Main Difference between Atkins and Protein Power?

[JoAnnAtkin]

Hi,

I have been noticing that most of the dieters on this GREAT web site are on either Atkins or Protein Power or both!

Can someone tell me what the main difference is between the 2 diets? Or are they exactly the same?

I have the Dr. ATkins book, but don't know much about the Protein Power book.

I am curious ! I am trying to decide which of the low carb diets to begin the first of the year.

Any help would be appreciated! :D

:wave: :wave: Jo Ann in TEXAS trying to decide which one to choose :q: :q:

[razzle]

From memory only, so take this with a grain of salt:

Protein Power Phase I - 30 g carb, subtracting fibre

Atkins Induction - 20 g carb, not subtracting fibre

PP: minimum protein requirements, based on size, sex, and activity level

Atkins: none

PP on fat: advocates consumption of unsaturated fats and focuses somewhat on eiconsanoids

Atkins: no suggestions on fat

PP: strongly advocates weightlifting

Atkins: encourages exercise such as walking

HTH

[Atriana]

Joanne - check out the low carb comparisons link on the right hand side of the screen.
Some of the differences I've found are that PP doesn't put caffeine off limits - (as long as it doesn't effect your weight loss). PP also starts you out at a higher carb count, I think it is 30 as opposed to Atkins' 20. But, if you followed Atkins' OWL, within a couple of weeks you would be at the PP 30 grams of carb per day. Both plans allow you to deduct fiber from carb counts.

[alto]

I went from Atkins to Protein Power and, for me, there were two big differences: Protein Power MAKES you eat a certain amount of protein per meal. for me, it's quite high -- 6 ounces. (It's based on weight, height and gender.) Why does this matter? Because, on Atkins, it was NOT eating carbs that was the emphasis. So you could have a low protein meal. One of mine, when I was in the "I can't stand meat anymore!" phase was to saute zucchini slices and cover them with mozzarella cheese. I miss that on Protein Power.

On the other hand (in addition to what's already been said) Protein Power allows more carbs. I THINK we got a raise up to 40 a day in the new book (Protein Power Lifetime Plan). There's no Ongoing Weight Loss Program and no Induction. You do the same thing from day one to goal. AND you are allowed small amounts of fruit. You just can't go over 10 carbs in a meal.

[JoAnnAtkin]

Hi Razzle , Atriana, and Alto

Thank you so much for taking the time to respond to my questiond concerning the differences between Atkins and PP.

What I might do is.....do the Atkins for the first 2 weeks, strickly, then begin doing the Protein Power. Do ya'll think that might work ok?

Also, how do you subtract for Fiber? If something has 7 grms of carbs and 1 gram of Fiber..........it really only has 6 grams of Carbs. Is that correct????? :q: :q:

Thank you!
Jo Ann in TEXAS :wave:

[Susan19]

Hi Jo Ann,
I have read all three books (atkins, PP and PP lifeplan) and I think that protein power explains everything much, much better in terms of the science aspect of things. I also think that the PP books explain more clearly how to really implement this lifestyle on a daily basis. I just found the PP books to be more reader-friendly and accessible, so I would advise that you read them even if you do eventually decide to go Atkins.
Susan

[JoAnnAtkin]

:D Hi Susan,
Yes, I am reading everything I can get my hands on. However, I don't basically understand the medical scientific information found in any of the books. The main thing is that most people's blood work improves drastically after being on a low carb diet! Why? I couldn't tell you and really don't care, if I can get my blood work to look good! :D :D Don't you agree?

Could you explain the subracting for Fiber? I am not sure what that means?

Have you read the book "How I Got Off of My Low Fat Diet and Lost 40 Pounds! by Dana Carpender. I have been told by several people it is one of the best down to earth low carb diet books. However, the library doesn't have it. It is on Amazon........you might want to check it out there. There is about 9 samples pages for you to read there. I think you will enjoy it. :p

Thanks again for your response!

Jo Ann in TEXAS :wave:

[Atriana]

If an item has a total carb count of 7grams and lists fiber as 2 grams that item has an effective carb count (ECC) of 5 grams, (7-2=5)This is the number you use.

[JoAnnAtkin]

Hi Atriana,

Thank you so much for that information! That is coming from the Protein Power book. Right? I didn't remember the Atkins allowing that? So, I will take advantage of the foods with more fiber. :thup:

Thanks!
Jo Ann in TEXAS :wave:

[Atriana]

Actually it comes from both books. PP makes a big point about subtracting the fiber. The DANDR book has one paragraph. In the paperback version it is on page 285. The newly released Atkins book makes a bigger deal about subtracting the fiber. In fact the recipes at the back of the new one give you a total carb count along with a "digestible" carb count. The digestible is total - fiber.

[JoAnnAtkin]

Hello Atriana.........

That is good information concerning that the Fiber is helpful in lowering the count of the carbohydrates! :roll:

Thanks so much for informing me!

:wave: Jo Ann in TEXAS :wave:

[Marlaine]

One of the reasons that I've stuck with Atkins rather than change over to PP after hearing that fruit was allowed is that I'm afraid that fruit will set off cravings for me. I used to eat 6-8 fruits a day (BeforeLC). Fruit was my sugar fix. I have absolutely NO cravings on Atkins and this is for the first time in my adult life.

I think that there is a relationship between having difficulties with cravings and doing other than Atkins.

Just MHO.

Marlaine

[JoAnnAtkin]

Hi Marlaine,

My weaknesses are the BREADS, CRACKERS, PASTAS, those kind of carbs. The fruit would not bother me, I don't think.

How long have you been on the Atkins? Do you get tired of the same foods? Or are you able to be creative? :q:

I was on it for about 2 1/2 months and I must say I did fine while I was on it, but the minute I felt I was off of it.............I ate every loaf of bread I could get my hands on. THAT IS MY BIGGEST FEAR! I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT AGAIN!

Does anyone have suggestions to keep me from doing this again? :q:

Those who are maintaining their weight............are you sticking with the maintenance program in the book? I pray I will be able to do that this time. :rolleyes:

Any suggestions that I can get my mind set that I will not follow the same pattern which I did before, will be very much appreciative!!! HELP! :rolleyes:

Thank you for your responses!
Jo Ann in TEXAS scared to try again!

[Marlaine]

Originally posted by JoAnnAtkin
How long have you been on the Atkins? Do you get tired of the same foods? Or are you able to be creative?

I've been doing Atkins since September 12, 2001. Yes, I have times that I'm tired of what I'm eating and then I usually realize that I've been eating the same thing over and over so I go looking through the recipes here for inspiration. I have 'easy' meals that I do and I have meals that require more work and preparation. Some days I just want to grab food and run and others I want sit down meals with a place mat and the whole nine yards. Yes, I think the secret is taking time to be creative and remembering most important of all: <b> I'm worth it. </b>

If you take the time to read through some journals in the forum, you will find lots of success stories. Every lifestyle change and every pound off count as successes. Don't wait for goal weight to call yourself a success!!

Marlaine

[JoAnnAtkin]

You are so right! I am worth it and I must tell myself that!

Marlaine, have you had a doctor approve this diet for you?

Mine said NO WAY ! When I told him I wanted to go on the low carb. So, it does concern me.

Do you have any thoughts or have you heard anyone say that their doctor actually recommended them to go on the LOW CARB WOE ?

Your comments, as well as anyone else who might read this post, will be very much appreciated!

Thank you!

Jo Ann in TEXAS :wave:

[Marlaine]

Originally posted by JoAnnAtkin
You are so right! I am worth it and I must tell myself that!

Marlaine, have you had a doctor approve this diet for you?


Hey JoAnne!

Yes, as a matter of fact it was my Doc that recommended Atkins for me. I visited her once a week for about the first 6 weeks and now I'm going once a month to check in. I invite you to read my journal where you will get all of the details of my progress.

My X-husband is an MD and I put him through school, so I know that he only had two weeks of training on nutrition. Unfortunately it's not considered very important in the big scheme of things in the medical world. WHEN will the medical community wake up?

I think you can find all of the proof you need about this WOE right here in this forum. Just keep reading!! :daze:

Marlaine

[JoAnnAtkin]

I am so glad you told me your doctor advise you to go on it. How often do we need to get our blood work done to be sure we are doing the right thing to our body?

