-read the whole thread. Some day.

[ChicknLady]

Maybe Bear said the nutrients are not as bio-available (now there's a word!) as stuff you get from animal parts. So like maybe you can get 20 mgs of vit C from a liver, and your body will absorb it all, but 20 mg from a carrott or whatever just runs right thru you. Plus, so much of the nutient content has been bred out of today's veggies.

BF:tea with CO and cream
snack: peanuts, beef stick
lunch: ham and cheese omlette
snack: beef stick, cheese
dinner: rotisserie chicken

[Honeyrose]

Yesterday I did a real no no! I bought some pepperoni and ate some right before going to bed. I mean sitting on the edge of my bed snacking before turning in. I wake up the next morning with really bad indigestion.

:cry: It was soooo bad I had to leave work early. It hurt when I'd bend down to pick something up or even lift. I'm thankful my supervisor was kind enough to let me take 1/2 vacation day. I took some Milk of Magnesia but I'm still dealing with it, although not as badly.

I knew better! I usually do not eat after 6 due to this acid reflux, but since I'd been feeling so much better lcing, I'd forgotten all about it. The last time I had a bout with indigestion was when I'd had too many bananas.

I slept most of the day then went to a Chinese buffet where I ate meat and just a few veggies. I'm going to visit this Bear's thread everyone's talking about so I can read about not eating veggies.

I'm glad to hear it' s no big deal not to eat them bc, while I do like them, it is a hassle trying to stay stocked with veggies and meat. I can eat eggs 24/7 so that's a plus! :thup:

JandLsmom: I am thinking of only weighing once every two weeks That's how often I'm trying to weigh also, bc your body fluctuates so much, the scales will have you frustrated. One day 2 lbs. down, the next day 1 lb. up. who needs that? :lol:

Hope everyone's had a great day! :wave:

[Bobi-p]

Cheerful and supportive? Yea, I think so. Think maybe it's because there are no rules to adhere to, no one to say "you have to eat your veggies" and "where are your veggies"? I used to get so sick to death of hearing that. And then feeling guilty because I DIDN'T eat those veggies.

So does anyone remember early on in Bear's thread when he was talking about the vitamins and nutrients in veggies? He said something like there aren't as many as people think, and what IS there is hard for the human body to extract, so you're not actually GETTING as much as you think.

Did I remember that correctly?

Some day I'll re-read the whole thread. Some day.

I seem to recall the same thing. Now, at almost 60, I have given myself permission to only eat what I want to eat and drink...finally!

[santabarb]

Would you mind telling me Who this bear is--what are his credentials? Where does he get his information?

How does he respond to the observation that while the Inuit and Australian Aborigines are surviving hunters, many other peoples of the world in fact did not focus so much on animal prey and yet they did not become obese and cardiac-impaired like we Americans. The globe seems heavily populated by comnivores who are OK.

One group who does not seem OK to me are the South Sea Islanders, who have subsisted too much on starchy root vegetables like taro and have probably interbred too much, thus developing a huge tendency to obesity and diabetes.

But then look at the Greeks, another island population, who are examplars of the Mediterranean diet--an omnivore diet if there ever was one--and they are esteemed for their good health.

I'd guess that fish is the healthiest protein for us all, but unfortunately we have fouled our own waters on this planet. Mercola says don't even eat fish because of the pollution levels, just purified fish oil. This is an unacceptable state of affairs environmentally.

[JandLsMom]

santabarb,
Bear's credentials: he has eaten a meat, egg, cheese and fat diet for 47 yrs with no vegetation.

Who is Bear: He is a 71 yr old man that used to be the sound technician for the Grateful Dead and was their financial benefactor who got them off the ground, as well as the designer of many of their album covers and the dead logo.

His thread is over in the Paleo forum, want the link? there are over 1,000 posts and about 200 of them are of Bear answering questions about his diet.

[santabarb]

Breakfast : chicken leg with mayo, because i did not have eggs in stock. Two tablespoons of oatmeal with cream.
Lunch: Caesar salad and Greek salad, pulled cheese off the top of a piece of pizza. Some chicken.
Dinner: Skirt steak, 2T brown rice, Dr. Praeger vegetable pattie.
Snack: Unsw. chocolate with cream, some stevia.
Reception for speaker: 2 cubes of cheese, 1 cracker, 4 grapes.

[sunrise02]

G'mornin' all, Well, I am off to Nashville to meet my daughter and to do the final preparations for the wedding!

LOL--Can you keep a secret for me? Before I go see the family and everyone--I just have to get it out of my system so I do not slip and say it . So, I can tell all of you, right?!

They are actually already married! They got married Valentine's Day :rheart: but did not tell anyone but me. I don't think they will tell anyone for at least a year! They are both wonderful and I could not be happier all the way around. But, they think his family might be mad if they knew.

So, now it is just a matter of the ceremony and the celebration. In some ways, it takes a lot of pressure off, I think!

I will be staying with friends, eating out, etc., so keep your fingers crossed that I will be able to maintain my 70/25/05 as closely as possible.

Yesterday:
B: protein shake coffee w/cream
S: pork rinds
L: lc “stroganoff “
S: atkins shake
D: steak and butter coffee w/cream (stayed up late!)
Percentages: 63/35/02
Cals: 2100

Well, thanks for listening--I 'll be checking in.

Hugs to all :bhug: :bhug: :bhug:

[unitydkn]

I got another card handed to me last night for some low fat diet...first what makes people think that because I am serving them that they can't hurt my feelings by calling me fat...like I need someone to tell me that.second it says on the door of the store no solicitation..no I don't want to by your diet thank you very much...the other thing that bothers me is people bringing up politics...I can get fired by talking about it,but people insist on going on & on:rolleyes:..never talk to your casher about politics:nono: ..K?:)
thanks Unity:D :D :wave:

[Honeyrose]

An honest confession... I totally blew it today. This morning I was badly in need of a hug and the only thing around was a candy bar so I ate it and it was down hill from there! :help:

Tomorrow is another day, I guess. I will make sure to do extra walking this weekend.

[unitydkn]

sorry ...not cranky anymore

[BawdyWench]

Unity, I bought Avon once from someone at work (actually, it was a contact this woman had, so I never really met the Avon lady). When the order came in, there was a new catalog included. Cool. Then I opened it up and all this little pamphlets and flyers fell out on religion. I called the district manager for Avon and told her I didn't appreciate receiving such materials and would not be ordering again. Apparently the woman who did it got a severe reprimand from the company.

I, too, hate all such solicitations.

Honeyrose, just pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and learn from what you did. We all stumble along the way. The important thing is to learn from it. Why did you go off course? Was it planned? Unintentional? How can you avoid doing it again?

I've been super strict with sticking to all fat, meat, and dairy. I've had a couple carbs every day -- mostly from the eggs and cheese. I've been eating maybe 3 to 4 ounces of cheese daily (mostly cream cheese). Also, I've had a tablespoon or two of SF peanut butter almost every day. Partly to use up the jar, and partly because ... well ... I don't see how it can hurt. I've also had a glass or two of wine most nights.

I've lost 2 pounds so far. Not so great. I can't see that the little bit of peanut butter or the wine could be preventing me from losing. I mean, there are a lot of people who lose while eating 90 to 100 grams of carbs a day. How can the less than 10 carbs a day be preventing loss for me?

Are my adrenals and hormones so messed up that THAT is what is preventing the loss? I've never had a problem like I'm having now.

So maybe it IS the wine. DH is leaving again tomorrow for a 5-day business trip. Maybe I should go 5 days without wine and see if it really does make a difference. That's the only way I'll know, right?

Food yesterday:

Breakfast: 4 eggs over easy, 2 Tbsp butter melted over top, coffee with 2 Tbsp heavy cream and a bit of Splenda

Snack: 3 oz cream cheese, 2 Tbsp SF peanut butter, 2 Tbsp heavy cream, teaspoon splenda

Lunch: Wendy's triple burger with cheese (no bun or veggies), 2 Tbsp butter

Dinner: 4 oz (approx.) ham with 2 Tbsp butter

Lots of butter, huh? I don't know how else to get the fat in without relying too much on cheese. I'm not crazy about coconut oil. I've tried frying with it, and it's ok. I think about the only way I'm going to get it down is to make coconut bars (minus the shredded coconut) or chocolate bark. But then I'm taking in more Splenda, which I also don't really want to do.

WHY ISN'T THIS EASY?!?!?!??!!?!?

[ChicknLady]

WHY ISN'T THIS EASY?!?!?!??!!?!? I've been thinking the same thing!!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: And it has to be doubly frustrating for you as you've been so strict with yourself! I'll go a couple days and do really well, then slide a little for a few days, and so on. I don't blow it, but I'll eat too many cashews or slices of cheese, or polish off the half bar of Lindt's dark chocolate. It doesn't add up to too many carbs, but the calories add up, and I'm sure that's what's stalling me.

I started a new job, and the guy I work with likes to EAT. So, between jobs he always has to stop for lunch, or at a mini-mart, or a BK and grab a snack. I still can stay away from the carbs, but I might grab a diet pop and a beef stick, or a bag of nuts, or a stick of cheese. I'll just have to refocus, bring my own lunch again, and just STAY IN THE VAN when he has to stop for a package of hunny-buns.

Honeyrose- we've all been there, believe me!!!! Just remember that you can only do so much damage in one day, and almost all the weight gain you might see the next day is just water weight. When you "carb up" your body, it needs more fluid, and so will retain that fluid until you deplete your carb stores again. It'll take a few days to lose the fluid, once you get back LCing. Just don't get down on yourself, and the next day just slam right back into LC with a big plate of eggs and BUTTER. Remember too a pound of fat is about 3500 extra calories, and I doubt you could have done that in one day! (I've been known to do that in my better days, but it's really tough)

[unitydkn]

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I just had duck breast cooked in herbed irish butter. I put it in a bowl cut it into small pieces and rolled it to cover them with the butter...is your mouth watering???

[unitydkn]

BW ..the body handles carbs better in the morning right?..maybe having your wine earlier..like when you first get home? but I do think you should take one week off from wine to see if it makes a difference. ..if it does just have it 2 days a week till you are at your goal.....you will never know till you try ..

[unitydkn]

I an going to start a herb garden...what are some of your favorets for meat??? have any of you grated fresh nutmeg on your eggs???it is real good

[unitydkn]

did you all remember to set your clocks??
did I run everyone off??????????

[jande2211]

Just checking in with yas. Hey, Chick! Unity! Honeyrose!

Honeyrose, don't beat yerself up. Get back in there. Good for you that you didn't make excuses. So! You fell off. Well, it'll happen. I'm off too. TOM and all. Have cheated with Atkins bars and now I'm sick as a dog. Whutcha gonna do. Hang in there.

Unity, sage and rosemary and thyme are great. Basil is nice.

Butter up, and let's fat it out. Later.

[ChicknLady]

Morning everyone! Hey Jande! Just got the clocks changed. Tomorrow is going to be a rude awakening when the alarm goes off AN HOUR EARLY.

I have a litle herb garden by the door, with sage, thyme, chives, oregano, and parsley. I also always plant a few dozen basil plants in the big garden to make pesto, which I just adore. Now with the LCing, I won't put it on pasta, so I'll have to figure out what else I can do with it (other than eating it straight, which is good too!). Any ideas?

Another question- what do you girls feel about the "pork" thing? Seems like pig meat is avoided by lots of different people, like Bear, ethnic groups, and even Kevin Trudeau (not that I give him too much credibility). Different reasons are cloven hooves, parasites, bad vibes, and they eat their own poop. Now, I like pork, and just had side pork for BF, and just wondered what you girls think.

Oh, and BUTTER on warmed up rotisserie chicken breast last night- MMMMMMM.

[jande2211]

Beth, rubbing pesto on steak for marinade is nice! I tried making my own pesto and it came out terrible. Too bitter, gritty. Well, I'll just buy it then.

Pork. I have to be in the mood for porkchops, roast pork, DH can eat it everyday. Love bacon! Could eat a lb of that in a sitting.

[BawdyWench]

I tend to eat most of my meats au natural, with no seasonings. Used to salt my steaks, but no more.

I, too, love pork. Not that crazy about ham -- has to be a really good one. But my favorite cuts are the tenderloin and cutlets. The cutlets look a little like pork chops, but they have more fat running through them so they stay moist AND the cost not even half what regular boneless chops cost.

