Dentists are Fluoride Misinformed

[Nyscof]

Dentists Are Fluoride Misinformed

New York - February 7 -- Fluoride-free bottled or tap water
does NOT contribute to tooth decay despite dentists
scientifically unverifiable cautions disseminated through the
media. Studies actually show the opposite. America's children
are fluoride-overdosed; it's ruining their teeth. Researchers
advise cutting back.

Besides, "according to the 1993-1994 California Oral Health
Needs Assessment, "water fluoridation status of the children's
area of residence did not have a significant effect on ECC
(early childhood caries)..." (14)

The Centers for Disease Control reports from 1/3 to 1/2 of
U.S. schoolchildren sport dental fluorosis1 - white-spotted,
discolored and/or sometimes pitted teeth, caused by fluoride
over-ingestion - whether their water is fluoridated or not.

The Academy of General Dentistry advises against fluoridated
water for infant formula or food preparation because many
studies show this ups children's fluorosis risk.2

The U.S. Surgeon General reports that excessive fluoride
increases susceptibility to cavities.3

To avoid crippling skeletal fluorosis, the Environmental
Protection Agency sets 4 parts per million (ppm) or 4
milligrams per quart of water as fluoride's maximum
contaminant level.4

The Iowa Fluoride Study's principal investigator, Steven Levy,
found that some babies exceed that level daily. Furthermore,
Levy found 90% of 3-month-olds consumed over their recommended
fluoride levels.5

Levy et al. report, "There is no specific nutritional
requirement for fluoride...given the increased prevalence of
fluorosis, it may be necessary to revise downwards the
adequate intake levels of fluoride."

Levy also found:

- 77% of soft drinks had fluoride levels greater
than 0.60 ppm

- two ounces of baby chicken food provides baby's
maximum dose

- foods high in fluoride - teas, dry infant cereals,
dried chicken, and seafood

- grape juice, especially white, contains very high
fluoride levels

- 42% of juice and juice drinks tested revealed unlabeled
fluoride levels greater than 0.60 ppm

- cereals processed in fluoridated areas contain from 3.8
to 6.3 ppm fluoride

The USDA provides a database of fluoride contents of food

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/Data/Fluoride/Flu-
oride.html


Reports that bottled-water drinkers risk more cavities are
unsubstantiated. The Wall Street Journal reported, "Little
research has been done on the use of bottled water and risk of
tooth decay, dental experts concede.6" UPI wrote: "(P)ublished
literature shows little cause for alarm.7" Australians
drinking fluoridated or non-fluoridated water have similar
cavity rates.8

"Fluoride ingestion, whether through tap or bottled water,
delivers health risks without benefits, says Paul Beeber,
President, New York State Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation..
"I urge Dentists to read the mounting scientific literature
indicating fluoride's harm and ineffectiveness and not remain
fluoride-misinformed."

Adequate daily intake of fluoride from all sources, according
to the Institute of Medicine, in order to avoid moderate
fluorosis9, which the ADA describes as "All tooth surfaces
affected; marked wear on biting surfaces; brown stain may be
present10:"

=B7 infants up to 6 months old - less than 0.01 mg =B7 babies
from 6 - 12 months - less than 0.5 mg =B7 children from 1 to 3
years old - less than 0.7 mg =B7 children from 4 to 8 years
old - less than 1 mg

In 2003 the Center for Science in the Public Interest
criticized the American Academy of Pediatric Dentistry (AAPD)
for "selling out" to the Coca-Cola company by accepting a $1
million grant from the company that produces cavity causing
beverages.11 On January 31, 2006, the AAPD helped Coca-Cola
launch their new product - fluoridated bottled water - in a
joint news release which says, "The awareness campaign
recognizes that children in the United States may not be
getting enough fluoride.12"

There is no evidence that US children do not get
"enough" fluoride.

After 60 years of water fluoridation reaching about 2/3 of
Americans on public water supplies and virtually 100% via the
food supply along with increased sales of fluoridated dental
products, tooth decay in America is still an epidemic, not
because of lack of fluoride; but possibly from a fluoride glut
and mostly from dentists unwilling or unable to treat
low-income people.

The U.S. General Accounting Office (GAO) reported that 80
percent of tooth decay is found in just 25 percent of the
children, most of whom are from low-income families. 13 The
U.S. Surgeon General reports that 80% of dentists refuse
Medicaid patients.

References:

1) Beltr=E1n-Aguilar et al. Surveillance for Dental Caries,
Dental Sealants, Tooth Retention, Edentulism and Enamel
Fluorosis - United States, 1988-1994 and 1999-2002. MMWR.
CDC August 26, 2005

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5403a1.htm

Tara Parker-Pope. Wall Street Journal. "Some Young Children
Get Too Much Fluoride," December 21, 1998
http://www.actionpa.org/fluoride/wsj.html

2) Monitor Infant's Fluoride Intake. News Release. Academy of
General Dentistry, Accessed January 31, 2005
http://www.agd.org/consumer/topics/baby/fluoride.asp
3) U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Oral Health
in America: A Report of the Surgeon General. Released in
2000; Page 203
4) Office of Water, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.
2004 Edition of the Drinking Water Standards and Health
Advisories. Washington DC. Winter 2004 http://www.epa.gov-
/waterscience/drinking/standards/dwstandards.pdf

5) "Current and future role of fluoride in nutrition," Warren
& Levy, Dental Clinics of North America 47(2003) http://w-
ww.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=3DRetrieve&db=3-
DPubMed&...

6) Betsy McKay. Bottled Water and Tooth Decay: Kids May
Not Be Getting Enough Fluoride. Wall Street Journal.
January 24, 2006

http://money.aol.com/wsj/investing/3canvas?id=3D2006012406-
5909990001

7) Joe Grossman. Bottled water not affecting tooth decay. UPI
Science News, May 30, 2002 http://www.upi.com/inc/view.ph-
p?StoryID=3D30052002-022918-7269r

8) Community Dentistry and Oral Epidemiology, August 2004
Consumption of nonpublic water: implications for
children's caries experience, by Armfield JM, Spencer AJ.
http://tinyurl.com/cetlf

9) Food and Nutrition Board, Institute of Medicine. Fluoride.
Dietary Reference Intakes: Calcium, Phosphorus, Magnesium,
Vitamin D, and Fluoride. Washington D.C.: National Academy
Press; 1997:288-313
http://darwin.nap.edu/books/0309063507/html/301.html

10) American Dental Association, Fluoridation Facts 2005 htt-
p://www.ada.org/public/topics/fluoride/facts/fluoridatio-
n_facts.pdf
11) http://www.cspinet.org/new/200303041.html

12) http://sev.prnewswire.com/health-care-hospitals

13) www.gao.gov/archive/2000/he00149.pdf

(14)http://www.nidcr.nih.gov/NewsAndReports/ReportsPresentati-
on/DirectorsReport= Council092003.htm

New York State Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation, Inc.
http://www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof

Fluoridation News Releases http://tinyurl.com/6kqtu

Fluoride News Tracker http://www.fluoridenews.blogspot.com/

Fluoride Action Network http://www.FluorideAction.Net

[R. Steve W]

nyscof wrote:
>
> Dentists Are Fluoride Misinformed
---------------------
Fluoride Nuts are insane and confabulate wildly, even to the
extent of falsifying and fraudulently presenting
information. Steve

[Carole]

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:440F2FB2.5336@armory.com...
> nyscof wrote:
> >
> > Dentists Are Fluoride Misinformed
> ---------------------
> Fluoride Nuts are insane and confabulate wildly, even to the
> extent of falsifying and fraudulently presenting
> information. Steve

But on the other hand, sodium fluoride did originate as a mind
control drug used in nazi germany to keep inmates docile and
easy to control.

And there are no actual studies that show its beneficial
effect on tooth decay.

Carole http://www.conspiracee.com

[Robert]

"Carole" <hubbca2003@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message news:4413-
70e0$0$23340$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
> "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
> news:440F2FB2.5336@armory.com...
> > nyscof wrote:
> > >
> > > Dentists Are Fluoride Misinformed
> > ---------------------
> > Fluoride Nuts are insane and confabulate wildly, even to
> > the extent of falsifying and fraudulently presenting
> > information. Steve
>
> But on the other hand, sodium fluoride did originate as a
> mind control
drug
> used in nazi germany to keep inmates docile and easy to
> control.
>
> And there are no actual studies that show its beneficial
> effect on tooth decay.
>
> Carole http://www.conspiracee.com
>
Your last sentence shows your total ignorance about
fluoridation. Hundreds of studies support it.

Robert

[nyscof]

Robert wrote:
>Hundreds > of studies support it.

Let's see them.

A groups of UK scientists from the University of York
looked at the fluoridation studies and found them
scientifcically invalid:

Here's another one that shows fluoride is ineffective:

http://iadr.confex.com/iadr/2006Orld/techprogram/abstract-
_73811.htm

0153 Dental caries and fluorosis in relation to water
fluoride levels

L. HONG1, S.M. LEVY2, J. WARREN2, and B. BROFFITT2,
1University of Missouri -Kansas City, USA, 2University of
Iowa, Iowa City, USA

Objectives: This study assessed the relationship between
dental caries and fluorosis at varying fluoride levels in
drinking water.

Methods: Subjects were followed from birth with questionnaires
every 3-4 months to gather information on fluoride intake. 420
study subjects received dental examinations at age 5 on
primary teeth and at age 9 on early-erupting permanent teeth.
Composite fluoride levels in drinking water at home and
childcare were determined from public, private well, and/or
bottled water sources at 24 months of age for individual
participants. Permanent tooth fluorosis cases were defined as
subjects having definitive/severe fluorosis on 2+ teeth.
Caries prevalence rates were calculated at age ~5 and ~9 on
primary teeth. The linear trends between fluorosis or caries
and fluoride levels in drinking water were assessed by
Cochran-Armitage tests.

Results: Fluorosis prevalence rates on early-erupting
permanent teeth were 21.0%, 41.1% and 46.3% for composite
water fluoride levels of <.7, 0.7-1.2, and >1.2 ppm (P<0.001).
Caries prevalence rates on all primary teeth at ~age 5 were
23.8%, 22.9%, and 24.4% for water levels of <0.7, 0.7-1.2, and
>1.2 ppm (p=0.970). Specifically on primary second molars, the
corresponding caries prevalence rates were 18.2%,
15.3%, and 17.0% at ~age 5 (p=0.631) and 37.1%, 34.3%, and
34.1% at ~age 9 (p=0.612), respectively. Similar
relationships were found between fluorosis/caries and water
fluoride levels at 12 months and 36 months.

Conclusions: Fluorosis prevalence increased significantly with
higher water fluoride levels; however, caries prevalence did
not decline significantly. Supported in part by R01-DE09551,
R01-DE12101, and M01-RR00059. (my emphasis, PC)

[Max C.]

I wouldn't be so bold as to say "hundreds." I've personally
seen more studies that disprove floridation than studies that
support it. This page is a good start with many references:

http://www.westonaprice.org/envtoxins/fluoride.html

and some excerpts from that page:

"Fluorine compounds or fluorides are listed by the US Agency
for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR) as among the
top 20 of 275 substances that pose the most significant threat
to human health.7"

"Fluorides are cumulative toxins. The fact that fluorides
accumulate in the body is the reason that US law requires the
Surgeon General to set a Maximum Contaminant Level (MCL) for
fluoride content in public water supplies as determined by the
EPA. This requirement is specifically aimed at avoiding a
condition known as Crippling Skeletal Fluorosis (CSF), a
disease thought to progress through three stages. The MCL,
designed to prevent only the third and crippling stage of this
disease, is set at 4ppm or 4mg per liter. It is assumed that
people will retain half of this amount (2mg), and therefore
4mg per liter is deemed "safe." Yet a daily dose of 2-8mg is
known to cause the third crippling stage of CSF.10,11"

"When other scientists investigated Dean's data, they did not
reach the same conclusions. In fact, Dean had engaged in
"selective use of data," using findings from 21 cities that
supported his case while completely disregarding data from 272
other locations that did not show a correlation.14 In court
cases Dean was forced to admit under oath that his data were
invalid.15 In 1957 he had to admit at AMA hearings that even
waters containing a mere 0.1ppm (0.1 mg/l) could cause dental
fluorosis, the first visible sign of fluoride overdose.16
Moreover, there is not one single double-blind study to
indicate that fluoridation is effective in reducing
cavities.17"

Max.

[R. Steve W]

nyscof@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Robert wrote:
> >Hundreds > of studies support it.
>
> Let's see them.
>
> A groups of UK scientists from the University of York looked
> at the fluoridation studies and found them scientifcically
> invalid:
>
> Here's another one that shows fluoride is ineffective:
-------------------
All you did was post intentionally distortive garbage on
LIE websites.

You whack-jobs are down to lying outright these days. Steve

[R. Steve W]

Max C. wrote:
>
> I wouldn't be so bold as to say "hundreds." I've personally
> seen more studies that disprove floridation than studies
> that support it. This page is a good start with many
> references:
>
> http://www.westonaprice.org/envtoxins/fluoride.html
---------------------
Another paranoid conspiracy site that LIES outright!! Steve

[David Wrig]

In article <441370e0$0$23340$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.i-
inet.net.au>, Carole <hubbca2003@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
>news:440F2FB2.5336@armory.com...
>> nyscof wrote:
>> >
>> > Dentists Are Fluoride Misinformed
>> ---------------------
>> Fluoride Nuts are insane and confabulate wildly, even to
>> the extent of falsifying and fraudulently presenting
>> information. Steve
>
>But on the other hand, sodium fluoride did originate as a
>mind control drug used in nazi germany to keep inmates docile
>and easy to control.
>
>And there are no actual studies that show its beneficial
>effect on tooth decay.

There are no actual studies to show that it actually keeps
people docile.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you
can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice
Roosevelt Longworth

[R. Steve W]

Carole wrote:
>
> "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
> news:440F2FB2.5336@armory.com...
> > nyscof wrote:
> > >
> > > Dentists Are Fluoride Misinformed
> > ---------------------
> > Fluoride Nuts are insane and confabulate wildly, even to
> > the extent of falsifying and fraudulently presenting
> > information. Steve
>
> But on the other hand, sodium fluoride did originate as a
> mind control drug used in nazi germany to keep inmates
> docile and easy to control.
---------------------------
More insane nonsense.

> And there are no actual studies that show its beneficial
> effect on tooth decay.
>
> Carole
------------------------------
You unbelievable shit-fucking liar! Steve

[Max C.]

> Another paranoid conspiracy site that LIES outright!!

2 words... "prove it."

[Max C.]

I would appear to me that he just runs around calling people
liars with no real scientific evidence of his own to present.
I've always dealt with people like that in 2 ways: 1 - ask
them to support their position with data (or as I said above,
"prove it.") 2 - if they can't do # 1, just ignore them. You
can killfile them or however you choose to ignore them.

There's only so much ignorance a person can tolerate. That's
exactly why so many in this group have chosen to start
ignoring Mr. Natural Health. He's just here to get jollies by
causing disharmony in the group with no real information to
give back. People like that aren't worthy of my time. My
guess is Steve is going to join Mr. Natural in my killfile
list very soon.

Max.

[Carole]

"Robert" <writer77@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Carole" <hubbca2003@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message news-
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> >
> > "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
> > news:440F2FB2.5336@armory.com...
> > > nyscof wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dentists Are Fluoride Misinformed
> > > ---------------------
> > > Fluoride Nuts are insane and confabulate wildly, even to
> > > the extent of falsifying and fraudulently presenting
> > > information. Steve
> >
> > But on the other hand, sodium fluoride did originate as a
> > mind control
> drug
> > used in nazi germany to keep inmates docile and easy to
> > control.
> >
> > And there are no actual studies that show its beneficial
> > effect on tooth decay.
> >
> > Carole http://www.conspiracee.com
> >
> Your last sentence shows your total ignorance about
> fluoridation. Hundreds of studies support it.
>
> Robert

I think you'll find that you are wrong Robert.

http://www.fluoridealert.org/

Did you know? flouride

* Almost all of western Europe has rejected water
fluoridation.

* Two-thirds of US communities, when given the chance to vote,
have voted against fluoridation. Over 70 US communities have
rejected water fluoridation since 1999.

* The fluoride chemical added to water is an unprocessed,
industrial waste-product from the pollution scrubbers of the
phosphate fertilizer industry.

* A growing body of evidence indicates that water fluoridation
is ineffective and unnecessary.

* Fluoride's primary 'benefits' are topical, not systemic.
Thus, there is no need to swallow fluoride.

* Children are receiving too much fluoride today. There is a
need to reduce, not increase, current exposures.

* Just as fluoride can damage cells in developing teeth,
fluoride can damage cells in other organs as well.

Carole http://www.cellsalts.net

[Carole]

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:44150811.1C41@armory.com...
> Carole wrote:
> >
> > "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
> > news:440F2FB2.5336@armory.com...
> > > nyscof wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dentists Are Fluoride Misinformed
> > > ---------------------
> > > Fluoride Nuts are insane and confabulate wildly, even to
> > > the extent of falsifying and fraudulently presenting
> > > information. Steve
> >
> > But on the other hand, sodium fluoride did originate as a
> > mind control
drug
> > used in nazi germany to keep inmates docile and easy to
> > control.
> ---------------------------
> More insane nonsense.
>
>
> > And there are no actual studies that show its beneficial
> > effect on tooth decay.
> >
> > Carole
> ------------------------------
> You unbelievable shit-fucking liar! Steve

ohhh, poor steve. Has to go into a demented rage when he hears
something that pops the bubble of his safe little world.

Do a bit of unbiased research steve. Find out why most of
europe is saying no to fluoride.

http://www.ummah.net.pk/dajjal/fluor1.html Fluoride is a very
strong poison that accumulates in our body. It is a stronger
poison than Lead and even Uranium. The Fluoride is not
efficient at all against dental cavities. Fluoride leads among
other things to reduced fertility. It affects the brain to
make us more docile, sheep like and even unwilling to resist
tyrants... It was used as a pacifier of prisoners in the Gulag
archipelago in Russia and in prisons in Nazi Germany.
Communists had containers with Fluoride in some areas around
the world ready to contaminate drinking water at command. It
is the only efficient part of the nerve gas Sarin and a very
efficient rat poison. Fluoride goes straight through a common
carbon water filter and all other kinds of water filters
except filters with reverse osmosis or distillers. We cannot
exclude synergistic effects with other toxins. Fluoride in
combination with Aluminum becomes extra toxic. Consumption of
Fluoride during a year or more means irreversible damage on
certain parts in our brain that regulates our willpower. Our
children must be given a chance to develop their full
potential by drinking as unpoisoned water as possible. There
are standing rewards since decades back totaling 220,000 US$
to anybody who can scientifically prove that Fluoride is safe.

According to one source there are more than 500 peer reviewed
studies documenting the adverse effects of Fluoride. There is
no safe level Compound 1080 contains Fluoride and is used
against coyotes is a tasteless, odorless, slow acting poison
for which there is no antidote. Classified as a "super toxic"
poison, it only takes 1/500 of an ounce to kill a 150 pound
human.200 mg will kill a small child. There are no double
blind studies anywhere proving the efficacy of Fluoride as a
caries preventative. 40,000 cases of cancer in 1981 alone has
been scientifically proven to be caused by Fluoride according
to one important article.. The same article says that almost
all of 150 symptoms that are connected with Hypothyroidism is
correlated to Fluoride poisoning. Especially chinchillas but
also hamsters, guinea pigs, mice, rats and rabbits etc. are
sterilized at a very low concentration. Lower than in typical
drinking water. Just a small amount (1/2 mg) decreases
reaction time

Carole http://www.cellsalts.net

[Peter Bowd]

"Carole" <hubbca2003@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>
>"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
>news:44150811.1C41@armory.com...
>> Carole wrote:
>> >
>> > "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
>> > news:440F2FB2.5336@armory.com...
>> > > nyscof wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Dentists Are Fluoride Misinformed
>> > > ---------------------
>> > > Fluoride Nuts are insane and confabulate wildly, even
>> > > to the extent of falsifying and fraudulently presenting
>> > > information. Steve
>> >
>> > But on the other hand, sodium fluoride did originate as a
>> > mind control
>drug
>> > used in nazi germany to keep inmates docile and easy to
>> > control.
>> ---------------------------
>> More insane nonsense.
>>
>>
>> > And there are no actual studies that show its beneficial
>> > effect on tooth decay.
>> >
>> > Carole
>> ------------------------------
>> You unbelievable shit-fucking liar! Steve
>
>ohhh, poor steve. Has to go into a demented rage when
>he hears something that pops the bubble of his safe
>little world.

Yes, he's a bit like that, Carole. He seems to disappear for a
while and then I suppose the keepers forget to lock the cage
one night and he gets out and gets to the computer.

For goodness sake, don't ask him about the age of consent.
--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project
http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against
Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics
http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only
at ratbags.com

[Carole]

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:44150881.2C38@armory.com...
> nyscof@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > Robert wrote:
> > >Hundreds > of studies support it.
> >
> > Let's see them.
> >
> > A groups of UK scientists from the University of York
> > looked at the fluoridation studies and found them
> > scientifcically invalid:
> >
> > Here's another one that shows fluoride is ineffective:
> -------------------
> All you did was post intentionally distortive garbage on LIE
> websites.
>
> You whack-jobs are down to lying outright these days. Steve

And what is your understanding of fluoride Steve? And why was
sodium fluoride used in nazi germany - to keep the inmates
teeth nice?

Carole http://www.cellsalts.net

[Cathyb]

Robert wrote:
> "Carole" <hubbca2003@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message news-
> :44196465$0$18562$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.n-
> et.au...
> >
> > "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
> > news:44150881.2C38@armory.com...
> > > nyscof@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Robert wrote:
> > > > >Hundreds > of studies support it.
> > > >
> > > > Let's see them.
> > > >
> > > > A groups of UK scientists from the University of York
> > > > looked at the fluoridation studies and found them
> > > > scientifcically invalid:
> > > >
> > > > Here's another one that shows fluoride is ineffective:
> > > -------------------
> > > All you did was post intentionally distortive garbage on
> > > LIE websites.
> > >
> > > You whack-jobs are down to lying outright these days.
> > > Steve
> >
> > And what is your understanding of fluoride Steve? And why
> > was sodium fluoride used in nazi germany - to keep the
> > inmates
> teeth
> > nice?
> >
> > Carole http://www.cellsalts.net
> >
> How do you explain the millions of people who have Fluoride
> in their water with no problems?
>
> Where do you get your wacko ideas?

Some of them from David Icke's site--she has said that his
theory that earth is being run by giant shape-shifting lizards
is "possible".

Cathy:)
>
> Robert

[Robert]

"Carole" <hubbca2003@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message news:4419-
6465$0$18562$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
> "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
> news:44150881.2C38@armory.com...
> > nyscof@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Robert wrote:
> > > >Hundreds > of studies support it.
> > >
> > > Let's see them.
> > >
> > > A groups of UK scientists from the University of York
> > > looked at the fluoridation studies and found them
> > > scientifcically invalid:
> > >
> > > Here's another one that shows fluoride is ineffective:
> > -------------------
> > All you did was post intentionally distortive garbage on
> > LIE websites.
> >
> > You whack-jobs are down to lying outright these
> > days. Steve
>
> And what is your understanding of fluoride Steve? And
> why was sodium fluoride used in nazi germany - to keep
> the inmates
teeth
> nice?
>
> Carole http://www.cellsalts.net
>
How do you explain the millions of people who have Fluoride in
their water with no problems?

Where do you get your wacko ideas?

Robert

[Jan Drew]

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>
> "Carole" <hubbca2003@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message news-
> :44196465$0$18562$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.n-
> et.au...
>>
>> "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
>> news:44150881.2C38@armory.com...
>> > nyscof@gmail.com wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Robert wrote:
>> > > >Hundreds > of studies support it.
>> > >
>> > > Let's see them.
>> > >
>> > > A groups of UK scientists from the University of York
>> > > looked at the fluoridation studies and found them
>> > > scientifcically invalid:
>> > >
>> > > Here's another one that shows fluoride is ineffective:
>> > -------------------
>> > All you did was post intentionally distortive garbage on
>> > LIE websites.
>> >
>> > You whack-jobs are down to lying outright these days.
>> > Steve
>>
>> And what is your understanding of fluoride Steve? And why
>> was sodium fluoride used in nazi germany - to keep the
>> inmates
> teeth
>> nice?
>>
>> Carole http://www.cellsalts.net
>>
> How do you explain the millions of people who have Fluoride
> in their water with no problems?
>
> Where do you get your wacko ideas?
>
> Robert

So typical for Robert.

http://www.fluoridation.com/
http://www.fluoridation.com/news.htm
http://www.fluoridealert.org/govt-statements.htm
http://www.fluoridation.com/colquh.htm
http://www.fluoridation.com/colquh.htmA LONG OVERDUE FLOURIDE
APOLOGY ---- International Fluoride Information Network.
BULLETIN # 18 Dec. 6,1999DR. HARDY LIMEBACK'S APOLOGYProminent
researcher apologizes for pushing fluorideby Barry ForbesThe
Tribune, Mesa, AZSunday, December 5, 1999"Reproduced With
Permission""Why'd you do it, Doc? Why'd you toss the fluoride
folks overboard?" I had just tracked down Dr. Hardy Limeback,
B.Sc., Ph.D inBiochemistry, D.D.S., head of the Department of
Preventive Dentistry for theUniversity of Toronto, and
president of the Canadian Association for DentalResearch.
(Whew.)Dr. Limeback is Canada's leading fluoride authority
and, until recently, thecountry's primary promoter of the
controversial additive.In a surprising newsmaker interview
this past April, Dr. Limeback announced adramatic change of
heart. "Children under three should never use
fluoridatedtoothpaste," he counseled. "Or drink fluoridated
water. And baby formula mustnever be made up using Toronto tap
water. Never."Why, I wondered? What could have caused such a
powerful paradigm shift? "It's been building up for a couple
of years," Limeback told me during a recenttelephone
interview. "But certainly the crowning blow was the
realization thatwe have been dumping contaminated fluoride
into water reservoirs for half acentury. The vast majority of
all fluoride additives come from Tampa Bay,Florida smokestack
scrubbers. The additives are a toxic byproduct of
thesuper-phosphate fertilizer industry.""Tragically," he
continued, "that means we're not just dumping toxic
fluorideinto our drinking water. We're also exposing innocent,
unsuspecting people todeadly elements of lead, arsenic and
radium, all of them carcinogenic. Becauseof the cumulative
properties of toxins, the detrimental effects on human
healthare catastrophic."A recent study at the University of
Toronto confirmed Dr. Limeback's worstfears. "Residents of
cities that fluoridate have double the fluoride in theirhip
bones vis-a-vis the balance of the population. Worse, we
discovered thatfluoride is actually altering the basic
architecture of human bones." Skeletal fluorosis is a
debilitating condition that occurs when fluorideaccumulates in
bones, making them extremely weak and brittle. The
earliestsymptoms?"Mottled and brittle teeth," Dr. Limeback
told me. "In Canada we are nowspending more money treating
dental fluorosis than we do treating cavities.That includes my
own practice."One of the most obvious living experiments
today, Dr. Limeback believes, is aproof-positive comparison
between any two Canadian cities. "Here in Torontowe've been
fluoridating for 36 years. Yet Vancouver - which has
neverfluoridated - has a cavity rate lower than Toronto's."
And, he pointed out,cavity rates are low all across the
industrialized world - including Europe,which is 98% fluoride
free. Low because ofimproved standards of living, less refined
sugar, regular dental checkups,flossing and frequent brushing.
Now less than 2 cavities per childCanada-wide, he said. "I
don't get it, Doc. Last month, the Centers forDisease Control
(CDC) ran a puff piece all across America saying the stuff
wasbetter than sliced bread. What's the story?"
"Unfortunately," he replied, "the CDC is basing its position
on data that is 50years old, and questionable at best.
Absolutely no one has done research onfluorosilicates, which
is the junk they're dumping into the drinking water." "On the
other hand," he added, "the evidence against systemic fluoride
in-takecontinues to pour in.""But Doc, the dentists.""I have
absolutely no training in toxicity," he stated firmly.
"Yourwell-intentioned dentist is simply following 50 years of
misinformation frompublic health and the dental association.
Me, too. Unfortunately, we werewrong." Last week, Dr. Hardy
Limeback addressed his faculty and students at theUniversity
of Toronto, Department of Dentistry. In a poignant,
memorablemeeting, he apologized to those gathered before him.

