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kebaldwin
Thu, Jan-05-06, 06:18
Soy Might Worsen Heart Condition


WEDNESDAY, Jan. 4 (HealthDay News) -- In an animal study showing strong links between diet and a specific type of heart disease, researchers report that consuming soy might adversely affect the condition called hypertrophic cardiomyopathy.

University of Colorado scientists found that when male mice who carried a gene mutation associated with hypertrophic cardiomyopathy (HCM), a disease in which the heart muscle thickens abnormally, were taken off their normal soy diets, their heart function improved significantly compared to HCM male mice who stayed with soy. Female mice with HCM did not show the same significant change.

"I was struck by the massive impact that diet had on so many functions of the heart -- the all-encompassing effect of diet was so striking," said study co-author Leslie A. Leinwand, chairman of the Department of Molecular, Cellular and Developmental Biology at the university.

That said, Leinwand is not sounding the clarion call for those with heart disease to avoid soy.

"I would feel pretty uncomfortable making any kind of recommendation about what physicians should say to patients, as these are mice, not humans," she said.

HCM is a cardiovascular disease occurring in one of every 500 individuals, according to the American Heart Association. Usually caused by a genetic mutation, the disease creates abnormal thickening of the heart muscle, which interferes with the healthy function of the heart. Symptoms can include shortness of breath, chest discomfort and palpitations that may be a sign of life-threatening arrhythmias, Leinwand said.

Patients with hypertrophic cardiomyopathy are at higher risk for sudden death than the normal population, and can be affected at a young age. HCM is a well-known cause of sudden death in athletes, according to the National Institutes of Health.

The study findings appear in the Jan. 4 issue of the Journal of Clinical Investigation.

For the study, researchers compared the heart function of male and female mice with HCM when given either soy diets or milk-protein diets. They also compared the effects of a soy diet and a milk-protein diet on healthy male and female mice without HCM.

They found that the male mice with HCM had significantly improved healthy heart growth and function on the milk-protein diet compared to the HCM male mice on the soy diet, Leinwand said. The female HCM mice did not show the same difference.

Leinwand said that difference in responses between the female mice and the male mice might be related to the fact that the female mice already had high levels of estrogen, so the effect of the estrogens in their soy diet were not as strong as the effect in the male mice.

The reason why soy might adversely affect the HCM mice needs further study since the researchers don't know why it happened, Leinwand said.

Craig T. Basson, director of cardiovascular research in the department of medicine at Weill Medical College of Cornell University in New York City, who wrote a commentary that accompanied the study, said the finding was an important contribution to research looking at how environmental factors influence heart disease.

"We always speculate about how environmental factors influence cardiovascular disease, and this is the first time we've had clear data about the environment," he said. "It opens the door to some very exciting clinical interventions down the line."

Soybean products are often promoted by health advocates because they're a low-fat alternative source of protein, and they possibly reduce the risks of illnesses such as heart disease and cancer. However, many studies on soy are inconclusive and often contradictory.

"We're not trying to say that soy is bad, but that a soy diet can have a significant impact on certain organ systems, including the heart. For the normal, healthy mouse, a soy diet doesn't seem to be either harmful or beneficial, but in the context of this particular disease, soy has a detrimental effect on male mice," Leinwand said.

Interestingly, Leinwand noted, the original intent of their work was to look at how sex differences affect heart disease. As laboratory animals are routinely fed soy diets, and soy contains plant estrogens, the scientists took the mice off the soy and put them on milk-protein diets to better compensate for the differing male and female hormones.

Their discovery of the significant improvement in the heart function of those male mice with HCM who had been switched to the milk-protein diet prompted them to change the focus of their work.

"We were completely surprised," she said.

More information

The Mayo Clinic gives the lowdown on soy.

http://www.forbes.com/lifestyle/health/feeds/hscout/2006/01/04/hscout530001.html

kebaldwin
Thu, Jan-05-06, 06:21
Most men alternative doctors will advise men NOT to eat soy.

If that little bit of estrogen causes significant health problems -- would this not be another example of why rebuilding testosterone (and decreasing estrogen) in men is so important?

Dodger
Thu, Jan-05-06, 09:13
As laboratory animals are routinely fed soy diets, and soy contains plant estrogens, the scientists took the mice off the soy and put them on milk-protein diets to better compensate for the differing male and female hormones.This means that much research done on mice may well be invalid, unless the research was to study how soy affects 'X', 'Y', or 'Z'.

