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Roman Byst
Fri, Jan-20-06, 17:16
"Oily fish makes 'babies brainier'", BBC News, January 20,
2006, Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4631006.stm

Eating oily fish and seeds in pregnancy can boost children's
future brain power and social skills, research suggests.

A study of 9,000 mothers and children suggested those who
consumed less of the essential fatty acid Omega-3 had children
with lower IQs.

These children also had poorer motor skills and hand-to-eye
co-ordination, research in the Economist said.

A team from the National Institutes of Health in the US
analysed data from a long-term study done in Avon, UK.

'Frightening data'

Looking at the effects of Omega-3 intake on 9,000 mothers and
their children, the team found mothers with the lowest intake
of the essential fatty acid had children with a verbal IQ six
points lower than the average.

While those with the highest consumption of mackerel and
sardines and other sources of Omega-3 had children, at age
three-and-a-half, with the best measures of fine-motor
performance, researchers said.

Low intake of the crucial fatty acid also appeared to lead to
higher levels of social interactions - such as an inability to
make friends.

Research leader Dr Joseph Hibbeln said "frightening data"
showed 14% of 17-year-olds whose mother had eaten small
quantities of Omega -3 during pregnancy demonstrated this sort
of behaviour.

This compared with 8% of those born to the group with the
highest intake, he said.

Dr Hibbeln said: "The findings of poor social development and
poor motor control in children indicate that these children
may be on a developmental trajectory towards lifelong
disruptive and poorly-socialised behaviour as they grow up."

Professor Jean Golding of Bristol University set up the
original research - the Avon Longitudinal Study of Parents
and Children -15 years ago to look at the predisposition
to disease.

She told the BBC: "The baby's brain needs Omega-3 fatty acids.
It doesn't create its own fatty acids so it needs to be
something that the mother will eat."

The new research also builds on earlier work in the US which
suggests pregnant mothers will develop children with better
language and communication skills if they regularly consume
oily fish.

Nutritional expert Patrick Holford, director of the Brain Bio
Centre, said Omega-3 was key to children's intelligence
because the brain is formed of 60% fat - 30% of which is
essential fats.

Successive studies have shown clear links between intelligence
and consumption of this essential fatty acid, he added.

Seed option

"It's absolutely essential that pregnant women take in
enough Omega-3 and that children in early infancy take in
enough Omega-3."

The richest sources of Omega-3 are larger fish which eat other
fish, but research shows that the larger the fish the more
pollutants, such as mercury, they contain.

For this reason Mr Holford recommends women consume two
portions of wild or organic salmon, trout or sardines weekly.

The Food Standards Agency says pregnant women should consume
only one or two portions of oily fish a week.

Seeds such as flax, pumpkin and hemp are good sources of
Omega-3 for vegetarians, but large quantities need to be
consumed to gain the same effect.

This might translate to two tablespoons of seeds daily, Mr
Holford said, but women can also use a high quality Omega-3
fish oil supplement.

Tc
Fri, Jan-20-06, 17:16
It is not just the omega-3, it is all the rest of the great
nutrition that comes from fresh fish. Like vitamins A and E
and complete proteins. There is no way that this kind of thing
can be attributed to only one simple singular component of a
diet or of a given complex food item. It is the combined sum
of all components of what is a fresh good whole food like
fish. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts

And that is what is wrong with the mainstream and how they
look at nutrition and health. They fixate on only a small
aspect of the whole thing and they miss the forest for the
trees. They are too stupid to consider multiple aspects at
once. It s not the individual components that make the diet
strong, it is the sum total of its parts IN COMBINATION.

The singular component bullshit is an extension of the
bullshit concept that one singular unique molecular
entity will be the savior of our sick and the resulting
pharmaceutical pills will be the answer that will make
us healthy.