We went out to dinner last night (belated Birthday dinner) and I wondered how closely I'd stick to this plan. We started with mozzarella sticks -- a favorite of both of ours. Not too bad, except for the breading.

Next was a salad. We both took one bite, looked at each other, made a face, and pushed it to the side. What used to taste fresh and crunchy now tastes like leaves and grass. Yuck.

I ordered a sirloin, rare, topped with a side order of shrimp scampi. I was expecting buttery, garlicky shrimp, but it had chopped tomatoes and I don't know what else in it. Totally ruined the buttery shrimp. The steak came with a glob of butter on top. Half the plate was veggies, that looked so unappetizing, I didn't eat them.

Dessert was a key lime tort. Sorry, but it was my birthday and I indulged.

So this whole next week will be right on plan. No veggies. No alcohol. Lots of water, fat, and meat. OK, maybe a couple tablespoons of SF peanut butter until it's gone.

I don't seem to be like others in losing my appetite. I'm as hungry as ever. Maybe it's the wine. Don't want to admit that, but maybe.

Have a great day, all! DH has left for the airport, and I've already done a long walk with the dog. Will do another one later. I'll probably do an upper-body workout this afternoon, too.

Catch you all later!

[BawdyWench]

PS: I changed my goal weight to a lower number. Was 150, now 140. Geez, and I was already 57% of the way there, and now I'm only 46% of the way there.

See ya!

[BawdyWench]

PS: I changed my goal weight to 140. Now I'm only 46% of the way to goal. When it was 150, I was already 57% of the way there.

Oh well. Maybe it will make me more determined.

[JandLsMom]

I started eating meat, eggs and fat on tuesday morning. My weight has dropped 3.6 lbs in 5 days! (that includes going off plan and eating LC on Friday night at bunco..i had some raw cauliflour, celery, a few strawberries, milk in my coffee and a fourth of an atkins protein bar that night)
I have a question!! Has this high fat woe changed anyones AF? Have any of you had pregnancy symptoms? This week i was nauseus a few times, the smell of cooking hamburger is making me sick, my breasts have been really tender, and i leaked MILK out of my breast!!! MY cycle is very regular and ranges between 26-31 days every month..averaging about ever 28-29 days! Well today is day 31 for me and i havent got AF!!! Could this way of eating change my cycle to LONGER???

[BawdyWench]

Question: How many Low Carbers does it take to change a light bulb?

Answer: 1,331



1 to change the light bulb and to post to the list that the light bulb has been changed

14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently

7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs

27 to remind everyone to drink plenty of water before and after changing light bulbs

53 to comment that their light bulbs usually turn to deep purple

156 to complain that their light bulbs only change to pink, if they change at all, and they wonder what they are doing wrong because the light bulbs do not change to purple

41 to tell everyone that it doesn't matter what color the light bulbs are as long as you're losing weight

109 to post recipes that use light bulbs in a new and creative way

33 to ask how many carbs are in light bulbs

47 to ask what Dr. Atkins and the Eades say about light bulbs

12 to post that they think that Sugarbusters deals with light bulbs better than DANDR, PP or CAD

306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique, and which brands are faulty.

19 to threaten to smash the light bulb over their scale from frustration over not losing weight

111 to say they love the WOL but what they really miss is light bulbs

4 to say that they are new to the WOE and what do light bulbs have to do with low carbing

14 to post that the newbies should read the FAQs!

3 to ask what the numbers mean between the slashes on light bulbs: 50/100/150

27 to say that they are happy we finally brought up the light bulb issue, because they thought they were the only ones who changed light bulbs

203 to put a link on their web pages where one can see examples of different light bulbs

143 agree that this ng is the best when it comes to light bulbs, but can't convince DH, DW, SO or other family member that this is so

1 newbie to say they have been reading the posts for a couple of weeks, but wonders if we can tell her/him about light bulbs.

PS: And 1 to say that Bear never uses light bulbs!

[unitydkn]

BW are you bored????you are to funny.......
:roll: :lol: :roll: :lol: :roll: :lol: :roll: :lol:

[unitydkn]

same story I hear from everyboby else...dark pink but no weight loss...I need to eat more fat but my body has not got used to swollowing it yet

[JandLsMom]

LOL Bawdy! That was pretty funny...i like how you added the Bear at the end...he he!

[BawdyWench]

Ummmm. What's AF?

The lactating sounds familiar, like maybe in Bear's post, believe it or not. OK, I just did a search, and someone mentions lactating in post #898. Check that out. It's not really what you're looking for, but there might be follow-up in later posts.

I have to tell you, JandLsMom. When I first read your username, I pronounced it "Jandelle's Mom." I thought, what a pretty name Jandelle is. Then just the other day it dawned on me that you probably have two kids, one name beginning with J and the other with L. Or am I still wrong?

And HOORAY for losing those pounds. NOW WHY CAN'T I LOSE ANY!

Somebody's hoarding the Whoosh Fairy and I wanna know who it is!

[Bobi-p]

Somebody's hoarding the Whoosh Fairy and I wanna know who it is!
Did you check your light bulbs? She might be hiding in them!!!
I loved your Post, especially the Bear addition!!!

[unitydkn]

I ment to post this in here but posted it in bears thead on accident....oooppps
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should I count the protein from all the dog hair that is in everything in my house??????????????

[JandLsMom]

Bawdy,
You are correct...my sons are Joey and Luke...J and L's Mom...yep!! lol

Thanks for pointing me to post 898..ill check it out!!

I have the woosh fairy sitting on top of the puter keeping me company!!

karen

[unitydkn]

k..I kidnapped her for a few days...ok.....

[unitydkn]

dnk stands for Drew, Noah,Kade my sons

[Honeyrose]

Hey all! Just poppin' in to see how everyone's doing. Thanks for the encouraging words. I believe I fell bc, I was still not feeling my best and was a little down in the dumps (I'm going thru menopause :help: ) so I caved in.
Yesterday I had one of those I don't care days, but today I've done much better! :thup:

I have to weigh myself next Sunday and I'd better get my act together, but whatever the consequences...oh well, I'll just have to face them. ;)

Has anyone checked out the new Fitday.com? They have a whole new makeover now. It's much better than those ugly colors they had. :lol: :lol:
I refuse to pay for it though. As long as it's offered for free, I'll use it.

I'm going to look for a walking challenge that will motivate me to get off my buns! I'm also going to start reading the Bear's thread this week, little by little of course! :lol:

Hope everyone's had a restful weekend! How many of you forgot to set your clocks ahead? :lol:

[HarlieLadi]

hi
hope everyone is doing fine.
just popping in to say hi

300/225/174/142

i love low carbing

[unitydkn]

ok so how does 1 put dog food into fit day? I went to the bucher to get the scapes(half meat/half fat)and it says dog food on the lable...LOL

[BawdyWench]

Unity, you send that Whoosh Fairy over here right now. I see her in your posts! Don't make me come kidnap her!

Today was a strange day. There was TOO MUCH in the house to eat, if you can believe it. This morning I took a pound of hamburger and 2 packages of veal cutlets out of the freezer. Then I went to the store. I bought a large package of two filet mignons (my favorite), plus they had rotisserie turkey breast (love that skin!), PLUS they had sirloin steak on sale for $4.99 a pound! I bought two huge steaks and had the butcher cut them in half for me. Each half is still almost a pound.

So I got home and didn't know what to eat first! And on top of that, I wasn't even hungry. Surrounded by all this luscious meat, and no appetite! So, I just sliced off a hunk of that turkey skin and ate it.

Then, for dinner, I decided I would saute the veal, add some butter and cream, and save it to lunch at work tomorrow. Then I would fry up the two hamburgers and have one tonight and one for breakfast tomorrow morning. Well, the veal looked gray and smelled gray, if you know what I mean. So, that went into the trash. The burger was GREAT. I fried it in coconut oil and a little butter (so much better than under the broiler), then added some cheese on the top, put it on a plate with a bit more butter, and devoured it.

AND licked the plate, thank you very much!

No alcohol today. That's 1 day in a row!

[unitydkn]

BW..you can borrow her AFTER she does her job..it's only fair!!!!!
good for you on 1 day without alcohol..I plan on mon-fri going without alcohol...
YOU CAN DO IT BW!!!


the 1 reason I miss bread is to "mop" the butter

[santabarb]

Well, the veal looked gray and smelled gray, if you know what I mean. So, that went into the trash. ...

No alcohol today. That's 1 day in a row!

I'm glad you're turned off by the veal. I saw a movie about how the young calves are kept in narrow stalls because their legs get so weak from the nasty way they are fed and because they are not allowed out of the dark, stinking stall (read,"prison"). All that to get meat that turns grey!

One day in row! Hah! I think all 12 step programs have the slogan "one day at a time." In this food-consciousness business, one day at a time is sometimes all I can bear. :D

[santabarb]

By the way, people, did you notice how the chicken legs turned into meat chops and I suddenly graduated to "Senior Member?" No one asked if I wanted these 'upgrades,' maybe the whoosh fairy did it while I was sleeping last night? I expect a corner office next....

[BawdyWench]

A corner office? Dream on!

When I graduated to a lobster, I thought they had done it because I'm from Maine!

:lol:

PS: I love veal. I hate the treatment, but I love veal. I don't eat it that much, but do like the flavor. I wonder if all calves meant for veal are treated in that way. I know I've heard horror stories about how animals are slaughtered. I can't worry about everything. I'd like to, but can't. Denial and rationalization are useful tools. I don't know about the meat you eat, but the kind I eat comes in little styrofoam trays covered in plastic. No relation to any animals being killed.

It really is a sort of contradiction and definitely hypocritical, but I need meat in order to survive and stay healthy. It would be nice if no other living thing had to suffer in order to provide my sustenance, but there it is. We could also discuss whether plants "suffer" when harvested. Not going there.

[santabarb]

Yes, we all wish that the food industry was more humane. If only innocuous tofu would fit the bill, but it doesn't.

Sometimes I can find pork at the health food store or Trader Joe's which is described as "pasture fed" (lived a life of relative freedom and health), no antibiotics, no growth hormones. I feel okay about that choice.

The slaughterhouses are hideous. We could do so much better. The avian flu slated to head our way is the result of the deplorable conditions in which poultry are raised in South East Asia by peasant farmers who are greedy and ignorant.

I only mention the veal, because, though I adore the taste with capers and sour cream, the life cycle is purposely "short, nasty and brutish," to quote English philosopher Hobbes. So I boycott it out of conscience. Often, though, you can't even find it. It is not a big seller here in California supermarkets. New York City, yes, here it's often not even in the meat section.

[unitydkn]

I am still waiting for my fat gag reflex to chill out..I know it happens,I have had it happen to me,but right now if I get to much fat I get really sick...I know I will not lose fat till I eat fat...sssssssssssooooooooooo what are some ways to sneak fat in

[santabarb]

Unitydkn--
1.Best thing I know is to cook your meats in plenty of olive oil, or coconut oil,and cook up fresh tomatoes in that meaty flavored oil to act as a sauce for the meat.

2.Eat hard boiled eggs with plenty of mayo,
3.Chicken with mayo.
4.Pork cooked in coconut oil, add a quarter of an apple thinly sliced to cook in the pork & coconut juices.
5. Lamb in olive oil, fresh tomatoes and spinach cooked in juices for sauce

[CGraff]

JandlsMom, what is AF?
you wrote:I started eating meat, eggs and fat on tuesday morning. My weight has dropped 3.6 lbs in 5 days! (that includes going off plan and eating LC on Friday night at bunco..i had some raw cauliflour, celery, a few strawberries, milk in my coffee and a fourth of an atkins protein bar that night)
I have a question!! Has this high fat woe changed anyones AF? Have any of you had pregnancy symptoms? This week i was nauseus a few times, the smell of cooking hamburger is making me sick, my breasts have been really tender, and i leaked MILK out of my breast!!! MY cycle is very regular and ranges between 26-31 days every month..averaging about ever 28-29 days! Well today is day 31 for me and i havent got AF!!! Could this way of eating change my cycle to LONGER???

[BawdyWench]

Unity, I know what you mean about trying to get the fat in. Back when I ate veggies, they were great as a mechanism for butter and cheese. Now that I don't eat veggies any more (and I don't think you do either, judging from your posts here and in Bear's thread), it's harder to get that fat in.

