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Demi
Fri, Dec-30-05, 14:12
BBC News
London, UK
30 December, 2005


The benefits of high-protein diets have again been questioned.
The Total Wellbeing Diet, similar to the Atkins diet, advises eating around twice the daily amount of protein in a typical Western diet.

But an editorial in the magazine Nature suggests the diet only helps a small number of people.

However the scientists from Australia's Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization who wrote the book, stand by their work.

The book has become a best-seller, selling half a million copies in Australia since May.

It went on sale in the UK in September, and is due to be launched in the US next year.

The diet recommends around 30 to 35% of a person's daily energy intake should come from protein, compared to 15% in the typical Western diet.

To do this, Manny Noakes and Peter Clifton who devised the eating plan, recommend eating more meat and fish at lunch and dinner.

It differs from Atkins because followers are allowed to eat small amounts of carbohydrates and encouraged to stock up on fruit and vegetables.

Calorie intake

The authors based the diet on several studies, including one of 100 overweight women which they carried out themselves.

Half the women were put onto the high-protein diet while the rest had a high-carbohydrate eating plan.

Both diets contained the same amount of calories, and women in both groups lost the same amount of weight.

But the researchers said women with high triglyceride levels - a marker of insulin resistance - shed far more weight on the high-protein diet.

Insulin resistance happens when the body cannot respond properly to the insulin being produced, leading to difficulty in regulating blood glucose levels.

The Nature editorial said: "The diet is being promoted as beneficial for everyone, whereas the published research indicates that it is superior to a high-carbohydrate diet only for a sub-population of overweight women with symptoms of metabolic disorder."

Patrick Holford, of the Institute for Optimum Nutrition in London, said: "The main trial showed no difference in weight loss compared with a conventional diet."

But a spokeswoman for the CSIRO said it had always published books on its scientific work and put its name to publications, and this was "no exception".

"The decision to publish was in response to many consumers asking for further details of the diet."

'Be more active'

Helen Stracey, of the British Dietetic Association, said excessive intake of protein was not recommended.

She added: "The proportion of protein in a reducing diet will typically be around 20% and should provide a minimum of 15% at least.

"Starchy carbohydrates such as bread cereals, pasta and potatoes should provide the bulk of each meal as they help to provide a sense of fullness and at least five portions of fruit and vegetables a day."

Ms Stracey added: "The only way to lose weight is to take in fewer calories than you need, or to use up more calories by being more active.

"Resorting to unbalanced, quick fix approaches may be harmful to your health, and is unlikely to lead to permanent weight loss, because as soon as you come 'off the diet' you are likely to go back to your original eating habits."


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4568944.stm

dstartz
Fri, Dec-30-05, 14:18
high triglyceride levels - a marker of insulin resistance - I didn't know that!
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kwikdriver
Fri, Dec-30-05, 14:49
It differs from Atkins because followers are allowed to eat small amounts of carbohydrates and encouraged to stock up on fruit and vegetables.


How do these people keep their jobs, when they write about subjects they clearly know nothing about?

Nancy LC
Fri, Dec-30-05, 14:52
What's funny is they have no problem recommending a high carbohydrate diet for everyone. :p

bsheets
Fri, Dec-30-05, 15:19
That book is pretty huge here, there are even reports of entire country towns following the plan and losing tons of weight - literally.

When I first looked into it, I did see the similarity between it and other frowned-upon low carb plans. That amused me. It's becoming more and more clear that low carb is healthier than low fat but because of the immediate slamming of Atkins, people are afraid to call it low carb. That's my belief, anyway.

The CSIRO is a very prestigious organisation and if they agree with Dr Atkins, I'm a lot happier with the WOL I am undertaking :)

As for this article, the British Dietetic Association is showing their unwillingness to even look at the health of the trial patients and instead consider weight loss only. There's more to health than simple weight loss.

I haven't read the book myself, but I believe if the plan were only suitable for a small section of the population, it would be stated. And if it's not stated, then that's not what their findings indicated.

And I hardly consider 30% protein excessive if you compare it to current diets of more than 30% sugars.

And that's my 2 cents for today :lol:

Have a happy new year all!

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foxgluvs
Fri, Dec-30-05, 15:35
"Starchy carbohydrates such as bread cereals, pasta and potatoes should provide the bulk of each meal as they help to provide a sense of fullness and at least five portions of fruit and vegetables a day."