Dodger
Thu, Jan-05-06, 09:23
The article here (http://www.nutraingredients.com/news/ng.asp?n=64852-soy-heart-disease-health-claim) has some additional comments on the study results:



The new findings are likely to cause a stir in the food industry, as manufacturers are increasingly using soy in their formulations on the back of the positive science surrounding the product.

Indeed, according to market researcher The Freedonia Group, new research and the approval of health claims will contribute to 5.1 percent annual growth in demand for soy in the US over the next five years, with overall demand for soy products set to reach $8.65 billion by the end of the decade, compared to $6.75 billion in 2004.

According to lead author of the new study, Professor Leslie Leinwand, the research shows that “at least in mice, diet can have a more profound effect on heart disease than any drug that we could imagine.”

“We have no information about how this work might translate into humans,” she told FoodNavigator-USA, adding that there is also no evidence that healthy animals could be affected.

“We only see the negative effects on a specific genetic heart disease model and only in males,” she said.

Female mice carrying the mutation for HCM apparently remained “relatively unaffected” by the soy diet due to the fact that they are constantly exposed to naturally circulating levels of estrogen compounds and are therefore less sensitive than males to the change in estrogen level as a result of the soy diet.

Leinwand also added that “the concentration of soy protein in the mouse diet is likely much higher than in a person eating tofu and edamame on a regular basis, however the addition of high concentrations of plant estrogens in the form of dietary supplements for humans can be very high.”

According to the American Soybean Association (ASA), more research is still needed before claiming that soy could have a negative heart health impact.

“You need several studies to really see a trend. This is just one message, linked to mice and not humans, and affecting only a very niche sector that carries the genetic disease. It is a limited message and does not undermine all the positive messages so far available about soy,” said ASA technical marketing consultant Ignace Debruyne.

And according to Lisa Salberg, president of the nation's Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy Association, the new study “goes against everything I have ever heard about soy diets and heart disease.”

“But if they have found a food to alter the progression of the disease, whether positive or negative, it is extremely meaningful as it gives us more roads to look down,” she added.

Until now, most scientific studies have focused on the health benefits of soy, and there is a growing awareness amongst consumers that the product is high in fiber, protein and minerals yet low in saturated fat and free of cholesterol.

In 1999 the FDA approved an unqualified health claim linking consumption of soy foods to a reduced risk of coronary heart disease. According to a 2000 report in FDA Consumer, consumption of soy foods increased 20 percent per year since 1995 and the approval of this claim led to surging interest.

The link between soy and heart health was also recently reinforced when a study published in November revealed that soy protein containing isoflavones could help reduce two strong indicators for coronary heart disease in postmenopausal women.

Other studies have also indicated that components found in soy could help reduce cholesterol, prevent high blood pressure, alleviate menopause symptoms and maintain bone density.

On the down side, a medical study published in June in the UK claimed the soy component genistein may damage human sperm.

CheeseSand
Fri, Jan-13-06, 12:27
Our 2 year old daughter chugs a bottle full of no-sugar-added soymilk once in the morning & once at night...

Zuleikaa
Fri, Jan-13-06, 13:03
Our 2 year old daughter chugs a bottle full of no-sugar-added soymilk once in the morning & once at night...There was a report in Australia/New Zealand that more and more children are having thyroid problems due to soy. Also that consumption of soy, especially soy oils were hastening onset of sexual maturity in girls.

kebaldwin
Fri, Jan-13-06, 13:19
Female mice carrying the mutation for HCM apparently remained “relatively unaffected” by the soy diet due to the fact that they are constantly exposed to naturally circulating levels of estrogen compounds and are therefore less sensitive than males to the change in estrogen level as a result of the soy diet.

This made me sit up and take notice!

I guess the male alternative doctors were right.

CheeseSand
Fri, Jan-13-06, 13:35
There was a report in Australia/New Zealand that more and more children are having thyroid problems due to soy. Also that consumption of soy, especially soy oils were hastening onset of sexual maturity in girls.


Hmm... We're looking into it..

kebaldwin
Fri, Jan-13-06, 13:55
There was a report in Australia/New Zealand that more and more children are having thyroid problems due to soy. Also that consumption of soy, especially soy oils were hastening onset of sexual maturity in girls.

I have heard this about girls that eat a high glycemic diet. So girls eating high glycemic and soy -- are really in trouble.

CindySue48
Fri, Jan-13-06, 21:36
I saw an article on this in another publication, and the title of the article cracked me up "Mice predisposed to heart disease should shun soy" :lol: