Fat's Where It's At!

[BawdyWench]

Hi, there! I was around when the High-Fat Honeys (HFH) was founded. I followed it for a while, and then slowly fell away. Since that time I've had all kinds of issues -- won't bore you with it all here.

Anyway, recently I've run across a couple ladies (and gents) who advocate a high-fat, moderate-protein, extremely low carb way of eating. I, for one, try to shoot for 75% fat, 20% protein, and 5% carbs (no fiber deducted). I try to keep my calories up (currently around 2000) because I work out a lot and have been told by three doctors in a row now (in addition to zillions of people on the board here) that my 1400 calories a day was starving my body.

Unlike the HFHs, I don't believe you need to strive for these percentages at each and every meal. There are no rules here, at least none originating from me. If you'd like to stop by, chat a bit, and share some recipes, I'd love to hear from you.

Oh, I wanted to mention that I do try to use coconut oil whenever possible, but haven't found too many ways that I like using it. Maybe others have ideas.

Anyone interested?

[ChicknLady]

Hi Bawdy! Your new thread idea is perfect. I'm also in favor of a more flexible approach to fat intake, and too many rules are no fun anyway.

I've been LC for a year now, and am pretty close to my goal. I started with Atkins, then realized that I don't do very well when I try to introduce carbs back into my diet. So for long-term weight maintenance, I've decided that high-fat, moderate protein, and as few carbs as possible is the way for me to go.

I am a big coconut oil advocate, and have up to 4 Tbsp. every day. I use it in my tea, and for cooking food. I do alot of eggs, beef, and dairy (cheese, cream). I am also very active, and try to keep around 2000 cals to lose weight, but can do up to 3000 without weight gain.

[BawdyWench]

OK, my turn. I'm turning 51 next month and waiting for my estrogen to run out. Blood tests say I'm not menopausal yet, but I know it's coming. I've struggled this past year and gained 20 pounds despite eating less and working out more.

I'm 5'6" and currently weigh 167. I like being around 152. I'd probably love being 145 more, but haven't been there in about 20 years.

I like eating HF, MP, ELC, but find I rely too much on heavy cream and cream cheese. Here's today's menu, which I guess is pretty typical (this is only my fourth day, by the way):

Breakfast: Bawdy's Pumpkin Porridge (recipe in my journal) topped with butter and SF maple syrup, 2 sausage links
Snack: 2 oz cream cheese mixed with 1 Tbsp macadamia nut butter, 1 Tbsp heavy cream, and a bit of Splenda
Lunch: can of chunk light tuna with 3 Tbsp Miracle Whip
Snack: 1 Chocolate/Coconut bite (12 oz coconut oil, 1 oz unsweetened chocolate, a tablespoon of Splenda, mix together and put in 14-serving ice cube tray)
Dinner: 5 oz. cube steak fried in olive oil and butter (eaten with all the fat from the pan, and then some!), faux mashed potatoes with butter

This comes out to 2,176 calories with ratios of 70% fat, 23% protein, and 5% carbs.

[ChicknLady]

Hi again! Your menu sounds really yummy! My menu is normally pretty plain, alot because I get lazy sometimes when it comes to food preparation. This is me today, so far, (and Day 3, refocused):

BF: green tea with 2 Tbsp (that's right! Tablespoons) coconut oil, dash Splenda, and 1/4 cup cream
Snack: several chunks of cheese, 3 squares 70% Lindt dark chocolate
lunch: leg, thigh, half a breast rotisserie chicken
snack: chunk of cheese, beef stick
dinner: think it's going to be chicken wings, wine.

I do alot of eggs, hamburgers, and sardines, too, but they didn't make it into the menu today. The chicken smelled so good when I went to the store that I had to buy it! :yum:

Anybody else have a menu?

[BawdyWench]

Wine? You're having wine? Can I come over? I'm out of wine and everything else in the house. WAIT!!! I just remembered I have a bottle of champagne in the fridge.

:daze:

On a more serious note, do you think that drinking alcohol has slowed down your loss any? I do enjoy a glass (or two) of wine or Irish whiskey in the evening. Sometimes I definitely know that I get the munchies when I have some, but other times not so sure if it really affects my loss at all. My lack of losing could be attributed to soooooo many other things, after all!

May I ask how old you are? A woman's body reacts to things differently at 30 and at 50. Just curious. (You don't have to answer if you don't want to.)

PS: I've been LCing since 1999. Much of the time has been spent in the low 150s, but I keep jumping back up to 165 or theresabouts.

[BawdyWench]

OK, so scratch what I had put down for dinner tonight. A couple glasses of Champagne sounded oh so much better!

;)

[santabarb]

Hello, Bawdy Wench (your name is so Shakespeare!) and ChicknLady--
Mind if I drop in? I'm just learning. Bawdy Wench I'm so glad you mentioned coconut oil, because I bought some, but had no clue what to do with it--yay, make chocolate, or tea!
I have yet to hear any low carb writer advocate wine or liquor. Schwarzbein says it's converted to fat right quick, because it's a sugar. Alas! Maybe two Saturdays a month?
Drs. Richard and Rachael Heller of the Carbohydrate Addict's Diet say absolutely no sweeteners, because in their practice out of Mt Sinai Hospital, they found that people who start using Equal and Splenda and such stall. They attribute this to the insulin response in the body--sweetness reminiscent of sugar causes the body to automatically release insulin. You can look at their website--it's not too fancy--it mentions this phenomenon. Their books are much better.
As far as a menu for ChicknLady, you'll get some ideas from the Hellers books. But how about 1) roast beef rolled up around cream cheese inside of a lettuce leaf; 2) cottage cheese with baby spinach; 3) hamburger with brie melted on top; 4)chicken with green onions, green chile sauce, and Mexican cheese melted on top. I think I got that from Linda's recipes on the internet. It was a huge success.
I'm more focused on the Schwarzbein Principle for the time being. Moving sloooowly, which I attribute in part to an ancient metabolism, or maybe sneaking in unauthorized sweeteners!

[BawdyWench]

Hi, Barb! While it is true that alcohol is metabolized first, it IS ok on certain plans like Protein Power. The Eades say to have your glass of wine, just be sure to count the carbs. In fact, wine INHIBITS insulin spikes. They even site studies where people ate the same things, but those who drank wine with their dinner lost more than those who abstained. Interesting, huh?

Artificial sweeteners is another topic that is heavily debated. I think if you have the equivalent of 6 or 7 sodas or other sweets a day, the artificial sweetener probably won't do you any good. On the other hand, if you have maybe one serving a day, I don't see that it will do any harm at all.

I'm not convinced that Scharzbein is the way to go -- for me, anyway. Others have found it to be the only plan that works for them. I just don't like eating that much that often, and I don't like eating grains and starchy carbs on a regular basis.

I guess we each have to find what works for us.

Thanks for the input!!!

[cajuda]

I'd like to join. (Did read some of the pages from the HFH thread but, my goodness, 58 pages!!?? Who's got time for that?) Have been doing high fat for 3 days now and have lost 1.5 lbs. My menus have consisted of eggs, chix thighs, mayo and coconut oil in coffee and a few forkfuls of whatever veggies I've made for DH.

So the ONE (whew!) rule is to keep your fat percentage around 70% for the entire day and not each meal??? I've easily been getting up around 75-80% per meal/snack with the addition of coconut oil in my coffee.

Have a great 'fatty' day today.

[ChicknLady]

Good morning! Welcome Barb! I see you just recently started LCing-way to go! I just passed the one-year mark in mid-Feb, and am really thankful that I found this WOL. I don't know much about Schwartzbein- what are the rules?

I drink merlot, which is a very dry red wine, and has about 1 carb per ounce. I also read somewhere that it has the most antioxidants of any wine, so it's fortunate that I like it better than any other wine anyway! I'll have one or two glasses (4 ounces?) several times a week, when I'm in the mood. I'll have an occasional low carb beer, like Mick Ultra (2-3 carbs per bottle). I don't think the alcohol really stalls me- it's more the cheese and nut over-eating.

Bawdy, I'm 38, so haven't gotten into the CHANGE issue yet. Friend of mine went thru it, and has done OK but she's having a harder time losing weight. 'Course she's a low-fatter despite all my efforts. Good luck to her!

I do drink diet pop some, but it didn't seem to stall me when I lost the majority of my weight last summer. I hit about 140, and the loss just stopped, like that's where my body wants to be. I's still like to see 135 before I die, but I'm not going to obcess about it! I'm focusing now on better health, and making LC a more solid part of my life (I still have sweets-cravings, and occasionally fall off the wagon once in a while).

[ChicknLady]

Hi Cajuda! Your post popped in while I was typing, so I didn't see you- WELCOME!

You know, I've never really sat down and figured how many calories I get from fat vs. protein. I should do that for a day just to see what I'm getting. I think Bawdy suggested that we scrap the 70% goal from the old thread anyway, and just concentrate on making sure we get 'plenty'. I'm a firm believer in a high-fat diet for long-term health, not just as a weight-loss tool (although it works very well!).

[santabarb]

Woohoo! Break out the wine!
You have given me so much 'food for thought,' I cannot do it justice at this moment. But I will definitely follow up on these insights.
Chickn, I'll get back to you on your Schwarzbein query when I have a window of time. I suspect that Bawdy knows quite a bit about it too.
I can't tell you how much I appreciate hearing from you, Bawdy Wench, ChicknLady and Cajuda. Fats are fabulous. I'm happy with fat. Let's keep it going!

[BawdyWench]

Here's a synopsis of the Schwarzbein plan: http://www.lowcarb.ca/atkins-diet-and-low-carb-plans/schwarzbein-principle.html

[ChicknLady]

Thanks for the link- so Schwarzbien sounds like a basic LC-type plan? It appears that it stresses the leaner meats like pork, chicken and fish, and non-carby veggies, olive oil etc... It sounds like it's similar to South Beach?

When I first started Atkins last year, I did it by the book, and ate my veggies like it said, but I just couldn't warm up to eating so many, so often. I like a salad once in a while eating out, and fresh broccoli and tomatoes in the summer, but I've accepted the fact that I'm just not ever going to be really into vegetables.

DH bought ten pounds of T-bones last night to put in the freezer, so I had one for BF this morning. MMMMMM! Gotta love that fat.

[jande2211]

OK, everybody over to ChicknLady's digs for breakfast!

[BawdyWench]

I'm in! :agree:

[jande2211]

Cool. Just run the meat by the flame till it screams for me.

But nothing raw. <shudders>

Unless it's sashimi.

[ChicknLady]

BF this morning- omellette with fresh pork sausage and cheese. Eight-thirty-ish sound good? Nightgowns and slippers are perfectly acceptable.

[cajuda]

I better get a move on if I want to join you guys for breakfast. :D

Have been drinking coconut oil in my coffee quite a bit since Mon (when I started eating higher fat). Down 2 lbs. so happy with that. Have been hitting 70%-80% every meal for the most part. Coconut oil helps bring the fat percentage up.

I've been up for 2 hours already and not even hungry yet. Haven't even decided what I'm going to have for breakfast. Maybe a bratwurst and flax wrap? Or, cream cheese/egg pancake with butter?

Hope you all have a great day!

[BawdyWench]

No eggs in the house!!!!! No sausage either!!!!! I ended up having 3 oz of cream cheese, 2 Tbsp of SF peanut butter, 1 Tbsp heavy cream and a couple teaspoons of Splenda all mixed together. Too much Splenda, though. Need to cut down -- too sweet. Can't say it sets off cravings, just too sweet.

Last night DH and I went out to eat. The French restaurant we went to has the most divine French bread -- I've never had better -- so I had two small slices with LOTS of butter. For dinner I had a large boneless chicken breast positively smothered in a camembert cheese sauce. The sauce also had some kind of nut (macadamia? almond?) in it. Heavenly! I had a few bites of broccoli.

Hey, has anyone been following this thread: http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=287013

VERY interesting. Makes you really think about the whole veggie thing. I've studied paleontology for years and years (since college, actually), but didn't make the connection between human evolution and the way we evolved to eat until just a couple years ago. I don't want to start the whole debate here, but check it out if you're interested. Makes me even more justified in eating this way.

And you know what? Skipping all the veggies and concentrating on meat and fat would be much easier for DH to follow. He simply doesn't like veggies. Never has. I've gotten him to eat a few veggies over the years, but he'll avoid them like the plague if he can (except corn and cucumbers -- he loves those).

So maybe my insistence that he (and I) eat veggies is just social pressure and not based on any fact. Hmmmmmm.

Calls for an experiment, if you ask me. I think I'll cut veggies completely from our diets for a while and see what happens.

I'll try to post my menus daily (or at least semi-regularly) along with my totals. Operative word here is "try."

[ChicknLady]

I've been following theBear's thread with great interest, alot because I'm really not a big veggiie eater anyway. I enjoy them occasionally, as long as they are smothered in butter! He got me thinking- my favorite veggie dish is Brussel sprouts, boiled for four minutes, sauteed in coconut oil with seasonings, then smothered in butter. NOW, try a raw sprout and it's the nastiest thing imagineable! I have to really doctor up my veggies in order to make them palatable- and that revelation sent a big fat QUESTION mark into my head. If some guy can live for so long, and apparently quite healthily, on just MEAT products, then why force down the veggies?

I think you're right- there IS alot of social pressure to eat veggies- "everybody knows they're good for you!". The same people who tell you whole grain is good for you- now, nutritionally, what is the real difference bewteen a slice of whole grain bread and a poptart? Not much. They're both just a wad of carbs.

[jande2211]

I've not been listing what I've been eating. Yikes. Can't remember all of yesterday, but dindin was 3 romaine leafs with roastbeef, cheddar (no swiss, darn it) and mayo slathered on.

Not really hungry this a.m. Feel like I'm supposed to eat something, but I'm just not hungry.

One way I've been getting coconut oil in is making a fudge plate with it, coco powder, splenda and vanilla. Think this is a bad call on my part?? I just can't choke down the CO in my coffee. The other way I use CO is to cook veggies, but I'm more a salad person anyway. Guess I could just eat the stuff right from the jar.

[BawdyWench]

Here's one way I get coconut oil. I originally got this recipe off this forum somewhere, but have changed it enough that I can call it my own.

Bawdy's Coconut Bars

14 oz coconut oil
1/4 cup coconut milk
1/2 cup SF peanut butter (I use super chunky)
2 Tbsp coconut extract (vanilla is fine)
1/2 tsp salt

Melt this together in a heavy saucepan over low. You don't need to cook it, just melt it all together.

Add 1/2 cup Splenda and stir until blended.

Add 2 cups unsweetened coconut.

Stir in 4 scoops of whey protein.

Pour into a 9x9 pan and press down with the back of a spoon. Chill until firm. Cut into bars. Keep refrigerated.

For 12 servings:

280 calories
25 grams fat (78%)
7 grams carbs (11%)
9 grams protein (13%)

Yes, the carbs are a little high, but I was still able to come out to 71% fat, 25% protein, and 4% carbs for the day. AND, it's very filling.

[ChicknLady]

I've tried the coconut oil bark, and just can't warm up to it. When I need a chocloate fix, I've been eating Lindt's 70% dark chocolate, which only a few carbs per square. Recently, I finally found the Lindt 85% dark chocolate, and think I can handle it, and it has almost no carbs. It's strong enough to be almost un-overeatable.

A local grocery store has a big meat sale, so we're all stocked up with lotsa good stuff. I bought a 3-pound blob of their homemade BF sausage, fresh, with no preservatives, just salt, pepper, and sage. Had another ommelette with it and Amer. cheese for BF. I made a big LC pizza yesterday, and will nibble on that for lunches the next few days. Chicken for dindin tonite.

[sunrise02]

Here's one way I get coconut oil. I originally got this recipe off this forum somewhere, but have changed it enough that I can call it my own.

Bawdy's Coconut Bars

14 oz coconut oil
1/4 cup coconut milk
1/2 cup SF peanut butter (I use super chunky)
2 Tbsp coconut extract (vanilla is fine)
1/2 tsp salt

Melt this together in a heavy saucepan over low. You don't need to cook it, just melt it all together.

Add 1/2 cup Splenda and stir until blended.

Add 2 cups unsweetened coconut.

Stir in 4 scoops of whey protein.

Pour into a 9x9 pan and press down with the back of a spoon. Chill until firm. Cut into bars. Keep refrigerated.

For 12 servings:

280 calories
25 grams fat (78%)
7 grams carbs (11%)
9 grams protein (13%)

Yes, the carbs are a little high, but I was still able to come out to 71% fat, 25% protein, and 4% carbs for the day. AND, it's very filling.

OMG! This recipe alone tells me this could be "home!" LOL

BW--thanks for the invite...

[BawdyWench]

You're welcome, Sunrise. Did you read my original thread? NO RULES!!! I don't have a problem with rules that have some basis in scientific fact, but not arbitrary rules that seem made up because of personal preferences.

Welcome!

[Bobi-p]

I can't believe that I missed this thread!
I've been following theBear's thread too, and I like the idea of not having to choke down veggies every day, unless I want a couple of tomatoe and cuke slices with mayo.
My ratio yesterday, according to Fitday, was 77% Fat, 21% Protein, 3% Carb. It was a higher caloried eating day for me than usual. Almost 1500 cals. Probably because I'm home on Saturdays. I am 59, and almost to goal. I'm 5'9" tall and female.
Hope I can join in your thread. I used to post in my Journal, MyP.L.A.N., but got questioned too much on my veggie intake, so I kind of stopped a month ago!
Today, I plan to have a NY broiled steak with butter slathered on top and a drop of A-1 steak sauce. I've already had my breakfast coffee, Starbuck's black; snack coffee, Starbuck's, Torani SF vanilla syrup with almond extract, and 2 tsp coconut oil, and heavy whipping cream. I always end my day with a couple of cups of green tea, Chai variety. And, oh yes, my Walmart brand multi-vits . :)

[sunrise02]

You're welcome, Sunrise. Did you read my original thread? NO RULES!!! I don't have a problem with rules that have some basis in scientific fact, but not arbitrary rules that seem made up because of personal preferences.

Welcome!

Thank you for the welcome. Yes, read the entire thread. NO RULES? LOL-I think I may have found my "niche." I totally agree about the arbitrary rules that seem made up because of personal preferences. Still being somewhat new to this WOL, I need specific guidelines for specific reasons.

Today's menu:
B: eggs and bacon
S: 1 oz pork rinds
L: corned beef (on sale 'cause of Paddy's Day)
S: coconut oil in tea
D: homemade hot wings
water--1 gal
supplements: multi, VIT D, Primrose Oil, cinnamon, red yeast rice, L-Carnitine, CQ-10

I may do some flaxseed bread later

Hurray for FAT 'cept on me! Best to all! S
So, I ended up not eating flax stuff and finished up at 72/28/0

[BawdyWench]

Believe me when I say I'm no moderator and I don't want to take credit for starting a new plan, and I really don't want people asking me for the rules.

Whatever goes is what goes here.

[ChicknLady]

I think the "no rules" thing is a perfect idea. My main goal is to eat as few carbs as possible, and eat a high percent of fat. I still haven't sat down to see what I'm getting, but it has to be +-70% fat. I eat the whole egg, I eat almost all the fat on steaks (except the really hard gnarly stuff), I buy 73% 'lean' ground beef, and usually pour all the "beef oil" back onto my burger from George's amazing little drip pan. Plus the coconut oil in my tea. I eat the chicken skin, and normally just the dark meat. I eat alot of cheese, so I don't do a true meat and egg thing. Just high-fat, animal products. Veggies only when it's unavoidable. I do, however, still use some ketchup on my burgers, and a light coat of sauce on my LC pizza. I'm not a fanatic.

I want to try to reduce my calorie intake, as that's really my stalling point, and keep as close as possible to only animal products. I gave up the nuts, so that'll help. I was getting tired of them anyway.

Hi Bobi, and welcome! You've come a long ways! Was it all low carb? I'm impressed!