Hmmm wasn't that how I got FAT in the first place??

Batipton
Fri, Dec-30-05, 15:45
as soon as you come 'off the diet' you are likely to go back to your original eating habits.

I always love this type of remark. Basically it says as soon as I start eating like I did when I was fat I will get fat again.

The biochemical basis of this diet is probably similar to Protein Power. Basically one way to lower insulin (storage hormone) and increase glucagon (retrieval hormone) is to eat a protein rich diet. Fat if eaten by itself does not impact insulin levels. The worst meal to eat as far as insulin release is high fat/high carb/low protein. If you really want to get fat fast stick to french fries, potato chips, and donuts.

Fasting and intense exercise is also supposed to increase glucagon levels. I wouldn't recommend long fasts without supervision, but have done 1 day a week with success. Intense exercise also needs to be done in moderation. Too much can be as bad as not exercising at all.

dstartz
Fri, Dec-30-05, 17:31
intense exercise is also supposed to increase glucagon levels."Resting muscles mainly use fats (fatty acids) for producing energy but as exercise begins, the muscles begin to use glucose as well. This glucose comes from both the blood and stores of glucose in muscle (muscle glycogen).

The more intense the exercise, the faster glucose is used. As exercise continues the muscles use a mixture of fatty acid and glucose, but eventually the glucose from stored muscle glycogen runs out. If extra glucose from stored muscle glycogen runs out, if extra glucose isn't found blood glucose would drop and hypo would occur, even in people without diabetes, after only about 30 minutes of moderate exercise.

The extra glucose to continue exercise comes from the liver, by two different mechanisms. Firstly, the liver can break down its own stores of glycogen and release the resulting glucose to the blood so that it can be used by the exercising muscle. Secondly, the liver can make new glucose from protein and fat. To allow these two processes to work efficiently it is necessary for the body to make some changes in hormone levels. These are to decrease levels of insulin and to increase levels of glucagon and adrenalin. These changes happen automatically as blood glucose begins to fall and the overall affect is that blood glucose remains constant over hours of exercise, even including marathons." - medic8.com (http://www.medic8.com/healthguide/articles/exerciseanddiabetes.html)

"Insulin concentrations were depressed during work except for the heaviest load. Fatty acids rose throughout prolonged exercise, whereas blood glucose significantly diminished 30 min afterward. Glucagon concentrations correlated significantly with norepinephrine and epinephrine concentrations during prolonged and with epinephrine during graded exercise. Although increments in catecholamines were similar, the glucagon secretion was larger during prolonged than during graded exercise." - PubMed (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1110246&dopt=Abstract)

LC FP
Fri, Dec-30-05, 17:34
But the researchers said women with high triglyceride levels - a marker of insulin resistance - shed far more weight on the high-protein diet.

Insulin resistance happens when the body cannot respond properly to the insulin being produced, leading to difficulty in regulating blood glucose levels.

The Nature editorial said: "The diet is being promoted as beneficial for everyone, whereas the published research indicates that it is superior to a high-carbohydrate diet only for a sub-population of overweight women with symptoms of metabolic disorder."

Women with high triglyceride levels, apple-shaped women, are exactly the women who need to shed weight. Overweight pear-shaped women are not as much at risk.

I guess the Nature editorialist would prefer a diet which would only benefit women who don't have "metabolic disorder".

Idiot.

Nancy LC
Fri, Dec-30-05, 17:41
I had high triglycerides at one point, but my shape was still pearish, but I was beginning to put on fat in the belly.

Abd
Sat, Dec-31-05, 08:38
Ms Stracey added: "The only way to lose weight is to take in fewer calories than you need, or to use up more calories by being more active.

Brilliant! The only way to be undernourished is to "take in" less of *anything* than you "need"! Perhaps she meant to say (or did say, but was misquoted), "less than you burn."

It's still wrong, because what you excrete is also relevant, and so too does what you burn depend on what you eat. Can you spell "oversimplified"? Yet this statement is made over and over again as if it were some law of physics, which it is not....

Batipton
Sat, Dec-31-05, 09:39
There is probably a reason why people why high triglyceride levels respond to a high protein diet. It is my understanding that high triglycerides (as well as a host of other problems) can be caused by high serum insulin levels. A diet that lowers the amount of insulin in the blood should also lower the effects of the high insulin level in the blood. High blood insulin levels affects triglycerides as well as weight.