[Cathyb]

Carole wrote:
> "cathyb" <cathybeesley@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message ne-
> ws:1142561572.497647.93750@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> >
>
>
> > > > > > A groups of UK scientists from the University of
> > > > > > York looked at
> the
> > > > > > fluoridation studies and found them
> > > > > > scientifcically invalid:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here's another one that shows fluoride is
> > > > > > ineffective:
> > > > > -------------------
> > > > > All you did was post intentionally distortive
> > > > > garbage on LIE
> websites.
> > > > >
> > > > > You whack-jobs are down to lying outright these
> > > > > days. Steve
> > > >
> > > > And what is your understanding of fluoride Steve? And
> > > > why was sodium fluoride used in nazi germany - to keep
> > > > the inmates
> > > teeth
> > > > nice?
> > > >
> > > > Carole http://www.cellsalts.net
> > > >
> > > How do you explain the millions of people who have
> > > Fluoride in their
> water
> > > with no problems?
> > >
> > > Where do you get your wacko ideas?
> >
> > Some of them from David Icke's site--she has said that his
> > theory that earth is being run by giant shape-shifting
> > lizards is "possible".
>
> Possible but highly unlikely. But on the other hand, it is
> highly likely that you are brain dead.

Gosh, Carole, don't you ever tire of making a fool of
yourself? A halfwit who thinks she takes organic sodium
chloride and that the earth being run by giant shape-shifting
lizards is "possible" calling anyone else brain dead is always
going to be laughable.

But entertaining:)

>
> Carole http://www.conspiracee.com

[Carole]

"Max C." <maxc246@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1142518329.707842.312980@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> I would appear to me that he just runs around calling people
> liars with no real scientific evidence of his own to
> present. I've always dealt with people like that in 2 ways:
> 1 - ask them to support their position with data (or as I
> said above, "prove it.") 2 - if they can't do # 1, just
> ignore them. You can killfile them or however you choose to
> ignore them.
>
> There's only so much ignorance a person can tolerate. That's
> exactly why so many in this group have chosen to start
> ignoring Mr. Natural Health. He's just here to get jollies
> by causing disharmony in the group with no real information
> to give back. People like that aren't worthy of my time. My
> guess is Steve is going to join Mr. Natural in my killfile
> list very soon.
>
> Max.

There's nothing wrong with mr natural health that a few
cellsalts wouldn't cure. Mental disease is often organic. It
says a lot that his teeth packed it in. I'd say the guy is
seriously calcium deficient for starters ...and calcium
deficiency causes lots of mental problems, not just physical
and bones. Calcium deficiency affects mental problems like
anxiety and depression.

Carole http://www.cellsalts.net

[Carole]

"Robert" <writer77@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Svadne5XBb_nhYfZnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> "Carole" <hubbca2003@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message news-
> :44196465$0$18562$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.n-
> et.au...
> >
> > "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
> > news:44150881.2C38@armory.com...
> > > nyscof@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Robert wrote:
> > > > >Hundreds > of studies support it.
> > > >
> > > > Let's see them.
> > > >
> > > > A groups of UK scientists from the University of York
> > > > looked at the fluoridation studies and found them
> > > > scientifcically invalid:
> > > >
> > > > Here's another one that shows fluoride is ineffective:
> > > -------------------
> > > All you did was post intentionally distortive garbage on
> > > LIE websites.
> > >
> > > You whack-jobs are down to lying outright these days.
> > > Steve
> >
> > And what is your understanding of fluoride Steve? And why
> > was sodium fluoride used in nazi germany - to keep the
> > inmates
> teeth
> > nice?
> >
> > Carole http://www.cellsalts.net
> >
> How do you explain the millions of people who have Fluoride
> in their water with no problems?

But there might be problems.

Maybe the fluoride is causing people to become calcium
deficient. I have read that the antidote for sodium fluoride
poisoning is calcium, so if they keep putting it in the water,
it will leach calcium out of people's bodies. Calcium
deficiency is one of the biggest health hazzards - they say 1
in 2 women and 1 in 3-8 men have some sort of problem with
osteoporosis in later years. And there are more difficulties
for the person than bone density problems. Calcium deficiency
effects every part of a person's wellbeing including
depression and anxiety disorders.

I remember when I was about 27 that I knew there was something
wrong with me but couldn't work out what. Eventually when I
got onto calcium supplements, I worked out that it was the
main problem affecting not only my physical wellbeing but also
psychological and mental wellbeing.

So bite your bum Robert and get a brain for once in your
miserable life. Why do you think you have ms.

Go to www.doctoryourself.com and have a read about ms.

>
> Where do you get your wacko ideas?

I know where you get yours - fed to you by the propaganda
network compliments of pharmaceutial cartel and *the gang*.

Carole http://www.cellsalts.net

[Carole]

"cathyb" <cathybeesley@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:1142561572.497647.93750@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>

> > > > > A groups of UK scientists from the University of
> > > > > York looked at
the
> > > > > fluoridation studies and found them scientifcically
> > > > > invalid:
> > > > >
> > > > > Here's another one that shows fluoride is
> > > > > ineffective:
> > > > -------------------
> > > > All you did was post intentionally distortive garbage
> > > > on LIE
websites.
> > > >
> > > > You whack-jobs are down to lying outright these days.
> > > > Steve
> > >
> > > And what is your understanding of fluoride Steve? And
> > > why was sodium fluoride used in nazi germany - to keep
> > > the inmates
> > teeth
> > > nice?
> > >
> > > Carole http://www.cellsalts.net
> > >
> > How do you explain the millions of people who have
> > Fluoride in their
water
> > with no problems?
> >
> > Where do you get your wacko ideas?
>
> Some of them from David Icke's site--she has said that his
> theory that earth is being run by giant shape-shifting
> lizards is "possible".

Possible but highly unlikely. But on the other hand, it is
highly likely that you are brain dead.

Carole http://www.conspiracee.com

[Cathyb]

Carole wrote:
> "cathyb" <cathybeesley@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message ne-
> ws:1142766999.659055.246310@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >
>
>
> > > Possible but highly unlikely. But on the other hand, it
> > > is highly likely that you are brain dead.
> >
> > Gosh, Carole, don't you ever tire of making a fool of
> > yourself? A halfwit who thinks she takes organic sodium
> > chloride and that the earth being run by giant
> > shape-shifting lizards is "possible" calling anyone else
> > brain dead is always going to be laughable.
>
> But Cathy, you told me that it was true. Are you saying
> now that you don't believe it? Are you trying to make a
> fool of me?

You do that to yourself, Carole.

1. I have never said that sodium chloride is organic;.

2. I have never said that the earth is run by giant
shape-shifting lizards.

WTF are you talking about?

>
> Carole http://www.conspiracee.com
>
>

[Carole]

"cathyb" <cathybeesley@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:1142766999.659055.246310@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>

> > Possible but highly unlikely. But on the other hand, it is
> > highly likely that you are brain dead.
>
> Gosh, Carole, don't you ever tire of making a fool of
> yourself? A halfwit who thinks she takes organic sodium
> chloride and that the earth being run by giant
> shape-shifting lizards is "possible" calling anyone else
> brain dead is always going to be laughable.

But Cathy, you told me that it was true. Are you saying
now that you don't believe it? Are you trying to make a
fool of me?

Carole http://www.conspiracee.com

[David Wrig]

In article <441d3e10$0$23174$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.i-
inet.net.au>, Carole <hubbca2003@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>"Max C." <maxc246@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:114251832-
>9.707842.312980@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>> I would appear to me that he just runs around calling
>> people liars with no real scientific evidence of his own to
>> present. I've always dealt with people like that in 2 ways:
>> 1 - ask them to support their position with data (or as I
>> said above, "prove it.") 2 - if they can't do # 1, just
>> ignore them. You can killfile them or however you choose to
>> ignore them.
>>
>> There's only so much ignorance a person can tolerate.
>> That's exactly why so many in this group have chosen to
>> start ignoring Mr. Natural Health. He's just here to get
>> jollies by causing disharmony in the group with no real
>> information to give back. People like that aren't worthy of
>> my time. My guess is Steve is going to join Mr. Natural in
>> my killfile list very soon.
>>
>> Max.
>
>There's nothing wrong with mr natural health that a few
>cellsalts wouldn't cure.

Really? They'll make him regrow all his teeth?

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you
can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice
Roosevelt Longworth