You are so right about doctors! Very few take the time out to learn anything above what they learned in school other than which BMW to buy or which golf course to join. LOL LOL

I don't suppose they are all like that............but with my experience with doctors........that is my opinon! LOL LOL

Thanks again for your help!
Jo Ann in TEXAS :wave:

[Marlaine]

Originally posted by JoAnnAtkin
How often do we need to get our blood work done to be sure we are doing the right thing to our body?

JoAnn...
My Doc did mine last June and then at the end of November, because I asked her to. She'd going to do it again in three months to make sure that everything is still going along as well.

I'm very pleased that this is her attitude because I really feel that at my age I need to be closely monitored. I have high blood pressure and both of my parents do. My father had his first stroke in his early forties and has had many since. I try to take care of my health. Getting my weight under control is the final step.

Marlaine

[JoAnnAtkin]

:wave: Hi Marlaine,
Have you seen any improvement on your blood tests? I have been doing the WW for the past 3 months and just wasnt' losing well at all. I just had the blood work and my cholestrol is up to 204. So, you see the BAD Carbs that I was eating on the WW was not helping my cholestrol. That is high for me!

So, I am surely hoping this low carbing will inprove my blood work. And I hope it does for you also. I will ask for more blood work when I get some of this weight off in a few months. :D

Marlaine, what supplements do you take for this particular diet. I take the normal One a Day Vitamin, C, Calcium, and E. What else do I need to add to this for this particular diet? I have been hearing Potassium?

Any suggestions will be helpful????? :q: :q:

Thank you very much!
Jo Ann in TEXAS

[liddle]

Jo Ann in Texas,
Unless you have a medical condition (like gout) I think this diet is the greatest. I really would not worry about what your DR. thinks. Most Dr's are afraid of change anyway. Which really makes me wonder why they choose the medical profession in the first place, there is always a new and exciting medical breakthrough. Anyway, my reason for trying Atkins came from my experience as a child. When I was in 6th grade my doctor put me on a LC diet. I had awful PMS and always had a yeast infection.

I lost a lot of weight and kept it off even after eventually adding carb foods again. (I remember loosing 20 lbs in a month.)

I was a child, no one could expect me to stay on it forever! That's a lot for anyone, especially a child!

My point being, if it was safe for a 6th grader, I think as an adult, you'll be fine.

[JoAnnAtkin]

Hello Liddle,

Thank you for your post. I completely agree with you about the physicians. Very few take the time to study up on new medical findings unless it is thrown right in their faces. :D LOL

I hope I can lose this 40 pounds and then maintain that weight.

Liddle, from the looks of your stats.........you have done very well. How long have you been on the Atkins? :q:

:wave: Jo Ann in TEXAS :wave:

[BaileyWS]

Originally posted by JoAnnAtkin
Do you have any thoughts or have you heard anyone say that their doctor actually recommended them to go on the LOW CARB WOE ?

Yes, my doctor was the one who brought up the idea that I consider a LC diet. She had been on Atkins herself -- after trying it to prove to a friend how it WOULDN'T work. She prefaced her recommendation with a CYA "I know the AMA doesn't recommend this, but ..." She suggested I read any of the the LC books, do the research and decide for myself before starting. It took me 6 months of thinking about it before I gave it a try.

We did the bloodwork right away ... and then again after 3 or 4 months. I have to say that I lost 40 pounds (in a little less than four months -- closer to 50 now), my blood sugar dropped, my blood pressure droped, but my bad cholesterol did rise dramatically ... At that time, I thought she'd tell me to change the diet ... she didn't ... the weight loss was such an advantage that the risk of high cholesterol was worth it. Instead she counseled me on choosing better fats to eat ... I'm not good at following it yet, but if I'm going to live this way forever, I will need to get healthier about the types of fats I'm eating.

By the way ... I'm also in Texas ... not too far away. At least I know where Conroe is ...

[liddle]

Jo Ann,
I started Atkins July of 2001. I've been stalled for months now. I just focus on how well I've done so far. At least that is what everyone in a stall is suppose to do. :rolleyes: But really, what is my alternative? This is the only diet that has ever worked like this. Last time I had to loose 30 lbs. it took me a yr! It only took 4 months to loose it this time (and I added another 9 lbs.)

Good Luck to you and your decision.
Heather

[Fattiegirl]

Hey, I just wanted to say that another difference is that PP says alcohol and caffeine are allowable in moderation. I don't think I would go the rest of my life without a bit of either of these so that's something I like!

[JoAnnAtkin]

I would like so much to thank all of ya'll for responding. It makes me feel so much NIT ALONE! :roll:

I am beginning either the between Christmas and Jan. 1! I am buying up on my foods.

What do you guys use for coffee cream if you cannot drink it black? Half and Half? That is the lowest I could find. Is that correct?

Thanks again for all of your help!
Jo Ann in TEXAS

[eleanor]

Hi!

I was at my doctor about a month ago and asked him his opinion of going vegetarian for weight loss. He's young and as my kids say "really cool" (teen daughters) and he suggested low carbing instead. I was doing great for a couple of weeks and then along came the holidays and I have really blown it. All the goodies and wine. I was concerned about Atkins and PP because my blood pressure was up and the other WOL is so ingrained in me I figured low carb would raise it. I had my blood pressure checked a couple of weeks into induction and it had gone down some. Tomorrow I go back to the doc and we shall see. I'm back on induction again and this time I intend to stay with it, besides I think I managed to finish all the cookies and fudge. Boy, it has made me feel sluggish too. Hope that helps make you feel a little more secure with low carbing.

Happy New Year!
Eleanor

[JoAnnAtkin]

Your post really uplifted me! :D I hope my blood pressure will eventually come down. I am on 2 medications now for it. \
My doctor is not "cool" and doesn't want to take the time to become "cool" by studying a little on this WOE.
You know as popular as the Atkins etc are, that every doctor would take the time to really make his decision about it. Even maybe try it himself?
Those doctors who just bluntly say NO don't do the Atkins, they have not studied up on it, in my opinon. I told my doctor I was doing it anyway and hopefully he will run more blood test in a few months, if my insurance allows?
Thanks again Eleanor for your helpful comment. I do feel more reassured!
By the way, I have been on the induction for 3 full days and I have lost 4.5 pounds, and I am already feeling more energy! Isn't that GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When you begin to see results, even though I know that is water, it still makes you want to KEEP TRUCKING as we say here in TEXAS . :roll: :roll: :roll:

Jo Ann in TEXAS

[eleanor]

All right Joann!

When I was faithful on induction the first two weeks I lost 8 1/2 lbs. I sure felt great!

I lived in Houston for eight years a while back. There's some really good eating down your way! But when we lived there I was at my skinniest...also much, much younger and pre-kid days.

Keep up the good work. I did have my blood work done before I started this, but my doctor said we'd check it again next year. By then I hope there will be a lot less of me and I won't be quite so nervous about it, my cholesterol was also elevated but not dangerously so. We'll just have to wait and see.

My doctor I had before we moved here (Traverse City, MI from the Detroit area, a year ago) also recommended Atkins. He was trying it himself, and really excited about it.

If you come up with a low carb bbq sauce let me know! It's something I've been craving.

Eleanor

[JoAnnAtkin]

I wish you all the luck in the world! I was at my wits end. I had done the Atkins two years ago and lost the weight but didn't follow the plan for maintanence and of course, gained the 25 pounds all back.
Thinking it was the fault of the Atkin's Diet, I went to WW, lost 25 pounds (starving by the way) and stopped going and quit following the maintanence plan and of course, gained that 25 all back and then some. :mad:
I realized then, it was not the particular diet I was on, it was me! I must learn to follow whatever maintanence plan that is provided with whatever Diet I choose to be on.
The one thing I remember about Atkins is the energy I felt on it which I DID NOT have on the WW plan. It was a good feeling to have energy to want to clean my house! :D
I hope and PRAY with God's help I can stay on this program, meet my goal, and then the main thing is to follow and stay on the maintanence program. I know that will be the hardest is the last thing..........the Maintanence program.
But, from all of the success stories here, I see others are doing it, SO I PLAN TO DO IT TOO! :D :thup:
Jo Ann in TEXAS :wave:

[Marlaine]

Just had to poke my head in and say hello to all of the ladies from Texas. I love that state and have visited Houston several times when I owned a quilt supply store and always had a wonderful time there. Sending a warm virtual hug to all of you!!

