Vitamin E's evil twin

[Nancy LC]

Interesting article about how some forms of vitamin are not-so-good for you.

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/vite.htm

In laboratory experiments, the kind of vitamin E found in corn and soybean oil, gamma-tocopherol, ultimately destroyed animal cells. But the other form of vitamin E, alpha-tocopherol, did not. (Tocopherol is the scientific name for vitamin E.)

“In the United States we tend to eat a diet rich in corn and soybean oil, so we consume much greater amounts of gamma-tocopherol than alpha-tocopherol,” Cornwell said. “But most of the vitamin E coursing through out veins is alpha-tocopherol – the body selects for this version. We want to know why that is, and whether the selection of the alpha-tocopherol confers an evolutionary benefit in animal cells.”

[Whoa182]

Hmmm, Gamma-tocopherol is in the supplement i take:Essential Mix (http://www.aor.ca/products/essential_mix.php)

Vitamin E Complex .......................................... 100 mg *
Tocopherols: .................................................. 90 mg
alpha-tocopherol ........................................... 15 mg 22 IU 186%
beta-tocopherol ........................................... 1.5 mg *
gamma-tocopherol ......................................... 52 mg *
delta-tocopherol ........................................... 22 mg *
Tocotrienols: .................................................. 10 mg
alpha-tocotrienol ............................................ 3 mg *
beta-tocotrienol ........................................... 0.1 mg *
gamma-tocotrienol .......................................... 6 mg *
delta-tocotrienol .......................................... 1.3 mg *

ermm, thanks for the info! going to take more of a look into this

[Nancy LC]

I think the Gamma one is cheaper to make. Hmmm... they didn't even mention beta-tocopherol.

[kebaldwin]

That proves that plants kill !!!

Everyone should stop eating all plants immediately.

I need to to start a new club -- the PETP (People for the Ethical Treatment of Plants).

http://www.vitacost.com/articleResults.aspx?Ntt=vitamin+e&Ntk=articles&ss=1

http://www.worldhealth.net/p/aadr-vitamin-e-tocopherol.html

http://www.supplementwatch.com/suplib/supplement.asp?DocId=1100

[Zuleikaa]

The body knows the difference between vitamins from natural, unprocessed sources and those manufactured from plant sterols, i.e. chemically changed. That's why some of the limits on some essential vitamins such as A, D & E are so low.

Tests, for the most part are with manmade vitamins because they can better control the strength and purity. However man-made vitamins are toxic to the body in relatively low amounts. And further they don't give the benefits that natural source vitamins do.

[Bat Spit]

Everyone should stop eating all plants immediately.

Kbaldwin, you need to stop by the paleo forum. There's a 17 page thread on that very topic!

[kebaldwin]

Kbaldwin, you need to stop by the paleo forum. There's a 17 page thread on that very topic!

Well, I was kidding - even though I do eat very little plants. I believe in the "type diets" where some of us (including me) do best on almost all animals whereas some of us would do better on more plants (as in the average woman).

I don't think vegetarian diets are good -- because how would you get enough fat, protein, and amino acids?

[Whoa182]

I don't think vegetarian diets are good -- because how would you get enough fat, protein, and amino acids?[/QUOTE]

for fat they can use: Flax Oil, Olive Oil, Nuts, seeds...

Protein: http://veggietable.allinfo-about.com/articles/protein.html

plus, don't vegetarians live longer than the average person ... cant be that bad!

[kebaldwin]

I don't think vegetarian diets are good -- because how would you get enough fat, protein, and amino acids?

for fat they can use: Flax Oil, Olive Oil, Nuts, seeds...

Protein: http://veggietable.allinfo-about.com/articles/protein.html

plus, don't vegetarians live longer than the average person ... cant be that bad![/QUOTE]

What are the long term effects of men only getting flax oil, olive oil, etc? Can't be good.

Vegetarians do not live longer -- suffering from stroke, heart attack, cancer -- which according to reports is dangerously unhealthy.

http://www.interlog.com/~john13/srom.htm

[Whoa182]

What are the long term effects of men only getting flax oil, olive oil, etc? Can't be good.

The long term effects are great. I get my fats from the above and other people that are not vegetarians following CR also do and apparently we have extremely low risk of heart disease, strokes and cancer; heres a long term study for you Article (http://beta2.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-01/wuso-cra011206.php)
Enjoy!


Vegetarians do not live longer -- suffering from stroke, heart attack, cancer -- which according to reports is dangerously unhealthy.

Apparently "Lifelong vegetarians visit hospital 22 per cent less often than meat-eaters" :thup:

also

"Vegetarians overall suffer 20 per cent less premature mortality from all causes, compared with their meat-eating counterparts."

I have to look at those states more though to see if they are correct, im tired and need some sleep! LoL


I don't even know why im defending vegetarianism =/ but who the hell said getting your fats primarily from olive oil, flax oil and nuts were unhealthy longterm? where you get that information :lol:

[Nancy LC]

I'd really like to see research that wasn't affliated with a provegetarian web site that shows vegetarians live longer.

I really doubt any good studies have been done that could actually attribute the health gains to lack of meat matter. Probably more likely is you compare a group of health conscious, diet disciplined vegetarians with people eat the standard Trash Diet and you're going to get favorable results. That I wouldn't disagree with one whit. But... put the same vegetarians against a bunch of people who also have dietary discipline but low carb and I bet you'd see something else entirely.

[Whoa182]

it was from the bbc website, from their own research I guess. I havent really looked into it so i don't know.

but If you compare them to low carbers then I suppose things would be different. i agree.

[Frederick]

plus, don't vegetarians live longer than the average person ... cant be that bad!

"Within the studies, mortality for major causes of death was not significantly different between vegetarians and nonvegetarians, but the nonsignificant reduction in mortality from ischemic heart disease among vegetarians was compatible with the significant reduction previously reported in a pooled analysis of mortality in Western vegetarians."

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/78/3/533S?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid=1090913113842_362&stored_search=&FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&volume=78&firstpage=533s&resourcetype=1&journalcode=ajcn

and

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/70/3/516S?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid=1090918347833_1261&stored_search=&FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&volume=70&firstpage=516s&resourcetype=1&journalcode=ajcn

[Whoa182]

Thanks for the links frederick

[kebaldwin]

Why don't we simply compare the health of americans for the last 20 years (n = about 300 million). Back in the 1970s and 1980s they did the whole "meat and animals bad" - "plants and vegetarian good". There was a significant shift from eating meat and eggs to more vegetarian diet. Hence the plunging prices in the beef industry.

How did that go?

Heart problems soared. Stroke soared. Diabetes soared. Mental disease soared. Cancer soared. Prescription drug and over the counter use soared. Total health care costs is soaring out of sight.

Are you trying to tell me that since people cut down on animal consumption -- that the health of americans has improved in the last 20 years????

I thought that this debate was so obvious -- it was long dead.

Try to convince the millions of people that have switched to a more animal based diet that the health benefits they have realized are all "placebo effect".

Blood and urine tests do not lie. Bad cholesterol goes down. Good cholesterol goes up. Inflammation goes down. Triglycerides go down. Bad proteins go down. Hormones stabilize and good hormones rebuild themselves.

I am burning fat and building muscle like crazy while eating more than I should!

Attention deficiet gone. Sleep disorders gone. Blood pressure normal for the first time in my life.

All by simply eating more animal based protein and amino acids.

[Josiemk]

I believe in the "type diets" where some of us (including me) do best on almost all animals whereas some of us would do better on more plants (as in the average woman).


After reading "Eat Right for Your blood type" Being that I'm a type "O" I stopped taking E vitamins.


I don't know if there's any truth to that book but I know that I do much better on high protein diet then I do high carb.

I know some vegatarians & few of them are very healthy & then I know some who got fat doing that diet.