Today at lunch I had a leftover hamburger that was fried in coconut oil. I added a heaping tablespoon of butter and about an ounce of cheese, warmed it up and ate it. At the end, there were several tablespoons of lovely fat left over -- meat juices, coconut oil, and butter. I looked both ways to see if anyone was coming, and then just tipped up the bowl and drank it down!

You might want to try something like chocolate bark -- basically just coconut oil, cocoa, and some sweetener. Tastes like a chocolate bar, they say. I plan on making some Wednesday when I work from home.

As for me, the day went well. Four eggs fried in butter with more melted on top for breakfast, the aforementioned hamburger for lunch, and some rotisserie turkey breast topped with butter for a snack. Dinner will be a filet mignon with butter.

I just thought of another recipe. Zip-lock Ice Cream. Here's a link: http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=122051

I'm really curious to see how this tastes. I'll probably make it with some grated lemon peel and lemon extract.

[unitydkn]

I cannot eat cream as I am lactose intolarent..even a little and I get gas ,cramps and the runs....yuk
I can eat yogurt because of the little buggys and I think I will make some out of cream...then I can eat frozen yogurt
BW I have tried to lick the bowl but it gags me...but I do know the more I push it the more I can swallow...hhmm that sounds wrong somehow...lol

[BawdyWench]

Then maybe try the coconut bars or the chocolate bark, both made from coconut oil.

[JandLsMom]

JandlsMom, what is AF?


its that time of the month..TOM, "your friend", Aunt Flo....

[JandLsMom]

i am gonna try the ziplock ice cream..sounds good!!

Here is a yummy recipe i made for the family as a treat the other night

Cheesecake pudding

8oz cream cheese
8oz sour cream
8oz heavy whipping cream
1/2c splenda
2 tsp vanila extract

Whip the heavy whipping cream. In a separate bowl combine all the other ingredients and beat till smooth, fold in the whip cream....EAT

makes 12 servings ...less than 3 carbs per serving! YUMMMMMMY..tastes like cheesecake..no cooking necessary...
Cut the recipe in half for 6 servings...(i can make larger amounts becuz hubby and son are on Atkins) you can put in freezer or refridgerator depending on if you want it creamy or more hard!

[JandLsMom]

Another Great recipe i want to share..MIL gave it to me and i made it for dinner tonight.

2 chicken breasts
1/2c mayo
1/4c parmesan

mix mayo and parmesan in a bowl. slather it on top of the chicken...cook at 375 for 30 mins! It makes like a breading on top after cooking it and it turns slightly crunchy and brown...it is really yummy..the family loved it!

[BawdyWench]

Karen, I make a recipe very similar to that -- I use Miracle Whip, though. Then I season the tops with McCormick's Pasta Seasoning. You can also dip chicken breasts (or whatever) in butter and then dredge them in Parmesan cheese. Also very good.

Great news here. Or not. I'm up 3 pounds today. Woo-hoo. :mad:

And this is now 2 days without alcohol, without any carbs of any kind (ok, less than 5 grams coming from protein sources).

[santabarb]

Thanks for the recipes and recipe links, JandL and Bawdy, I've copied them.

[JandLsMom]

I made it one week on M/E and officially lost 3 lbs!! This is great since i was not making progress..i had one week of no weight loss, then one week of gaining 1.2 lbs...and now a 3 lb loss after starting M/E ..so i am going in the RIGHT direction now!!

[BawdyWench]

Karen, I'm very happy for you. Really I am. But I'm now up 3 pounds from last week. WTF?

[ChicknLady]

But I'm now up 3 pounds from last week. WTF?
Maybe you need the alcohol back! Your body is saying "oh, no, woman, we gave everything else up- but not this time! Not the booze! We're drawing the line here!"

Hey, Jandlsmom, big Fat congrats on the 3 pounds!!!!!!

I'm still struggling with my calorie issue. I do great staying away from carby things, but dang I love cheese and nuts.

[BawdyWench]

Maybe you need the alcohol back! Your body is saying "oh, no, woman, we gave everything else up- but not this time! Not the booze! We're drawing the line here!"
<blush>I'm having an Irish whiskey as I write this.<blush>

Seriously, I'm so frustrated at this point. I really think it's all my hormones and everything being out of whack. Whether I do high fat and no carbs, or low fat and high carbs, it probably doesn't make a difference until I get my hormones in balance.

I do have serious reservations over going totally meat and fat. I think that is a good thing, and probably the best thing for us, but I also like variety. Maybe not every day, but I'm starting to get cravings like I've never had before. I know, it's all in your head. But really, so much in life is crap, what's really wrong with enjoying food? Moderation is good. Over-indulgence at times is good. Watching every morsel at times is good.

What am I trying to say? Maybe life's too short to be this confused over things. And to struggle so much over things. Maybe it's time to just be sensible and do what you feel is right.

Depressed? Maybe a little.

I'm going to bed now. See you all tomorrow. Working from home, so I'll be able to check in a bit more.

Nighty-night!

[unitydkn]

BW you go to bed to early..I am on my way to work...it's only 5

[santabarb]

JandL--
I'm very happy for you!

BW--Do you know of Phil Goglia?--he works with actress Gillian Anderson (X Files), Jeff Goldblum (Jurassic Park) and others of that ilk.
He says that you don't want to let your metabolic temperature go low, because then your body senses famine. He wants you to eat a variety, but tailored to your metabolic type (like I am ceratinly a meat and fat type) and your caloric level. If your calories go too low, the body 'cools down,' and conserves.

His book is called 'Turn Up the Heat!' My doctor recommended it. As the body receives the right levels of calories and the right fuel for its type, the weight is 'sposed to drop off!

[santabarb]

By the way, I just received Mercolas's e-newsletter and he strongly urges virgin coconut oil as the only oil to cook with! I just started my pot roast in olive oil--but according to him, it should have been VCO because it does not oxidize when cooked.

Extra virgin olive oil, he says, should be reserved for non-cooking situations like making salad dressing. So I will throw some coconut oil into the pot roast right now. He lists VCO's many benefits. You can check his website for more info.

[CGraff]

did someone post that when they started doing
LC, salted butter started to taste too salty to them so they were going to buy unsalted butter? is this common when doing LC, that you just naturally cut back on salt? if so, why? is sea salt bad for you?

[jande2211]

JandLsMom! Great news!

Bawdy, when you gained the wt, were you stuck at your current wt for a long time? I've read others say that the body "remembers" and holds there on the way down if it was a major stop on the way up. Don't get down on yourself. You're too much fun to hang with! We're here for ya! Enjoy that cocktail!

Also, ladies, NICE chicken recipes. I'll have to give it a go.

[BawdyWench]

Someone here did mention about the salt, but it's not because of LC eating. Maybe had to do with cutting salt out of everything. I don't like unsalted butter, but love the salted stuff, and I don't salt anything I eat. I figure this little bit of salt won't much matter.

I've also read that the mineral content of sea salt is so infinitessimal that it doesn't matter. That doesn't mean it's true.

Barb, I haven't heard of that guy, but if I could only lose 1 pound for every time I read a plan that was "sure to melt the fat right off you," I'd be a stick by now! (This isn't to say his plan is not a good one; who knows!)

[JandLsMom]

Got AF (Aunt Flo) today!! day 34 of my cycle...very late for me! Finally!! i guess i gotta realize that my body is going through many changes and its normal that it changed my cycle too! Good news is..no cramps this month..wow!! Wonder if carbs cause the cramps..whats everyone elses take on this??

i am no longer hungry..i sometimes forget to eat!! I have no cravings anymore....i cant believe this!!

My sleep is weird though..i keep waking up during the night..i dont seem to need as much sleep as i used to need? wierd!!

[BawdyWench]

I think a lot of people find they need less sleep on this WOE. Maybe your body is more efficient and doesn't need all that recuperation time that is needed when you feed your body a lot of carby stuff.

[unitydkn]

what low carb veggi will soak up the most fat??

[santabarb]

if I could only lose 1 pound for every time I read a plan that was "sure to melt the fat right off you," I'd be a stick by now!

so,so true....

Still, it agrees with Weight Watchers and Schwarzbein that by realistically working with the number of calories it takes to maintain your current body weight and then gently tweaking it so it's just a little less, the metabolism doesn't go into the "defend to the death every available calorie" mode, (which is where mine has been for years thanks to overly restrictive diets).

[unitydkn]

WHINE ALERT!!!

I WENT FROM HI CARB DIET TO MEAT AND EGGS 2 WEEKS AGO. I LOST 7 POUNDS OF WATER WEIGHT(TOM WAS HERE) THE FIRST COUPLE OF DAYS BUT NOTHING SINCE. I HAVE ONLY CHEATED ONCE AND STICKS HAVE REMAINED DARK PINK THE WHOLE TIME.. I DO NOT LIKE EGGS SO I HAVE USED VERY LITTLE SAME FOR CHEESE. I CANNOT USE CREAM AS I AM LACTOSE INTOLERANT. I AM NOT GETTING TO MUCH PROTEIN,I AM NOT GETTING ANOUGH FAT.I HAVE A HEADACHE ALL THE TIME. CUT BACK ON MY SALT BUT HAD TO INCREESE IT AGAIN A LITTLE BECAUSE I WAS GETTING FAINT
I WANT A WHOOSH
fine I am going to have some wine

[santabarb]

Unity--Why torture yourself with something so restrictive? The long term consequences are also hard to endure.

[JandLsMom]

WHINE ALERT!!!

I WENT FROM HI CARB DIET TO MEAT AND EGGS 2 WEEKS AGO. I LOST 7 POUNDS OF WATER WEIGHT(TOM WAS HERE) THE FIRST COUPLE OF DAYS BUT NOTHING SINCE. I HAVE ONLY CHEATED ONCE AND STICKS HAVE REMAINED DARK PINK THE WHOLE TIME.. I DO NOT LIKE EGGS SO I HAVE USED VERY LITTLE SAME FOR CHEESE. I CANNOT USE CREAM AS I AM LACTOSE INTOLERANT. I AM NOT GETTING TO MUCH PROTEIN,I AM NOT GETTING ANOUGH FAT.I HAVE A HEADACHE ALL THE TIME. CUT BACK ON MY SALT BUT HAD TO INCREESE IT AGAIN A LITTLE BECAUSE I WAS GETTING FAINT
I WANT A WHOOSH
fine I am going to have some wine
why arent you getting enough fat? What about using butter and mayo or olive oil?? those are all fats! And pick the really fatty meats like pot roast!! and chow on the fat..i do!! AF screws everyone up for 2 weeks of the month..dont feel bad!! Are you counting your carbs at all? how low are they? Hate to say it but i lose quicker when i eat more eggs....like 5-8 a day!! Getting Faint??? are you taking enough vitamins??? Dont get discouraged, just talk this through and let us help you! huggs!

[unitydkn]

faint was from the drop in salt...that is fixed now
I use butter and coconut oil AMAP, eat the fat first but after about 3oz of fat and 4 oz of meat I cannot swollow any more for like 6 hours although this is getting better
I am not trying to be strict I just want to eat the important part first

[unitydkn]

don't tell Bear but I just used broccoli as a mop, sucked the butter off then got some more and eat...YES I AM EATING GROWING THINGS!!!!!;)

[ChicknLady]

Sounds like we're all struggling with high fat, low veggies. I guess I'm in the "don't stress out" crowd about it too; I'll do as much meat and egg as I can, but occasionally indulge if I really need to. If I were like Bear, and lived (apparently) in the middle of the Outback or whatever, it might be alot easier to stay in track, but I don't, and I have to deal with temptations on a daily basis. I feel that I do very well coping with it, and refuse to bash myself over the head when I slip up.

Having said that, I still plan to forge ahead high fat, because I LOVE it, and have developed quite a taste for BUTTER. For Easter, we are travelling to Rochester, NY, so will have access to some real markets. Maybe I can find some Irish butter and taste for myself it's wonders.

[JandLsMom]

i saw Irish butter at the grocery store the other day!! Whats the difference between irish butter and regular butter and why does it cost so much? i suppose i should try this wonder food!

[JandLsMom]

oh and by the way..i completely Fell of the meat and egg wagon tonight..after 9 days of it i went completely insane (could my period coming today have anything to do with it?). I am back to induction tomorrow..but ill still visit you all and try to eat lots of fat i promise...lol

[santabarb]

i saw Irish butter at the grocery store the other day!! Whats the difference between irish butter and regular butter and why does it cost so much? i suppose i should try this wonder food!