TC

Roman Bystrianyk wrote:
> "Oily fish makes 'babies brainier'", BBC News, January 20,
> 2006, Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4631006.stm
>
> Eating oily fish and seeds in pregnancy can boost children's
> future brain power and social skills, research suggests.
>
> A study of 9,000 mothers and children suggested those who
> consumed less of the essential fatty acid Omega-3 had
> children with lower IQs.
>
> These children also had poorer motor skills and hand-to-eye
> co-ordination, research in the Economist said.
>
> A team from the National Institutes of Health in the US
> analysed data from a long-term study done in Avon, UK.
>
> 'Frightening data'
>
> Looking at the effects of Omega-3 intake on 9,000 mothers
> and their children, the team found mothers with the lowest
> intake of the essential fatty acid had children with a
> verbal IQ six points lower than the average.
>
> While those with the highest consumption of mackerel and
> sardines and other sources of Omega-3 had children, at age
> three-and-a-half, with the best measures of fine-motor
> performance, researchers said.
>
> Low intake of the crucial fatty acid also appeared to lead
> to higher levels of social interactions - such as an
> inability to make friends.
>
> Research leader Dr Joseph Hibbeln said "frightening data"
> showed 14% of 17-year-olds whose mother had eaten small
> quantities of Omega -3 during pregnancy demonstrated this
> sort of behaviour.
>
> This compared with 8% of those born to the group with the
> highest intake, he said.
>
> Dr Hibbeln said: "The findings of poor social development
> and poor motor control in children indicate that these
> children may be on a developmental trajectory towards
> lifelong disruptive and poorly-socialised behaviour as they
> grow up."
>
> Professor Jean Golding of Bristol University set up the
> original research - the Avon Longitudinal Study of Parents
> and Children -15 years ago to look at the predisposition to
> disease.
>
> She told the BBC: "The baby's brain needs Omega-3 fatty
> acids. It doesn't create its own fatty acids so it needs to
> be something that the mother will eat."
>
> The new research also builds on earlier work in the US which
> suggests pregnant mothers will develop children with better
> language and communication skills if they regularly consume
> oily fish.
>
> Nutritional expert Patrick Holford, director of the Brain
> Bio Centre, said Omega-3 was key to children's intelligence
> because the brain is formed of 60% fat - 30% of which is
> essential fats.
>
> Successive studies have shown clear links between
> intelligence and consumption of this essential fatty acid,
> he added.
>
> Seed option
>
> "It's absolutely essential that pregnant women take in
> enough Omega-3 and that children in early infancy take in
> enough Omega-3."
>
> The richest sources of Omega-3 are larger fish which eat
> other fish, but research shows that the larger the fish the
> more pollutants, such as mercury, they contain.
>
> For this reason Mr Holford recommends women consume
> two portions of wild or organic salmon, trout or
> sardines weekly.
>
> The Food Standards Agency says pregnant women should consume
> only one or two portions of oily fish a week.
>
> Seeds such as flax, pumpkin and hemp are good sources of
> Omega-3 for vegetarians, but large quantities need to be
> consumed to gain the same effect.
>
> This might translate to two tablespoons of seeds daily, Mr
> Holford said, but women can also use a high quality Omega-3
> fish oil supplement.

Tc
Fri, Jan-20-06, 17:16
Matti Narkia wrote:
> 20 Jan 2006 06:50:22 -0800 in article
> <1137768622.421100.105020@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> "TC"
> <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >It is not just the omega-3, it is all the rest of the great
> >nutrition that comes from fresh fish. Like vitamins A and E
> >and complete proteins.
>
> And taurine (especially in small fish eaten as whole),
> calcium (in small fish such as sardines eaten with bones),
> phosphatidylserine (especially in mackerel and herring),
> trace-elements such as selenium, vitamin D (fish is the best
> dietary source of vitamin D), etc. etc.
>
>
> --
> Matti Narkia

Amen. Glad to see someone else who gets it.

TC

Matti Nark
Fri, Jan-20-06, 17:16
20 Jan 2006 05:15:31 -0800 in article
<1137762931.927817.108740@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "Roman
Bystrianyk" <rbystrianyk@gmail.com> wrote:

>"Oily fish makes 'babies brainier'", BBC News, January 20,
>2006, Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4631006.stm
>
>Eating oily fish and seeds in pregnancy can boost children's
>future brain power and social skills, research suggests.
>
>A study of 9,000 mothers and children suggested those who
>consumed less of the essential fatty acid Omega-3 had
>children with lower IQs.
>
>These children also had poorer motor skills and hand-to-eye
>co-ordination, research in the Economist said.
>
Adults' brains also benefit from fish and fish oil
consumption. Below some references about benefits of fish and
long chain omega-3 fatty acids for the brain function:

