Hmmmmmm

[George Che]

School Officials Propose Ban of Whole Milk By Associated Press
5 hours agoUPDATED 4 HOURS 30 MINUTES AGO

CHICAGO - Cartons of whole milk would be considered junk food,
but baked Cheetos would not, under new rules proposed Friday
by Illinois education officials.

The State Board of Education proposed the rules after Gov.
Rod Blagojevich asked for a junk food ban in elementary and
middle schools.

The new rules focus on the nutritional content of foods rather
than broad categories of food.

Because of that, the proposed guidelines would allow 1 ounce
bags of baked potato chips, even though all chips are now
banned under the board's current definition of junk food.
Whole milk would also be banned because of its high fat
content, school officials said.

Some of the recommended cut-off points: calories from fat
exceeding 35 percent (except nuts and seeds), calories from
saturated fat exceeding 10 percent, and total calories
exceeding 200 for an individual package.

"I think it's more practical," said the board's general
counsel, Jonathan Furr. "We're focusing on nutrition, which is
the objective to focus on a healthier environment."

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redistributed.

[Joni]

George Cherry wrote:
> asked for a junk food ban in elementary and middle schools.
> Whole milk would also be banned because of its high fat
> content, school officials said.

There is no reason for children over the age of 2 years old to
drink whole milk (per the American Pediatric Society) and if
you were a mom you'd probably know this too! Fat reduced milk
contains the same amount of protein and calcium and todays
kids sure dont need the added saturated fats in their already
overly fat diets. One cup whole milk has about 8grams fat of
which 5grams are saturated fat while one cup of even lowfat 1%
milk has only 3grams fat of which 1.6grams are saturated fats.

And the point of this article is? It says its not banning milk
alltogether, just the fattest milk, whats wrong with that?

joanne

[Enrico C]

On 11 Dec 2005 09:52:24 -0800, joni wrote in
<news:1134323544.190934.114960@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
on sci.med.nutrition :

> George Cherry wrote:
>> asked for a junk food ban in elementary and middle schools.
>> Whole milk would also be banned because of its high fat
>> content, school officials said.
>
> There is no reason for children over the age of 2 years old
> to drink whole milk (per the American Pediatric Society) and
> if you were a mom you'd probably know this too! Fat reduced
> milk contains the same amount of protein and calcium and
> todays kids sure dont need the added saturated fats in their
> already overly fat diets. One cup whole milk has about
> 8grams fat of which 5grams are saturated fat while one cup
> of even lowfat 1% milk has only 3grams fat of which 1.6grams
> are saturated fats.
>
> And the point of this article is? It says its not
> banning milk alltogether, just the fattest milk, whats
> wrong with that?

I think that you can live drinking milk or not drinking milk,
depending on if you like it or not.

But, when comparing whole milk to fat free or reduced fat
milk, you should also consider my five questions:

1. Taste. Whole milk tastes better, IMHO, as it is the fat
that gives taste. Is giving up taste really necessary?

2. Feeling of satiety. I couldn't find the satiety or fullness
indexes for milk, but I guess a glass of whole milk will
satisfy you more than the equivalent amount of [may I say
"watery"? ;) ] nonfat milk. Thus, won't you end up drinking
more nonfat milk than whole milk?

3. Glycemic Index. If you want to keep GI low, I gather that
whole milk is a better choice than skimmed milk, isn't it?

4. Doesn't the fat content help absorption of fat-soluble
vitamins and of minerals in milk?

5. Composition of fat in milk. Yes, it is saturated fat. But
not all saturated fats are equal. I gather that short and
middle chain saturated fatty acids, and stearic acid
(18:0), are not *that* bad, are they?

According to the USDA data base, in 100 g of "Milk, whole,
3.25% milkfat", there are:

Fatty acids, total saturated g 1.865

6: g 0.075

7: g 0.075

8: g 0.075

9: g 0.075

10: g 0.077

11: g 0.297

12: g 0.829

13: g 0.365

[Mirek Fidl]

> 5. Composition of fat in milk. Yes, it is saturated fat. But
> not all saturated fats are equal. I gather that short and
> middle chain saturated fatty acids, and stearic acid
> (18:0), are not *that* bad, are they?

Well, if short, middle and stearic acid are not that bad,
which are? :)

Mirek

(note: I am not arguing about dangers of SFA, just your
definition covers all SFA chain lenghts normally encountered
in both animal and vegetable products IMO :)

[Doug Frees]

"Enrico C" <use_replyto_address@despammed.com> wrote in
message news:102zvmcw31714.dlg@news.lillathedog.net...
>> And the point of this article is? It says its not
>> banning milk alltogether, just the fattest milk, whats
>> wrong with that?
>
>
> I think that you can live drinking milk or not drinking
> milk, depending on if you like it or not.

Agree.

> But, when comparing whole milk to fat free or reduced fat
> milk, you should also consider my five questions:
>
> 1. Taste. Whole milk tastes better, IMHO, as it is the fat
> that gives taste. Is giving up taste really necessary?

This is a mater of taste. I have been drinking skim milk for
eons and I find the taste wonderful. Since I like mile and
drink a lok of it, skim helps me minimize my fat. If I want
fat I have a nice peice of cake or pie.

> 2. Feeling of satiety. I couldn't find the satiety or
> fullness indexes for milk, but I guess a glass of whole
> milk will satisfy you more than the equivalent amount of
> [may I say "watery"? ;) ] nonfat milk. Thus, won't you
> end up drinking more nonfat milk than whole milk?

Aactully if works just the reverse for me. Whole milk tastes
like heavy cream so I can't get passed a sip.

> 3. Glycemic Index. If you want to keep GI low, I gather
> that whole milk is a better choice than skimmed milk,
> isn't it?

And if you body has no GI reaction?

> 4. Doesn't the fat content help absorption of fat-soluble
> vitamins and of minerals in milk?

I prefer to have better control of my fat and not the
fat in milk.

> 5. Composition of fat in milk. Yes, it is saturated fat. But
> not all saturated fats are equal.

And not all women are the same.

> I gather that short and middle chain saturated fatty acids,
> and stearic acid (18:0), are not *that* bad, are they?

I choose to not want the saturated fat. The fact that there
may be something else I'm missing is just fine

Next question. The answer seems so simple - drink skim milk it
has all the healthy stuff less the saturated fat. Of course if
someone thinks milk is bad for anyone passed age two even
though millions drink it in good health, there isn't much
anyone can do.

[Enrico C]

On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 00:18:56 GMT, Doug Freese wrote in
<news:Ql3nf.7113$Ys4.1535@twister.nyc.rr.com> on
sci.med.nutrition :

> "Enrico C" <use_replyto_address@despammed.com> wrote in
> message news:102zvmcw31714.dlg@news.lillathedog.net...
>>> And the point of this article is? It says its not
>>> banning milk alltogether, just the fattest milk, whats
>>> wrong with that?
>>
>>
>> I think that you can live drinking milk or not drinking
>> milk, depending on if you like it or not.
>
> Agree.

Ok.

>> But, when comparing whole milk to fat free or reduced fat
>> milk, you should also consider my five questions:
>
>> 1. Taste. Whole milk tastes better, IMHO, as it is the fat
>> that gives taste. Is giving up taste really necessary?
>
> This is a mater of taste. I have been drinking skim milk for
> eons and I find the taste wonderful. Since I like mile and
> drink a lok of it, skim helps me minimize my fat. If I want
> fat I have a nice peice of cake or pie.

Generally speaking it's the fat that gives taste. With no or
little fat, I guess you just taste the sugars in milk.

But you have got a point here, as taste is... a matter
of taste. :)

Thus, my question #1 changes to: *IF* you liked the taste
of whole milk, would you give it up for a supposedly
healthier diet? And, does the fat in a cup of whole milk
make you diet "unhealthy", or is it the overall balance of
nutrients in the diet?

>> 2. Feeling of satiety. I couldn't find the satiety or
>> fullness indexes for milk, but I guess a glass of whole
>> milk will satisfy you more than the equivalent amount of
>> [may I say "watery"? ;) ] nonfat milk. Thus, won't you
>> end up drinking more nonfat milk than whole milk?
>
> Aactully if works just the reverse for me. Whole milk tastes
> like heavy cream so I can't get passed a sip.

