natives and diabetes -Compare your Grandparents diet with the food we eat today.

[Tc]

http://www.quesnel-friendship.org/html/diabetes/healthy.htm

Can you guys see the contradictions on this page? What was not
in the traditional diets and is being recommended now, up
front and centre?

TC

[Rob]

TC wrote:
> http://www.quesnel-friendship.org/html/diabetes/healthy.htm
>
> Can you guys see the contradictions on this page? What was
> not in the traditional diets and is being recommended now,
> up front and centre?
>
> TC

All this time I thought things like bread and dairy foods were
European in origin.

p.s. What? No soy products? LOL.

Rob

[Montygram]

On that page they say that excess weight puts one at higher
risk for diabetes. This is totally contextual. Type II
diabetes occurs when signalling is disrupted by stressors,
ususally oxidative stress in the body of someone with
arachidonic acid in their cells. Omega 6 PUFAs will put weight
on you, due to thyroid suppression (and hence metabolic
suppression). Search for the "Amish diet" and you'll see that
these people, who eat plenty of "saturated fat," have very low
rates of "chronic disease." Avoid highly unsaturated fat
sources (and that includes the lard you could buy at your
local store, which is less than 40% saturated), as well as
cooking food containing cholesterol while exposed to air
(boiling eggs is okay). You can also eat some berries, dark
chocolate, and other food that contains antioxidants (but
beware of vegetables, especially the leafy greens). Avoid
seeds, nuts, legumes, and whole grains. A little bread is
okay, but make sure it is not made with fat - French baguette
is fine. Dairy is fine, but make sure it is whole milk, not
homogenized, and contains no additives (carrageenan is
esepcially bad).

[Enrico C]

On 6 Mar 2006 23:56:19 -0800, montygram wrote in
<news:1141718179.274037.142340@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
on sci.med.nutrition :

> On that page they say that excess weight puts one at higher
> risk for diabetes.

That's what a lot of studies say.

> This is totally contextual.

That's what I happened to wonder about. Any evidence?

> Type II diabetes occurs when signalling is disrupted by
> stressors, ususally oxidative stress in the body of someone
> with arachidonic acid in their cells. Omega 6 PUFAs will put
> weight on you, due to thyroid suppression (and hence
> metabolic suppression). Search for the "Amish diet" and
> you'll see that these people, who eat plenty of "saturated
> fat," have very low rates of "chronic disease."

Hasn't their lifestyle anything to do with that?

I gather that the Amish don't own automobiles and do not use
electricity in their homes.

> Avoid highly unsaturated fat sources (and that includes the
> lard you could buy at your local store, which is less than
> 40% saturated),

I guess many avoid lard for the very opposite reason! :)

> as well as cooking food containing cholesterol while exposed
> to air (boiling eggs is okay).

What about poached eggs?

> You can also eat some berries, dark chocolate, and other
> food that contains antioxidants

Ok.

> (but beware of vegetables, especially the leafy greens).
> Avoid seeds, nuts, legumes, and whole grains.

Why avoid all those fine foods?

> A little bread is okay, but make sure it is not made with
> fat - French baguette is fine. Dairy is fine, but make sure
> it is whole milk, not homogenized, and contains no additives
> (carrageenan is esepcially bad).