What got me going on the Irish butter is that I knew it from when I was in Europe. Danish and New Zealand butters are also excellent, but the Irish gets imported here. I've noticed all imported dairy is expensive here, except some cheeses.

Did you see it in a supermarket or an upscale gourmet type store?

It has a rich, deep flavor, much like its golden color. I feel it's a bit of a waste to cook in it, since it's so expensive, but put on at the last minute or two to flavor the food in question provides the flavor nicely. :yum:

[BawdyWench]

Hi, all. Sorry I"ve been awol. My internet went down yesterday afternoon and just came back up.

I'd like to address a few things.

Unity. Don't try to be perfect. You lost 7 pounds and are complaining that there's been no loss since? Even on Atkins' plan, it is completely normal to not lose anything after the Induction period. When I first did Atkins, I lost 6 pounds in two weeks, and then not another pound in 2 MONTHS. But I stuck with it because I believed in it. No cheats. They weren't worth going back to square one.

My mother made me a cross-stitch picture once that said, "Perfection: Desire it, admire it, aspire to it, but don't require it." Demanding perfection of oneself is the surest way to UNhappiness.

Chickie. Some are struggling. I don't think I am. I'm working at it. I know there will be times when I'll have some veggies or even Doritos, but for the vast majority of the time, I'll be following the fat/meat plan because I believe it in. Again, don't require perfection.

Irish Butter. I buy the Kerry Gold brand. It's more expensive. It's imported from Ireland, for one thing, and it probably costs more to produce it because their cows are grass-fed instead of grain fed. That means a lot more land is required for grazing. Because of what the cows eat, the butter is deep yellow, sweet, and creamy. You put a pat on your tongue and it doesn't taste greasy at all. Just heavenly.

OK. Gotta get to work now. See you tonight!

[BawdyWench]

I'm back! GREAT NEWS!!!!!!

No, I haven't lost any pounds yet (well, maybe, but that's not the good news).

My local store now carries Kerry Gold Irish Butter!!!

:hyper: :hyper: :hyper: :hyper: :hyper:

[JandLsMom]

What got me going on the Irish butter is that I knew it from when I was in Europe. Danish and New Zealand butters are also excellent, but the Irish gets imported here. I've noticed all imported dairy is expensive here, except some cheeses.

Did you see it in a supermarket or an upscale gourmet type store?

It has a rich, deep flavor, much like its golden color. I feel it's a bit of a waste to cook in it, since it's so expensive, but put on at the last minute or two to flavor the food in question provides the flavor nicely. :yum:

the irish butter was at our local grocery store called "jewel" and it was quite expensive!

[BawdyWench]

The Kerry Gold butter comes in a brick equivalent to 2 sticks of regular butter. Where I first found it here in Maine, they had it on sale -- 2 packages for $6. So yes, this is pretty high.

At the same store, but a different location (closer to me!), they charge $2.89 per package, which is even cheaper than the sale price at the first store.

It is expensive, no doubt about that. But I no longer look at butter merely as what goes in the pan before the eggs. To me butter is now a viable food source, so it doesn't faze me to pay that price.

I have to say, today I started feeling better somehow. I didn't have any craving for wine/whiskey this evening, and no real hunger during the day. I might just be adapting!

Oh, and about cooking with it. I use a pat of it for my eggs in the morning, and then melt at least a tablespoon over the top after putting the eggs on a plate. For frying meat, I've been using coconut oil with just a smidgen of the Irish butter for flavor. And then melting more over the top afterward!

[santabarb]

My local store now carries Kerry Gold Irish Butter!!!

:hyper: :hyper: :hyper: :hyper: :hyper:

How cool is that! An answer to prayer, I daresay.

I have to drive 5 miles to Trader Joe's to get it, but I have to have at least 5 other reasons to spend the gas and the time. I've not seen Kerry Gold in any 'normal' supermarkets

[santabarb]

the irish butter was at our local grocery store called "jewel" and it was quite expensive!

Do you find it tastier than Land O' Lakes or Challenge butter? How expensive is it? With the Kerry Gold, a block about the size of two sticks runs about 3 bucks here, but as Bawdy said, when you aren't spending on alot of other food sources, it's really not that bad on the pocket book. :cool:

[unitydkn]

8 $ lb (4$ tub)here but we also get it with garlic and herbs at 1.99 a 1/4 lb stick..now this is realy good

[unitydkn]

OK bears followers are getting out of hand..no matter what you say they atack...I will still read it for the intertanment but that is all

[santabarb]

Unity--
Nice glamour shot, there, Unity.

I've visited the bear, but I can't handle that type of fundamentalism. Plants are not all poisonous. The Okinawans are long lived and they eat all kinds of stuff.

[BawdyWench]

I have to drive 5 miles to Trader Joe's to get it ...
And I don't? EVERYTHING is at least 5 miles away. We live in what most people would call the boonies. The grocery store is about 7 miles away. Doesn't matter if you need to "run into town" for only one thing, you're gone almost an hour.

And that's why I love it!

I'm starting to feel very comfortable with fat and meat only. I don't miss veggies one iota. I'll never be 100% with eating this way, but at least I won't feel guilty going weeks without a veggie.

[JandLsMom]

Do you find it tastier than Land O' Lakes or Challenge butter? How expensive is it? With the Kerry Gold, a block about the size of two sticks runs about 3 bucks here, but as Bawdy said, when you aren't spending on alot of other food sources, it's really not that bad on the pocket book. :cool:

i didnt actually buy it..lol i just "saw" it at the grocery store! I might have a bad memory..so dont quote me but i think the irish butter i saw was a package equal to about 2 sticks..and it wa 4.79.. :(

[santabarb]

And I don't? EVERYTHING is at least 5 miles away. We live in what most people would call the boonies....

I'll never be 100% with eating this way, but at least I won't feel guilty going weeks without a veggie.

Hooray for the boonies! :) I have often lived in the boonies, though I don't now. The boonies are delightful! Unfortunately, in California the boonies have awful schools, so we are in 'award-winning' school districts next to snow-capped mountains, yet never far from freeways.

It's good to be at peace with how you are choosing to eat.

[unitydkn]

Unity--
Nice glamour shot, there, Unity.

I've visited the bear, but I can't handle that type of fundamentalism. Plants are not all poisonous. The Okinawans are long lived and they eat all kinds of stuff.
:o :blush: :blush: :blush: :blush: :blush: :blush: :blush: :blush: :blush: :blush:

[Demi]

Stopped by because I thought you all might be interested in listening to this (http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=292515) radio programme about fat ~ especially as they're also going to be making butter and there's a recipe so that you can make your own! :)

BTW, I found it interesting to read that Kerry Gold butter is so expensive in the US, but then I suppose it would be if it has to be imported. Over here, it's more or less the cheapest brand that you can buy.

[BawdyWench]

Demi, I fell in love with Ireland and Irish butter when we first visited about 6 years ago. We went back last summer and had a wonderful time. DH has worked in Scotland (Edinburgh) on and off, and I once was able to go there for a long weekend -- compliments of his client! We're trying to pull together another trip to Scotland this summer. We want to go to Aberdeen.

Hey, you're a good source of info for over there! We're trying to pull together the trip using all frequent-flier and rewards points. There's a Marriott in Aberdeen, so we're all set on the accommodations. Having trouble getting the flights figured out, though.

One thing I thought of to do is to get a flight from here (probably Boston) to the UK, probably Manchester. From there I know the flights are cheap. Last time we were there we saw flights throughout the UK at less than 100 Euros. I can't remember the airline, though.

Any recommendations?

[santabarb]

Hope you find some wee bed and breakfast for at least one night so you can enjoy real Scottish hospitality. I spent time in Scotland in my teens.

Here at home we listen to a Scottish bagpipe rock group called 'Bad Haggis.' It's great fun to exercise to. :agree:

[BawdyWench]

A bed and breakfast always sounds nice, but since DH travels so frequently, he likes to unpack and pack just once during a vacation.

Also, how in the world would I explain to my Scottish hosts that I'll pass on the scones, just 4 eggs for me, and please pass the butter?

:lol:

[HarlieLadi]

:wave: Just popping in to say hi and you look
great..

Sharon

[HarlieLadi]

oops posted twice

:wave: you looking great.....


thanks
Sharon


:o :blush: :blush: :blush: :blush: :blush: :blush: :blush: :blush: :blush: :blush:

[BawdyWench]

Gee, thanks! Oops, you probably weren't talking about me, huh? OK, sorry!

:lol:

Just wanted to poke my head back in and say ...

I'm going to Scotland!!!!!!!!!

All reservations have been made. We're going the end of June for 9 days. We'll be in Aberdeen. YIPPEE!!!!!

:hyper: :hyper: :hyper: :hyper: :hyper: :hyper: :hyper: :hyper: :hyper:

And the best part of it is that I was able to book all flights (first class!) and the hotel using frequent flier points!!!!!!

Now before anyone gets jealous, know that it took years of DH being away from home flying here and there to amass all those points. We EARNED those points, by gawd!

[HarlieLadi]

Hey ya'll;)
I have been doing this 9 months. Just found this site and I need to know
what the fuss is ablout this Flax stuff, what is it a low carb bread? and coconut oil, putting it in ice cube tray? adding it to green tea? is it the smell that is so good or:q:

Am I missing somthing:help:

Where do you buy flax and coconut oil. I have not seen it at kroger and that is the only supermarket close to my house.....hmmmm somthing is brewing....


today... started journal
04/08/2006
170 down from 300

Before Breafast One Sugar Free Red Bull 3 grams carbs.

Breafast 4 egg fluffy omlet with a small amount of onion tomato cheese and bell pepper total 1/4 cup of veggies:wave: with bacon bits on top and little more cheese on top. about 4 grams carbs

lunch... Meat, Meat, Meat, I had a 1/2 slab of ribs, no sauce even though I have
zero carb BBQ sauce .....today I just wanted the taste of the meat. ZeroCarbs

snack 5 shrimp with butter

Water, Water and More Water
nothing to eat after 3pm

that is what is for today... i just ate my shrimp. yummy yummy...burp:lol:

[BawdyWench]

Hi, Harlie! Flax is a seed. People make all kinds of things with it. You can get it at a health-food store. YOu can get coconut oil online at tropicaltraditions.com. Other sources exist, as well.

I could tell you a few things about both, but you'll ge a LOT more info by doing a search.

Congrats on your loss so far, by the way! WOWEE! Down 170 pounds already. YOu're sure doing something right!!!!!

[Bobi-p]

Hooray for the boonies! :) I have often lived in the boonies, though I don't now. The boonies are delightful! Unfortunately, in California the boonies have awful schools, so we are in 'award-winning' school districts next to snow-capped mountains, yet never far from freeways.

It's good to be at peace with how you are choosing to eat.

Hey santabarb...I live in the middle of the desert, so I live in the desert boonies!

[Bobi-p]

Hey ya'll;)
I have been doing this 9 months. Just found this site and I need to know
what the fuss is ablout this Flax stuff, what is it a low carb bread? and coconut oil, putting it in ice cube tray? adding it to green tea? is it the smell that is so good or:q:

Am I missing somthing:help:

Where do you buy flax and coconut oil. I have not seen it at kroger and that is the only supermarket close to my house.....hmmmm somthing is brewing....


today... started journal
04/08/2006
170 down from 300

Before Breafast One Sugar Free Red Bull 3 grams carbs.

Breafast 4 egg fluffy omlet with a small amount of onion tomato cheese and bell pepper total 1/4 cup of veggies:wave: with bacon bits on top and little more cheese on top. about 4 grams carbs

lunch... Meat, Meat, Meat, I had a 1/2 slab of ribs, no sauce even though I have
zero carb BBQ sauce .....today I just wanted the taste of the meat. ZeroCarbs

snack 5 shrimp with butter

Water, Water and More Water
nothing to eat after 3pm

that is what is for today... i just ate my shrimp. yummy yummy...burp:lol:

WOW! That is a massive loss, Congrats to you.

[Bobi-p]

Lucky you...going to Scotland. What are we going to do without you for nine days? Are you taking your laptop?!?!?!

[unitydkn]

Thank you...

I would like to remind everyone that spectum naturals coconut oil tastes awful. I have 2 jars I can only use on hair and body.all the others should be good
:nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono:

[unitydkn]

BW let me know how that recipe is..After terranova left me a nasty PM I think she put me on ignore..LOL

[BawdyWench]

She's something else, huh? ;)

[unitydkn]

She's something else, huh? ;)
I think we could have been friends because we like a lot of the same things....We would have had a lot to talk about*shrug*
I like BawdyWench as my friend
But everyone likes you that is why you have 62 pages in your journal and I have 7:lol:

[sr5]

Bawdy,

I read in one of your posts about Irish butter...thanks for the tip!

:wave:

[unitydkn]

good morning BW !!!

HOW ARE YOU THIS FINE MORNING???
HERE IS A WHOOSH FAIRY FOR YOUhttp://forum.lowcarber.org/gallery/files/4/0/3/1/1/awaken.gif
good morning to all those who get up at a more desent hour...lol

[ChicknLady]

Good morning Fat ladies! I've been looking for the whoosh fairy for a year, and the dang thing is still avoiding me. I know what I need to do; pitch the cashews and swiss cheese, and try to find the "Zone" once and for all. Anybody still reading Bear's thread (I don't care what some say- it's his thread!) might have noticed a couple of all-meat guys drop in, who talk about this awesome "euphoria" they get after so long on this diet. Bring it on!!!!!!!

[BawdyWench]

Unity, thanks for the whoosh fairy, but geez, DID YOU HAVE TO YELL!!!!!! You woke me up!

:lol:

Beth, I am still reading the thread, but getting a little bored lately. Checked in here this morning before going over there. Without Bear, I'm just not crazy about it anymore. And that one female newcomer (the one that had a girl fight with Unity) is a little over the top, if you ask me.

I am feeling good eating all the fat. Yesterday at the grocery store I bought what were called "sandwich steaks." About 1/4" thin and about as large around as your palm -- would fit nicely on a bagel or English muffin (if you eat that sort of thing). I fried one up yesterday for lunch in a little coconut oil (just over 1 minute per side) and then ate it with a glob of Irish butter (sr5, I told you it was good!). Man alive it was good! Still rare (read: raw) in the middle and so tender.

I'm a little worried about my upcoming trip to the land of scones and potatoes. I'll just have to stay strong. Think they have Irish butter in Scotland? I don't remember the butter from Scotland. Hmmmm. Maybe I'll wander in the U.K. forum and see if I can find a pen pal for all my questions.

Well, I'm going to toddle over to Bear's thread to see what's happening.

Oh, Unity? You think my journal is big, wander over and see Danakins. Now THAT's huge. She and I also keep in touch, though not as much as we used to. She has several people in her journal who post humungous messages, complete with huge pictures. I don't think I'd like that in mine. I mean, I have to go through sometimes 3 pages in order to actually see a post from Dana!

Catch you all later!

[unitydkn]

Good morning Fat ladies! I've been looking for the whoosh fairy for a year, and the dang thing is still avoiding me. I know what I need to do; pitch the cashews and swiss cheese, and try to find the "Zone" once and for all. Anybody still reading Bear's thread (I don't care what some say- it's his thread!) might have noticed a couple of all-meat guys drop in, who talk about this awesome "euphoria" they get after so long on this diet. Bring it on!!!!!!!
................................http://forum.lowcarber.org/gallery/files/4/0/3/1/1/awaken.gif...........................................

[Bobi-p]

I read it faithfully several times a day. It just is my way of eating.

[unitydkn]

Ms Bawdy, you plead a good case! I may just have to reconsider my perspective. After all, there are many health benefits from good dry red wine, right?

I am just in such a panic to lose every pound I can before the Big Event, I do not want to sabotage my efforts in any way.

I like your "study" results. I may have to make a trip to the wine shoppe tomorrow! C'est la vie!

Cheers!
so how did the big day go?

[unitydkn]

BW? ..Are you AWOL agian?

[BawdyWench]

I'm here, just busy. Work this week has started out crazy and will continue to be crazy through Friday. Don't expect to hear from me until the weekend.

Sorry. Please carry on. I have so much to do right now, I can't even think straight! :daze:

[ChicknLady]

Unity- awesome Tinkerbelle! Yep, that's about how I expect to feel once I get into the Zone after all-meating it. Can't wait!

BW- I hear ya about Unity's "buddy" over thar in Bear's thread. Can't she just be quiet, anyway?!?

Too busy to, will check in as I can. Was bad over the weekend, but back on track.

[unitydkn]

my "buddy" says she is leaving the site because I was "hostle"

[ChicknLady]

Huh, I just found out Bear's thread has been temporarily suspended. I'll bet he doesn't come back. Unity, I can't remember, did you get the last punch in? :D :D :D

[JL53563]

Huh, I just found out Bear's thread has been temporarily suspended. I'll bet he doesn't come back. Unity, I can't remember, did you get the last punch in? :D :D :D

unfortuately, I have the same feeling....Bear will probably say "adios" to the forum. I hope we are wrong. I think there is much he can teach us.

[unitydkn]

Huh, I just found out Bear's thread has been temporarily suspended. I'll bet he doesn't come back. Unity, I can't remember, did you get the last punch in? :D :D :D
I wasn't really swinging...but you can still read the posts if you want..and I didn't post anything nasty in her journal but she says I did

[Bobi-p]

Huh, I just found out Bear's thread has been temporarily suspended. I'll bet he doesn't come back. Unity, I can't remember, did you get the last punch in? :D :D :D

I don't think he'll be back either. It's too bad, he had some interesting points. Maybe he'll open something up on his own site so we can hear more from him.

[santabarb]

I wonder if he is "disinvited" because of links to his engraving, recording, scupture, bronze casting business.

That said, it's good to have a polemic going. It gets people interested and excited.

[unitydkn]

I believe rosebud told him he could

[santabarb]

Rosebud is the forum moderator? She told him he could....post his website URL? She told him he could...toodle-oo? Your message is a bit cryptic.

[SherryJ]

Just popping in to say I tried the coconut oil in my green tea this morning... very soothing and satisfying... thanks!

Sherry

[unitydkn]

sorry this is what she posted



Hullo Bear, and welcome. :)

You are very welcome to add the URL of your website as your homepage. Just go to "UserCP" on the green menu bar, and open "edit profile," and you will see where to add the URL.

Cheers.

Rosebud:rose:

[santabarb]

Thanks, Unity for your quick response.
I was just curious--not that any of this is any of my business! I wasn't following the thread very diligently, but I did enjoy listening to someone with conviction give his theories.

I'm sure a lot of his ideas and conviction came from Donaldson and Pennington and Steffanson, and other guys whose names I don't remember, who preceded Atkins by many years as advocates for the Inuit all-meat advantage.

[unitydkn]

Thanks, Unity for your quick response.
I was just curious--not that any of this is any of my business! I wasn't following the thread very diligently, but I did enjoy listening to someone with conviction give his theories.

I'm sure a lot of his ideas and conviction came from Donaldson and Pennington and Steffanson, and other guys whose names I don't remember, who preceded Atkins by many years as advocates for the Inuit all-meat advantage. no problem...there are so many posts it can be hard to find things

[santabarb]

What are some threads or forums you recommend? This one is seeming pretty lonesome, don't you think? :p

[unitydkn]

I lerk in
http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=290113&page=76&pp=30

but it goes so fast that it does not seam like anyone "hears" you

[JandLsMom]

unfortuately, I have the same feeling....Bear will probably say "adios" to the forum. I hope we are wrong. I think there is much he can teach us.

Bear came back tonight and made some posts!! Also there are some links with pictures of the Bear and a really cool interview with the Bear! Check it out!

Also...there is now a SUPPORT thread in the Paleo Forum for his diet, AND a Recipe thread...go add some Meat/egg/dairy recipes folks!

Bring me to Scotland with ya Bawdy! i am part scottish..i want to see my great great great uncle!! lol :lol:

[unitydkn]

ok broke down and went to the doctor today....I have a sinus & a raging ear infection

[unitydkn]

we need BW back, it is to quite in here

[santabarb]

You're right, Unity--
Can you hear my echo???????
I saw your posts on Meat and Eggs. It's a great thread. My head is filled with comments from the guys sparring (PaleoDean, QuikDriver, the Bear, etc) and the gals supporting (Nancypp and the Meat and Egg posters).
I'm sorry you're not well. I've got an inflamed throat, but it's improving I think.
I agree with you--it's way more fun with Bawdy Wench on board--but she's gone for now. So we must soldier on or be absorbed elsewhere.

[unitydkn]

I am bored.....I can't lay down, I can't move around, I can't pick up anything.My head and ears hurt. I am hungry but am to dizzy to cook.Boiled my teapot dry.

on a lighter note I am down to 183 today

[Bobi-p]

I hope you feel better soon, Unity.

[santabarb]

Sorry you feel so horrible, sleep well tonight. To have made it to 183 from 200 is outstanding!!! :thup: :thup: :thup:

[JandLsMom]

Is Bawdy off on her Scotland vacation? when is she returning?

Just to let ya all know i bowed out of Bears thread and the meat and egg for life thread because i just cant do the all meat thing anymore!

I do agree with HIGH FAT and will stick with that..so i still feel at home here..only now its my ONLY home..

Hope ya dont mind me eating a veggie or fruit ..munch munch..lol

OHHHHH..i finally broke down and ordered from tropical traditions! i bought a quart of virgin coconut oil and a quart of virgin palm oil!! My first time trying either! i am sooo excited!! Can't wait till it arrives!

[unitydkn]

hmmm I have some raspberry's in the freezer....I use them as ice in my wine...yummy

[unitydkn]

http://mysite.verizon.net/unitydnk/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/flower_007_w.gifhappy easter
http://mysite.verizon.net/unitydnk/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/turkey.jpghttp://mysite.verizon.net/unitydnk/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/lobster_001sm2.gifdinner anyone?

[santabarb]

JandL-
Having seen your posts around in paleo and the bear and meat and eggs, I thought you were a diehard carnivore. But guess what? You have the right to change your mind! We call it freedom.

I'm highly carnivorous right now. But I'm keeping my options open.
B: 2 omega 3 eggs, cream cheese

S: Picked at the center of a fish sandwich at Burger King with a client who ate her full apparatus of burger with bread and all. The amount of actual white fish probably doesn't fill 2 tablespoons. But hey, for Good Friday it was one dollar, so worth the little experiment

L: Chicken breast cooked in CO, 2 few slices of red pepper.

S: 1 HB egg with 1/2 tsp mayo, 1 cup teeccino with T heavy cream

D: 1/3 lb. Prime rib (it was $3.99 a lb today)--family had it with carrots, red peppers, onions, followed by sugar free ice cream(not me)

I'm happy because no cravings! I'm constantly satisfied these last few days. Kind of like discovering that everyone sees the sky as blue, when you never could before! My sister in law, who weighs 106, always says she spends her whole life hungry. She won't eat meat on principle, so eats carbs 95% of the time.

I don't particularly want to be a carnivore--vegetarian sounds so much cooler--but vegetarian leaves me ravenous much of the time. Carnivorous diet satisfies (did I mention eggs? very important piece of it).

I saw some thread where the ladies were getting quite excited over egg drop soup and addingchicken to it.

[JandLsMom]

santabarb,
i would be a diehard carnivore if i could hack it..but i just cant. i was looking down the road into my future and tried picture myself a year or 3 or 5 yrs from now still eating meat/dairy only and i thought.."who am i kidding". i am looking for a way of eating for LIFE..not just a diet. I enjoy veggies and fruits very much. I am moving into atkins OWL right now and am working my way towards the Neanderthin lifestyle. I know i should probably give up the cheese..but the butter and cream i may keep..not sure yet!

[santabarb]

It's wonderful that you lost another 3 lbs this week, JandL. That would have me jumping for joy too! :hyper: :hyper: :hyper: :hyper: :hyper: To have lost 32 is awesome roo! You've been at this at least five times longer than me judging from your current 840-some posts, so no doubt you've acquired some knowhow. I love these forums as opposed to trying to just follow a book by myself!

I did Atkins before, but got derailed by his desserts and Atkins ice cream, Atkins bars, Atkins bread. I probably will carefully use OWL principles when I get much further along. If you're losing 3 lbs a week, I'd say you're handling the cheese well for now, to say the least! ;) I know nothing about Neanderthin--how different from meat and eggs? :q:

[BawdyWench]

I'm back! Sorry for being AWOL. Crazy busy at work this week. I had to plan for and then carry out a huge users' meeting for about 60 people on Thursday. I ended up taking yesterday afternoon off work and headed out for a little (ok, a LOT) of pampering -- manicure and pedicure!

It is a bit quiet around here.