That proves my point, doesn't it? If you only had whole milk
left in your fridge, you would drink just a sip of it! ;)

>
>> 3. Glycemic Index. If you want to keep GI low, I gather
>> that whole milk is a better choice than skimmed milk,
>> isn't it?
>
> And if you body has no GI reaction?

Well, #3 is for those who do have! :)

>> 4. Doesn't the fat content help absorption of fat-soluble
>> vitamins and of minerals in milk?
>
> I prefer to have better control of my fat and not the fat
> in milk.

Ok, but what do you say about the specific question #4?

>> 5. Composition of fat in milk. Yes, it is saturated fat.
>> But not all saturated fats are equal.
>
> And not all women are the same.

That's it. You don't give up all of them because you had
troubles with one or two! ;)

>> I gather that short and middle chain saturated fatty acids,
>> and stearic acid (18:0), are not *that* bad, are they?
>
> I choose to not want the saturated fat.

I choose to not have to much. My favorite fat is extra virgin
olive oil, I eat much fish rather than meat, and so on... But
then, I can't see the point in aiming to a "zero saturated
fat" diet (unless for some specific health reason, maybe).

> The fact that there may be something else I'm missing is
> just fine

> Next question. The answer seems so simple - drink skim milk
> it has all the healthy stuff less the saturated fat.

Skimmed milk has somewhat more sugars, hasn't it?

> Of course if someone thinks milk is bad for anyone passed
> age two even though millions drink it in good health, there
> isn't much anyone can do.

Agreed.

--
Enrico C

* cut the ending "cut-togli.invalid" string when replying
by email *

[Doug Frees]

"Enrico C" <use_replyto_address@despammed.com> wrote in
message news:18ugjv1frvo1z.dlg@news.lillathedog.net...
>> This is a mater of taste. I have been drinking skim milk
>> for eons and I find the taste wonderful. Since I like mile
>> and drink a lok of it, skim helps me minimize my fat. If I
>> want fat I have a nice peice of cake or pie.
>
> Generally speaking it's the fat that gives taste. With no or
> little fat, I guess you just taste the sugars in milk.

In interesting question. My taste buds may not be
sophisdticated enough to tell if it's the overall flavor of
milk that I like or the sugars. I do know that I don't reach
for a glass of milk when I want a Snickers bar.

> Thus, my question #1 changes to: *IF* you liked the taste of
> whole milk, would you give it up for a supposedly healthier
> diet? And, does the fat in a cup of whole milk make you diet
> "unhealthy", or is it the overall balance of nutrients in
> the diet?

I have to go back an look up all the sat fat data and
I'm too lazy.

> That proves my point, doesn't it?

Not really it just proves that I have weaned myself from
the fat. I'd be willing to bet if I gave up skim milk I
could go back to drinking whole milk assuming I did not
mind the sat fat.

> If you only had whole milk left in your fridge, you would
> drink just a sip of it! ;)

Nope but not for your reason. ;)
>>> 3. Glycemic Index. If you want to keep GI low, I gather
>>> that whole milk is a better choice than skimmed milk,
>>> isn't it?
>>
>> And if you body has no GI reaction?
>
> Well, #3 is for those who do have! :)

This whole GI came to life with Sears' Zone. Then Atkins took
GI as the bane of all existence when the number of people that
are truly sensitive are very few(less the diabetes folks). It
makes great reading and when if battling extra weight it makes
a good dog to beat.

>>> 4. Doesn't the fat content help absorption of fat-soluble
>>> vitamins and of minerals in milk?
>>
>> I prefer to have better control of my fat and not the fat
>> in milk.
>
> Ok, but what do you say about the specific question #4?

It says I don't know and to be honest I don't care. I don't
mind doing reseach on what directly effects me but.....

>>> 5. Composition of fat in milk. Yes, it is saturated fat.
>>> But not all saturated fats are equal.
>>
>> And not all women are the same.
>
> That's it. You don't give up all of them because you had
> troubles with one or two! ;)

I keep a few around at all times. ;) My point the question is
too vague or better yet, too broad, and why I chose a
humorous answer.

> I choose to not have to much. My favorite fat is extra
> virgin olive oil, I eat much fish rather than meat, and so
> on... But then, I can't see the point in aiming to a "zero
> saturated fat" diet (unless for some specific health
> reason, maybe).

I agree, aiming for zero is not reasonable.

-DF