Lukiw WJ, Cui JG, Marcheselli VL, Bodker M, Botkjaer A,
Gotlinger K, Serhan CN, Bazan NG. A role for docosahexaenoic
acid- derived neuroprotectin D1 in neural cell survival and
Alzheimer disease. J Clin Invest. 2005 Sep 8; [Epub ahead of
print] PMID: 16151530 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]
<http://www.jci.org/cgi/content/abstract/JCI25420v1>
<http://www.jci.org/cgi/reprint/JCI25420v1> (full text) <http-
://www.pubmedcentral.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&pubme-
did=16151530> (full text)

Comment:

Fatty Acids: Good For The Brain, Good For Alzheimer
Disease <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/09/050-
911105120.htm>

"A number of studies suggest a protective action of the
fatty acid DHA in cognitive decline and in Alzheimer
disease (AD). However, the molecular mechanism is not
understood. In a paper appearing online on September 8 in
advance of print publication of the October 1 issue of the
Journal of Clinical Investigation, Nicolas Bazan and
colleagues from Louisiana State University identify a
specific mechanism by which DHA is neuroprotective in AD.

The authors report that DHA can decrease levels of the
pathogenic Abeta peptides that are associated with
Alzheimer disease pathology in human brain cells.
Meanwhile, the synthesis of neuroprotectin D1 (NPD1), an
endogenous DHA-derived messenger, is upregulated. NPD1
inhibits apoptosis triggered by Abeta peptides. In a human
AD donor brain, the authors show that DHA and NPD1 are
reduced in vulnerable brain regions.

This data raises the possibility that NPD1 is a key
regulator of cell survival, and might be manipulated for
the development of novel therapeutic strategies for
neurodegenerative diseases."

Bazan NG. Neuroprotectin D1 (NPD1): a DHA-derived mediator
that protects brain and retina against cell injury-induced
oxidative stress. Brain Pathol. 2005 Apr;15(2):159-66. Review.
PMID: 15912889 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] <http://www.ncb-
i.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=A-
bstract&list_uids=15912889>

Lim GP, Calon F, Morihara T, Yang F, Teter B, Ubeda O, Salem N
Jr, Frautschy SA, Cole GM. A diet enriched with the omega-3
fatty acid docosahexaenoic acid reduces amyloid burden in an
aged Alzheimer mouse model. J Neurosci. 2005 Mar
23;25(12):3032-40. PMID: 15788759 [PubMed - in process]
<http://www.jneurosci.org/cgi/content/abstract/25/12/3032>

Comment:

Fish Oil Holds Promise In Alzheimer's Fight <http://www.scien-
cedaily.com/releases/2005/05/050528141248.htm>

"The new study involved older mice genetically altered to
develop Alzheimer's disease. The researchers fed one group
of the mice DHA-fortified chow. The control mice ate a
normal or DHA-depleted diet.

After three to five months--the equivalent of several
years in human biology--the high-DHA group had 70-percent
less buildup of amyloid protein in the brain. This sticky
protein makes up the plaques, or patches, that are a
hallmark of Alzheimer's.

A similar study by Cole's group published in Neuron last
fall showed that DHA protected against damage to the
"synaptic" areas where brain cells communicate and enabled
mice to perform better on memory tests.

The studies, say the scientists, suggest that even people
who are genetically predisposed to the disease may be able
to delay it by boosting their DHA intake.

Omega-3 fatty acids, typically deficient in the American
diet, are essential for human health. DHA in particular is
vital to proper brain function, as well as eye health and
other body processes. In recent years epidemiologists have
tied fish-rich diets to a lower incidence of Alzheimer's
disease and homed in on DHA as the preventive factor.
Omega-3 fatty acid supplements are now being tested in
clinical trials with early-stage Alzheimer's patients in
the United States, Canada and Sweden to see if the therapy
really slows the disease."

Whalley LJ, Fox HC, Wahle KW, Starr JM, Deary IJ Cognitive
aging, childhood intelligence, and the use of food
supplements: possible involvement of n-3 fatty acids. Am J
Clin Nutr. 2004 Dec;80(6):1650-7. PMID: 15585782 [PubMed -
indexed for MEDLINE] <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/-
query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids-
=15585782>

"CONCLUSIONS: Food supplement use and erythrocyte n-3
content are associated with better cognitive aging. If
associations with n-3 content are causal, optimization of
n-3 and n-6 fatty acid intakes could improve retention of
cognitive function in old age."