[Bobi-p]

Yes, Beth... It was LC all the way, since August 28, 2005! When I "cheated", it was usually on cheese; cocoa, cream cheese, splenda and butter, softened in the microwave. That's when I gave into stress eating and needed sweets! It didn't happen too often, though, because I love this way of eating. Since getting involved in theBear's thread, I gave myself license to skip the veggies I dislike so much. They don't like me too much either because I usually end up with a stomach ache!
YAY for fat and meat!!!

[bella_meow]

Here's a tip from a bodybuilder, not me but here it is:

2 grams of protein per pound of weight
12 calories per pound of weight

that's the best way to lose weight, good luck. You should sit down and figure it out, the best way to tackle something is to look at it at every possible angle.

[santabarb]

Hello, Santa Barb here.

I am also astounded by Bobi P's progress and wonder if you'd be willing to say how long and by what means did you lose so darn much weight! I'm at the very early stages.
I did do the coconut oil thing for a couple of days and it certainly does not cause constipation....
I have a newfangled scale I bought at Brookstone's by Tanita and it measures not only body fat, but water weight, bones, visceral fat. I am losing weight. But I am also losing muscle mass and gaining fat. Body fat is not metabolically active. So I am going to back off from my fat fest and be a bit more Schwarzbeinian (i.e., incorporate more carbs in 'well rounded meals'), and evaluate from there.
Somehow walking a total of 4 miles (by the end of the day) is not building enough muscle mass. Am I doomed to lifting weights at a gym? If so, so be it. I need to keep building muscle mass or this may not work in the long term.

I appreciate you BawdyChickn Sunrise. I learn a lot from the posts. Thanks for the Bawdy Coconut Bar recipe!

I ate at a Chinese all you can eat buffet with a large group of people today and certainly did not stay on program! But I was fairly abstemious in the sugar and carb category compared to a month ago, and honestly sugar did not seem so great. It's chocolate I crave more. Better find those Lindt 85% dark chocolate bars you spoke of.
Bawdy, I find it interesting that quite a few paleontologists end up teaching courses on skeletal science to students at medical colleges to support their paleontology habit. They excavate ancient fossil remains and go to paleontology seminars in their spare time.

Thank you all for posting.

[BawdyWench]

Here's a tip from a bodybuilder, not me but here it is:

2 grams of protein per pound of weight
12 calories per pound of weight

that's the best way to lose weight, good luck. You should sit down and figure it out, the best way to tackle something is to look at it at every possible angle.
I believe that would be 2 grams of protein per pound of LEAN body weight (your weight calculated without your fat, bones, innards, etc.). Otherwise, I'd be eating 320 grams of protein every day! That's a bit much. But even using my lean body weight (around 110), 220 grams of protein is also quite extreme.

The 12 calories per pound of weight sounds more on the mark. Mine would be around 2000. If you used lean body weight, it would be around 1100, which is low.

[ChicknLady]

I went thru the Protein Power protein calculations, and ended up with around 70 grams of protein. Now, if you're a hard-core bodybuilder, and need to maintain and build lotsa muscles, then you definately need to boost it up some.

SantaBarb- yeah, it wouldn't hurt to add some resistance training. But are you sure that you are LOSING muscle and gaining fat right now? Seems to me with adequate protein (and any meat and egg type diet should be providing plenty) you should not be losing muscle, unless maybe you are entirely sedentary, which it sounds like you're not.

I do some resistance workouts, simple ones like pushups, pullups, tricep dips, bidep curls etc... But I'm on-again, off-again with it. I'm very active at work and home, so I get alot of exercize just doing my normal routine. My favorite exercise are powerwalks on the hill behind the house, about an hour of up and down cardio. I try to really push going up the hill, and get a good leg and lung burn going.

Another omellette this morning (need to use up the sausage), then more LC pizza for lunch (that stuff is really good! anyone try it?).

Bobi- just noticed, you lost all that weight since last August??? Way to go! :thup:

[cajuda]

Hello again.....have been feeling downright rotten since yesterday. Haven't eaten much. I'm making chix. soup right now which should help settle the stomach. My goodness, Bobi-P, you put my loss to shame. :lol: I've been LCing a lot longer than you but I'm proud I've lost 40. :thup: My menu today will be chix. soup. Have a good day you all.

[Bobi-p]

Since it's Monday, today, I'm back to my hectic work week schedule. This means eating on the run. I'm planning on having broiled salmon with lots of butter and some eggs with mayo. That's as far as I got in planning for today!
Have a good day today, everyone, and I'll be checking in again tonite before bed.

[jande2211]

I managed to get two eggs in coconut oil down this a.m. Not sure what's for dindin.

Bawdy, I'll have to try that recipe! Especially when the ole cycle rears it's very ugly, ugly head, eh.

[santabarb]

Bobi-P, Can you guide me to "the bear thread?"You mention "the bear thread." I don't know what that it is or how to find it.

I try to consistently get in 10,000 steps a day, but I'm not walking up hills, per se. Maybe I should do more of that.

Breakfast: I've had 2 eggs cooked in coconut oil with salsa, a very low (7 carb) bread--buttered of course, and a quarter of a smallish organic apple.

[santabarb]

ChicknLady--
Thank you for the response. I am going by what this fancy scale says, I really can't find another way to corroborate that it's muscle I'm losing, while gaining fat. But the body composition is changing according to this scale.

I'll try more hill work and more weights and see if this scale registers a difference.

You mention lc pizza. I'd certainly like to give it a try. Where do I find the recipe?

Congratulations on the 72%! That's progress!

[ChicknLady]

Hi Santabarb! Here's a link to the recipe I'vebeen using: http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=44087
I absolutely love it, and it is very low carb, high fat.

[unchubby]

Hello!

I've enjoyed reading the posts so far! It's hard to really know what to buy into on this site. I find myself not losing weight, but losing some space. I read others saying eat less calories, eat more calories, etc. I was thinking that I am not eating enough fat and may actually be eating to few calories. I don't know. I tried putting all of it into fitday, but when you make everything from scratch, it's hard to really get everything into fitday. Ugh!

My frustration is that I have only lost 3 pounds in 1 1/2 months. I lost 35 pounds on low carb years ago and kept it off until last year. Now, I want to lose the 10 lbs I gained plus the last 10 lbs that I never lost. Anyway-I like your idea of no rules. I'm tired of following rules and not listening to my own body!

[Bobi-p]

Here's the thread,

http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=287013

[sunrise02]

Bobi-p--You ARE an inspiration! It seems like I have so far to go but--just think --if I'd started last Aug. when you did--I be that much closer now! Oh well--can't go back but I can choose what I do today!

Today's menu:

B: mock Danish (egg, cr cheese, cinnamon, stevia)
S: coffee w/cream bacon
L: leftover corned beef w/mustard
S: coconut/choc bark
D: shrimp, butter, cream, parmesan
Percentages: whooaa 87/11/2
Cals: 1501
3 liters water

supplements: multi, VIT D, Primrose Oil, cinnamon, red yeast rice, L-Carnitine, CQ-10

I didn’t get all my water in. Really should have with the corned beef being so salty.

I really appreciate you all being here. I don’t have anyone ‘cept myself to be accountable to and this daily accountability really helps. Interestingly, it helps most with my vitamins and supplements!
edit: Yep, accountability really works--I just downed the last water to make my 1 gal.

[jande2211]

OK, the eggs and CO I mentioned earlier. For lunch, roast beef and cheese. Dinner was a 1/2 lb burger in its own fat and stuff. Not bad.

[ChicknLady]

Hi Unchubby! Big thing is, don't get discouraged. Keep trying different things, and see what works for you. From your profile, it looks like you're an incredibly busy person, and it's tough to do everything. I've found that I do best with really low carbs, and moderate calorie intake, which for me is like 2000/day-ish. With the high-fat/moderate protein plan, I think you can't fail. Sticking WITH it is the tought part for ALL of us. I know what works for me, it's just DOING it that's hard!

I had my sausage omellette for BF, LC pizza for late lunch, and skipped 'dinner' and had cheese and wine for 'dessert'. BF and lunch provided me with plenty calories and fat, so I thought I'd treat myself! The cool thing about high fat/low carb is that I'm NEVER hungry- but unfortunately I still CRAVE occasionally. I'm a work in progress. TheBear is my inspiration!

[santabarb]

You are all awesome! Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge and success.

[santabarb]

Thanks, Bobi-P-and ChicknLady:
I found 'the bear' and the deep dish pizza quiche. Amazing that he could lose 250 lbs. eating the stuff. It'll be on Wednesday's menu, for sure!
Thanks, Sunrise, for your menu. I'll shop for it, too. Danishes, bacon,shrimp, chocolate--what's to complain about???
I'm finishing my second liter of water, but looks like 3 is better, huh?

[santabarb]

Hello, Bawdy, Chickn and all high fatters--
I found something very exciting by checking the mercola website. An M.D. called Ron Rosedale has written several articles there about the benefits of a fat based diet in layman's terms.
Check out: Http://www.mercola.com/2005jun/9/fatburn.com. Also: http://www.mercola.com/2005/jul/7/muscle_fuel.htm
Here's a quote:
"When you're a true fat burner, your cells eat fat even when you're not eating....You're burning fat all the time, even when you're sleeping, and you don't eat your muscles and your bone. Your brain doesn't care whether
the fat just came from what you eat, or whether it comes from deep in your viscera by delving into your fat stores."
Thanks for pointing the way.

[ChicknLady]

Good morning high fatties! Not much hungry this morning, so might just have my green tea with the coconut oil. Gotta run son to preschool soon anyway.

Hi Santabarb! Looks like you're doing your homework! Attagirl. I haven't had a chance to check out your links. The one thing, though, I remember about Rosedale, is that he's anti-saturated fat. Alot of people seem to think he's giving in to the PCers in his diet recommendations because of it- doesn't want to be "shunned" by the medical community like Atkins was.

[sunrise02]

"You're burning fat all the time, even when you're sleeping,

Good Morning All! Hurray! This is good news since I have just woken up. Hopefully, my fat burning body was hard at work while I was in La-la Land
Have a great day!

[lilpinky]

hey i would like to join!
today im eating
b:bacon 1 egg
L:harboiled eggs
s:coffee with coconut oil
D Pork Roast

comes out to 1600 cals 80% fat 15% protien, 5 carbs. its my first official day! Hopefully this will work well:-)

i did 20 minutes on a stair stepper as well, yeesh, lol "felt the burn" big time alright. lol

[sunrise02]

hey i would like to join!
today im eating
b:bacon 1 egg
L:harboiled eggs
s:coffee with coconut oil
D Pork Roast

comes out to 1600 cals 80% fat 15% protien, 5 carbs. its my first official day! Hopefully this will work well:-)

i did 20 minutes on a stair stepper as well, yeesh, lol "felt the burn" big time alright. lol

Lilpinky--Of course, I do not know the amounts but this does not seem like very much food for 1600 cals. I have wondered about this in others' menus, too. I have been using Fitday. I feel like I eat like a horse but usually come up with an average of about 1350 cals.

Could I be doing something wrong??

Y'all have a Fine Fat Day!
S

PS WELCOME Pinky!

[jande2211]

Here's a quote:
"When you're a true fat burner, your cells eat fat even when you're not eating....You're burning fat all the time, even when you're sleeping, and you don't eat your muscles and your bone. Your brain doesn't care whether
the fat just came from what you eat, or whether it comes from deep in your viscera by delving into your fat stores."


OK, I don't mean to be an idiot here (just come by it naturally :D ) but . ..

1. If we were true fat burners, we wouldn't be in this fix in the first place, right?

2. If the body doesn't care where it's coming from, when why eat fat and just let it focus on the bodyfat?


Sorry, I'm not trying to stir up anything, no debates, just need instruction on this. Thanks.

[lilpinky]

hey, i use fit day too. the i ate 6 pieces of bacon and with the brand i use its like 600 calories right there, lol.and i had 5 harboiled eggs thats 375..ect. lol it goes up pretty fast. then of course therse 2 tbs of mayonaise and the pork ect... :-) the coconut oil i use is def what ups the caloriest he most, i mix a few tbs with each cup of coffee. not pleasant tasting... but whatever. lol :-)

[LOOPS]

Hi everybody -

I thought I'd join in with this as I am also doing high fat - particularly high animal saturated fat. I've been doing this since I restarted low-carb awhile back - mostly because I prefer eating that way to eating higher protein/moderate fat. I find I'm much less hungry like this, and also believe this is healthier than trying to eat lots of protein when I don't have an appetite for it.

I've had to tweak my plan a little, as even after several months I didn't have enough energy to do sprints in my tennis training - so now I'm doing high fat/very low carb most of the day, then I have a carb snack just before my tennis (only ~20g), which I believe is TKD style.

I don't feel these carbs push me out of ketosis, because after training I still don't get hungry for a long time. I have a problem with breakfast - I will only eat eggs if they are with bacon, lard and butter - otherwise I can't really face eating first thing.

Recently I was eating too many nuts, and am quitting these. I take magnesium anyway, and that is one of the reasons I was eating them, as this mineral has been very helpful for my mental/physical health.

Anyway it's good to join a group that feels the same way about doing high fat for low carb!

BTW, I haven't really lost much weight, but I am on high fat for other reasons (although I would like to lose a bit). I think my body composition has changed a little, but recently I find myself back up to 63 kilos from 60, so I don't think I will weigh myself much from now on - as I don't want to end up giving up on this WOE.

I haven't cut out vegetables completely, and I am still taking supplements - especially magnesium, but I'm trying to see how many veggies I really want, instead of eating them because I think I should.

I do still eat a few tomatoes and broccoli, but I am quite thankful I can give up things like spinach and chard, which I was forcing down because I believed I needed the nutrients.

I'm hoping that my residual acne eczema will respond, as I think they are due to allergies to some things in vegetables. The high fat certainly has helped with my skin quality overall.

[sunrise02]

hey, i use fit day too. the i ate 6 pieces of bacon and with the brand i use its like 600 calories right there, lol.and i had 5 harboiled eggs thats 375..ect. lol it goes up pretty fast. then of course therse 2 tbs of mayonaise and the pork ect... :-) the coconut oil i use is def what ups the caloriest he most, i mix a few tbs with each cup of coffee. not pleasant tasting... but whatever. lol :-)

Yep--that coconut oil does that! Thanks for sharing. I just wanted to be sure I was not missing something.

Hi Loops! LOL--I MISS the greens!

[jande2211]

I'm hoping that my residual acne eczema will respond, as I think they are due to allergies to some things in vegetables. The high fat certainly has helped with my skin quality overall.


Hey, Loops, WELCOME! (luv that -- where did you get that?), my acne came when I went nuts with sugars and flours (cookies, cakes, etc. -- ya know the drill) and was cleared up in 2-3 weeks. Seriously.

I have a patch of eczema on the back of my head that is fighting every step of the way. But I'm hopeful. It seemed to improve when I cut much of the dairy. But I can't give up cream or occasional cheese.

I enjoy certain veggies too. I like spinash, raw or sauteed, and am a salad lover. Tomatoes, cukes, lettuces (various). I won't give them up either if I'm wanted a nice salad. Broccoli can take a hike tho. It visits me noisily later.

[ChicknLady]

Hi Loops! It took me a LONG time to adjust to LC, like almost half a year, before my body really accepted burning fat for energy. I was really wondering for a while, because everything you read says you get your energy back in a few days to a week or two at the most. I've since found others who had the same experience. How long have you been LCing?

The calories really do add up fast, doing high fat. I added up the total from my cheeseburger at lunch, and it was pushing 800 calories! Of course, it was nearly half a pound of beef! BUT, it's five hours later now, and I have yet to really want any more food!

[santabarb]

Wow! This is quite a hot spot. It's great to see people from all over collaborating. Hi, Lil pinky, Sunrise, Loops and ChicknLady.Yeah, coconut oil pretty much sucks in coffee.

Answer to Jandee 2211:
I think Rosedale is saying that if there is no interference from carbs, the body naturally lives off of fat. He says it has two sources of energy: sugars or fats, but fats are the preferred fuel source.
We got into this fix because the multitudinous sugars in our low fat high carb diet trained our cells to use sugar as the main fuel.
(I'm no MD, so check the source rather than my interpretation of it).
But your questions are worth seeking good answers for!

Loops, I have family in the 10th Region of Chile. I totally rely on magnesium since finding it a month ago--great for calm and muscle pain. It also slowed down my overly fast pulse from 100 beats a minute to 78 beats. Can you find organic coconut oil near La Serena?

[sunrise02]

Yeah, coconut oil pretty much sucks in coffee.

I don't have a prob w/ coconut oil. I have been know to eat it right from the spoon. But, something happens in coffee and I don't care for that, either. However, I have come to love it (I even crave it) in my Bengal Spice tea!

I have found the coconut oil does wonders for my skin and lips. I have seen a big difference since I started using it--inside and out. When I went for my last Queen Diva spa app't--my hairdresser commented that my hair was in great condition (even with the haircolor process!) Hopefully, it is performing all those miracles we hear about on the inside, too!!

Burn Fat, BURN!

[sunrise02]

Yep--BLONDE!
I got so excited about the C/O I forgot to post today's menu.

B: flaxseed bread (egg, flax, splenda, etc)w/butter
S: deviled eggs (eggs, mayo, hot salt)
L: leftover shrimp alfredo
S: coconut oil in tea
D: salmon w/ wasabi butter

Percentages: 76/22/03
Cals: 1434
4 liters water

supplements: multi, VIT D, Primrose Oil, cinnamon, red yeast rice, L-Carnitine, CQ-10

[BawdyWench]

YOU GUYS!!!!!!

WHERE ARE YOUR VEGGIES?!?!?!?!?!?!?! YOU GOTTA EAT YOUR VEGGIES!?!?!?!?!?!!? THEY'RE SO GOOD FOR YOU!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Oh, wait. That's the old me.

Bring on the fat! :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:

I'm doing well, too. I think the first couple days I was trying to eat every 3 or 4 hours, which is still left over from the old days. Well, that and I seemed to be hungry a lot.

The past two days, though, I've eaten less and even skipped the snacks. The first week of high fat (March 5-12) I averaged 2000 calories and 72% fat, 20% protein, and 5% carbs (the numbers in Fitday NEVER add up right). This week so far it's been the same percentages, but the calories are around 1800.

I was so surprised when ChicknLady (mind if I call you Chick?) posted that she eats a "moderate" amount of calories, which she says is about 2000 for her. GEEZ. Back earlier in the year I was thinking 1400 a day was too much even though I was working out like crazy. But 2000? I would never have dreamed of that, let alone attempted it.

Trouble is, I'm not losing anything. Not pounds, not inches. I do seem to have some sort of metabolic problem (tests haven't all arrived back yet) that is preventing me from losing weight.

But the thing is, even though I've increased my calories by a full third and at the same time lightened up my workouts dramatically, I haven't GAINED anything either.

It seems no matter what I do, I stay the same. How can that be?

Rhetorical question. No one has to answer that.

It will be interesting to see how this little experiment turns out. It seems we have people who come from varied backgrounds.

AND NO RULES!!!!!! Cool.

[jande2211]

[QUOTE=santabarb]
Answer to Jandee 2211:
I think Rosedale is saying that if there is no interference from carbs, the body naturally lives off of fat. He says it has two sources of energy: sugars or fats, but fats are the preferred fuel source.
We got into this fix because the multitudinous sugars in our low fat high carb diet trained our cells to use sugar as the main fuel.
(I'm no MD, so check the source rather than my interpretation of it).
But your questions are worth seeking good answers for!QUOTE]


Thanks, Santabarb!

DOH! SO, he's talking if one's already LCing. I misunderstood to think he meant we're fat burning no matter what, and that simply didn't seem to right true.

OH, I feel so stoopit. Uh. . . .Would I be off the hook if I said I was on meds? Or maybe it was the wine ChicknLady served with those steaks. Yeah, yeah, that's it!

[BawdyWench]

Chick's got wine and steaks?!?!!??! I'll bring the butter!

[cajuda]

I've been on this highfat for just a little over a week and haven't lost anything either. But, haven't been good with my water at all. This a.m., tho', I've gotten down almost 50 oz. (1/2 way) so happy with that. Yesterday, I was off work and just stuffed my face all day with quesadillas. Back at it today. I think I'll try to keep my calories around 1800 since I did lose eating around that level a year ago. I still struggle with eating only when I'm hungry and just enuf to be satisfied. I'll keep trying. How much coconut oil are you guys eating/day? I may be overdoing that a little. Thanks for your support.

[jande2211]

Hang tough, Bawdy. Just remember the fat fast is what Dr.A would recommend for the most stubborn "losers" . . . you're merely doing a tastier version!

[jande2211]

Got chili in dat buttah, Bawdy?

[santabarb]

Hello, Sunrise, Bawdy and Cajuda--

To answer Cajuda's question:
As far as how much coconut oil I've been using, I've been probably averaging 2 Tablespoons a meal, four meals a day.

That said, I'm up at 2:30 am writing you because today it gave me such diarrhea, I don't think there was a drop of water in my body. I work up seriously parched and my fancy scale showed only 37.4 % water weight ( the lowest reading I've had so far), plus increased fat weight (though decreased total body weight).

I think my body is saying to cut back or cool it.

I think I better go more mainstream and do Schwarzbein with out coconut oil for a couple of days. I'm going to buy Ron Rosedale MD's book, too. He's into avocados as a healthy fat source, I know.

Actually, I've not counted one calorie, figuring I was like a filipino version of an eskimo--i.e., eating coconut blubber, so to speak. As you'll probably remember, the eskimos were found to be heart healthy with excellent metabolism when they stuck to seals, narwhals, polar bears--a high protein high animal fat diet.

I'm guessing I'm transitioning too fast and need to pull back.

That said, I loved my lunch yesterday of lamb chops cooked in coconut oil and the fresh spinach absorbed a lovely flavor of lamb juices and coconut oil by sharing the pan.

[BawdyWench]

Got chili in dat buttah, Bawdy?
Huh?

Cajuda, I just noticed you're in the UP. I grew up in Livonia, right outside of Detroit, and we used to love going to the UP. Eastern? Western?

Does everyone think water is absolutely necessary? I know the "current wisdom," but I've also read a number of articles saying there is no basis in fact for the 8 oz 8 times a day. In fact, one of the articles was about a study done at the Dartmouth Medical School. They reviewed decades of literature and couldn't find one instance of this number (8 oz 8 times a day) mentioned. The only thing that found was a very old study that said the human body needs approximately 64 ounces of fluid per day. Apparently that's what everyone mentions. Trouble is, the sentence in the study went on to say something like, "... most of which comes from the food we eat." The study went on to say that broccoli is like 90% water, and listed a ton of other food items that were mostly water.

So I have my doubts. Building on what everyone has been talking about here -- the fact that we did not evolve eating veggies, we also didn't evolve drinking that much water every day. I can't imagine "Paleo Man" running to the river every couple minutes to take a swig of water!

On the other hand, maybe I should be drinking a little more water. Another experiment. I'll go the next three days drinking a bunch of water and see what happens.

[santabarb]

Sunrise,
You mention skin and hair improvements with coconut oil--absolutely! I've come to love the stuff and it cleared up DH's flaky skin between eyebrows after one application and he's been fighting that for years with everything from glycerine to borage to olive oil to Vitamin E. Coconut is super on the skin!

[BawdyWench]

I've heard that about coconut oil also. DH tried some on his psoriasis, but hated it because it never soaked in. Of course, he used way too much, but there's no way of getting him to try it again. Men, you know!

Eight tablespoons of coconut oil a day (2 Tbsp x 4 times) is too much. The most I've ever heard recommended -- and this is by the same sites that sell the stuff -- is 4 Tbsp a day. Also, if you just started eating higher fat and did this all in one fell swoop, it was probably too much for your body to handle.

Why not try cutting it way back, to maybe a couple Tbsp a day for several days. Build up to 4 Tbsp slowly.

Not that this is a RULE, by any means ... just an opinion. :lol:

PS: Since I don't have the coconut oil alone, only in recipes, I'd have to take some time to figure out how much I'm getting. I'll try to do that today and report in.

[santabarb]

Bawdy Wench-
Good question about the H2O. I find 2 liters a day is tolerable, but not so easily downed in the cold weather like you must have in Maine right now. Warm tea seems like more the ticket for winter consumption.
I don't know how much stock to really put into the 64 oz (essentially 2 liters), now that you bring it up. This would make a great Masters in Public Health thesis--Comparative Water Consumption Worldwide.

[BawdyWench]

Maybe I'm a snob, but I hate seeing people schlepping around water bottles, swigging from them all day long. Especially in business meetings. If you want water at a business meeting, for gawd's sake use a glass. Not a Poland Spring water bottle that has been refilled umpteen million times. Do people know how many germs are on those bottles? I saw a feature on the news one night where they gathered samples from a bunch of peoples' water bottles at a local gym and then tested them. Almost all had e. coli contamination!

And then these same people refill those germy bottles at the community water dispenser, sticking it right up onto the nozzle so that all those germs are now transferred tdo the water dispenser.

:Puke:

Sorry. That was my vent for the day. When I decide to drink a lot of water, I fill a 64 oz container at home and drink from that throughout the day. USING A GLASS!

Gee, maybe I am a snob! :lol:

[santabarb]

Thanks, Bawdy Wench--
I'm a classic case of overkill, as usual! I'll take a break from oral consumption of coconut just for today and stick to slathering it on the dry skin.
Man, this water tastes great! :lol: :yum:

[santabarb]

Shlepping R me.
But i shall take your vent to heart.
Quite frankly, I avoid Number 1 plastics and try to drink out of my Number 7 polycarbonate.
That means I don't buy water in those cheesy little Number 1 bottles, because I worry about what carcinogens might be lurking in that cheesy cheap plastic that some high and mighty agency has determined is fit for human consumption.
Question everything, right?
I buy my drinking water from a water store in the hopes that the reverse osmosis and my Number 7 polycarbonates are the best of all water worlds.
I don't think you're a snob. You just have a sense of style and taste. :thup:

[BawdyWench]

I knew I liked you!

[BawdyWench]

I just figured it out, and it looks like I'm getting between 2 and 3 tablespoons of coconut oil daily. Can't say if it's helped anything other than getting my fat percentages higher.

[sunrise02]

G' Morning All,

RE: CO--I get 2-3 TBS daily--more if I go crazy with the choc/coconut bark. Have never experienced any probs.

I don't drink much iced tea, coffee or soft drinks, etc., as a habit so water has always been my preference. Well, or WINE (but you can't go around carrying a bottle of wine, either!)

I am annoyed by those incessant bottle carriers, too. I am more of a "closet drinker," I suppose. To each his own.

I do think water is important, though. When one considers how much of our body is water, esp our brains, where else is it going to get it, unless we consume it? And, this group is NOT getting it from VEGGIES, right?!

I also think it is necessary for joint health, combined with fat and protein, to make everything slide around properly and keep tissue healthy.

However, it may be over-emphasized. Seems like everything tends to go to the extreme at some point.

Excuse me--I need to go get my wine glass full of water....

[BawdyWench]

Excuse me--I need to go get my wine glass full of water....
... and I'll get my water glass full of wine!

[sunrise02]

... and I'll get my water glass full of wine!

My kinda' woman! But, I am working (I work at home) so I was going to wait 'til 4:00 at least.

Oh darn--I just remembered I am not doing that right now:nono: So, back to the water thing...How boring!:yawn:

[BawdyWench]

Well, I'm working from home today, too. Hence all the posts! It will have to wait until "the sun is over the yard arm," as my DH puts it. (I asked him about it once, and he said it's an old navy expression -- you see, the sun is ALWAYS over the yard arm!)

[ChicknLady]

... and I'll get my water glass full of wine!
Woo Hoo Bawdy! :clap: I'll drink wine over water any day! Oh, and "chick" is fine!

I am just not a big water drinker, in the winter time anyway. When I'm thirsty, yes, like in the summer when you're hot, I drink lots of it. But in the winter, water tastes Bleh. I drink tea, diet pop (I know I know), beer, and wine. My son's pre-school teacher handed out a warning about PLASTIC the other day, about the chemicals that can leach from the plastic into your food. One thing mentioned specifically was filling plastic bottles with water and freezing them. Apparently this will cause the toxins to leach out of the plastic. Microwaving in plastic containers, and using plastic wrap over food to prevent splatter- also big no-no. Glass, glass, glass, they say.

Is it Mercola that suggests using the Nalgene sports bottles for water? I think it's that "polycarbonate" Santabarb mentioned.

Santabarb- did you just recently start the coconut oil? CO has immense anti-microbial properties (so I've read), and if taken too much when first using it, can cause the symptoms you describe. This is due to the "detox" effect in your body (this is a good thing!). But, they recommend that someone just beginning CO should start slow, one or two tsp per day, and work up to the 4 Tbsp to avoid too much discomfort. It will pass it time. Hang in there!

[BawdyWench]

Funny how Dr. Mercola is coming around to a sane way of thinking. In not too distant times he was considered a quack. Boy, what a bias I have -- if someone believes in something and advocates something I don't, he's a quack; if someone believes as I do, they're brilliant!

Oh, and here's a thought ...

If vegetables are so good for us, why is it in our culture to say that a brain-dead person is a "vegetable," and that when we lay around on a couch getting lazy and fat, we're "vegging out"?

Food for thought, huh?

[jande2211]

Huh?


Refer to your post #69. :thup:

[BawdyWench]

I messed up on the Bawdy's Coconut Bars recipe. I typed 14 OUNCES of coconut oil when it should have been 14 TABLESPOONS!!!!!!!

I was following the recipe as I had typed it, and it was really runny. Then I looked closely at the Fitday ingredients as I had put them in, and it's TABLESPOONS!!! So, because I put in four times the amount of coconut oil, I have to put in four times the amount of everything else!

Anyone want to come over for a Coconut Bar? I seem to have enough to feed this whole forum!

:lol:

Here's the real recipe:

Bawdy's Coconut Bars

14 Tbsp coconut oil
1/4 cup coconut milk
1/2 cup SF peanut butter (I use super chunky)
2 Tbsp coconut extract (vanilla is fine)
1/2 tsp salt

Melt this together in a heavy saucepan over low. You don't need to cook it, just melt it all together.

Add 1/2 cup Splenda and stir until blended.

Add 2 cups unsweetened coconut.

Stir in 4 scoops of whey protein.

Pour into a 9x9 pan and press down with the back of a spoon. Chill until firm. Cut into bars. Keep refrigerated.

[Kerbear]

I haven't totally given up the veggies, but I am limiting them more than in the past, and I am trying to up my fat level. It seems to work the best for me. Anyway, I have a question since you have been discussing it.

Wine! I love wine, and I'm not sure I could survive my weekends without having some. Do you guys have it? Does it hinder the progress when you're eating this way.

[BawdyWench]

DOH!!!!!! I'm a bigger idiot than I thought! 14 oz isn't 4 times 14 Tablespoons, it's only about double!!!!

But now I've added 4 times most everything else, so now I have to add more coconut oil!!!!!

That's it. I'm sitting down with a nice Irish whiskey and figure it out ounce for ounce.

--------

Hi, Kerbear! So nice to see you. Just ignore me tonight. It's been a bad day.

Yes, a number of us do drink alcohol, but I think the jury is still out on whether it has a negative effect or not. Right now, I couldn't care less. I'm STILL gonna have my drink.

(Can you guys tell I wasn't a math major?)

[ChicknLady]

And I'll still have my drink too! I was curious, and looked it, my merlot averages 95 calories per 4 ounces, and one carb. I don't look at the wine from a carb-point of view, just add up its calories. Here's a thread to some common wine's calories: http://annecollins.com/calories/calories-wine.htm
I drink it several nights a week, and maybe a LC beer once in a while.

I did break down and have brussels sprouts last night. DH thinks I'm nuts to do all this LC stuff, and I just can't tell him about my latest "fad" of neglecting my veggies. He's not a big veggie eater, so if I just have them once in agreat while, and don't say anything, he'll never suspect! :lol:

Wine and chicken wings tonite. ALLLLL-RIGHT!

[sunrise02]

What I do notice is that all of you "wonderful winos" (I mean that lovingly and tenderly) are MUCH closer to goal than I will be for a long time. That said--have a glass for me, please!

Today’s menu:

B: 2 poached eggs and coffee w/heavy cream
S: 10 med green olives (I caved to the veggie thing)
L: frozen choc/coconut bark spread with SF Peanut Butter (I don’t how this happened—I do not even really like PB but this was soooo good!)
S: coconut oil in ginger tea w/Splenda
D: beef pot roast

Percentages: 83/15/02
Cals: 1465
4 liters water

supplements: multi, VIT D, Primrose Oil, cinnamon, red yeast rice, L-Carnitine, CQ-10

Considering my questionable performance today—I am so glad we do not have any RULES here!! Thanks, Gals!

[BawdyWench]

He's not a big veggie eater, so if I just have them once in agreat while, and don't say anything, he'll never suspect! :lol:
Mine, too! I did tell him, though, and he didn't say a word. I think he agrees with me.

Now if they would only come up with a diet that calls for high fat, high protein, and Girl Scout cookies, he'd be in heaven!!!

-----------------------

PS: According to the Eades (Protein Power), wine actually inhibits insulin spikes and they cite a study in which wine drinkers lost more weight than non-drinkers on the same eating plan. Cool. Hard liquor (like the Irish whiskey I so love) has NO carbs but tends to raise insulin levels. I've read differing stats, but dry wine comes in around 4 carbs for a 3-ounce glass (which isn't much).

Cheers!

[BawdyWench]

Geezum crow, I'm chatty today!

Does anyone else feel somewhat guilty having all this fat that doesn't really have any nutrients in it?

Maybe I need to look at it in the sense that the protein is giving me my nutrients, and the fat is helping my body burn the existing fat.

I find myself looking at my food intake and catch myself thinking, "Good thing I'm taking heavy-duty supplements."

Anyone else feel this way?

PS: I've always had some alcohol, right from the beginning. Yes, I think it slows you down, but this is real life and I enjoy it. So be it. It is what it is.

[sunrise02]

Ms Bawdy, you plead a good case! I may just have to reconsider my perspective. After all, there are many health benefits from good dry red wine, right?

I am just in such a panic to lose every pound I can before the Big Event, I do not want to sabotage my efforts in any way.

I like your "study" results. I may have to make a trip to the wine shoppe tomorrow! C'est la vie!

Cheers!

[BawdyWench]

Did I miss something? What's the big event?

[cajuda]

Cajuda, I just noticed you're in the UP. I grew up in Livonia, right outside of Detroit, and we used to love going to the UP. Eastern? Western?

I live in Iron Mountain which I think you'd consider in the Western U.P. It's more South-Centrally located on the Mi-WI border. Yes, isn't the U.P. a beautiful place to go do lots of things? Can't be any more beautiful than Maine. Went there on my honeymoon and it was gorgeous.

It's a small world. I was born in Livonia. Didn't live there long.

My menu was much better today than all the quesadillas I ate yesterday. Had eggs, side pork and chicken for both lunch and supper. Cut way back on the coconut oil. I've had about 3-4 Tbls. the entire day. Calories anywhere from 1300-1700 depending on how many oz. my chicken was and it's so easy to underestimate how many ounces. (My scale broke this a.m.)

Have a great tmr. everyone. Carol

[sunrise02]

Did I miss something? What's the big event?

LOL--Last daughter's wedding! And, bless her heart, wants nothing more (besides the perfect wedding) than for dear ol' Mom to be the Mother-of-the -Bride AND her Matron (isn't that an ugly word--MATRON?) of Honor.

I tried low fat, I tried working out, I tried SB--until Atkins--nothing had worked so I am encouraged but still a little panicky.

I do so appreciate all of you and this forum. It has really helped! Hugs to you all! LOL--Wine or no wine!

[BawdyWench]

So when's the big day?

[sunrise02]

So when's the big day?

April 8--24 more-- very short --days! As a 'newbie' (like me) would say :
"Do you think I can lose 50 pounds by then??"

Yeaaahhh right--At this point I would be so happy with ten more and that is probably pushing it. But, I am trying my "bestest!"

However, I am not doing this just to "diet."
This is it. Forevermore. Written in stone. Final Answer.
(keep reminding me, ok?)

[santabarb]

Regarding all of your many posts on wine (#76-89 and some subsequent), I hold you totally responsible, Bawdy Wench. The morale of this group is quickly disintergrating....

Next thing we'll be oohing and ahing over is coconut oil in our merlot. Shame! Shame! Shame!

After all, the coconut oil has the coveted fats and the merlot the coveted antioxidants and polyphenols. What more does a girl need?

I seriously laugh out loud at some of your posts and my family is starting to look over my shoulder, which is not a good thing, since I view these boards as therapy for this very complicated mindset called dieting. It's not like I can talk about all this nonsense with all my friends, relatives, or people in the supermarket checkout line, know what I mean?

[santabarb]

And now for something completely different.

This is in response to an earlier post by Bawdy about the Dartmouth study on water consumption.

I received my March 2006 issue of ConsumerReportsonHealth. On their article debunking "Health Truths" , topic 5, they write regarding the "truth" that you need to drink six to eight glasses of water a day to stay properly hydrated:

"In February2004, after reviewing more than 400 studies, the National Academy of Sciences' Institute of Medicine rejected this conventional wisdom. It concluded that most men needed about 15 1/2 cups of fluid a day, and women about 11 1/2. But that includes fluids from all beverages, including alcoholic [ahem] and caffeinated kinds, and the water in food. The vast majority of Americans already get that much liquid in their everyday diets.
"Certain people are actually at risk of getting too much water, which can cause sodium concentrations to drop dangerously low,....Scanty, strong smelling [let's get to the nitty gritty here], dark-yellow urine indicates that you need to drink more."

So, there you have it. Fat does NOT necessarily destroy your arteries (last month's national announcement), and you CAN drink too much water. :help:

[santabarb]

"I find myself looking at my food intake and catch myself thinking,'Good thing I'm taking heavy duty supplements.' Any one else feel this way?" (B.W)

Yeah. I'm taking the ones the Women to Women outfit in Maine told me take, with progesterone cream (and, now, wine). I try to eat greens, though, whether baby greens or spinach, to help prevent macular degeneration and God knows what all.

[BawdyWench]

Barb, I do the Women to Women thing, too. I've had one appointment and am awaiting test results before going in again. Man, those are horse pills! I don't do the cream, though. Do you take all of them every day? I haven't been able to do so consistently. It's a lot to take 3 times a day!

Gotta hop in the shower and go to work. Probably won't be able to post until tonight.

See ya!

Get that fat in!!!

Don't panic about not getting enough water!!!

[saffron28]

Hi everyone, a good friend of mine {Cajuda} recommended this thread and I am glad she did. I have found it to be very informative and interesting reading. It also makes me happy to know that I can skip the veggies, which I am not too crazy about in the first place. I would like to join the "club", I like the way you ladies think!! Everyone have a great day.

[ChicknLady]

Hi Saffron! Welcome aboard! This really is a fun thread.

Coconut oil in merlot? Geez, hadn't thought of that! :idea: Now, Bawdy, fat is not just fat. Problem is, I can never remember where I read all these little factoids, but I know there are tons of cool things in fat. I will set myself on the research wagon as soon as I get the chance, and (hopefully) come back with some cool news! Hmmmm. Merlot in green tea? Might be worth a try too!

[sunrise02]

And now for something completely different.

and you CAN drink too much water. :help:

SantaBarb--You are so right.

I have this cute little (5'-less than 100 lbs) friend of mine who has been low carb for many years. She's 62, very health conscious--foods, supplements, everything. She began to have several fainting spells, heart palpitations, ringing in her ears, delirium, etc., even to the point of being hospitalized three times.

Finally, they figured out her electrolytes were totally out of whack-----due to the 1.5 to 2 gals of water she was drinking daily. (Seems like a lot for anyone--esp her tiny self)

After about 6 months, she got things straightened out but it was a good lesson for me.

Have a good day all!

[BawdyWench]

You guys are not going to believe this. I was surfing the web, trying to find information on what nutrients might be in fat. I came across this "health" site and here's what it says we need to eat:

Energy Fuel

Like fuel for a car the energy we need has to be blended. The blend that we require is as follows:


57% Carbohydrates (sugar, sweets, bread, cakes)
30% Fats (dairy products, oil)
13% Protein (eggs, milk, meat, poultry, fish)
It's official! More than half our diet needs to be sugar, sweets, bread, and cakes!!!

Hey, it was on the web, it MUST be true!

:lol:

[ChicknLady]

It's official! More than half our diet needs to be sugar, sweets, bread, and cakes!!!
Thank goodness! Now I can go back to Ho-Ho's and Cheez Balls! :clap: :clap: :clap:

[cajuda]

Thank goodness! Now I can go back to Ho-Ho's and Cheez Balls! :clap: :clap: :clap:

Alright!!! :thup:

No, kidding aside. Four days ago, my DH bought 2 bags of fritos cuz they were on sale. I put my bag on the kitchen table and was very, very tempted to open and eat just 1. (Yeah, right, just 1 :rolleyes: ). But, I didn't. (Patting myself on the back). The bag's gone now. He must have eaten them for me. Whew! Talk about a very close call for me. (I've been cheatfree since the end of Jan. so that's how many days? 45 or so? I've never gone more than maybe 3 weeks w/o a cheat before in the last year and a half so that's a major milestone for me).

Can't tell you what my fat % was today. My scale's broken so can't imput into fitday but I did have side bacon and eggs for breakfast, chix/mayo for lunch and the same for dinner. Only 3 T. coconut oil in my coffee today. I think that's plenty.

Sooo good to hear about the water. I think I'll cut that down a little. Was drinking up to a gal. (when I thought of it. :lol: ). I like my coffee instead. Switched to decaf and that hasn't affected me at all. Still have my energy.

Well, haven't seen too many posts lately of menus--just talk of wine and Ho Ho's. :D What's everyone eating?

Have a good evening and great day tmr, fat lovers. Carol

[BawdyWench]

Oh yea. This is a low (no) carb site. We're supposed to be talking about our menus.

OK. Mine have been good lately. Today I ended up having a couple coconut bars for breakfast (no clue what the nutrition counts are -- see earlier post). Then I had about 5 ounces a chicken breast with 2 Tbsp of butter for lunch. Then we had a party for a guy at work who's getting married, and I had a small (very small) piece of cake and some ice cream. Don't even know why I had it. Didn't want it, knew it was going to make me sick, and it did. Tonight is kind of a wash, too.

But other than today, I've been doing really well. Moderate amounts of protein, lots of fat, and very little carbs (only what's in the unsweetened coconut). My counts have been around 1800 calories with 72% far, 23% protein, and 5% carbs.

[sunrise02]

Wine and Ho-ho's. That's us!

I'll trade ho-ho's for wine....

Yeah--that's what I thought--no takers in THIS thread!

[BawdyWench]

Actually, I've splurged tonight and am having champagne. If I don't spoil me, who will?

[sunrise02]

March 15—day 9 m&e

Today’s menu

B: leftover pot roast
S: coconut oil in raspberry tea w/Splenda
L: coconut bark/PB
S: pork rinds
D: ground chuck w/bleu cheese crumbles

Percentages: 75/24/01
Cals: 1727
2 liters water

supplements: multi, VIT D, Primrose Oil, cinnamon, red yeast rice, L-Carnitine, CQ-10,

Sanity supplements: Ho-ho’ s, wine

[Symphonyod]

I am curious about this.. do calories count doing this?

[santabarb]

Hello, Saffron--
Great color, saffron, and the plant threads highly coveted for haute cuisine. You are almost half way--yay! This is definitely a goofy bunch--makes dieting fun! ;) Say hi to Cajuda.

Hi there, Sunrise--
Your daughter's wedding has got to be one of the most awesome moments of your life. Don't let our tomfoolery sidetrack you! Do what you know works. April is so close. And most moms who give away their daughters don't look like Barbie dolls--remember that.
I'm glad your petite friend survived overhydration--whew!
Yeah,"written in stone"--paying attention to this is for life, though one would wish it were not so.... :D

ChicknLady--
I look forward to the results of your investigation. There's no rush. Whenever you can....

Finally, Bawdy Wench that thou art--You better be right on your esoteric info on wine bibbing, because anything that makes this process fun is soooo welcome, and we're all ears. :D

[santabarb]

Hello,all--

B- Omega rich eggs, with cheese and spinach. 1 slice sprouted
grain toast with Irish butter. Organic decaf with heavy cream and a little splenda

L- Romaine lettuce leaves wrapped around Trader Joe's guacamole

S- Dutch goat cheese and glass merlot

D- Grass fed beef burger and baby green beans seasoned with garlic oil

S- handful of almonds, 2 squares very bitter dark chocolate, 3 oz sugar-free icemilk (gise) from a diabetic sweet shoppe

Calories, Percentages : no clue

I end the day grateful for these privileges. Also grateful to be losing 1/10th of a pound a day as I whoop it up.

Sweet tooth is shrinking.

Good job on no cheats, Cajuda.

[cajuda]

Good job on no cheats, Cajuda.

Oh thanks!!! Down to 186. Whoo hoo! I've lost 2-3 since I started cutting down my consumption of coconut oil to 3 Tbls/day.

I've got a workshop to go to today so I'll be bringing chix., cut up into fingers and mayo and eat in the car for lunch. Well, now just decided I'll make a couple hard-boiled eggs to take too. (They'll probably be gone by the time I get to the place. :lol: )

Have a great highfat day everyone. Carol

[jande2211]

Morning, no rulers. Checking in.

Chick, you break past 140 yet? See ya in the other thread.

[ChicknLady]

Hi Girls! Still haven't had a chance to do any research. Hang in there! Took an old lady friend to an eye appt. yesterday, and we stopped at Damon's for lunch. Try the "Bunless Benedict" (I think that was the name!). Two beef patties (like 1/3 lb.each) on two slices of tomato, then Gorgonzola cheese sprinkled all over, then two strips of bacon on each burger, then the whole thing smothered in Hollandaise sauce. Sounds weird, but WOW was it good! Gonna have to try it at home (but you just know it won't turn out the same).

Didn't need much supper, so just had a handfull of cashews and a chunk of cheese, went to bowling, and had two glasses of wine. Ah, you gotta love it.

Don't think I'm under 140 yet, Jande, but won't weigh in until I'm sure the TOM weight is off. I'm just not feeling too skinny yet!

[sunrise02]

BREAK OUT THE IRISH WHISKEY!!

Woo-Hoo! :hyper: I think I've had a WHOOSH!!

Got dresssed this morning and my "stretchy but tight anyways" shirt was actually loose!! I am definitely thinner thru the middle.

Day 10 of this fabulous WOE and I am happy, happy, happy!! :wiggle:

HAPPY ST. PADDY'S DAY TO ALL!

[ChicknLady]

Sunrise- Way to go!!!!!! :thup: :agree: You gotta love it!

OK, as promised, here's a little light reading on our fats:
(p.s. there might be a pop quiz later, so study well!)

The Benefits Of Saturated Fats <TOP>

The much-maligned saturated fats-which Americans are trying to avoid-are not the cause of our modern diseases. In fact, they play many important roles in the body chemistry:

* Saturated fatty acids constitute at least 50% of the cell membranes. They are what gives our cells necessary stiffness and integrity.
* They play a vital role in the health of our bones. For calcium to be effectively incorporated into the skeletal structure, at least 50% of the dietary fats should be saturated.38
* They lower Lp(a), a substance in the blood that indicates proneness to heart disease.39 They protect the liver from alcohol and other toxins, such as Tylenol.40
* They enhance the immune system.41
* They are needed for the proper utilization of essential fatty acids. Elongated omega-3 fatty acids are better retained in the tissues when the diet is rich in saturated fats. 42
* Saturated 18-carbon stearic acid and 16-carbon palmitic acid are the preferred foods for the heart, which is why the fat around the heart muscle is highly saturated.43 The heart draws on this reserve of fat in times of stress.
* Short- and medium-chain saturated fatty acids have important antimicrobial properties. They protect us against harmful microorganisms in the digestive tract.

The scientific evidence, honestly evaluated, does not support the assertion that "artery-clogging" saturated fats cause heart disease.44 Actually, evaluation of the fat in artery clogs reveals that only about 26% is saturated. The rest is unsaturated, of which more than half is polyunsaturated.45

What About Cholesterol? <TOP>

And what about cholesterol? Here, too, the public has been misinformed. Our blood vessels can become damaged in a number of ways-through irritations caused by free radicals or viruses, or because they are structurally weak-and when this happens, the body's natural healing substance steps in to repair the damage.

That substance is cholesterol. Cholesterol is a high-molecular-weight alcohol that is manufactured in the liver and in most human cells. Like saturated fats, the cholesterol we make and consume plays many vital roles:

* Along with saturated fats, cholesterol in the cell membrane gives our cells necessary stiffness and stability. When the diet contains an excess of polyunsaturated fatty acids, these replace saturated fatty acids in the cell membrane, so that the cell walls actually become flabby.
* When this happens, cholesterol from the blood is "driven" into the tissues to give them structural integrity. This is why serum cholesterol levels may go down temporarily when we replace saturated fats with polyunsaturated oils in the diet.46
* Cholesterol acts as a precursor to vital corticosteroids, hormones that help us deal with stress and protect the body against heart disease and cancer; and to the sex hormones like androgen, testosterone, estrogen and progesterone.
* Cholesterol is a precursor to vitamin D, a very important fat-soluble vitamin needed for healthy bones and nervous system, proper growth, mineral metabolism, muscle tone, insulin production, reproduction and immune system function.
* The bile salts are made from cholesterol. Bile is vital for digestion and assimilation of fats in the diet.
* Recent research shows that cholesterol acts as an antioxidant.47 This is the likely explanation for the fact that cholesterol levels go up with age. As an antioxidant, cholesterol protects us against free radical damage that leads to heart disease and cancer.
* Cholesterol is needed for proper function of serotonin receptors in the brain.48 Serotonin is the body's natural "feel-good" chemical. Low cholesterol levels have been linked to aggressive and violent behavior, depression and suicidal tendencies.
* Mother's milk is especially rich in cholesterol and contains a special enzyme that helps the baby utilize this nutrient. Babies and children need cholesterol-rich foods throughout their growing years to ensure proper development of the brain and nervous system.
* Dietary cholesterol plays an important role in maintaining the health of the intestinal wall.49 This is why low-cholesterol vegetarian diets can lead to leaky gut syndrome and other intestinal disorders.

[BawdyWench]

Great news, Sunny!!!!!!! Now could you send that Irish whoosh fairy up to Maine for an extended visit?

[sunrise02]

Thanks ChicknLady and the rest of you chickies, too!

BW--Thanks muches!! It is great news and I really needed it today! However, selfish as it is, YOU get to have the Irish Whisky so I am going to keep the IWF right here in the Deep Sunny South, at least for one day! I am sure she'll sneak out during the night to visit one of you!

This was my first real WHOOSH so I am pretty excited. It was a nice surprise!

Oh, Happy Day!

[sunrise02]

* Dietary cholesterol plays an important role in maintaining the health of the intestinal wall.49 This is why low-cholesterol vegetarian diets can lead to leaky gut syndrome and other intestinal disorders.

Eeeewww--I did not know that. Sounds icky. Thanks for all the good info, Chickie. I am printing it out to keep.

[ChicknLady]

Hi again girls! Just wanted to add a few things.

One correction- merlot is one gram of carbs per ONE ounce, not four ounces. Oh well. Doesn't matter.

BUTTER. The little bit of delving I did showed one thing in common- butter is awesome for you. It's got lots of Vits. A,D,E, and K, the fat-soluble guys, and a whole slew of other good things. There was something about butter made in the spring from cows eating the new green grass as being about the most healthy thing in the world. Geez, my 5-year-old LOVES to eat just plain butter, and I used to feel guilty about letting him do it. NOW, I'll fight him for it!

[Bobi-p]

BawdyWench and sunrise...
Hope you enjoyed your Irish Whiskey!
I supplemented my two servings of corned beef with 3 glasses of extra dry champagne, tonite. I feel great and relaxed after a week from H***!

[santabarb]

Wow, ChicknLady that is one heck of alot of information on fats and cholesterol. Please don't give me a test on it. I'll just keep eating my Irish butter. Thank you very much for all your work!!!!

Top o' the evening to ye.

I am losing as such a snail's pace--1 pound in 10 days. Is this normal, or do I need to check my adrenals or something? Thyroid keeps showing up fine in blood tests.

My pedometer shows I walked 15,000 steps today (4.8 miles) and burned 1,000 calories doing it.

Now if fat burns while I'm sleeping.... :o

[BawdyWench]

Ooooo, so many things to comment on.

First, how did I miss the article on saturated fat and cholesterol? But I did! Just read it now. Very interesting, and I'm a lover of butter, too.

Barb, Irish butter? There's another one of me out there? We went to Ireland the first time around 6 years ago and I fell in love with Irish butter. Why the heck is it so good? I always thought it was made with a higher level of butter fat, but the calories are the same? Anyway, I just found a local (ok, it's about 50 miles away) store that carries honest-to-goodness Irish butter. The cashier must have thought I was nuts. I bought 10 packages!

Bobi, I ended up (like you) having 2 glasses of extra brut champagne last night rather than Irish whiskey. I really like it. Supposedly the extra brut has 85 calories per 4 ounces and only 2 carbs, which is about half what regular dry table wine has. Not entirely sure of those numbers, but that's what I found.

Barb, some people just lose slowly. Heck, I'm not losing at all. I do have damaged adrenals, I just found out. Still waiting for my appointment. Looks like I'll have to be on some meds for a while, but just with the couple of changes I've made in the past 6 - 8 weeks (stopping BC pills and eating around 1800 calories instead of 1400) have made me feel better. Hopefully the meds will help stabilize my hormones and metabolism and allow me to lose some weight.

The Nurse Practioner kept focusing on my wanting to lose weight because I thought I was too fat. Yes, I'm sure vanity has something to do with it, but mostly I just don't feel good at this weight. I don't like the sluggishness I feel. I feel more "on my game" when I'm down around 150. And 150 isn't low at all for someone who is 5'6".

Here's a question. There's a poster on this board (won't say who), but she is 5'5" and weighs 115. Another poster (male, won't say who) said that this was a very respectable weight for a woman of that height.

That's like me losing 50 pounds! She's in her 20s, I know from her profile. Still, that seems awfully thin to me. What do you think?

-------

Today should be a good high-fat day for me. I've already had some coffee (black -- I drink it with heavy cream and Splenda at times, too, but not first thing in the morning) and a small piece of coconut bar. (Anyone want some? I seem to still have a ton of it left!) After showering, I plan to make DH and I a nice breakfast -- scrambled eggs, sausage, and toast (for him). Not sure about lunch, but dinner will be a nice chuck roast. I always make gravy, but I use a thickener called Wondra. It's flour, but it seems to be lower in carbs than regular flour, it never gets lumpy, and I don't use near as much of it as I used to use of flour.

What about side dishes? I'm cutting way back on veggies, but I do like to have something else to eat other than meat. And anyway, if we're "supposed" to eat about twice as much fat as protein, how do you get it all in if all you have is the protein for a meal?

Oops! Gotta run. Hop in the shower and then run to a physical therapy appointment (workstation woes). Then to the grocery store to pick up a few things.

DH just got home last night and has to leave again tomorrow morning for a business trip. He always tries to get a lot of work in during the first half of the year so he can relax a bit in the summer.

I'll pop in again later to see how everyone is doing. I'll weigh myself tomorrow. As of the other day, I hadn't lost anything -- but then I haven't gained either.

See ya! :wave:

[jande2211]

Bawdy, as for the 5'5" 115# 20-yr old, it might depend on her bone structure.

[ChicknLady]

I think it's possible to be healthy at 115 pounds, for 5'5", but she'd sure have to be very fine-boned, and not lift weights. I'm only an inch taller, and 135 is where I feel I am at my best, but then I'm bigger-boned and pack alot of muscle. And as far as the MALE point of view, alot of 'em like them too skinny like the models, unfortunately. You should see the guys I work with when one of these skinnies walk by. It's disgusting.

One thing I noticed that theBear stresses as far as eating, is to eat FRESH meat, not frozen or canned or processed. I'm guilty there as anyone! I'm going to try to add as much fresh meats as I can, at least once a day, time and pocketbook permitting. I think eggs count as 'fresh', so I'll have three overeasy for BF as soon as I feel like eating. I'm NOT a first-thing in the morning eater.

Where do you get Irish butter? Is it in health-food type stores, or just specialty markets? I'm like Bawdy, and live 1-1/2 hours from anything 'specialty'. Ugh.

[BawdyWench]

I found my Irish butter at a Hannaford's, albeit one of the larger ones. I don't think they're found outside of New England.

Do you guys really believe the "bigger boned" idea? I really don't, except for the extremes. I know several women who are tiny. But they're short also. I think there's a tiny person deep down in all of us. But then I'm probably wrong on that. After all, wasn't I the one who made a vat of coconut bars this week?

:lol:

Oh, and I'll fess up. The male in question is The Bear. And did you look at his stats? He's 140 pounds. I have an uncle who is 5'5" and 146 pounds, and he's a little guy. He works out religiously, though. If you are behind him watching him walk, you'd swear he was 40 years old. He's in top health, and drinks wine every day and got sucked into the low fat high carb thing. Still, he's the picture of health.

If The Bear is 140 pounds and works out like he says he does, what do you think he looks like? Skinny? Bony? Buff? He says no pictures exist of him. Still, I wonder.

Did I have a point here? Guess not. :p

Better get going.

Breakfast today was 3 eggs fried over-easy in 2 Tbsp of butter and 3 fresh sausages. Yum.

Oh, another thing about The Bear. All fresh meat? Who the heck has time to shop every single day? Maybe if you live in Oz and don't work, it's doable. I get up at 4:00, and often don't get home until 7:00 or later. When the heck am I going to find time to shop and cook every day? If it weren't for leftovers, I'd starve.

Wait. Maybe that's the answer. Only eat if I buy it fresh. That means I'll be eating only a couple times a week.

This could work ... :lol:

[ChicknLady]

There's a Hannaford's near my uncle's house in Utica, NY, but that's the closest one I can think of. Maybe Wegman's or Tops have it, I'll have to check next time I'm near one. Haven't checked, but am pretty sure our WalMart super-center doesn't have it! :lol:

I figured Bear was your man. Yeah, I'm not too sure about the "big-boned" theory either, and cannot imagine myself at 115 pounds. But, to give the girl in question credit, I'd have to see her in person before passing judgement. Still sounds aweful skinny.

I guess 'fresh meat' might count as long as it hasn't been frozen, so if it sits in the fridge for a few days, it's OK. Bear apparently keeps his meat a LONG time in some kind of special packaging that keeps it fresh in the fridge, and only slices off enough for his meal. I am assuming he buys whole loins or haunches or whatever. 'Course, he's hard-core. We're all just relative newbies at this, and I for one don't have the gumption/resources/support to go all the way like him. I'm afraid I like my salt, and wine, and occasional chocolate fix.

[BawdyWench]

Moderation is all things ... including moderation!

Cheers!

PS: Might I add that he seems a rather bitter man. Doesn't seem too happy, if you ask me. Lots of anger there.

[sunrise02]

PS: Might I add that he seems a rather bitter man. Doesn't seem too happy, if you ask me. Lots of anger there.
I totally agree. Seems a little cynical and 'sour' about life. I wish him well.

Day 11
Today’s menu:
B: Mock Danish
S: coconut bark
L: avocado (I ate the WHOLE thing! It was so good! It was a FATTY vegetable so I figured it would be ok :lol: )
S: spearmint tea w/coconut oil
D: low carb meatloaf

Percentages: 77/20/02
Cals: 1682
4 liters water

supplements: multi, VIT D, Primrose Oil, cinnamon, red yeast rice, L-Carnitine, CQ-10,

Hope you all had a HAPPY day!
S

[Bobi-p]

Sorry BawdyWench and sunrise, here and only here, I disagree with you on theBear. I think that he just gets tired of answering the same questions over and over again. I do like his threads and his dissertations on a subject that I think is near and dear to his heart. I think that some of the Posters in his thread are a bit aggressive and confrontational. But then again, remember, I have just had a very long and confrontational week myself, so don't get mad at me! please!?!?!:)

[sunrise02]

Sorry BawdyWench and sunrise, here and only here, I disagree with you on theBear. I think that he just gets tired of answering the same questions over and over again. I do like his threads and his dissertations on a subject that I think is near and dear to his heart. I think that some of the Posters in his thread are a bit aggressive and confrontational. But then again, remember, I have just had a very long and confrontational week myself, so don't get mad at me! please!?!?!:)

You could be right. I don't spend a lot of time on that thread--it was just the feeling I was left with.

I HATE confrontation! Energizes some people but wears me out!

Hope you get some rest and peace.
S

[SherryJ]

Hey, Gang! :)

I've been following this thread, and find it intriguing, to say the least... AND, I appreciate your lively banter! :lol:

Question: You speak of 2-4 T of coconut oil a day... I've only found it in a solid form. Do you melt it first? Do you take a T by itself? And... anything else I don't know enough to ask!!!

Bawdy, your coconut bars sound WONDERFUL... did you ever distinguish the amount of coconut/oil???

Thanks,
Sherry

[cajuda]

It's solid form until it gets above like 76 degrees. I just add a Tbls. of the solid to my coffee which melts it by itself. Others put it in their tea. Maybe others have suggestions. You can cook in it too. HTH.

[BawdyWench]

Hi, Sherry! I posted the REVISED (correct) recipe a couple pages ago. It's 14 Tbsp, not 14 ounces. The last batch of coconut bars are quite good, but not the same as the first batch I made. I still think there's more coconut oil than called for, but that's a good thing!

Just remember, there are NO RULES here. Well, maybe just to keep the fat up around 70-80% of your daily calories. Some (I think) are doing no carbs or very few, and some are doing a few more. The jury is still out with me and veggies. I haven't had any in about a week, and feel fine. I do like having another taste in a meal, in addition to the meat. And it's hard to get the fat levels up if you don't have anything to smear the butter on.

I had been doing without cream cheese for the past week (because I tend to rely on it too much), but I'm thinking about adding some back in.

Be back later. Have to help DH pack.

[BawdyWench]

Here's the brand I buy: http://www.kerrygold.com/usa/irishbut.html

There's a "where to buy" link at the bottom. This stuff is pure heaven. The following is from the site:



Kerrygold Butter Nutrition
Did you know that?

Kerrygold Butter is 100% natural - The only added ingredient being salt to accentuate its flavour!

Kerrygold Butter is free form all artificial colorings, flavoring & preservatives!

Kerrygold Butter contains only 80% fat in contrast to oils, which contain 100% fat!

Fat is an essential part of any balanced diet, providing essential fatty acids, fat-soluble vitamins and a concentrated source of energy!

Kerrygold Butter like all butter is easily digestible due to the presence of short and medium chain fatty acids!

Kerrygold Butter is manufactured from milk from Grass Fed cows in contrast to Grainfed cows. The benefits:

A Richer Golden Cream Colored Butter due to the presence of natural B-carotene, a powerful antioxidant.
A Butter higher in Conjugated Linoleic Acid.


Kerrygold Butter contains:

Butyric acid, currently under investigation for its potential role in the prevention of intestinal cancer.
Vitamin A, necessary for good eyesight and healthy skin. Vitamin A also helps protect the body from infection.
Vitamin D, necessary to promote calcium absorption in the body, aiding in the development of healthy bones and teeth.
Vitamin E, an antioxidant that protects the cells in the body from damage caused by everyday subjection to smoke and pollution. These vitamins are fat soluble, thus butter is the ideal medium to ensure their maximum bioavailability!
Trace minerals, including selenium and iodine. Selenium acts as a powerful antioxidant in the body and iodine is required for the proper regulation of the thyroid gland.


Kerrrygold Butter is not only nutritious; it delicious!

[jande2211]

So, since participating in this thread, and keeping the fats high, how's everyone doing? Notice any wt loss? Inches lost? What's your general well being? Just wanting to know how well it's making you feel and perform thru out day, sleeping and such.

Haven't got 'round to making that recipe, Bawdy. Not much of an appetite. No sweet tooth?!!? Weird.

Chick, thanks for all that info. You prolly need a massage after all that typing!

[BawdyWench]

No changes in weight or inches for me, but then I've got some adrenal things going on right now so you shouldn't compare to me.

One thing I'm having a issue with right now is the coconut bars. Those things are so dang good, I want to eat them all the time! I'm sure there are good nutrients there, and certainly that good coconut oil, but I beginning to suspect that they're causing cravings ... but only for more of the same. I've never had an issue with Splenda, and I use only half what the original recipe calls for so they're not really sweet. Not quite sure what the cravings are.

How about everyone else?

[ChicknLady]

Hi Sherry! Most my coconut oil goes in my tea, or to fry my eggs and (when I have to) veggies. And thanks to Jande, I've been using a SMALL amount in my hair to calm the frizzies and add moisture. It's the best leave-conditioner I've found!

I got ambitious late last night and read Bear's link to that arctic explorer's writings; http://www.biblelife.org/stefansson1.htm he's that Stefansson guy who lived, on and off, for ten years on fish, seal, and polar bear. His writings are fascinating! I highly recommend it to everyone here to read all 3 parts when time permits. I can see now where Bear has gotten alot of his views on that "culturalization" stuff he keeps going on about. Absolutely fascinating reading. The weird thing is, that even around the turn of the LAST century, seems people had the same views on nutrition as the mainstream has now (or still has). After 100 YEARS, despite all this evidence to the contrary, carbs and veggies are STILL thought to be the panacea of health. :rolleyes:

[sunrise02]

So, since participating in this thread, and keeping the fats high, how's everyone doing? Notice any wt loss? Inches lost? What's your general well being? Just wanting to know how well it's making you feel and perform thru out day, sleeping and such.

Haven't got 'round to making that recipe, Bawdy. Not much of an appetite. No sweet tooth?!!? Weird.

Chick, thanks for all that info. You prolly need a massage after all that typing!

After 10 weeks of low carb, I have lost 10.75 inches, according to MY PLAN. Pounds? I don't know (staying off the scales 'til 4/08/06.) But, this is day 12 of 70/25/05 (approx). On day 10--I saw a definite change!

How do I feel? I feel great 'cept just do not have that ENERGY everyone talks about. Sleeping well at night but still find myself dying for an afternoon nap--not like me!

I have nasty keto-breath for sure! HURRAY! (I guess, right?) I had one slight headache early on (may have been something else.) Mind is clear (no comments,pls!) and mood is good (ditto!) LOL! I am 'regular.' (I think the flax and coconut oil provide this) My complexion, hair, nails etc have been great. I do still worry about "too much FAT and too many CALORIES!" Wish I could 'get over it!'

Well, that's my story! Probably more than you asked for but it did make me look back and see where this WOE has brought me. Thanks!

(I promise I will start a JOURNAL :D next week to post my menus and stuff. Thanks everyone for letting me post here in the meantime)

I'm really wanting to make Bawdy's Bars but am afraid I will be addicted immediately and go overboard!

Rainy Spring day here but the flowers and spring birds are beautiful! (I have two of the cutest chickadees that showed up yesterday)

Ok--enough, enough,--Have a great day everyone!
S

[BawdyWench]

After 100 YEARS, despite all this evidence to the contrary, carbs and veggies are STILL thought to be the panacea of health. :rolleyes:
Can you say, U-S-D-A? I still say there's big bucks in agriculture.

[BawdyWench]

Sunny, you're doing great!!! I never got the energy rush that people talk about either. It sure is hard to get all that culturally-ingrained stuff out of our heads, isn't it? Just read above what I posted on the vitamins in butter! BUTTER!

I just had my breakfast of 3 eggs over easy fried in TWO TABLESPOONS of IRISH BUTTER and 3 sausage links. I even licked the plate because I didn't want any of that good Irish butter to go to waste!

Chick, just how long is that article? Maybe I can get to it this evening. DH just left for his trip, and I'm off to North Conway (outlet center) to see what I can't live without!

:lol:

[ChicknLady]

Hi Sunrise! It took me FOREVER to get my strengh back after I began LCing. Everywhere I read they said 2-3 days, 2 weeks at most blah blah blah. Took me like over 3 MONTHS until I had as much energy as I had on M&M's and Fritos. I've since read of other people having a slow 'changeover' period too, and I also don't think I have MORE energy now than I ever did.

Bawdy- 3 eggs also, fried in coconut oil, with butter over the whole works. I never tried butter on my eggs before- where have I been?!?! YUM. I think I have over an hour on the article on Stefansson, but well worth the read.

[saffron28]

Hi guys just checking in. Weighed yesterday and showed a pound loss, so I decided to get out he measuring tape, and low and behold about an inch loss all over. WOOHOO!! I'll take it!! I am loving the meat and egg thing, and I have recently started adding coconut oil to my coffee, I am hoping it will help. Every one have a great FAT day!!

[santabarb]

Dear High Fatters--
Glad you love the Kerrygold butter. It makes my day. Another awesome butter is Danish butter or New Zealand butter, if you can find them here in the US. But the Irish butter has its own happifying charm.

I'm still sticking with my one slice of flourless sprouted toast with the Kerrygold butter. I eat it ve-e-e-ry slowly. So I'm basically following Schwarzbein, just a high fat version.

If I go off all carbs my energy goes through the floor. That's what Atkins (a fine diet for many) did to me, especially induction.

It also was not good for my temperament. My poor children and husband may still be scarred for life from my zeal for ultra low carb....

Got to go.

[sunrise02]

Thanks, Chickie and BW for the encouragement and support! I am glad to hear that I am not the only one not getting that "BAM!" It would be nice, though, to have more energy at some point. I have always been a very active person and this draggin' around is horrible! My mind wants to do so much but my body can't seem to catch up!

Butter on eggs? Oh yeah! :agree: LOL--I never knew you could eat eggs without it! :lol: I esp like it on my soft boiled and poached. I use PLUGRA (european style) (99.8 % butterfat.) The taste is incredible. I find that I am spoiled for anything else--butterwise. I'll have to check around for your IRISH butter.

Thanks again for this thread! It helps so much! Y'all are the BEST! :rheart:

S

[sunrise02]

Hi guys just checking in. Weighed yesterday and showed a pound loss, so I decided to get out he measuring tape, and low and behold about an inch loss all over. WOOHOO!! I'll take it!! I am loving the meat and egg thing, and I have recently started adding coconut oil to my coffee, I am hoping it will help. Every one have a great FAT day!!

Saffron, that is GREAT!! Pounds AND inches!! You go Girl!!

Happy FAT day to All!!

[cajuda]

I'm really wanting to make Bawdy's Bars but am afraid I will be addicted immediately and go overboard!

Me too!!!!

[sunrise02]

Me too!!!!

[whisper] Hey, Cajuda, BW says she has a surplus these days. Maybe we could get her to send us some!! ;) [whisper]

LOL!! Just teasing!! :D

Someday....I will make them! :wiggle:

[ChicknLady]

Sunrise, Bawdy, where are you finding all this awesome butter!?!? I'm just disgusted here. House brand, or Land O' Lakes is it. I even hit Wegman's in Erie on a shopping trip today, and nada. They even have this humongous natural foods section, and although they do have organic butter, they have no imported kinds. Unless I looked in the wrong places.

I did pick up some wonderful Irish cheese (Dubliner?), and chewed on it all the way home. I love Ireland. I was there at the end of my frosh year in college, and partied with the Irish guys. Drank lots of warm Guiness and listened to some drunk chap singing Irish drinking songs off-key from on top of a pub table. What a memory.

[BawdyWench]

Drank lots of warm Guiness and listened to some drunk chap singing Irish drinking songs off-key from on top of a pub table. What a memory.
To me, Ireland is heaven. We first went about 6 years ago, and I told DH I would move there in a heartbeat. We went back last summer and had an even better time.

Warm Guinness is amazing. I buy it here, but there's no comparison to having it on tap. Trouble is, they don't serve it warm there anymore. It's always cold.

Here's to a better tomorrow! I did good today, just fell apart a little tonight with a couple Irish whiskeys. Tomorrow, none. Call me on it!

[Bobi-p]

Well, BawdyWench... I'm with you, finished my bottle of champagne with my steak smothered in butter.

[santabarb]

Confession box regarding Saturday and Sunday:
I went to a special event at a college, and allowed myself to get carried away--I didn't eat the flour burrito, or the rice inside, I just picked out the pitiful tablespoon of meat inside.

But I lusted after an orange cranberry scone and had it with a Starbucks decaf, thinking Ok, Carbohydrate Addict's Reward Meal.

Today, attended a funeral at a Lebanese cathedral and could not resist a 2 T of something traditional--wheatberries, walnuts and golden raisins.

Stopped at a whole foods store on the way back and ate some melon, raspberries, blackberries because they were offered for free. Had no protein to balance it.

I passed up many muffins, cakes, pies, enchiladas during this 48 hour debacle--so I did show a modicum of discipline! :lol:

Thanks for the link on Steffanson. Plugra is excellent stuff.

[sunrise02]

Sunrise, Bawdy, where are you finding all this awesome butter!?!? I'm just disgusted here. House brand, or Land O' Lakes is it..

Chickie--I usually find Plugra at Wild Oats (HFS) or Earthfare (HFS).

Heavenly stuff!

[ChicknLady]

Chickie--I usually find Plugra at Wild Oats (HFS) or Earthfare (HFS). OMG, I've never even heard of these stores! We had a 'health-food' store in town once, run by this smelly, huge scary lady. She kept showing us pictures of John Wayne's intestines for some reason, and I never went back. She was out of business soon after. Someday I'll have to hit a 'big city' and find a real health food store!

Bawdy- I fell in love with this one Irish guy (who thatched his own roof back up north!!! Donegal? how cool is that!) and would have married him if he had asked. I was 18. Still think about him every now and then.

Had side pork and eggs for BF- it's a nice change from bacon, and has no salt or preservatives.

[saffron28]

Morning all;

Thank you Sunny, it really was nice to see the numbers on the tape measure, I was getting a bit discouraged because the scale wasn't moving. But I love eating this way, and I am so glad that I found others who eat like I do, and don't think I'm weird. I absolutely love this thread and the "Meat and Egg Fast". These two places make me feel at home and amongst "family". You all ROCK!!!

[santabarb]

Saffron,
Congratulations!

I better locate a tape measure from my sewing kit.

There are other methods of measurement than pounds! My scale says that I have graduated to 100 lbs of muscle mass.

My bone mass has gone from 5.2 to 5.4 Maybe the calcium from the cheese and the increased magnesium?

[sunrise02]

Saffron,
Congratulations!

I better locate a tape measure from my sewing kit.

There are other methods of measurement than pounds! My scale says that I have graduated to 100 lbs of muscle mass.

My bone mass has gone from 5.2 to 5.4 Maybe the calcium from the cheese and the increased magnesium?

SantaBarb--So, how do these scales determine all this info? Do you feel it is accurate? At some point, I will be buying new scales but there seems to be a wide variance these days. ANy info would be helpful. TIA, S

[BawdyWench]

Foodwise, it was good today.

Breakfast: 3 oz cream cheese, 2 Tbsp heavy cream, 1 egg, bit of SF maple syrup (sort of a mock danish)

Snack: Coconut bar

Lunch: can of tuna with 3 Tbsp Miracle Whip

Snack: Coconut bar

Dinner: swordfish smothered in butter

Today I started drinking a ton of water. Let's see if it makes a difference with me.

[cajuda]

Everytime I think about getting the tape measure out, TOM"S here. My menu was good today. CO in coffee, quiche for breakfast, 2 chix thighs with mayo for lunch and for supper, I'll just have 1 since I'm not really hungry. Have a slight cold along with TOM so will get to bed early since I'll be up many times in the night to take care of business. Have a high fat evening everyone.

[sunrise02]

Day 13

B: bacon/cheddar quiche
S: cream cheese, sour cream, eggs, vanilla, Splenda (Ok, Ok, I admit it! It was BAWDY'S CHEESCAKE!! OMG!! I could hardly get it in the oven—the MIX tasted SO GOOD!! Now you see why I can’t make those BAWDY BARS!!)
L: beef patty w/blue cheese crumbles
S: coconut bark
D: corned beef

Percentages: 77/21/03
Cals: 1087
3 liters water

supplements: multi, VIT D, Primrose Oil, cinnamon, red yeast rice, L-Carnitine, CQ-10,

[BawdyWench]

Don't say you weren't warned about that cheesecake! :lol: It really is the perfect high-fat food, except for all the Splenda (or SF syrup) in it. I've known people who ate it several times a day in place a regular meals. On the other hand, my definition of "meal" is beginning to change ...

[santabarb]

SantaBarb--So, how do these scales determine all this info? Do you feel it is accurate? At some point, I will be buying new scales but there seems to be a wide variance these days. ANy info would be helpful. TIA, S


It calculates your body composition using bio-electrical impedance analysis via very low electrical signals--it can analyze total water weight, body fat, muscle mass and bone density and even visceral fat. Water conducts it the quickest, fat slow it down. It uses a mathematical formula imbedded in it to calculate the different readings.

It may not be 100%, but I have tried it when dehydrated, and I get a lower total body water reading; after exercise I get higher muscle mass readings, so it's pretty close to on target.

For me, it has been worth the hundred bucks I spent on it, because it keeps me very curious and always tracking on a calendar. Just like my pedometer does. This one is by a company called Tanita. I got it at Brookstone (the high tech gadget store). I'm sure they'll keep improving over time. I've seen less detailed ones at Target that cost less.

[santabarb]

We had a 'health-food' store in town once, run by this smelly, huge scary lady. She kept showing us pictures of John Wayne's intestines for some reason

Sounds super scary, Chickie. Maybe John Wayne needed a colonic....

[sunrise02]

It calculates your body composition using bio-electrical impedance analysis via very low electrical signals--it can analyze total water weight, body fat, muscle mass and bone density and even visceral fat. Water conducts it the quickest, fat slow it down. It uses a mathematical formula imbedded in it to calculate the different readings.

It may not be 100%, but I have tried it when dehydrated, and I get a lower total body water reading; after exercise I get higher muscle mass readings, so it's pretty close to on target.

For me, it has been worth the hundred bucks I spent on it, because it keeps me very curious and always tracking on a calendar. Just like my pedometer does. This one is by a company called Tanita. I got it at Brookstone (the high tech gadget store). I'm sure they'll keep improving over time. I've seen less detailed ones at Target that cost less.

Sounds cool! Thanks for the info. I will be scale shopping soon...

[saffron28]

Morning all I hope everyone is having a delicious "FAT" day!