Marlaine

[bsayne]

You asked about cream for coffee...I use hvy unsweetened whipping cream...1C per TBL and I use it for my Hot Cereal also...Flax-O-Meal...I don't do the caffeine as my headachs have really reduced dramatically...although I do have a migraine as I type this now but it is most likely from the chinese buffet (MSG) in my veggies...we had for lunch...so I'll be paying for that for a while! Your in the right place so Keep up the great work and enjoy all the informative posts on this forum!

Happy New Year Yall'

Bsayne

[JoAnnAtkin]

I am wondering if creams are different???????? :confused:
The reason being, everyone tells me they use the heavy whipping cream for their coffee, and in my stores, here in TEXAS., the half and half is 2 Tablespoon =1Carb, whereas the whipping cream has 1 carb for only 1 Tablespoon.
So, in my case the half and half has the least carbs??? :confused:
Does anyone have a comment on that matter? :q:

JO Ann in TEXAS :wave:

[cosima22]

Hey Joanne,
One of the very very best things I got from this forum at the beginning was to go to www.fitday.com.

It is free, has a carb counter, will allow you to keep track of everything you eat, drink, exercise and a journal - all for free and I have really benefitted from it.

For me unless I have something to keep me honest - I will be cheating and not know it! Then I get frustrated and quit.

The carbs in 1/2 'n 1/2 are about 2 times more than for heavy cream - makes sense because 1/2 'n 1/2 has less fat.

Good luck! ;) :D

[JoAnnAtkin]

............but that is not the way my cartons read:

Half and Half 2 Tablespoons = 1 carb

Heavy whipping cream 1 Tablespoon = 1 carb

Maybe it is how they make the different brands. I am buying Walmart's brand of the half and half. I have to feel like it is the truth since it is on the label. That is the best I can do. I don't want to make this diet complicated................so I am going to go by the labels I find here at my stores. I am thinking some brands are different than others????????? :confused:

Jo Ann in TEXAS :wave:

[Karen]

That is the best I can do. I don't want to make this diet complicated

With taking on a new way of life, finding out all the information you can about products you can consume will give you tools you need to be successful. Questioning and researching gives you the power to make informed decisions.

Check the ingredients to see if there is dextrose or some other
-ose or any kind of starch is in it. Hidden carbs are everywhere! Here, Dairyland brand 33% whipping cream has dextrose and 36% does not. Manufacturers can have a lower fat content - makes it cheaper - while creating texture by using thickeners and sweeteners. If labels were always true, then Atkins bars wouldn't cause stalls in some people.

Always use an impartial source like the Low Carb Tools at the top of the page.

Karen

[Jo-Ann 2]

Hi
All three local companies put dextrose in their whipping cream here so I have been using coffee cream which is 18% our blend is only 10% up here. The labeling on products in Nova Scotia leaves a lot to be desired. I have noticed that we have come a long way as far as products availabe in the produce department but the low carb stuff hasn't arrived yet. Smaller population base I guess. It sure is great to have such a supportive group here, my weight watcher friend is even starting to look at my uplifted personality and wonder if low cal. is the answer for everyone she says that I always seem a lot happier and healthier when I'm low carbing. Now that I've found this site I really want to make this My Way Of Life. Thanks for all the info and support. :roll:

[PJ in Miam]

I read the Atkins book twice, the PP book twice, and am rereading the PPLP at the moment. Not that this was all in the last few days mind you, and I don't remember every detail.

But as far as the differences between them, in my opinion, it's not significant. On PP one _may_ get more protein and less 'bad' fats; on Atkins one _may_ lose weight more quickly (depends on the person, really). Their exact count suggestions for carbs and supplements etc. vary somewhat... not drastically... they are really pretty similar when you line it all up in context.

Kinda like a holy book... it's one idea. People interpret it differently. In practice, every individual's body is as unique as they are anyway, and the differences in programs blur if one is experimenting and adapting their habits to what their body responds best to.

Atkins works in cardiology primarily; his first focus is on weight loss and dropping blood pressure, as those are the things most threatening to his patients. The Eades appear to (I am not certain) work with a focus on insulin-related disorders and the like; their first focus is on regulating blood sugar and insulin response, as those are the things most threatening to their patients. It's essentially the same eating plan modified slightly for the "focus" each of them hold.

Just my opinion of course... free advice may be worth what ya pay for it.

Regards,
PJ

[JoAnnAtkin]

Your comment and opinon is worth a whole heck of a lot to me! I appreciate you taking your time to distinguish the two diets, in your opinon.