Colombo J, Kannass KN, Shaddy DJ, Kundurthi S, Maikranz
JM, Anderson CJ, Blaga OM, Carlson SE. Maternal DHA and
the development of attention in infancy and toddlerhood.
Child Dev. 2004 Jul-Aug;75(4):1254-67. PMID: 15260876
[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.g-
ov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract-
&list_uids=15260876>

" These findings are consistent with evidence suggesting a
link between DHA and cognitive development in infancy. "

Daniels JL, Longnecker MP, Rowland AS, Golding J; ALSPAC Study
Team. University of Bristol Institute of Child Health. Fish
intake during pregnancy and early cognitive development of
offspring. Epidemiology. 2004 Jul;15(4):394-402. PMID:
15232398 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] <http://www.ncbi.nlm.-
nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstrac-
t&list_uids=15232398>

"CONCLUSIONS: When fish is not contaminated, moderate fish
intake during pregnancy and infancy may benefit
development"

Kalmijn S, van Boxtel MP, Ocke M, Verschuren WM, Kromhout D,
Launer LJ. Dietary intake of fatty acids and fish in relation
to cognitive performance at middle age. Neurology. 2004 Jan
27;62(2):275-80. PMID: 14745067 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
<http://www.neurology.org/cgi/content/abstract/62/2/275>

"Conclusions: Fatty fish and marine omega-3 PUFA
consumption was associated with a reduced risk and intake
of cholesterol and saturated fat with an increased risk of
impaired cognitive function in this middle-aged
population."

Helland IB, Smith L, Saarem K, Saugstad OD, Drevon CA.
Maternal supplementation with very-long-chain n-3 fatty acids
during pregnancy and lactation augments children's IQ at 4
years of age. Pediatrics. 2003 Jan;111(1):e39-44. PMID:
12509593 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] <http://pediatrics.aa-
ppublications.org/cgi/content/full/111/1/e39>

"Conclusion. Maternal intake of very-long-chain n-3 PUFAs
during pregnancy and lactation may be favorable for later
mental development of children."

Wainwright PE. Dietary essential fatty acids and brain
function: a developmental perspective on mechanisms. Proc
Nutr Soc. 2002 Feb;61(1):61-9. Review. PMID: 12002796
[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov-
/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&lis-
t_uids=12002796>

Kalmijn S, Feskens EJ, Launer LJ, Kromhout D. Polyunsaturated
fatty acids, antioxidants, and cognitive function in very old
men. Am J Epidemiol. 1997 Jan 1;145(1):33-41. PMID: 8982020
[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/en-
trez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uid-
s=8982020>

"This study raises the possibility that high linoleic acid
intake is positively associated with cognitive impairment
and high fish consumption inversely associated with
cognitive impairment."

--
Matti Narkia

Roman Byst
Fri, Jan-20-06, 17:16
Some more brain-related information:

http://www.healthsentinel.com/org_news.php?id=058&title=Stopp-
ing+epileptic+seizures+using+omega-3%2C+vitamin+E%2C+diet%2C+-
and+more&event=org_news_print_list_item

Enjoy your day. Roman

John Sanke
Fri, Jan-20-06, 17:16
"And that is what is wrong with the mainstream and how
they look at nutrition and health. They fixate on only a
small aspect of the whole thing and they miss the forest
for the trees. They are too stupid to consider multiple
aspects at once."

That's unfair. There are so many aspects to diet and to our
bodies that there is no way any scientist, mainstream or not,
could possibly consider all of them all at once. Analysing one
factor, or a very small number of factors, at a time is the
only way of teasing out repeatable knowledge from things as
complex as we and our diet are.

However, equating fish to solely omega-3, as the originally
quoted study seems to have done, is indeed lousy science.

Matti Nark
Fri, Jan-20-06, 17:16
20 Jan 2006 06:50:22 -0800 in article
<1137768622.421100.105020@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> "TC"
<tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote:

>It is not just the omega-3, it is all the rest of the great
>nutrition that comes from fresh fish. Like vitamins A and E
>and complete proteins.

And taurine (especially in small fish eaten as whole), calcium
(in small fish such as sardines eaten with bones),
phosphatidylserine (especially in mackerel and herring),
trace-elements such as selenium, vitamin D (fish is the best
dietary source of vitamin D), etc. etc.