[ChicknLady]

Hi "Fatties"! Sounds like everyone is doing well! Santabarb- those scales sound neat. Stuff like that helps me, too. Years ago I spent $150 on a set of weight scales like in the doctor's office- the one with the weights that slide back and forth. I had gotten so tired of cheap floor scales that would change five pounds either way just by rocking on it. I'd gain a few pounds, and wouldn't even know it because I couldn't get reliable readings. The doctor scales go to the quarter-pound, and so weight can't just "sneak up" on you! When I weigh myself, I do it at the same time, first thing in the am after I've 'done my business'.

[BawdyWench]

Hi, all! Today was another good fat day (shall we start referring to every day of the week as Fatterday?). Wait, except that we're EATING fatter, not GETTING fatter!

:lol:

Breakfast today was a couple Bawdy Bars, snack was 3 oz cream cheese mixed with 2 Tbsp heavy cream and a squirt of SF maple syrup, lunch was about 5 ounces roast beef with about 1/4 cup rather oily/fatty gravy (a few carbs there from the Wondra flour, but not as many as with regular flour), and an afternoon snack of another Bawdy Bar. Man, it's going to be years before those things are gone! Dinner is up in the air, other than the glass of cabernet I'm already indulging in. I had a half a handful of almonds, too. I gotta think nuts were something that have always been around, so it's probably ok.

Check out Bear's thread. Someone just posted a question regarding alcohol consumption, and quoted a source that says it's a good thing and that you can still lose weight having alcohol. My kind of source!

Seriously, I do wonder if this is what is keeping me from losing weight. I weighed myself this morning and I haven't lost even a pound. My skirt today felt a tad looser, but who knows.

I just wish I'd get that appointment to discuss my adrenals and all the other hormones that are out of whack. I'd love to get started on a treatment plan. EXCEPT that my nurse practioner wants me to follow Schwarzbein with 90 grams of carbs a day. I tried that and just didn't like eating all those carbs, even if they were veggies. Now maybe I know better why I don't like to eat it all.

I tend to get bloaty when I eat lettuce and salads. I always figured I just had to get used to it again, but shouldn't that tell me something? If I have to get accustomed to eating something and suffer yucky side effects until I got used to eating it, maybe that something isn't so good for me after all?

And now for something completely different ...

ATTENTION: Monday, March 27, is Bawdy's birthday!

:Party: :bday: :Party: :bday: :Party: :bday: :Party:

Yup, she turns 51 (doesn't look a day over 50). I expect presents, and lots of 'em. AND I expect a visit from the whoosh fairy. DH will be gone on my birthday. He's coming home Friday night (around midnight) and has to leave again on Sunday morning. He wanted to take me out for a nice dinner, but I said we'd do it another night when he's home for longer. (When he's home for only a day, we have to spend that day unpacking, doing laundry, ironing, and packing again.)

So instead I'm going to pick up the thickest Porterhouse steak for him, and the biggest filet mignon I can find for me. A bottle of cabernet, and we're all set. We still have Girl Scout cookies for him to have for dessert (I can do without). Or maybe I'll make my special Bawdy Cheesecake! Ooh! That sounds like a wonderful idea.

So mark your calendar, ladies. I expect to be adored on my birthday. (Why, yes. I have always been a bit shy. Why do you ask?)

[Honeyrose]

Hi, I was just browsing around and came across this thread. I am seriously thinking of embarking on a high fat/low carb diet, since I love meats. The biggest challeng I have is putting sugar in my coffee, although I've lost weight before while still drinking coffee/sugar. My downfall was krispy Kreme donuts. :lol:

The problem I'm facing...last year I had to start taking the "purple pill" for acid reflex. And research indicates this is cause from fatty foods and spicy as well. Has anyone here experienced acid reflex while on this diet?

If this is not caused by this I will once again try this and really stick with it. I've already stacked up on my foods so I can get started as early as tomorrow.

also, while reading, I completely forgot about cream cheese, which I love. I used to make mock danish all the time and my teenage (skinny) daughter even loved it.

If I can do this without causing my acid reflux to worsen, I would like to join also. :)

[Honeyrose]

Oh! And one more thing...I also notice when I did the high fat low carb, my joints felt so much better! Now my legs are stiff all the time and I feel like a 90 year old! You should see me walking down the steps at work. I have to take one step at a time.

[santabarb]

Gosh,you Fatfest ladies sure are busy talking away. I don't think I can do proper justice to each observation or question but I'll try to cover some:

Sunrise--I'm glad the scale info was useful to you. Happy scale shopping. :)

Chickie--Yes, an honest scale is invaluable. You know how God rails against false weights in the Old Testament....

Bawdy Wench--I'm guessing your birthday is pretty important to you--and all those who love you. I'd send you a vat of coconut oil, but "Rural Maine" probably wouldn't quite get the job done what with mailmen being union and everything.

Only four more days to go! I think I shall do some stoutness exercises in your honor on March 27 a la Winnie the Pooh. :agree:

Honeyrose--You know the expression, "The squeaky wheel gets the grease." Yeah, I think my joints are already better lubricated thanks to olive oil , butter, and some coconut oil. At different points in the last 5 years I haven't even been able to walk up stairs. I felt I was experiencing the octogenarian lifestyle way too early in life.
I hope your acid reflux stays put. Atkins says it's due to sugar, not oils or fats. I think it was in his big book on vitamins.

[cajuda]

welcome Honeyrose!! :wave:

I'm terribly hungry this a.m. Fatterday's (I like that Bawdywrench!) menu (yesterday) was quiche for both breakfast & lunch, a chix. thigh and bratwurst/mayo for dinner. Ate the thigh around 4 and then the bratwurst around 5:30. Getting much better to eat when I'm hungry and then just a little at a time. It's sooo hard for me to listen to my stomach but I'm trying. Of course, CO in coffee-3 Tbls. or so.

Everyone have a great Fatty day!

[BawdyWench]

Hi, Honeyrose! I'm surprised that the "research" says acid reflux is caused by fat. I've never heard that, nor do I believe it is true. I'm trying to remember where I read it just in the past week (could it be a link from Bear's post?), but it stated that the reason people get acid reflux is that your stomach can't fully digest the cellulose in vegetables and so tends to go through your system so fast that it has nowhere to go and starts backing up into the esophogas again.

This might not be exactly right, but it's the gist of the mechanism. Fat and protein is broken down fully, but over a longer time so that the vitamins and nutrients are fully absorbed. What I read said that you really don't get as many vitamins from vegetables as you think because they go through your system so fast.

I know I get very bloaty when I eat raw veggies (even when cooked tender-crisp). Gas is evolved in the digestion process, which I would assume to be part of the problem with acid reflux.

Or maybe I'm all wet. I do know that in all the books I've read on the LC lifestyle (and it's been a lot!), they all say that things like acid reflux and other gastrointestinal problems (like IBS, colitis, etc.) are much improved when you cut the carbs.

But, the best way to know for sure is to try it. You already said you felt better when eating this way before. Why would you take someone's word for something when your experience has shown you otherwise?

Join the ranks! You have nothing to lose except your acid reflux and extra pounds!

:)

[BawdyWench]

Birthdays important to me? I just think that one day a year, you deserve to be absolutely worshipped. For one day out of the year, I want it to be all about me Me ME and not have to feel self-centered about it!

What could be wrong about that? :lol:

[saffron28]

Good morning to all of us "fatties"!! LOL I hope every one is having a wonderful "fat" day!

Bawdy just want to wish you a magnificent birthday on the 27th. Have to wish it now, as that is moving day for me and I will be off line for a few days. How I am ever going to survive with out my on-line family I don't know, but I will be back on-line as quickly as I can manage.

Going to try the coconut oil cookie for breakfast this am, I am looking forward to seeing how it tastes. Have a good day everyone.

[santabarb]

Birthdays important to me? I just think that one day a year, you deserve to be absolutely worshipped.

I will worship from afar.

[sunrise02]

Birthdays important to me? I just think that one day a year, you deserve to be absolutely worshipped. For one day out of the year, I want it to be all about me Me ME and not have to feel self-centered about it!

What could be wrong about that? :lol:

Not a darn thing! I credit my mother for raising me to believe that it is MY SPECIAL DAY!

[ChicknLady]

Bawdy- I like your views on birthdays! Now if I could just get everyone else to observe it too! My son was born two days after my Bday, so every year it seems that I'm focused on HIM more than anything else. I need to change that! He's super-important too, but maybe it's time for Mom to step up. Remind me this October if I've forgotten!

Have had kindof a junky menu so far today. I left the house early to meet some guys for work, and I'm never hungry first thing. On the way, I stopped at a little store that sells locally packaged meats, and got a bag of peppered beef sticks. They're about a foot long, and a half inch thick, and YUMMY. Had two for BF, and two for 'lunch' at 2:00 when I got out of the woods. They don't seem too packed with weird stuff, so maybe it's OK just once in a while! Chicken wings and wine tonite.

Oh, and welcome, Honeyrose! Seems to me that after doing LC then high fat/VLC, NOTHING really has gotten worse. Everything has gotten better for me; face cleared up, back ache gone, bloat gone, fat gone...... I really can't think of anything that has happened negatively because of LC. . . . . . . OK, so maybe I still really miss heaping bowls of buttered popcorn and peanut M&M's, but HEY. It's getting easier. AND, it's worth it!

[BawdyWench]

Hi, Chickie! About the beef stick ... sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do. Sometimes we don't have much of a choice.

I had a physical therapy appointment this morning, after which I did some running around (took a half day off work). Went to the grocery store and they were just taking the turkeys out of the rotisserie. Mmmmmmm. That aroma! I bought one then hurried home and started devouring it. All that luscious skin! And the meat is so tender and juicy. The only thing I don't like about eating this way is that I have to watch my protein portions so that they don't get too high. If I shoot for 75/25/0, I have to be taking in a lot more grams of fat than protein. I was going to say 3 times as many, but that's not true. Protein has 4 calories per gram, and fat has 9 calories per gram ...

:help:

Higher math! Can't do it. I let Fitday handle those calculations. ANYWAY, suffice it to say that you need a lot of fat. I slathered on probably 2 Tbsp of my Wonderful Irish Butter (WIB, for short!), and hopefully that will get me close to the right ratios.

Have you told anyone else what you're doing? I mean, like friends and people at work? How do you tell people you don't eat veggies? They look at you like you're nuts. I tried with one person the other day, and ended up sounding like a fad dieter. I mean, and how do you hide it?

"What's for lunch, Bawdy?" Nothing much, just a bowlful of turkey breast and a couple tablespoons of butter.

"What's that snack you're eating, Bawdy?" Oh, just some coconut oil with a little SF peanut butter thrown in.

:rolleyes:

[Honeyrose]

Bawdy: The only thing I don't like about eating this way is that I have to watch my protein portions so that they don't get too high

Uh oh, I must have missed something here. After I thought I'd done great. What happens if your protein is higher than your fat intake? I use Fitday to. I get most of my proteins from meats.

Could you give me an example of the 75/25/0? I'm trying to remember, when I did Atkins one summer I ate a lot of meat then also and lost 25 lbs.. I'm also going to do more research so I can better understand this method.
My carbs were a little high 30/2 because I'd eaten a very small banana. I feel guilty letting food go bad so I ate it. :lol:

Breakfast : 4 oz. lite keilbasa
1 large boiled egg

Lunch: small salad (left for work in a hurry and forgot the diced chicken)


dinner: 3 large scrambled eggs w/ cheese
large steak cooked in butter.

[BawdyWench]

All I meant was that if I eat a ton of protein, I need to eat a ton and a half of fat to keep the ratios in line.

For example, if I eat a beef tenderloin (my favorite!), 5 ounces turns out to be a ratio of 48% protein and 52% fat. If I'm looking to have ratios of about 75/25, I have to add 4 Tbsp of butter (that's half a stick!).

Not that every meal has to be the 75/25 ratio, but you see that if you eat a lot of protein -- and by no means do I feel that 5 ounces of filet mignon is a lot of protein -- you have to really up the fat.

[sunrise02]

All I meant was that if I eat a ton of protein, I need to eat a ton and a half of fat to keep the ratios in line.

For example, if I eat a beef tenderloin (my favorite!), 5 ounces turns out to be a ratio of 48% protein and 52% fat. If I'm looking to have ratios of about 75/25, I have to add 4 Tbsp of butter (that's half a stick!).

Not that every meal has to be the 75/25 ratio, but you see that if you eat a lot of protein -- and by no means do I feel that 5 ounces of filet mignon is a lot of protein -- you have to really up the fat.

Hah! If you eat Bawdy's cheescake every chance you get, FAT percentages are seldom an issue! I need to work my way back to a tad more protein.

Day14
B: lc Bawdy's Cheesecake 10 raspberries
S: coffee w/cream
L: beef patty w/mustard
S: coconut/peanut butter bark
D: bacon and cheddar quiche
Calories:1454
Percentages: 77/21/03

[Honeyrose]

Why is it I can never find the caloric/carb count for antipasto salad? Anyone have any idea and also what about mixed nuts? In figuring out my menu for tomorrow, which will probably be today when you read this...I will have had more fat than protein and my carbs will be around 22 minus 6 for fiber.
Have a good night!

[sunrise02]

Why is it I can never find the caloric/carb count for antipasto salad? Anyone have any idea and also what about mixed nuts? In figuring out my menu for tomorrow, which will probably be today when you read this...I will have had more fat than protein and my carbs will be around 22 minus 6 for fiber.
Have a good night!

Honeyrose, Fitday.com lists it just as "antipasto" and gives the components.

HTH, S

[JandLsMom]

Hi folks!
Can i join you? i am a real high fat eater my fat is in the 70's most days! I am doing atkis induction, but i only eat 1-3 cups of veggies a day instead of the recommended 3. Todays ratio was 75/4/21 which is about average for me. i love olive oil, butter, and cream!! My cals average to be about 1800 per day..they tend to range between 1400 and 2100 depending on the day. I am not for the low calorie with low carb thing. i eat when i am hungry! i hope i can join you!

[BawdyWench]

Of course you can join! ANYBODY can join! We do have one rule, though.

NO RULES!!!!!!!!!!!

You don't have to ask if "this" is ok or if "that" is ok. All we strive for here are high fat levels, moderate protein, and low or no carbs.

I need to study some menus, because yesterday even before dinner (which I ended up not having because I was still full from the chicken), my calories were about 1800. I'll post everthing tonight and see. Sunny, if you hadn't posted the stats for your menu, I would have guessed it to be around 2000. Hmmmm.

Oh well. Gotta get to work. It's 5:10 am already and I just got up. I usually get up between 4:00 and 4:30.

Have a great Fatterday!

[cajuda]

185!! Whoohoo! It actually looks like 184 but...I've been bouncing around 188 for so long that this was definitely nice to see. I was pretty sure it was going to happen as I was kind of ravenous Mon. & Tues. and seems like I get a whoosh shortly afterwards.

Goodbye 188 :thup: Hello 185! :wave:

Just had to share.

Welcome JandLsMom!! Glad you could join us. What a terrific weight loss start you've had! :thup:

[saffron28]

Good Morning to all my "fat-tabulous" friends!! I couldn't believe all the posts since yesterday, WOW way to go ladies. I did fairly well eating yesterday. My normal two eggs scrambled in butter, a bit of c.o./flax cookie, roast beef with mayo, and hamburger patties with the trimmings {lettuce, onion, and tomato} for dinner. Scale is still holding steady, but the clothes are feeling looser. Everyone have a great "fat" day!!!

[sunrise02]

Sunny, if you hadn't posted the stats for your menu, I would have guessed it to be around 2000. Hmmmm.

Oh well. Gotta get to work. It's 5:10 am already and I just got up. I usually get up between 4:00 and 4:30.

Have a great Fatterday!

That's what I got in Fitday. I think the only thing that saved me was that my portions were quite small yesterday. (I wasn't that hungry and I was not in a good frame of mind.) I finally gave the rest of the cheesecake to my family (instead of using it as a "meal replacement!" :lol: )

Today, I am doing STRICT M & E.

The sun comes up earlier there, doesn't it?! I am looking forward to longer days. It definitely affects me. I love SUNSHINE!

Hope everyone has a Fantastic Fat day! :wave:
S

[sunrise02]

185!! Whoohoo! It actually looks like 184 but...I've been bouncing around 188 for so long that this was definitely nice to see. I was pretty sure it was going to happen as I was kind of ravenous Mon. & Tues. and seems like I get a whoosh shortly afterwards.

Goodbye 188 :thup: Hello 185! :wave:

CAJUDA!! Fat-Tastic!! That is so great!! I am excited for you! :hyper:

JandLsmom--Welcome! :wave: Good to have you join us. Everyone here is wonderful and we love "to chew the FAT!"

Toodles, S

[ChicknLady]

I love SUNSHINE! I do too! But yet ANOTHER grey, cold day with flurries. My Vitamin D levels must be going thru the floor!

Hi JandlsMom! Great to see you here! Stick with us and the sky's the limit! Gotta love this high fat-eating. I haven't really been 'hungry' for a long time, ever since I've been really concentrating on this way of eating.

I really haven't told anyone about my newest views on vegetables, and since we never ate many before ANYHOW, I just won't bring it up. My DH already thinks I'm nuts, and that I'm getting carried away with all this "fadish" stuff, don't need any more grief. As long as I don't talk about LC he's fine, and will even basically eat that way because he likes the food and I do the buying and cooking. The less said the better!

I'm still going to have my garden this year, though. I do enjoy fresh veggies, and even though Bear thinks they're "poison", I don't think the occasional serving thru the summer will harm me at all! I usually plant tomatoes, peppers, broccoli, brussels sprouts, acorn squash, and pumpkins (I ADORE roasted pumpkin seeds).

Hey Cajuda! Way to go! You're doing it!!!!!!

[JandLsMom]

Thanks for the welcome everyone!! I think i will fit in here nicely. I tried doing the M/E fast last week but couldnt make it past day 4! High fat seems to work best for me! And i gotta have my cheese..im a cheese fiend..i can't help it..but i never go over the 4 oz limit per day that atkins suggests!

[ChicknLady]

I'm a cheesehead too. Ever try an omellette without cheese? B O R I N G. Although, I used to put cheese on my fried eggs, and now, thanks to this thread, I've discovered how truly miraculous BUTTER is! Had three fried eggs with butter this morning. I never liked the egg-white part because it's so rubbery and tasteless, but throw some yolk and BUTTER on it, and the whites are almost palatable.

[santabarb]

Olive oil and butter rock!

I think coconut oil is best for making chocolate treats that you freeze--good flavor there and as fast a food as you can get!

But for your basic cuisine: tomatoes and most vegetables cooked in olive oil.

B U T T E R for everything else. :yum:

[BawdyWench]

Sunny, I wanted to make it clear that I wasn't doubting your numbers. My portions are obviously larger than yours. I find I'm still pretty hungry. Usually the ketosis kicks in and lessens my hunger dramatically, but not lately -- in fact, not at all in the past year.

I've probably mentioned that I've had trouble lately with weird symptoms (including gaining 20 pounds that won't budge no matter what I do). I've had adrenal, thyroid, hormonal, and every other test in the book. I've been waiting for a call back from the Women to Women Center to discuss my results. I was on a call list, and they were supposed to call me either late February or very early March. They never did.

So this morning I called them just to be sure I was still on their call list. She said I was and that indeed that had called twice but I never returned their calls. Huh? Turns out they wrote down my number wrong. They are supposed to call both my work number and home number, but they were only calling the work number, and that was wrong!

Hopefully they'll call soon.

Did I mention I'm off BC pills since January 1? I am, and had a period at the end of January. Nothing at the end of February. Now here it is the end of March and nothing yet. But, my lower abdomen is extremely sore, as is my back, and I about lost it when my sweet kitten whom I love dearly kept licking my hand while I was trying to type.

Refresh my memory. Is this PMS? :help:

[sunrise02]

Sunny, I wanted to make it clear that I wasn't doubting your numbers.

I've probably mentioned that I've had trouble lately with weird symptoms (including gaining 20 pounds that won't budge no matter what I do). I've had adrenal, thyroid, hormonal, and every other test in the book. I've been waiting for a call back from the Women to Women Center to discuss my results. I was on a call list, and they were supposed to call me either late February or very early March. They never did.

So this morning I called them just to be sure I was still on their call list. She said I was and that indeed that had called twice but I never returned their calls. Huh? Turns out they wrote down my number wrong. They are supposed to call both my work number and home number, but they were only calling the work number, and that was wrong!

Hopefully they'll call soon.

Did I mention I'm off BC pills since January 1? I am, and had a period at the end of January. Nothing at the end of February. Now here it is the end of March and nothing yet. But, my lower abdomen is extremely sore, as is my back, and I about lost it when my sweet kitten whom I love dearly kept licking my hand while I was trying to type.

Refresh my memory. Is this PMS? :help:

No, no--no prob. Being new at this whole thing--I still make lots of boo-boos so I appreciate the input.:agree: Like the day I panicked at 3769 calories!! I still had CUPS of cream cheese and CUPS of heavy cream, instead of TBS!

Oh dear--there isn't any good way to put this---prob not PMS anymore--more like Peri-Menopause!! I know, I know--we don't want to hear it! But I AM LIVIN' It! Being a bit older-- I can tell you--nothing makes sense anymore!! I have experienced the weight gain thingy--BIG time! Can you say--CEMENT!!!????

The period thing? No BC--for 15 months. Several months--no period. Last month--light period. TWO weeks later--major PMS--mood, tenderness, headache--you name it. And, then the flood gates opened!!! Sorry, TMI!

The weight thing? For me it was more like 30 INSTANT pounds! I walked, I dieted, I starved--I cried in the Dr's office when, at the end of 3 months, walking 4-5 miles daily, I had GAINED FIVE POUNDS!!

I have NO answers!! I can only think what it would be like if I were not trying to stay on top of it!

Anyway--hang on--it's going to be quite a ride! For the most part, I have been symptom free--no hot flashes, or severe mood swings or the like. I am very grateful for that!

My best (unsolicited) advice would be to all of you 45 years and younger---make it your goal to get the weight off NOW before it becomes almost impossible!!

Keep doing everything you can to get to where you want to be and stay there!

Ok--enough lectures from the Big Sister.

Fat hugs to all of you,

S

[cajuda]

My best (unsolicited) advice would be to all of you 45 years and younger---make it your goal to get the weight off NOW before it becomes almost impossible!!

Keep doing everything you can to get to where you want to be and stay there!



Oh dear, I better hurry!! :lol: My mother went through menopause in her early 40's and my 4 sisters and I have yet to show signs of it (age ranges from 50-44) I'll be 49 in a month. I've been anxious to get through it and get it over with but now....I'll pray I lose another 30 before that happens. I'll pray for all of us. Have a good high fat day.

[BawdyWench]

And if you haven't started yet, use industrial-strength eye cream twice a day EVERY DAY!!!!!

[BawdyWench]

I can only think what it would be like if I were not trying to stay on top of it!
But that's the thing. I gained the 20 pounds, and now NOTHING happens no matter what I do. I can starve myself and exercise until I drop from exhaustion, and not a pound lost. I can also start eating 90 grams of carbs a day and STILL nothing happens.

It seems no matter what I do, I can neither lose NOR gain.

To give you just a tad bit of background. I've been on the pill every day (no placebos) for about 5 years. I don't have kids, and studies are showing that women who have a period every single month for their entire adult lives have dramatically higher rates of ovarian cancer than women who don't (meaning, women who have children and nurse them and so have many months without periods). I talked to my doctor about it and he said he'd read the same things. Also, I was having extremely heavy periods and he thought the pill would obviously help that, too. So, I started the pill every day so that I would not have any periods at all. It was great until this last year.

Now that I'm no longer on the pill (I had a tubal ligation at age 28), I find I'm sleeping better. Or it could be all the supplements the new place has me on. Who knows.

I just gotta get this weight off. Vanity aside, I hate feeling all mushy and not being able to do my workouts.

Enough whining. Gotta get to work.

Happy Fatterday!

[BawdyWench]

So how was everyone's day?

So far, I've done well, though I haven't eaten much:
Breakfast: 4 oz cream cheese, 2 eggs, 2 Tbsp cream, good squirt of SF maple syrup, and some whipped cream on top (sort of like a mock danish)

Snack: Bawdy bar

Lunch: 4 oz chicken breast with 2 Tbsp butter

Snack: Bawdy bar

Dinner: Good question! So far, 1 glass Cabernet
I have to wait up until almost midnight for DH to come home from his business trip. Unfortunately, he has to leave again for 4 days on Sunday morning. I already bought a couple huge steaks for dinner tomorrow night.

Anyone else still reading Bear's thread? I'm getting so tired of this David fellow. I'd rather hear about how others are doing eating no carbs. Do they miss the variety, the different textures, etc.? How do they deal with friends and family?

Gotta get off the computer for a while. I started getting a screaming head/shoulder/neck-ache at work from being on the computer, it eased out on the way home, and now it's coming back with a vengeance.

Catch you later!

[Honeyrose]

I'm still hanging in there and doing very well, I might add! :thup: The stiffness in my legs are gone. I actually ran up some steps today! I hadn't done that in a long time. :lol: I've always noticed whenever I eat a lot of "bad" carbs, I'd have these stiff joints. Maybe all the fat is lubricating the joints? I kinda feel like the tin man here! :lol:

Anyway, I'm wondering if I'm taking in enough calories from what I've been reading. I've been hovering around 1400 to 1500. My carbs have been around 20 minus 6 for fiber. Today it was 18 minus 3.

Also, I wanted to have some fried chicken wings (no coating of course) just fried in oil. What do you think?

I've also noticed I haven't been hungry, maybe that's why my calories are not that high. I've had to force myself to eat.

My diet has basically been meat/eggs and for a snack some mix nuts to add some fiber/fat.

I have some friends who are doing WW and they're tellng me I'm not going to succeed bc, I'm not eating balanced (potatoes etc.) so I'm going to have to really stay disciplined to prove them wrong.
Hope everyone has a great weekend! :)

[santabarb]

Day was quite good, thank you for asking.

I did a very detailed nutritional analysis of my intake yesterday. I'll submit it later and ask for input.

I'm concerned about the lower abdominal pain and back ache you mentioned BW, because they can be the symptoms of a bad condition. Consider having it checked out to eliminate something serious if it continues.

Am not reading the Bear thread.

Am taking the W to W 'horse pills'. They're fine as long as you take with a meal and not on their own. Fish oil is not good when you earp! :lol:

Today's BBC News (on line version) has an article on "Doubts Cast on Oily Fish Benefits." I thought that was pretty much a bedrock item--omega-3 fats. What can a person believe these days? :help:

Honeyrose--I can confirm that my joints are better at the present. It used to be that sitting in a car for thirty minutes left me really stiff. But I've been leary of the glucosomine since it is from shellfish and can lead to shellfish allergies over time. Oil and fats seems safe to me by comparison.

[ChicknLady]

Bawdy- Thankyou for kicking David in the *ss. I think I read thru most of his very first post, then got pretty tired of it all, and MAYBE skimmed a few more of them. And I thought Itsthewoo got carried away sometimes! I think it's wonderful that the Bear started the all-meat topic, as un-PC as it is even on this forum. At least the mods have been leaving him alone lately- maybe they finally figured he wasn't do any harm, wasn't going to go away, and people really like him.

Had a good day- BF was eggs in BUTTER, lunch was a cheeseburger, and dindin was a Perkins sausage and cheese omlette. Thinkin' about a nice glass o' wine here in a few minutes. . . . .

Honeyrose- how do you do it with the calorie count? I'm envious! I've done chicken wings under the broiler, and it works really well. I'd like to try frying them in coconut oil, but haven't had a chance yet. I did pan-fry some thighs a few days ago in a combo of BUTTER and CO, and they were EXCELLENT. I used my cast iron, which is still in the throes of seasoning, so the skin kept sticking. So, I just scraped up the skin and ate it while the rest of the legs were still cooking! YUMMY.

[Bobi-p]

So how was everyone's day?

So far, I've done well, though I haven't eaten much:Breakfast: 4 oz cream cheese, 2 eggs, 2 Tbsp cream, good squirt of SF maple syrup, and some whipped cream on top (sort of like a mock danish)

Snack: Bawdy bar

Lunch: 4 oz chicken breast with 2 Tbsp butter

Snack: Bawdy bar

Dinner: Good question! So far, 1 glass Cabernet
I have to wait up until almost midnight for DH to come home from his business trip. Unfortunately, he has to leave again for 4 days on Sunday morning. I already bought a couple huge steaks for dinner tomorrow night.

Anyone else still reading Bear's thread? I'm getting so tired of this David fellow. I'd rather hear about how others are doing eating no carbs. Do they miss the variety, the different textures, etc.? How do they deal with friends and family?

Gotta get off the computer for a while. I started getting a screaming head/shoulder/neck-ache at work from being on the computer, it eased out on the way home, and now it's coming back with a vengeance.

Catch you later!

I am still reading theBear's thread. It does get a little tiring reading that other person's posts, so I generally just skip over it!

I feel great just sticking with meat, fish and eggs, with a lot of butter, etc. But, then again, it has always been my preference to eat this way.:)

[BawdyWench]

I'm concerned about the lower abdominal pain and back ache you mentioned BW, because they can be the symptoms of a bad condition. Consider having it checked out to eliminate something serious if it continues.
Not to worry. Just a period. It's been so long, I'd forgotten what it felt like. I'm fine today. Still a little yucky, but ok. I had very heavy periods prior to starting the BC pills full time. I suspect they will return. It is a symptom of hypoT, and my test results point in that direction. I'm sure things will even out as soon as I see the NP and discuss my test results.

I'm supposed to see my regular doctor on Wednesday. I really wanted to see the NP first, so I'll probably call on Monday and postpone my appointment for a month.

Dinner ended up being another glass of wine.

Tomorrow will be better.

Barb, what can you believe? Who the heck knows? These days I'm just sticking to what SEEMS most logical to me. Gut sense, ya know?

[ChicknLady]

Good Morning! Never did have my glass of wine last night- by the time I got son cleaned up and into bed I was whipped myself, and just went to bed too. Just now, I'm sipping my coconut oil/cream green tea, and waiting for any appetite to kick in and and fry up some eggs and BUTTER.

Bawdy- I've read on this forum that sometimes ketosis can cause a back ache. I'm not sure if I've experienced a ketosis-back, but I've noticed occasionally an ache in the middle of my back, right about on the vertebrae, that I'd never had. I could never find that thread again, but I remember someone's doctor had told them about the ketosis-thing. But then again, who can you really believe, especially someone with an MD???? Any more, I'm going to believe whatever I want. Eggs, beef, butter. . . .Good. Wine, salt, 70% Lindt's dark chocolate. . . . . Good. Eveything else. . . . .Bad. :lol:

[sunrise02]

March 24—Day 16

B: Black coffee-davinci syrup, Poached eggs w/butter
S: Bawdy Bar Bites
L: Pepperoni
S: Bawdy Bar Bites
D: Chicken wings
Percentages: 72/25/03
Cals: 1576

This was supposed to be my second day of “3 days STRICT M&E. “ After 3 days, my reward was going to be Bawdy Bars. Well, you see what happened to that!!

I didn’t have protein powder, as the recipe calls for, so I added flax seed. These are UNBELIEVABLE! :yum: I need to see how and where they are going to fit into my eating plan. Taste wise—I could subsist on just these for days!

Forget about M & E—how about a Bawdy’s Bodacious Body Diet? :wiggle: Bawdy Bars for meals, Bawdy’s Dip for snacks and Bawdy’s Cheesecake for dessert. Oh and of course, wine and champagne for beverages. LOL--Works for me!

[JandLsMom]

The last 3 days i ate

75% fat/4% Carb/21% Protein
70% fat/4% carb/26% Protein
75% fat/4% carb/20% Protein

Am i passing??

[JandLsMom]

i sometimes feeling like i am eating too much! i will post my calories for the past 7 days..could someone tell me if this is the appropriate level for me??

1617 cals
1961 cals
2220 cals
1602 cals
2020 cals
1412 cals
1782 cals

As you can see it varies from day to day because i am really not counting calories only carbs..is it ok for my calories to vary so much? should i be trying to stick under a certain number?

if you add those numbers and divide by 7...it averages to be 1800 cals per day!

[santabarb]

I am glad all is well. :wave: I don't know who has the cold, hard facts. There is a very interesting thread on this forum on Vitamin D. I may get myself tested to find out what my Vitamin D levels are and go from there.

I know that Weight Watchers leaves me starving while eating processed food I don't believe in. Once the weight is off, it's back doublefold, triplefold. Other diets the same.

I feel like this is more of a discipline--a salutary discipline--rather than a diet. So I am much more at peace.

Plus, organic food,olive oil, butter, no sugar, no caffeine, very low grains--nothing to argue with there. :thup:

Bkfst: 2 eggs,
2 crisp bacon,
3 cubes of melon,
1 thumb size piece of apple,
decaf, cream, stevia
(This was at a restaurant which we biked to. All I had to do was forego the sour dough bread or so called 'wheat toast,' it was stunningly easy to get it balanced and avoid hash browns.)

Lunch: lamb
spinach, 3/4 cup
flourless sprout bread (Ezekiel 4:9), 1 slice
butter, 1 pat

Dinner: steak
salad
olive oil vinaigrette
cabernet, 3 oz.

[Honeyrose]

Hey everyone! Just wanted to report that as of this morning I am 4 1/2 lbs. less! :yay: :yay: You should've seen me! I carried that scale all over the place to see if the reading would change, but it did not. Oh btw, I was 233 last Saturday and today I was 228.5! :) And just to think, I was afraid to get on the scale this morning! :lol: :lol:

This morning I had 4 strips of bacon and 3 scrambled eggs/cheese in lots of butter.

I saw on the show Low Carb and Lovin It a snack he made using slithered almonds and pecans. You roast them in melted butter, then add a little cinnamon and splenda and cook till roasted. I'm not sure of the carb content.
I put almonds/pecans in fitday and although there's a lot of fiber it makes the carbs a little high. 30 minus 13 (some where around there) which would give me a net carb of 17. I'm not sure if I'm going to try this yet and I have no splenda anyway. Just trying to find a way to satisfy my sweet tooth.

For dinner I will have fried chicken wings w/o flour of course!

My brother is doing Atkins and he's lost 6 lbs. so far, so that motivates me to keep up with him. :)

Now I can tell my WW friends, I've lost 4.5 lbs. Now if I can just keep going down, I'll feel like I'm doing something! :lol:

I notice everyone talking about coconut oil. could someone tell me the benefits of it?
Hope everyone's having a good weekend! :wave:

[santabarb]

People, I 've been doing this for exactly four weeks now and I got on the scale and bingo--the precise weight I started out with a month ago. Any ideas?:help:

[santabarb]

Seriously, I could use some help here. Am I getting confused between healthy eating and dieting? I thought the healthy eating would bring with it some decrease in pounds.... :D

[santabarb]

I just saw your post, Honeyrose. Lots of thumbs up. :thup: :thup: :thup: :thup: :thup: Awesome!!!

[JandLsMom]

santabarb...how many carbs a day are you eating? If your carb level is too high..you will just be maintaining.

[BawdyWench]

Barb, I don't know what to tell you. Sometimes it takes longer for people. I think the best thing to do is to eat healthy foods, which you're doing, and wait it out.

If it makes you feel any better, which it won't, I haven't lost anything either. Maybe you, like me, have something else going on that is preventing the loss. I know when your adrenals are damaged, it can wreak havoc with your entire metabolic system. As I've posted before, it seems no matter how much or how little I eat and exercise, I see no difference -- not even a gain -- in the scale.

Who knows. I don't. That's for sure. I wish I had answers for you, but I don't.

[MercyD]

Hi--I just jumped in here because I saw the title on main forum. I'm doing primarily meat, eggs, and dairy and I use fitday occasionally to see where I'm at with ratios...I usually end up with 70-80% fats, and 15+% protein. This works for me and I am losing weight...so now I'm going to have to read all this fascinating thread.

But I did have a question for you "Higher Fat" people....do you find yourself craving fats??? When I have a day that is lower in fat, because I broke down and ate some carbs, or had lots of salad or whatever...anyway, by the next day I am craving fats...seriously. Like I have to find meat with a huge strip of fat on it, or eat some cream cheese straight, or a spoon of peanut butter with an equal amount of butter, or goat's cheese with olive oil...a leftover treat from my veg days...used to dip bread in it. ;)

Anyone else experience this? I love the way I feel eating this way, and I'm losing both weight and inches, but everytime I experience this extreme craving for fat.....It is kind of un-nerviing. Please let me know if you have experienced this :q:

[sunrise02]

Hi--I just jumped in here because I saw the title on main forum. I'm doing primarily meat, eggs, and dairy and I use fitday occasionally to see where I'm at with ratios...I usually end up with 70-80% fats, and 15+% protein. This works for me and I am losing weight...so now I'm going to have to read all this fascinating thread.

But I did have a question for you "Higher Fat" people....do you find yourself craving fats??? When I have a day that is lower in fat, because I broke down and ate some carbs, or had lots of salad or whatever...anyway, by the next day I am craving fats...seriously. Like I have to find meat with a huge strip of fat on it, or eat some cream cheese straight, or a spoon of peanut butter with an equal amount of butter, or goat's cheese with olive oil...a leftover treat from my veg days...used to dip bread in it. ;)

Anyone else experience this? I love the way I feel eating this way, and I'm losing both weight and inches, but everytime I experience this extreme craving for fat.....It is kind of un-nerviing. Please let me know if you have experienced this :q:

Mercy--You must have been spying on me today! I had leftover chicken wings and as I went to eat them, I saw the butter container. Yep :agree: --I smeared butter on them and ate away! In my previous life, I would have expected lightning to strike! The other night I had a "snack" of 1 tsp peanut butter and 1 oz cream cheese blended. I crave hot tea with a spoonful of coconut oil. I could go on but I won't. :lol:

Some people express problems with too much protein and not enough fat. I do not seem to ever have that problem.

You and I might be the only ones but I bet not!

[ChicknLady]

Hi Barb! Sure is frustrating when the scales won't move! I've found my problem is just plain old too many calories. I thought I had a good day in today, then sat down with FitDay and ended up with 2300 cals! I was straight M&E, too.

BF: tea w/CO and cream
3 eggs fried in CO w/BUTTER

LUNCH: 6 ounces roast beef with cheese

DINNER: 8 oz. rib-eye steak w/BUTTER

NOW: 6 oz. merlot (maybe one more!)

Have you tried FitDay? I just started, and it sure is an eye-opener! I haven't lost anything either, yet, since I started here a few weeks ago, BUT I WILL!!!!!!

JandlsMom- looks to me like you are RIGHT on track! I wish I could post numbers like you have! My fat/protein numbers are very similar, usually around 72%, but I gotta watch my cals. Dang. I think if you stick with what you are doing, you'll lose the weight and be healthier than anyone you know.

Hi Mercy, and welcome! I really am enjoying the "Fat Experience" too. I'm amazed how fast I've overcome my low-fat brainwashing, when I used to feel guilty for eating EGGS fer cryin' out loud! I woofed down a really fatty rib-eye tonite without a single voice whispering nasty things in my ear. What a relief.

[Honeyrose]

Santabarb:I just saw your post, Honeyrose. Lots of thumbs up. While doing almond sliver treats? Awesome!!!

Thank you but I haven't tried the slivered almonds yet. I was thinking of trying that roasted nut snack but am kind of hesitant. However, I did nibble on 1/2 cup of mixed nuts at work this week, since that was the only way I could really up the fat.

I was thinking of investing in some protein shakes to get my fats up.