I finally got through all 19 pages of the Carnivore support thread. I've also posted there this morning and will be following that thread. I'll try to keep up both here and there.

Karen, you do what you feel you need to do. Remember that there are no rules here. If you want some veggies, that's your decision. If someone else wants to be "true" carnivore (with or without dairy and mayo), that's fine too.

We're all about support here.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go make some breakfast. I hear the Irish butter calling to me!!!!!!!

[unitydkn]

down 6 lb in the last week, only change I ADDED CREAM and did not worry about protein and fat...just eat as much as I wanted
and I had a pot of tea everyday

[santabarb]

I'm back! Sorry for being AWOL..... I hear the Irish butter calling to me!!!!!!!

Yay! Bawdy's back! :wave:
Sounds like you were busy being indispensable. That's good.
Irish is good,too.

During your lo-o-o-ong absence I have had three or more conversions. So I've been very carnivorous which has had the wonderful effect of killing all cravings and a wonderful feeling of being constantly satisfied. Hunger? What's that? That alone feels like a 50lb load off my back,whew!

Then I went to the link on Dodger's post which took me down the rabbit hole to paleoland (with Loren Cordain). Two inches over from there and you're back with Schwarzbein!

Still, Cordain worries about saturated fats and is worth a hearing. He's got a great website. I'm going to stay very low carb, high protein, fairly high fat and avoid dairy and wine for a while and see how I do. I'll try the low fat beef cuts for a while. He says vegetables help alkalinize one's system, as meat is acidic. NO GRAINS, LEGUMES, PULSES. NO FAKE FOODS, obviously.

I guess Karenmarie and I are at a similar point--for today!

Unity--Fabulous poundage drop, girl! :yay: :yay: :yay: :yay: (My computer graphic skills are not as advanced as yours, otherwise I'd be more graphic).

[santabarb]

Uh, Unity,
The chicken thing? Gross.
Happy Easter all!

[unitydkn]

Today is International Very Good Looking, Damn Smart Woman's Day, so please send this message to someone you think fits this description. Please do not send it back to me as I have already received it from a Very Good Looking, Damn Smart Woman! And remember this motto to live by: Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"

[unitydkn]

there was a funny pic but I can't get it to show up

[unitydkn]

Uh, Unity,
The chicken thing? Gross.
Happy Easter all!I think it is a turkey...next time you see a "well cooked" women..try not to laugh!!!!!!!

[santabarb]

Today is International Very Good Looking, Damn Smart Woman's Day, so please send this message to someone you think fits this description. Please do not send it back to me as I have already received it from a Very Good Looking, Damn Smart Woman! And remember this motto to live by: Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"

The credo of a hedonist, by gum!

I especially relate to screaming "Woohoo" while holding chocolate in one hand.

[JandLsMom]

I know nothing about Neanderthin--how different from meat and eggs? :q:

Neanderthin is a Paleo diet. You eat meat, eggs, veggies, fruit, nuts and seeds! THATS IT! Pretty simple and straight forward! He does say in the book if you have alot of weight to lose to keep the fruit to a minimum until you get to maintenance. Basically i am doing neanderthin now only i am still having small amts of dairy. I just dont know if i agree with giving up the butter after all i have read about butter, especially from Weston Price!

[JandLsMom]

It's wonderful that you lost another 3 lbs this week, JandL. That would have me jumping for joy too! :hyper: :hyper: :hyper: :hyper: :hyper: To have lost 32 is awesome roo! You've been at this at least five times longer than me judging from your current 840-some posts, so no doubt you've acquired some knowhow. I love these forums as opposed to trying to just follow a book by myself!



i doubt i have been at it 5 times longer..i think i just POST ALOT..lol. And just to clarify my TOP weight was 301 lbs, but this is not my first time low carbing..i quit lcing last time i got pregnant. I RE-started on ATkins on Feb 22, 2006 weighing 288 lbs. So i have lost 19 lbs in 52 days..Wish it was more..but after years of yo-yo dieting i cant expect my metabolism to be as good as it used to be either!! (First time i did atkins back in 2003 i lost 81 lbs)

[JandLsMom]

down 6 lb in the last week, only change I ADDED CREAM and did not worry about protein and fat...just eat as much as I wanted
and I had a pot of tea everyday
WOW! 6 lbs in a week is great!! good job! :)

[unitydkn]

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would someone tell those kids to go to sleep already!!!!!!

[Bobi-p]

Hey Unity... We're on the left coast, what do you expect? It's getting late out here but those younguns are probably going to pull an allnighter! You think?

[JandLsMom]

Happy Easter Everyone! Have a great Fat Eating day!! he he!

[unitydkn]

yuck..4 year old crawled into bed with us this morning and wet the bed..a lot....he hasn't done that in a year!!!..all the tention...easter/getting ready for disneyland

[JandLsMom]

How was everyones Easter?? Were you able to stick with your eating plan? I did pretty well but not perfect. The only non-LC foods i ended up eating is a bite of mashed potatoes and a small amt of cream of mush soup that was in a recipe! I feel good about my choices. I was THRILLED my MIL served lemon meringue pie..cuz i HATE IT..lol. I was so hoping she wouldnt serve something chocolate for dessert...i am thankful it turned out the way it did!

[BawdyWench]

We don't celebrate Easter (not religious). And being non-religious, it didn't even occur to me that the grocery stores wouldn't be open! :doah: Doh!

So, I drove all over trying to find a store that sold eggs. Finally I decided to go to a small market that's ALWAYS open. It was. I knew they would have eggs, but DH said he wanted a chuck roast for dinner. As luck would have it, they had a couple! I don't know where they get their meat, but it's always really good. We used to buy sirloins from them all the time. For whatever reason, they always sold them for around $4.99 a pound.

Then I decided to take the "back way" home. It had been a while since I went that route, and was looking around marveling about this new house, and gee they fixed up that new house. Then I was thinking, wow I didn't know they had paved the road this far. And when did that house go up? Gee, that sign for the next town over never used to be there. I didn't even know that town dipped down onto this road. Then I realized that I had covered about 3 miles on what should have been a 1/2-mile road!!!

:doah: Doh!

I can't believe I got lost going home! Had to backtrack to where I forgot to take the right turn.

Then I got home and put the chuck roast on the stove with just a tad bit of onion for flavor, a splash of Worcestershire sauce, a couple bay leaves, fresh-ground pepper, and some beef broth and put it on to simmer (after searing both sides in coconut oil).

Then I got involved with the evil TurboTax! :devil: Lost track of time. When I went down to the kitchen, the smell reached me first. All the broth had boiled away, the pan had a layer of burned stuff on it. and at least the bottom 1/4" of the roast had burned. I mean charred!

So, no gravy, which I guess is good because no carbs.

DH had his meat over well-buttered noodles.

I had my meat over a well-buttered plate! :lol:

[unitydkn]

sorry I wanted to bring this to a more mellow thread where we can give you support
Bear,
i am doing the research on soy and will decide whether or not to continue giving it to my son. The problem is though that since my son is autistic and has been taken off all casein products and soon to be taken off all gluten products, AND he has major food sensitivities (due to Sensory Integration Disorder..which is part of his Autism) there are not alot of foods the child will eat!! He needs nutrition somewhere!! Right now Soymilk is about the only protein source he gets! He will not eat eggs or veggies or meat!! He ONLY tolerates hard, crunchy things and freaks out if you try and give him anything soft or squishy. He is now in therapy and they are trying to get him past his sensory issues so he will accept other foods! Unless you have ever dealt with an autistic child w/sensory issues you really DONT have any expertise in this area to speak of! Its a very complicated situation which i have been doing LOTS of research on and i could guarantee i have more knowledge in this area than you or anyone else on this board. I have only given you a FEW of the many links i have regarding this issue. Casein to MY SON is POISON!!
karenthere are now crunchy jerky chips...have you been able to find them?

[BawdyWench]

Karen, I'm so sorry that you didn't get the support you needed "over there." Your son has definite considerations that need to be met. Don't fret over what was said there. You're doing your research, and you're handling it the best you can. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. Even if you were to put the complete diagnosis with all the detils in a post, you still wouldn't be able to convey his needs or yours.

I have no experience in this, but please know you have my support and my thoughts.

[santabarb]

I used information that you posted at the dinner table, since the topic of wheat and dairy came up. It was good learning. People got very interested. Autism is so tough on the Mom and Dad and siblings.

At JPL (Jet Propulsion Lab) in Pasadena--the people who brought you the Mars Rover, etc.-- they have a large support group for autistic families. A statistically high percentage of high IQ people in the sciences produce autistic children. Male scientists used to marry into a more varied gene pool. Now they meet female colleagues and marry them, hence the now higher incidence of autism in their population group as a whole.

[JandLsMom]

sorry I wanted to bring this to a more mellow thread where we can give you support
there are now crunchy jerky chips...have you been able to find them?
no, i havent seen crunchy jerky chips. my son will eat chicken nuggets and fish sticks because of the crunchy breading..but the problem is i now need to take him off of gluten also..which then leaves no meat. i have to have faith. on the GFCF diet i am told that within a couple weeks he will start to accept some meat and veggies once the gluten is out of his system. Its scary thinking your kid might starve to death. I am told by others who have taken their kids off the casien and the gluten that i he might not eat much for a week or more but that he will not starve to death..and to keep him on the vitamins and soymilk during this period because the soymilk is fortified and has calcium added!

[JandLsMom]

Thanks so much for your support ladies! I know that if you dont have a child with Autism you can not even begin to understand what its like, but i appreciate your thoughts, prayers and concerns..trust me..i do! (my 17 yr old son is bipolar and schizophrenic...so life is not a bowl of cherries for me!)

[unitydkn]

crisps (http://www.ohboyoberto.com/crisps.asp)...as the maniger at your local store if they have something like this...if they don't I could mail you some to see if he will eat them

[BawdyWench]

Karen, how about coating some chicken pieces in rolled pork rinds? They're crunchy, no gluten, all protein. Just might work.

I have an older sister who is both mentally and physically challenged. Growing up in a family with a challenged member is tough on everyone. There are many victims, not just the one directly affected.

That was supposed to have sounded supportive, but now that I read it, it doesn't really say what I wanted to say. I hope you understand my meaning.

[santabarb]

Can anyone give me a little help with too rapid weight loss? It's coming off more quickly than I am comfortable with. I don't want to inadvertently go into ketosis and mess up my metabolismwith too rapid weight loss, paid for by rapid weight gain later. Also, my sleep seems disturbed by it. Here I am up at 3 a.m. again for the fourth day in a row! I was sleeping 8-9 hours as a rule before.
Has this kind of thing happened to anyone else?

yesterday:
1 HB egg, 4 T guacamole, 2 T salsa =8 carbs
lamb fried in vco, red onion slices, 1 c collard greens =3 carbs
lamb fried in vco, red onion slices, 1 c collard greens =3 carbs
Dr. Praeger patty =4 carbs
decaf w/ 2 tsp heavy cream, 1 packet saccharine =2 carbs
1 rotiseerie chicken leg
Total =20 carbs

[BawdyWench]

Too rapid weight loss? If only that were my problem. :rolleyes:

The only thing I see is that maybe you're not eating enough. I hesitate to give advice because nothing, and I mean nothing, is working for me now. I mean, how can I even attempt to solve someone else's issues when I can't get a handle on my own?

Just remember that ketosis is NOT a bad thing. It's a good thing. Also, I don't think you'll mess up your metabolism with rapid weight loss. I think (and I could be wrong) what messes with metabolism is going too long on too low a calorie level for your level of activity.

Anyone else have ideas?

[santabarb]

Too rapid weight loss? If only that were my problem. :rolleyes:

The only thing I see is that maybe you're not eating enough. I hesitate to give advice because nothing, and I mean nothing, is working for me now. I mean, how can I even attempt to solve someone else's issues when I can't get a handle on my own?

Just remember that ketosis is NOT a bad thing. It's a good thing. Also, I don't think you'll mess up your metabolism with rapid weight loss. I think (and I could be wrong) what messes with metabolism is going too long on too low a calorie level for your level of activity.

Anyone else have ideas?

Thanks, Bawdy for your rapid post. I think we got up at the same moment in time though not at the same time (three hours difference).

So, I shouldn't just be counting carbs, but keep an eye on calories--makes sense! BTW, I forget to add in my yesterday menu that I added a T of our fave, Irish butter, to my collard greens, and boy were they ever improved!

Oh dear, I didn't want to play with calorie counting. That's one of two reasons I was glad to get away from WW (the other being permanently ravenous). But if I must, I must.

Thanks for your help, even if you are struggling now yourself, you have insight that I won't have from your experience and analysis.

I was pleased to buy size 14 pants yesterday (an improvement for me).

[BawdyWench]

So, I shouldn't just be counting carbs, but keep an eye on calories--makes sense! BTW, I forget to add in my yesterday menu that I added a T of our fave, Irish butter, to my collard greens, and boy were they ever improved!

Oh dear, I didn't want to play with calorie counting. That's one of two reasons I was glad to get away from WW (the other being permanently ravenous). But if I must, I must.
Hold on there! I did NOT say you had to count calories. I have come to agree with Bear that you shouldn't need to count and weigh everything (or anything, including yourself).

What I meant by my statement was that, for example, I was limiting myself to 1200 -1400 calories a day and working out like a fiend. This went on for months and months and months. I was simply not taking in enough calories (nutrients) to address the needs of my body with such a strenuous workout. I probably should have been up there around 2000 calories or higher. THAT's why my adrenals got burned out. At least this is what I believe.

I think you're probably fine. If you think you're dropping the weight too fast, then eat some more to slow you down a bit. And don't scrimp on the fat and protein.

[JandLsMom]

santabarb,
if your eating only 20 carbs a day..then you WILL stay in ketosis. if you want to get OUT of ketosis and slow down the weight loss the only way to do that is UP the carbs..start by uping them 10 a day for each week till the weight loss is comfy. So like do 30 carbs a day all week...then 40 a day all next week. See if that helps. And NO dont count cals just carbs! counting cals is a pain!

[santabarb]

My heartfelt thanks to both Bawdy and JandL for your sage advice. I don't want to lose so quickly that I have flesh flaps or that I lose muscle. At the proper speed for the skin to shrink back nicely into place is important for aesthetics, don't you think?
Also, yesterday I climbed a 40 degree vertical ascent for half an hour and felt perky the whole way. In the past that mountain has exhausted me after five minutes, so I am really, really grateful for all the amazing wisdom and support from you. This is a wonderful learning and living experience.
My muscle mass appears to have gone down according to my bio-scan scale, from 101 lbs to 98 lbs. I don't want muscle wasting to be happening. Do I need to keep my carbs higher to avoid that or what is probably going on?

[JandLsMom]

santabarb,
Everyones metabolism is different and therefore have different levels of carbs they can eat while staying in ketosis. Someone with a really lacking metabolism might get out of ketosis with 30 carbs a day..while someone with a a great metabolism (like my hubby) would have to eat 100 carbs a day before getting out of ketosis). According to Atkins, when you move into OWL you up the carbs by 5 a day each week, then eventually start upping by 10 a day. You do it week by week. The first week where you have no loss, you then CUT BACK by 5 carbs the next week and then you should find your POINT where you continue losing but stay out of ketosis. So say you ate 30 carbs a day next week and still lost 3 lbs and did 40 a day the following week and lost 2 lbs and 50 a day the following week and lost 1 lb, then say you did 60 a day the following week and didnt lose any weight, you then drop back to 55 carbs and stay there and you should continue losing..but at a slow rate!! I hope this makes sense!

[santabarb]

JandL-
In light of the Atkins and OWL I am too low for sure. I don't have keto stix, but I've been sticking close to carnivore and Paleodiet lately in principle--
*plenty of eggs on hand, hard boiled or fresh, mayonnaise too
*generous portions of juicy meats (a Kosher brisket for tonight)
*salads, spinach, chard, collard greens
*berries with heavy cream and stevia (or saccharin)

TODAY:
Breakfast: Scrambled egg with salsa and 1/2 avocado[4 carbs]
Snack: HB egg with 1 T mayonnaise
Lunch: Salade Nicoise (lettuce,capers,tomatoes,2HB eggs,tuna), olive oil, Bragg's vinegar [11 carbs]
Snack: Berries with heavy cream, a little saccharin (1/4 packet)[12 carbs]
Dinner: Beef brisket, slow cooked red peppers,[3 carbs] possibly a 1/3 c brown rice[15 carbs]
Total carbs:Without brown rice: 27 carbs. With rice:[42 carbs]

The berries and the brown rice do alot to bump the carbs up. I think in light of your OWL recommendations, I should leave the rice out for now and stay close to 30 carbs for now, since I've been slipping lower and lower.

I have trouble figuring out how to get enough carbs in since on Paleo one must forsake beans, green beans, peanut butter, potato, sweet potato, wheat or grains, including rice--because none of these are we designed by evolution/our Creator to digest!
This seems to pretty much leave me with very low glycemic carbs, and, voila 10-20 carbs a day.

I realize the Bear would not approve,as it is not 'pure' enough. I could do more with root vegetables like carrots, parsnips, rutabagas, but only if my mommy says I have to ;), squash is an ok family.

I think I might have to stick in some 'ancient' fruits, though I can happily leave them alone and not feet deprived. Some apples, oranges, melons. The markets will soon be bursting with fruit.

How are you navigating Atkins and Neanderthin? Are you in the OWL stage? Does it parallel Neanderthin? Do you eat fruit, rice, sweet potatoes right now?

Thanks so much for pitching in and answering my questions--I know your time is not your own.

[santabarb]

JandL--I just read your ticker line which clearly tells me what you eat now. Actually, it sounds a lot like today's menu here in California--meat, eggs, fruit, berries, nuts, butter, cream--all on my ok list for now.

[JandLsMom]

santabarb,
you might want to consider neanderthin! The book is like 6.99 for the paperback! In a nutshell you eat meat, eggs, veggies, fruit, nuts and berries! (some choose to keep some dairy..which is what i am doing at the moment but maybe not for long) As far as raising your carbs...FRUIT and Veggies will do it!! OH...and of course NUTS!! On Neanderthin FAT is OK!! Since there is no dairy on Neanderthin your fat comes from Meat, Olive oil, Nuts..and if you can afford it Virgin coconut oil and palm oil are good too! You dont count carbs on Neanderthin..you just make the sure the majority of your diet is Meat..then eat eggs, veggies, fruit and nuts as an addition..once you lose all the weight..you can eat all of them unlimited..but while in weight loss mode you would want to keep the fruit down to like a pc or two a day! It all depends on what rate of weight loss you are looking for!! Just by eating 2-3 ozs of nuts and 1 or 2 pcs of fruit a day (as well as veggies and meat of course) you should be able to bring your carbs up enough to keep you out of ketosis..but still lose!!

[JandLsMom]

THe Reason I consider myself in Atkins Owl...is because i DO eat nuts daily, and occasional fruit (which is obviously not atkins induction)...the reason i dont consider myself strictly neanderthin is because i am still eating small amounts of butter, cream and cheese (which isnt neanderthin)...so i am kind of stuck between 2 places till i decide to give up the dairy which i plan on doing SOOOON!

[santabarb]

OK. You're on a hybrid diet just like me and quite a few others. I guess we'll survive. I like the idea of the antioxidants--no doubt due to 'acculturation' ;) --the berries, the dark leafies, the omega 3 eggs.

I will definitely get the book--cheap.
Thanks, Karenmarie, you've been a true guide.

[santabarb]

Bawdy,
A nice lady named Tazzieone would like to find this thread and I have no idea how to tell her where it is. Could you please contact her? She and Elizlea and maybe one other are struggling with weight gain on Schwarzbein. I find her under Schwarzbein topic in Active Low Carber Forums.

[santabarb]

I think it's specifically called 'weight gain--your experience?'
Thanks
If Bawdy's not busy on this thread, could you help her, JandLsMom? You are a real fount of wisdom. I was trying to save you all having to repeat things by having Tazzieone and other suffering souls come over here to look, but I can't direct them.

[BawdyWench]

Hang on, Barb! I'll go get her!

[BawdyWench]

OK. I posted the link. All you need to do to post the link is to go to the page you want them to see, and the highlight the URL in the address line at the top of the screen. Right-click on it, select Copy, and then go to your "reply" post (where you compose what you want to write), right-click again and select Paste. Simple!

[santabarb]

Thanks Bawd--
You're a gem!

[santabarb]

BTW, Bawdy or others--
Does eating an abundance of meat tend to give most people a body odor that requires industrial strength deodorant? Other than frequent showers, drinking lots of water, is there any way to get past it that you know?

[BawdyWench]

Maybe it's from the ketosis. Some people pee it out, some people breathe it out, and some people sweat it out.

I suspect it's a temporary thing, so don't worry about it.

But please, PLEASE stand downwind of me? Please? :lol:

[santabarb]

OK. I posted the link. All you need to do to post the link is to go to the page you want them to see, and the highlight the URL in the address line at the top of the screen. Right-click on it, select Copy, and then go to your "reply" post (where you compose what you want to write), right-click again and select Paste. Simple!

Foolishly, I don't know where the URL address line is on this particular page. The rest I can do. Thanks!

I'm sure she and others will appreciate your effort. The Schwarzbein book appears to be about weight loss, but I think it's more of a hormone balancing guide--weight loss is optional depending upon what the hormones choose to do. Most do not wish to wait three years for the fat to come off. Otherwise, a decent way to eat--I'm not so sure about the grains though, and dairy for most.

[santabarb]

Maybe it's from the ketosis. Some people pee it out, some people breathe it out, and some people sweat it out.

I suspect it's a temporary thing, so don't worry about it.

But please, PLEASE stand downwind of me? Please? :lol:


Ha! Ha! Deal. In turn just keep your kitty's decapitated animal corpses off my doorstep [reference to other thread, folks].

Light is dawning I found the URL in question , thought it needed to be inside the Active LC box, but no.

[BawdyWench]

Yea, kind of like waking up with a horse's head next to you in bed!

[JandLsMom]

i have ketosis BREATH right now..lol...all i can do is brush my teeth and use mouthwash before i leave the house! If my body odor stinks too..i didnt notice it..

[BawdyWench]

<holding breath> No, no. You guys are fine. No worries. :lol:

[JandLsMom]

Did i tell you all i am having a TB of coconut oil in my coffee now for the past few days?? It supposedly speeds the metabolism. The coffee is pretty oily but oh well!!

we bought these ribeye steaks from walmart...Eight 6oz steaks for only $11. The were SOOOO good!! yumm! i will be buying them every week now!!

[santabarb]

Did i tell you all i am having a TB of coconut oil in my coffee now for the past few days?? It supposedly speeds the metabolism. The coffee is pretty oily but oh well!!

we bought these ribeye steaks from walmart...Eight 6oz steaks for only $11. The were SOOOO good!! yumm! i will be buying them every week now!!


Might I suggest you cookthose lovely juicy ribeyes in coconut fat and then sop it up with your meat instead? The sauce is exquisite !:yum: Why ruin a perfectly good cup of coffee with oil floating in it, know what I mean?

[santabarb]

<holding breath> No, no. You guys are fine. No worries. :lol:

Brave woman, Bawdy!

By the way, how is it going for you? You haven't said in a while what you're doing--still putting butter on your steaks for the most part? Still stalled? I had a huge drop, which probably not surprisingly, coincided with a period. Afterwards I took a couple days off the Women's Essentials vitamins just to give myself a rest from the fluorescent yellow urine. Energy is great, nails are the longest and hardest they have been in a couple of decades! Some calcium is being absorbed somewhere!

[banter]

Hi, can I join y'all? (horses' heads in the bed, fluorescent yellow urine and all :) )

I'm restarting for the 70-11th time. Tried nearly all low carb plans, caved after 2, 3, 4 weeks. Or got too busy at work. Or something. I've read much of this thread (although some of the threads on this board are really really really long!) and noticed that some here also seem to have weird hours or stressful jobs, and I'd love to listen to tips on how you stay on plan.

I'm doing "Eat Fat, Get Thin" by Barry Grove. He would be happy if you lived on fat, and ignores vegetables and exercise. He does allow 60 carbs a day, which is too high unless one eats bread, which I can't. But one doesn't HAVE to eat the 60 carbs. It's a very flexible plan.

I'm also a European butter fan -- sometimes Irish, sometimes Danish, whichever my local Whole Foods has that week. The first time I went to Europe, I fell in love with the butter. They tell you about the bread, but the butter! It has a higher fat count, but there must be another reason. Happier cows?

A typical menu for me is about 70 percent fat a day. I have trouble getting it up to 80 -- haven't tried the coconut oil thing yet, and am shy of lard. I cook meat in butter and then butter the top :)

(I'm in my 50s, been fat most of my life, live alone, am a teacher/writer/editor and so work all the time.)

[BawdyWench]

Hi! I'm doing about the same. Yes, Irish butter on everything. Sometimes on just a knife! No change in pounds or inches. I finally got an appointment at Women to Women on WEdnesday to discuss my test results. Low hormones, burned-out adrenals. I'll be glad to get on a treatment regimen. There's no reason I shouldn't be losing weight on the carnivore plan. Must be the hormones. I figure once the hormones get balanced, the rest will fall into place.

Wish me luck!

Of course you can join in, Banter! The more, the merrier!

[JandLsMom]

Welcome Banter!!
Your plan sounds good and fatty!! he he!!

[santabarb]

Hullo, there, Banter--
Dunno how on earth you found this little neck of the woods. Actually, dunno how I did either, but Bawdy is such a wit, I had to hang around once I did.

Turns out to be a crash course on weight loss, what with this and numerous other threads --whew!
When I stuck to Schwarzbeiner I sat at the same weight for 7 weeks. So then I dropped all the grains and dairy, and moved to much more meat, eggs and fat.
Actually as of today I'm trying to slow down. My plan was a nice easy 1-2 lbs. a week. In the last 9 days I've lost 7 lbs. which concerns me. Am going to try to 'rest' for this week, as I am shrinking tooo fast. So today, Sunday:

Eggs, scrambled, 2
coffee, heavy cream, 1 T

Egg, HB, with 1 T mayonnaise, grapefruit 1/2

Guacamole, 4 T

Beef patty, grass fed, 4 oz. (20% fat)
Greens, mustard and collard, cooked with kalamata olives, olive oil, onion, garlic, tomatoes, fresh
Cantaloupe, 1/4 of melon
Almonds, dry roasted, 7
Coffee, org, decaf; org. heavy cream; sweetener, 2 packets

Currently it is 5pm PST--I may nibble on something else later.
I did:
Yogurt, Greek full fat, 1/2 cup
Cream, Heavy 3 T; with syrup, s/f

Thanks for telling us about Groves--is he British? I'll have to google his name and learn about his plan. How did you hear about Groves?

[banter]

Thanks for the welcomes, all!

Santabarb, Grove is British. I found him because I saw the book in a used book store. (I found this thread because of its beguiling title. I knew I would be in the land of the Butter People.) There's a good summary of his plan in the plan comparisons section of this site but I won't be able to find it now to do a link. (sorry)

It's a very simple plan. Eat lots of fat and stop worrying about saturated fat. Don't go over 60 carbs a day. Don't exercise unless you want to. (It was then I knew I was in love :) ) He does cite a lot of studies and the history of high fat dieting (all those Eskimo studies, etc.).

[santabarb]

Banter-
I love your Banting quote! Teehee! That's me in there too--especially the bread....But I'm cold turkey now!

I just took a peek at Groves' website, Veddy, veddy interesting...looks like someone who is a real pioneer, very brave, very smart, very caring.

[banter]

Yes, I certainly could relate to that quote! Beer isn't one of my sins, but I've drunk enough fruit juice and soda to make up for it. And of course, he does say "butter" but he's writing more than 100 years ago, and it's ok if he gets some things wrong. (Banting wasn't allowed veal or pork by his doctor either. Poor man.)

I like your Hippocrates quote, too. The Greeks got everything right except that tiny little flub about the earth being flat. Why don't we listen to them? :)

[santabarb]

Yeah, butter and no exercise! The only part missing is the baguette, and I'm set! Banter, I'm curious, since you are apparently new to these board, why did you choose so early to become a contributing member? I also plan to contribute once my weight has stabilized and I've made verifiable progress.

[banter]

Santabarb, I've been reading the board for a long time -- I use it for motivation every time I gear up to go back to low carb -- and I used to post here when the board was in its early days (I was a drop out :( ) So I figured I owed 'em. I also know how expensive it is to run a web site and know that every little bit helps.

I'd been reading this thread for a couple of weeks. Haven't gotten through all of it! But there's a lot of good info in here and you all sounded so SENSIBLE as well as witty (I love Bawdy's posts, too).

I'm so out of practice that I didn't respond to your comment that you were losing too fast. That happened to me on one of my many tries at this. I lost about 4 pounds in the first week, and then -- super whoosh!! I started to lose a pound a day. It scared me. I also felt nauseous and did not want to eat at all (I later learned that was deep ketosis -- I think. Anyway, it sent me scurrying back to WW where I lost at the predictable half pound a week and ate bread and other bad things :) Now I look back on that and think that my body was saying, "FINALLY. What was with you? That was the longest famine in human history. Thank goodness it's over. Let's get rid of this awful fat NOW." And I wish I listened.

[santabarb]

I know nothing about the expense of running websites. I thought once they were up and running you are pretty much done--what do I know? How many people run this website? Do they read everything we write? Do they do this fulltime? I sometimes wonder if we're not all ants under a microscope....

The great part is the incredible learning--this is sooo much better than trying to follow WW or an Atkins book to the tee on one's own. At WW there really is very little peer to peer interaction--just canned presentations, some awards, some claps, and home till next week to struggle on one's own.

Here, one can cudgel one's brains with the help of many other experienced brain cudgelers. At times one sees more primate behavior (among the men in particular) than is agreeable.

I'm amazed at how at this point, at least, this weight loss process is not a struggle. Cravings are gone. I'm not really anxious about food. Meat or eggs will always fill the bill, if nothing else is in the house. I do worry, of course. Just as you did when you had you a big drop. Saturating my brain with this website has clarified for me not to scurry back to WW. I just scurried from WW in February after a boring, month of hunger and cravings in January of 2006. I kept thinking I could have the bread and desserts like they say, but for me it just doesn't hack it! Period.

Low carb rocks! Or shall we say, "Banting will stop you from ranting!"

[banter]

On web sites, I have a friend who runs a very small web site compared to this one -- no more than 100 people on line at once. And he was kicked off by the firm that hosts his site because it was "too busy." He had to get a dedicated server, and his costs went from about $40 a month to $300 a month. SOMEBODY has to pay for this, so I figured that's why they ask for contributions. I don't think anyone is, well, getting fat from it :)

I'm looking forward to the interaction and support, too. There's nothing like instant answers, and sharing recipes, and tips, etc. I had two successful "diets" years ago (I'm 50-whatsit) and experienced the same thing you wrote about, not being anxious about food. I got it down to a routine. It was working. It didn't get in the way. I'm just restarting and not there yet, but I hope I will be!

[santabarb]

JandL,
Haven't heard from you in a few days. Are you doing OK? It's great to have your input too and Bawdy's. I think we've got a great group here of very savvy, caring women!

I'm pulling back a bit from the carnivore thread, I've learned a great deal there, but attacking seems to be a big part of their M.O. and, while they are a stimulating bunch, stress levels seem high over there. Sometimes one needs a rest from the fray :cool: .

[BawdyWench]

Actually, dunno how I did either, but Bawdy is such a wit, I had to hang around once I did.
Whaddayamean I'm a TWIT?!?!?!?!?!!?

Oh. WIT. Gotcha! ;)

Mind if I squeeze in? Looks like Banter and Barb and hogging this thread! Just kidding!

Barb, may I be so forward as to ask your age? You're "of a certain age," too, right? I chat with so many people, I sometimes forget the details. I'm seeing my Women to Women NP on WEdnesday, and hopefully she'll give me a hormone treatment plan. Are you the one on their supplements?

I'm just hoping that things start working for me once I get some hormones circulating again. I'm very slowly but steadily GAINING pounds, even though I'm doing the carnivore thing. Frustrating.

I still skim through Bear's thread, but don't join in. There are still some jewels to be found, but they're few and far between.

Gotta run. I'm at work and just taking a quick break.

[santabarb]

Whaddayamean I'm a TWIT?!?!?!?!?!!?

Oh. WIT. Gotcha! ;)

Mind if I squeeze in? Looks like Banter and Barb and hogging this thread! Just kidding!

Barb, may I be so forward as to ask your age? You're "of a certain age," too, right? I chat with so many people, I sometimes forget the details. I'm seeing my Women to Women NP on WEdnesday, and hopefully she'll give me a hormone treatment plan. Are you the one on their supplements?

I'm just hoping that things start working for me once I get some hormones circulating again. I'm very slowly but steadily GAINING pounds, even though I'm doing the carnivore thing. Frustrating.

Me? A certain age? Well I never.... :D

I'm just on their vitamins--Essential Nutrients. A NP is supposed to call be on Thursday. She didn't want me to drop my carbs from Schwarzbein level of 30 or so a meal. But obviously I have.

Did you stay off the merlot and the Irish drink, as you were planning? I find contradictory info on that topic, so I'm dry.

On the Meat and Egg thread yesterday or today one lady(might have been MissMary) had to increase her carbs to begin to lose again [Body says:'OK, she's not starving me after all.']

I certainly hope that your solution comes soon! Banging one's head against the wall hurts after a while, I know.... :confused:

We were hogging, glad you're back, "Thread Moderator" :p

[banter]

Sorry. Didn't realize this was a private club.

[unitydkn]

Sorry. Didn't realize this was a private club.oh it is not they are just teasing:lol: ...we are light over here so no one gets upset

[banter]

Thanks, Unity :)

[santabarb]

Sorry. Didn't realize this was a private club.

Now, Banter, you have met yet another friend, Unity. INDEED, IT WAS JUST A JOKE, just as Unity has observed. I know we are each thrilled to have you! Sometimes you'll 'over hear' Unity and Bawdy having a conversation back and forth. Not to worry.
So we're SENSIBLE, light-hearted people, and cordial,too!

[santabarb]

The use of the word 'hogging' was strictly for absurd effect. :daze: I hope you begin to see the results you're looking for very soon. In the meantime, I'm enchanted with the Barry Groves referral, as it lead me to a couple of other very worthy sites packed with valuable insights.

[nocarbs4gj]

A typical menu for me is about 70 percent fat a day. I have trouble getting it up to 80..

I have no trouble whatsoever getting up to close to 80% fat. I do it by eating avocado and bacon.

Glad I found this thread. I think the high-fat plan is definitely for me.

[nocarbs4gj]

I'm so out of practice that I didn't respond to your comment that you were losing too fast. That happened to me on one of my many tries at this. I lost about 4 pounds in the first week, and then -- super whoosh!! I started to lose a pound a day. It scared me. I also felt nauseous and did not want to eat at all (I later learned that was deep ketosis -- I think.

Do tell, Dawling. What were you eating to achieve this? How many calories/what percentage of fat, etc.? If I lost a pound a day, I would be snoopy dancing, even if I had some nausea.

Just color me ready-for-a-super-whoosh.

[Jen B]

I just found this thread. I think it might be a good place for me to hang out. Here are my fitday numbers from yesterday, a typical day for me:

Calories Eaten Today: 1809

Fat: 165 1487 83%
Sat: 87 783 44%
Poly: 20 176 10%
Mono: 47 420 23%

Carbs: 3 11 1%

Fiber: 0 0 0%

Protein: 74 298 17%

I rarely eat anything but fat and protein. I have lost my taste for veggies, especially cooked ones. I'll occasionally eat some raw cultured veggies or a small salad, but feel better if I don't. More energy, sleep better.

My weight has been on a plateau for a couple months now, but this past week, I dropped 3 lbs, so it seems to be "on the move" again. I don't exercise right now because of osteoarthritis degeneration in my hips (lots of pain and exhaustion). I'm having a hip replacement surgery in 3 weeks. Then the other hip needs the surgery as well. It seems that my change to LC, sobriety, and weight loss was too-little-too-late for my poor hip joints.

I'm 53 (definitely a certain age).

I'm very interested in (and sold on) the tremendous benefits of a high-fat, moderate protein, VLC WOE. I'm glad to come upon others who are on a similar path. The original carnivore thread is way too volatile for my nature, and the meat-and-egg thread is way too active for me to keep up with.

Just wanted to drop in and say howdy ...

[banter]

Barb -- thanks, I'm fine.

Gina, when I had the one pound a day loss (and only for three days before I chickened out) I was just doing garden variety Atkins. I think I retain a lot of water when eating bread and other starches, and that was what was going on. Thanks for the suggestions. I have no trouble eating lots of bacon.

Are we supposed to be worried about the nitrates? Or is that another false alarm?