--
Matti Narkia

Jt
Sat, Jan-21-06, 06:15
On 20 Jan 2006 06:50:22 -0800, "TC"
<tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote:

>It is not just the omega-3, it is all the rest of the great
>nutrition that comes from fresh fish. Like vitamins A and E
>and complete proteins. There is no way that this kind of
>thing can be attributed to only one simple singular component
>of a diet or of a given complex food item. It is the combined
>sum of all components of what is a fresh good whole food like
>fish. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts
>
>And that is what is wrong with the mainstream and how they
>look at nutrition and health. They fixate on only a small
>aspect of the whole thing and they miss the forest for the
>trees. They are too stupid to consider multiple aspects at
>once. It s not the individual components that make the diet
>strong, it is the sum total of its parts IN COMBINATION.
>
>The singular component bullshit is an extension of the
>bullshit concept that one singular unique molecular
>entity will be the savior of our sick and the resulting
>pharmaceutical pills will be the answer that will make
>us healthy.
>
>TC

Kinda like your fixation with carbohydrates?

Enrico C
Sat, Jan-21-06, 17:16
On 20 Jan 2006 05:15:31 -0800, Roman Bystrianyk wrote in
<news:1137762931.927817.108740@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
on misc.kids.pregnancy,misc.kids.health,sci.med.nutrition :

> "Oily fish makes 'babies brainier'", BBC News, January 20,
> 2006, Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4631006.stm

Hi Roman,

I am a fish eater myself, but let me play the devil's advocate
for the moment...

> Eating oily fish and seeds in pregnancy can boost children's
> future brain power and social skills, research suggests.

> A study of 9,000 mothers and children suggested those who
> consumed less of the essential fatty acid Omega-3 had
> children with lower IQs.

They say "in pregnancy"... So it's the mothers who should eat
such foods, right?... Does the study tell anything about the
diet of the kids after weaning?

> These children also had poorer motor skills and hand-to-eye
> co-ordination, research in the Economist said.

Is it on Pubmed too?

> A team from the National Institutes of Health in the US
> analysed data from a long-term study done in Avon, UK.
>
> 'Frightening data'
>
> Looking at the effects of Omega-3 intake on 9,000 mothers
> and their children, the team found mothers with the lowest
> intake of the essential fatty acid had children with a
> verbal IQ six points lower than the average.

When I read about a possible correlation, I always wonder
whether there may be different reasons.

For instance, in Italy, fish is now quite an expensive food,
generally speaking, compared to meat. Besides, I believe it is
a favourite food of health concerned people. I thus guess its
consumption would be higher in top social-cultural classes
rather in lower ones. Could that explain (at least part of)
the fish-brains connection?

> While those with the highest consumption of mackerel and
> sardines and other sources of Omega-3 had children, at age
> three-and-a-half, with the best measures of fine-motor
> performance, researchers said.
>
> Low intake of the crucial fatty acid also appeared to lead
> to higher levels of social interactions - such as an
> inability to make friends.

Well, "ability to make friends" does not always relate to IQ,
or vice versa... Who gets along with swots? ;)

> Research leader Dr Joseph Hibbeln said "frightening data"
> showed 14% of 17-year-olds whose mother had eaten small
> quantities of Omega -3 during pregnancy demonstrated this
> sort of behaviour.

"Frightening data"? Isn't that a tad of a "frightening" way of
speaking, for a researcher?

> This compared with 8% of those born to the group with the
> highest intake, he said.

> Dr Hibbeln said: "The findings of poor social development
> and poor motor control in children indicate that these
> children may be on a developmental trajectory towards
> lifelong disruptive and poorly-socialised behaviour as they
> grow up."

> Professor Jean Golding of Bristol University set up the
> original research - the Avon Longitudinal Study of Parents
> and Children -15 years ago to look at the predisposition to
> disease.
>
> She told the BBC: "The baby's brain needs Omega-3 fatty
> acids. It doesn't create its own fatty acids so it needs to
> be something that the mother will eat."

I gather that pregnant mothers and their babies have special
needs of essential fats...

Assuming there is indeed a link between fish in pregnancy and
brains, would that link be significant in other cases, say for
the diet of grown-ups? :)

>
> The new research also builds on earlier work in the US which
> suggests pregnant mothers will develop children with better
> language and communication skills if they regularly consume
> oily fish.
>
> Nutritional expert Patrick Holford, director of the Brain
> Bio Centre, said Omega-3 was key to children's intelligence
> because the brain is formed of 60% fat - 30% of which is
> essential fats.
>
> Successive studies have shown clear links between
> intelligence and consumption of this essential fatty acid,
> he added.
>
> Seed option
>
> "It's absolutely essential that pregnant women take in
> enough Omega-3 and that children in early infancy take in
> enough Omega-3."
>
> The richest sources of Omega-3 are larger fish which eat
> other fish, but research shows that the larger the fish the
> more pollutants, such as mercury, they contain.
>
> For this reason Mr Holford recommends women consume
> two portions of wild or organic salmon, trout or
> sardines weekly.

> The Food Standards Agency says pregnant women should consume
> only one or two portions of oily fish a week.
>
> Seeds such as flax, pumpkin and hemp are good sources of
> Omega-3 for vegetarians, but large quantities need to be
> consumed to gain the same effect.

> This might translate to two tablespoons of seeds daily, Mr
> Holford said, but women can also use a high quality Omega-3
> fish oil supplement.

So they are not taking into account other elements in fish.
Those mothers ate oily fish, not fish oil supplements, right?

X'Posted to:
misc.kids.pregnancy,misc.kids.health,sci.med.nutrition

Mr-Natural
Sat, Jan-21-06, 17:16
John Sankey wrote:

> However, equating fish to solely omega-3, as the originally
> quoted study seems to have done, is indeed lousy science.

Not really at all!

Tell me the differences between cold water fatty fish,
chicken, and beef; Critical person.

# for some strange people would be the smell and scales.

#1 Is lots of fatty oil which contains Omega-3's.

#2 Would be Iodine.

#3 Would be ...

Dz
Sun, Jan-22-06, 06:15
John Sankey <bf250@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
>> And that is what is wrong with the mainstream and how
>> they look at nutrition and health. They fixate on only a
>> small aspect of the whole thing and they miss the forest
>> for the trees. They are too stupid to consider multiple
>> aspects at once.
>
> That's unfair. There are so many aspects to diet and to our
> bodies that there is no way any scientist, mainstream or
> not, could possibly consider all of them all at once.
> Analysing one factor, or a very small number of factors, at
> a time is the only way of teasing out repeatable knowledge
> from things as complex as we and our diet are.

Yes, we need to keep in mind the whole thing, but ...

http://home.nc.rr.com/netsink/marg-vs-interact.pdf

Tc
Mon, Jan-23-06, 17:16
jt wrote:
> On 20 Jan 2006 06:50:22 -0800, "TC"
> <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >It is not just the omega-3, it is all the rest of the great
> >nutrition that comes from fresh fish. Like vitamins A and E
> >and complete proteins. There is no way that this kind of
> >thing can be attributed to only one simple singular
> >component of a diet or of a given complex food item. It is
> >the combined sum of all components of what is a fresh good
> >whole food like fish. The whole is greater than the sum of
> >its parts
> >
> >And that is what is wrong with the mainstream and how they
> >look at nutrition and health. They fixate on only a small
> >aspect of the whole thing and they miss the forest for the
> >trees. They are too stupid to consider multiple aspects at
> >once. It s not the individual components that make the diet
> >strong, it is the sum total of its parts IN COMBINATION.
> >
> >The singular component bullshit is an extension of the
> >bullshit concept that one singular unique molecular entity
> >will be the savior of our sick and the resulting
> >pharmaceutical pills will be the answer that will make us
> >healthy.
> >
> >TC
>

> Kinda like your fixation with carbohydrates?

Actually I haven't fixated on one component. Refined carbs are
not one singular component. They are a class of fake foods.
From sugar to high fructose corn sugar to potato chips to
white four. They are all very different in source and in
preparation.

But they do have one thing in common. They are fake
manufactured foods. They all raise blood glucose levels
in unhealthy ways. They are slow poisons being sold to
our children.

I also talk about the unhealthiness of grains in general. They
are good bird or cattle food but are slow poisons to man.

Milk is no longer milk. It is now a highly processed dead
substance. Ultra high temp pasteurization kills it and deforms
the protein and fat molecules making it toxic.

Vegetable fats are highly processed manufactured foods.
Hydrogenation turns vegetable fats into poisons like
trans fats.

Soy is not real food. It contain phyto-toxins and
phyto-estrogens that does more harm than it does good.

Eat real foods. Real foods don't have food labels. They
rot and go bad, unlike manufactured crap with months-long
shelf lives.

Carbs are only the most prevalent modern poisons and the most
insidious because our children are being reared on and being
accustomed to food being extremely sweet. They are being
hooked while they are still sucking on a bottle.

TC