[BawdyWench]

Some people express problems with too much protein and not enough fat. I do not seem to ever have that problem.
Not sure, but there might be something to this. When I first started doing Atkins, my fat was up around 70-80%. Over the years (been doing this since around 1999), my fat went lower and protein higher. It probably evened out at around 50% fat, 40-45% protein, and the rest carbs.

Recently I had a slew of tests run, and my BUN reading was 25 (range is 5 - 20). I'm just wondering if going several years with my protein too high and fat too low could have caused this to rise. My blood pressure is also high in the past couple years (about 130/90). It used to be quite low, around 110/70.

I don't know what it all means, but something is out of whack. Or maybe it's the adrenals again.

The Women to Women Center is good in that it advocates low-carb eating. I was thrilled when I saw Atkins and Protein Power (along with NeanderThin and some others) on her bookshelf. But then she said they used to advocate these plans, but the carbs were too long in the long run. Now they recommend Schwarzbein and around 90 grams of carbs per day.

Then, just recently I went on their web site and looked at the article on "fad" diets. They categorized both Atkins and Protein Power as "high protein, low fat." Who could ever describe either plan, but especially Atkins, as low fat?

So the way I see it, maybe my problem has been too much protein and not enough fat. And yes, I do crave fat. Last night I made steaks -- Porterhouse for DH and two lovely filets for me. I put mine on the plate, and then dumped at least 2 tablespoons of my good Irish butter on the side. Yum.

[BawdyWench]

I just looked it up, and here's what it says about the BUN test:

Your BUN level may be higher than normal because:

Your kidneys aren't working well.
You have low levels of fluid in your body (you are dehydrated).
You've been eating a high-protein diet.
So this looks like I better lower the protein and up the fat. OK, so maybe I need to drink more water, too.

[Honeyrose]

Just wanted to pop in and wish everyone a good Sunday! :) I was going to go to church but since my wardrobe is limited due to my excess gain, I decided to wait till next week. I gained 30 lbs. after my hysterectomy. :help:
I am at the heaviest I've ever been and it seems everything I eat goes right to the gut! :lol:

Santabarb:
I know that Weight Watchers leaves me starving while eating processed food I don't believe in. Once the weight is off, it's back doublefold, triplefold. Other diets the same.
I tried Weight Watchers when I thought I could no longer stick to low carbing but found it very hard to count points, especially for butter, etc. I'm use to being able to eat all the fatty stuff and you're right Barb, I was still sooo hungry doing that. Now I'm not hungry at all, although I still crave sweets. My arch enemy!! :lol:

I still haven't figured out the percentages of fat/proteins but I know my fats are higher, so I guess that's good.

Bawdywench: I do drink lots of water. I try to drink around 80 to 96 oz. daily. It's much easier to drink at work, bc, my job is physical and I need the water. The weekends however, are more challenging bc, I'm not that big on water. I have to force myself to drink it, although I know it's good for you.

Good day everyone! :wave:

[JandLsMom]

WW was horrible, i was constantly hungry..its too low of fat with those points, i will never go back there. i could eat the same calories on atkins and not feel hungry all the time..the FAT does make the difference..it keeps you satisfied!

[santabarb]

Good to hear from you Jand and Honey. Thanks for your responses.

I went to a church supper where enchiladas, rice and beans were offered. I ate it, in moderate portions. They offered me portions to take home--I did not covet them a bit.

Upon driving home at about 2pm I felt like I'd really prefer to shut my eyes and take a nap, a feeling I've not had for a long, long time. I shook off the lethargy and kept driving, thankfully.

But of course you all know why it happened--a carb binge. It was a perfect teaching moment for me, because it showed me in a crystal clear manner that an excess of carbs slow me down terribly. Now I won't feel quite so deprived as I watch family members chow down on toasted bagels, etc. It's real--not just theory-- too much insulin drags us down. Meat does not put me to sleep--so now I really do know my metabolic type--it's not a carb type!

Has anything similar happened to the rest of you?

[sunrise02]

Hello Everyone! Hope you have all had a good weekend! I appears we are all of the same mindset/experience regarding WW! :agree: Obviously, it has worked for many--just not me!

Today:
B: poached eggs w/butter and coffee w/cream
S: Choc Bawdy Bites
L: pepperoni
S: pork rinds
D: chicken leg quarter & giblets roasted with rosemary/lemon pepper
Percentages: 69/28/03
Cals: 1660


I do love this WOE and 70/25/05 is wonderful. (I cannot seem to do STRICT M & E.) I am never hungry. I feel fine. My one and only complaint is this incessant tiredness!! I need someone to light a stick of dynamite under me! I have so much to do right now. In my mind, I want to do it. My body will just not cooperate. I do not understand it but I sure am tired of being tired! I wish I knew what to do to change it.

Have a great week! :wave:

[santabarb]

i sometimes feeling like i am eating too much! i will post my calories for the past 7 days..could someone tell me if this is the appropriate level for me??

1617 cals
1961 cals
2220 cals
1602 cals
2020 cals
1412 cals
1782 cals

As you can see it varies from day to day because i am really not counting calories only carbs..is it ok for my calories to vary so much? should i be trying to stick under a certain number? If you add these numbers and divide by 7...it averages to be 1800 cals per day!

Answer to your query:
I'm obviously not an expert. I can give you perhaps a small clue. My bio sensor scale informs me everyday how many calories it takes to keep my weight at 195 or so and the magic number is appoximately 2400 calories to maintain a weight of 195 lbs. Depending upon what your body is going through, your lowish range could be to your advantage or disadvantage.

Is your body hoarding calories because it expects another famine? Then your calories may be too low. If your body is sensing abundance and no threat, then the lower calorie range works to your advantage--you're taking in fewer calories than you need to maintain your metabolism, and you should lose.

I suspect it's better to keep your metabolism guessing how many calories it has to work with on a given day so it doesn't go into autopilot.

[santabarb]

My one and only complaint is this incessant tiredness!! I need someone to light a stick of dynamite under me! I have so much to do right now. In my mind, I want to do it. My body will just not cooperate. I do not understand it but I am sure tired of being tired! I wish I knew what to do to change it.

Sunrise,
I know Atkins was big on vitamin supplementation. He wrote a great book on it which I loaned to someone, so I don't remember the exact title right now. It is an excellent overview of the myriad functions of vitamins and minerals.

What kind are you taking? Bawdy and I are taking the ones from
Women to Women and I have no complaints. I feel energetic.

Sometimes the induction and very low carb doesn't supply what your body needs to keep working. What happens if you throw in some salad or spinach or tomatoes or onion? Have you tested your response?

[sunrise02]

Sunrise,
I know Atkins was big on vitamin supplementation. He wrote a great book on it which I loaned to someone, so I don't remember the exact title right now. It is an excellent overview of the myriad functions of vitamins and minerals.

What kind are you taking? Bawdy and I are taking the ones from
Women to Women and I have no complaints. I feel energetic.

Sometimes the induction and very low carb doesn't supply what your body needs to keep working. What happens if you throw in some salad or spinach or tomatoes or onion? Have you tested your response?


Thanks, Santabarb! I looked in the Dr. Atkins' Vita Nutrient Solution, (is that the one you were referring to?) For energy, he recommends:
B complex
CoQ 10
NADH (?)
Phenylamine
Octosanol
DMG (?)
L-carnitine
Vit B 12
PABA

I took a brief look at my supplements and I am getting most of these. But, maybe not in the quantities he suggests.

If you do not mind me asking, what is included in the supplements from Woman to Woman?

I have been doing LC just under three months. I did induction for about 1 month. Then, kept my carbs 25-30 for the next month. Checking Fitday,this month's average percentages are 71/25/03 with an average of 14 carbs.

So, I haven't really had much in the way of veggies/carbs for awhile.

I keep reading about the benefits of VCO as an energy helper due to the MCT and Lauric acid. I get at least 3 tbs a day but do not get the hyperactivity or energy rush so many describe!

I am not usually a complainer so I just keep plugging along. But--I am getting ~#$*(&^%$ frustrated!!!!!

I am determined to keep up this WOL but I will have to figure this out at some point!

Enough about me. I sure do appreciate your input and help.

Best to all!

S

[Honeyrose]

:lol: Santabarb quoted: Upon driving home at about 2pm I felt like I'd really prefer to shut my eyes and take a nap, a feeling I've not had for a long, long time. I shook off the lethargy and kept driving, thankfully.

But of course you all know why it happened--a carb binge. It was a perfect teaching moment for me, because it showed me in a crystal clear manner that an excess of carbs slow me down terribly. Now I won't feel quite so deprived as I watch family members chow down on toasted bagels, etc. It's real--not just theory-- too much insulin drags us down. Meat does not put me to sleep--so now I really do know my metabolic type--it's not a carb type!

Has anything similar happened to the rest of you?

You know you are sooo right! Before I decided to get serious and restart low carbing, I noticed in the mornings (especially the weekends) when I'd eat something really sweet like pastries, right afterwards I'd get really sleepy and need to nap. Even if I'd just gotten out of bed...and now I know it was the excess carbs! Thanks for pointing this out. :thup:

Since I've been keeping my carbs very low, I haven't been getting sleepy and my legs are no longer stiff. I can get out of a chair in a flash now as well as the car. When I'd get home from work, I'd get embarrased by the way I would be walking (like a 90 year old) and was hoping no one was noticing. Now I actually have a pep in my step!

[santabarb]

Thanks, Santabarb! I looked in the Dr. Atkins' Vita Nutrient Solution, (is that the one you were referring to?) For energy, he recommends:
B complex
CoQ 10
NADH (?)
Phenylamine
Octosanol
DMG (?)
L-carnitine
Vit B 12
PABA

I took a brief look at my supplements and I am getting most of these. But, maybe not in the quantities he suggests.

If you do not mind me asking, what is included in the supplements from Woman to Woman?

I keep reading about the benefits of VCO as an energy helper due to the MCT and Lauric acid. I get at least 3 tbs a day but do not get the hyperactivity or energy rush so many describe!


Yep, that's the book alright, Sunrise.

As far as the "Essential Nutrients" from Women to Women, a lot of the RDA percentages are very high-

Vitamin C 1,388%
Thiamin 4,467%
B6 1,650%
B12 1,117%
Pantothenic Acid 2,670%

I include these just as examples. Many are lower %. I counted 32 vitamins, minerals and necessary acids, including the marine lipid concentrate and omega-3.
These are supposed to be clinically proven for women. You can go to their website and take their little quiz. It's: www.womentowomen.com
It's not for poor people--but the quality really seems very good.

My energy went right up when I started them, and it really wasn't at the low level you describe, (but which I have lived in the past on Atkins).

As far as Virgin coconut oil, I know nothing of energy buzz, (but loose bowels yes). I just kind of hope it's helping the thyroid get to work.
:wave:

[sunrise02]

Yep, that's the book alright, Sunrise.

As far as the "Essential Nutrients" from Women to Women, a lot of the RDA percentages are very high-

Vitamin C 1,388%
Thiamin 4,467%
B6 1,650%
B12 1,117%
Pantothenic Acid 2,670%

I include these just as examples. Many are lower %. I counted 32 vitamins, minerals and necessary acids, including the marine lipid concentrate and omega-3.
These are supposed to be clinically proven for women. You can go to their website and take their little quiz. It's: www.womentowomen.com
It's not for poor people--but the quality really seems very good.

My energy went right up when I started them, and it really wasn't at the low level you describe, (but which I have lived in the past on Atkins).

As far as Virgin coconut oil, I know nothing of energy buzz, (but loose bowels yes). I just kind of hope it's helping the thyroid get to work.
:wave:

Wow--those are high percentages. Maybe I need to up my amounts. I just realized--I have been on the WTW website before. I'll go check it out.

Thanks again! S
PS --LOL--I haven't had THAT problem with the VCO but I'm hoping for good thyroid karma, too! :agree:

[BawdyWench]

Another thing about those horse pills from WtoW is that you have to take two of the multi-vitamins 3 times a day!!! That's a lot. They must be good for you, though, because I'm now sleeping through the night (most nights), I'm not as groggy during the day, and my nails have started improving dramatically.

But yes, they are VERY expensive.

[unitydkn]

Bawdy??? May I Join you??

[sunrise02]

Another thing about those horse pills from WtoW is that you have to take two of the multi-vitamins 3 times a day!!! That's a lot. They must be good for you, though, because I'm now sleeping through the night (most nights), I'm not as groggy during the day, and my nails have started improving dramatically.

But yes, they are VERY expensive.

Ok--I feel like an idiot but I am going to confess right here and now.

I have several months of pre-packaged 'custom vitamins' on my closet shelf. I just thought--" I'll use these other ones (drugstore) first."

How ridiculous! At $2-3 a day it is a little silly to be "storing" them, isn't it?!! :bash: They are certainly not helping me in the closet.

I will start taking them TODAY!

Thank you Santabarb and Bawdy for the kick in the -----!

BTW--I told my lil' sister about the WtoW clinic. That is so great you have that there! I think she is going to check it out. Thanks for the info.

S

[sunrise02]

ATTENTION:

TODAY, March 27, is Bawdy's Birthday!!

Happy Birthday Bawdy!! Hope you have a wonderful day and celebrate righteously!!

:wiggle: :Party: :bday: :Party: :bday: :Party: :bday: :hyper:

[santabarb]

I am worshipping from afar as I promised I would. ;)

Just don't get too bawdy on your birthday.

santabarbara :wave:

[BawdyWench]

Thanks for the birthday wishes. Gee, how did you know it was my birthday today?

:blush:

The day started off somewhat poorly. I take my dog to Day Care when DH is traveling. So this morning we get there, and she's really excited. I get out of the car, leave my door open, and open the back door for her to get out. The owner comes out of his house, and his old dog starts bounding toward us. Shelby (my dog) runs up to see the owner, and in the meantime, the other dog jumps into my car. Well, Shelby saw that and didn't like it and jumped in after her. Then it was a real treat to try to get both dogs out, as they kept jumping from the front to the back seat and back again. Finally I got both of them out, but not before Shelby piddles in my driver's seat! The joys of owning a dog!

Hi, Unity! I've seen you around Bear's post and was wondering if you'd find me here! Of course you're welcome here. Just remember that there are no rules here. We don't care if you eat veggies, we don't care if you eat nothing but T-bones and butter all day, every day. Oh, and we do enjoy our wine most evenings, too!

[BawdyWench]

My totals for the day:

Calories: 1,590
Fat: 131 grams (73%)
Protein: 86 grams (23%)
Carbs: 10 grams (3%) ... from an egg, some cream cheese, and a little in the coconut bar

Because my BUN reading was high, I decided to go back to the original Protein Power and figure out my minimum protein requirement again, and then stick to about that figure. It came out to 70 to 80 grams of protein per day. So, I calculated the calories in that and figured out I should be eating around 1600 calories, of which 80 grams are protein (20%) and 142 grams are fat (80%). Looks like I was pretty close today.

[ChicknLady]

Happy B-day Bawdy!!!! :Party: :Party: :Party: :bday:

I was finally under 2000 cals for the day, so I'll drink a glass or two to your good health!!!! I'm finally going strong with this new WOE, and have gotten back down to 141, and I'm on a roll.......................135 or bust!!!!!!!

BF: green tea with CO and cream
LUNCH: cold steak, 4 deviled eggs out of lunchbox
DINNER: monster burger with cheese, handful of cashews
LATER: W I N E

[Bobi-p]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, BAWDY!!!!:bhug:

[unitydkn]

I found you & I don't need anymore rules....
Bears thread is interesting but he is ssooo opionated that EVERONE else is wrong and discussion is not alowed..but we keep reading it...lol...and it is not like he is coming over here or elsewhere to bother people WE are going to HIS thread
I do think it should be in journals though

anyway I am back to eating right...I can't eat dairy with ANY carbs but yogart and it will take about 2 weeks before I can eat the amount of fat that I want and need.....I am eating as much as I can without gagging, and that amount increases each day...I weighed 186 this morning and will weigh myself on wed so any water wieght I get from wine on fri/sat will be gone..I like port and that is sweeter so I have got to limit how often I have some...I also would like to keep my protein at 100gr give or take..I know to you all this seams strange but 1 of my goals to to make sure I eat enough cals as I never seem to get enough...at least 1500..this should be easier now that dairy won't be making me sick all the time...vegi's and berries if I feel the NEED,but as much meat & eggs I can eat...we will see...

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happy birthday BW

my birthday was a week ago and it sucked

[unitydkn]

Hey, Loops, WELCOME! (luv that -- where did you get that?), my acne came when I went nuts with sugars and flours (cookies, cakes, etc. -- ya know the drill) and was cleared up in 2-3 weeks. Seriously.

I have a patch of eczema on the back of my head that is fighting every step of the way. But I'm hopeful. It seemed to improve when I cut much of the dairy. But I can't give up cream or occasional cheese.
.
have you ever tried goat milk soap for your eczema?? I have been told by LOTS off people that it works VERY well..also my 53 year old mother only uses this on her face and people always ask it she is my sister...and they say I look younger than I am...

Bawdy you might also try this for DH's psoriasis

for BW's dinner
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[BawdyWench]

LOVE lobster dripping with butter. HATE putting the poor things in the pot. There is a fish market locally that will cook them for you, and then you take them home. Doesn't even cost any more to have them do that. BUT, they won't open for at least another month or so.

This MAY be the summer Maine runs short of lobsters because I'll have eaten them all!

[jande2211]

have you ever tried goat milk soap for your eczema?? I have been told by LOTS off people that it works VERY well..also my 53 year old mother only uses this on her face and people always ask it she is my sister...and they say I look younger than I am...

Bawdy you might also try this for DH's psoriasis

for BW's dinner
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Didn't know there WAS goat's milk soap! So, think I'll get on down to the health food store and see what I can find. Thanks for telling me about this, Unitydkn! Can't wait to try! I will add too, that I've been "scritching" with a small fine toothed comb to get all the dead skin (sorry if TMI) and it's been helping alot to alleviate itching.


Happy Belated Birfday, BW.

[sunrise02]

LOVE lobster dripping with butter. HATE putting the poor things in the pot. There is a fish market locally that will cook them for you, and then you take them home. Doesn't even cost any more to have them do that. BUT, they won't open for at least another month or so.

This MAY be the summer Maine runs short of lobsters because I'll have eaten them all!


OMG Bawdy--If there is anything I crave (besidec choc and wine) it is LOBSTER! I just don't think about it when I put them in the pot! Plugra butter, a squeeze of lemon and I am set to go!! I do not want anything else with it! Just lobster!!

My friends on a hiker forum have been talking about it this last week and I can hardly stand it! What a wonderful food!

Unless I make it to Maine this summer, it will prob be a while before I have any again. They are 13.99-15.99/lb here! Ridiculous! Especially when I can eat 4 lobsters by myself!! yep! I am a Lobster Pig! :D

[BawdyWench]

Lobsters are typically around $6.99 here in the grocery store -- at least last time I noticed. I'll have to look tomorrow when I go grocery (read: MEAT) shopping.

The other day I bought a pound of regular ground beef (75%). I've always broiled them, but this time I fried them in coconut oil on low heat, and then added a good pat (or two) of butter and then a slice of cheese. Heavenly! I had a couple left over, so I took one to work. Even warmed up in the microwave, it was still somewhat rare in the middle and not dried out at all. This might become a staple.

I just posted a question in Bear's thread about how much protein to eat. He answered part of my question, and it seems he things I should not worry about how much protein I eat as long as I'm eating adequate fat (80/20). In fact, he thought I should be eating in exceess of 2000 calories. Said he ate around 5000 calories when doing strenuous ballet. Funny, I keep getting this visual of a burly guy in a tutu, and yet at 140 pounds, he can hardly be "burly"!

It's so scary to up the calories so high, isn't it? I've been trying to keep them down around 1200 to 1400 for so long, and feeling really guilty if I let them creep up to 1600 or (gasp!) 1800 or more!

Maybe (probably) Bear is right about all the social conditioning. Tough to rise above, though.