I have read some of each of the books and they kinda started to "RUN TOGEHTER" in my mind. So, I agree, the Atkins and the Protein Power are a whole lot alike. I plan to take the best of the 2 and combine them.

However, with as slow as I am losing on the Induction......I probably will stay with the Atkins 20 carbs until I lose at least 10-15 pounds, then I might start adding some carbs slowly. It appears that I might be one that is not going to be able to add too many more than the 20.

I am on my 11th day and I have only lost 5.5 pounds. Lost those all within the first 3 or 4 days, then now I am just DEAD LOCKED on the scales. I am hoping I might be losing inches instead......................HOPEFULLY? :confused:

Thanks again PJ, for your explanation between the two popular books! Either one obviously works.........one might move a little faster than the other, for some people. But, eventually, we will all lose, if we just stay with the program.

Jo Ann in TEXAS :wave:

[Lynniepooh]

I am looking for someone who can help me figure the correct amount of protein that I should be getting per meal. My calculations have come out very low.
Let me know if someone can help me. Thanks
Lynn

[Jkrohn]

Hi Joanne

I started the Protein Power Plan at the end of November and to this date am having GREAT success! But, in the beginning I like you was concerned for my overall health. I had been on many not so good diets in the past and this time wanted to do it right. So, before I started I took the informational packet to my Doctor.(This packet came with the protein power plan I ordered off an infomercial I saw late one night.) I gave her the time to read it then scheduled another visit to discuss her thoughts and feelings. Due to the amount of weight I need to lose (100 lbs) and the shape I was in she gave me the green light! Said she found absolutley nothing wrong with it. In fact she was a believer it was actually better than most diets she read about as it included "real" foods with "real" fats. You will find yourself eating more vegitables and salads and "healthier" foods than you ever did before. She told me the more we stay away from pre-packaged foos the better. They are packed with preservatives and additives our bodies don't need!

Go ahead! My doctor approves, she did however stress the water intake a must! Said it will help keep the kidney's working properly.

Good luck to you and your sucess!

Messy

[JoAnnAtkin]

..................thanks so much for your response and encouragement!
Good luck on your journey! :D
Jo Ann in TEXAS :wave:

[LAMA]

Hi Joanne,

Well I've been on a lc since before the new year. I'm having the same confusion about which one and I've been reading, rewatching the video, etc.

One difference that I haven't seen mentioned is that PP recommends that if you're doing the program to loose weight...guess that would be us...that you should be careful about the cream, cheese and nuts. The things that are very high in fat.

I lost 12 pounds the first two weeks and several inches. In the last two complete weeks I haven't lost any weight or inches. For that time I had been doing the Atkins diet. So I'm experimenting with this new idea of keeping the high fat down to see if it makes a difference.

In regards to your doctor, many med professionals are against the lc wol. You also have to remember that until recently most doctors haven't had any training in nutrution so they are really going on guidelines of the usda. Things are starting to change though especially after your doctor sees how good your doing in loosing weight and the difference in your blood counts. Many say what ever your doing keep it up!

I've also heard that people tend to stay on these diets longer and are more successful. I'm finding that my cravings are really gone and it seems pretty easy most of the time to eat this way. I even went on a business lunch that I thought would be awkward but it was fine :D

Either way you go is good. I'm pretty sure I'm switching to PP because the lower fat and little bit of extra carbs makes sense to me. It seems like more people are doing atkins though.

I wish you the best.

Laurie

[Jkrohn]

ARG! Laurie, HELP!!

I have been on PP since the end of November and I eat cheese A LOT!! Like, everyday. And nuts are my favorite snack (only 1/4 cup) but I still have them close to everyday.

Doing quite well! Lost 5 lbs just this past week :hyper: . Will this slow due to the cheese and nuts?? I don't loose 5lbs every week but since the beginning I have lost 2-3 lbs every week with no stalls :thup: ??

Please advise!

Thanks much and keep up the good work!

Messy

[LAMA]

Doing quite well! Lost 5 lbs just this past week. Will this slow due to the cheese and nuts?? I don't loose 5lbs every week but since the beginning I have lost 2-3 lbs every week with no stalls ??


He Messy,

You are doing great! :thup: I thought about it after I posted that the issue I was talking about really pertained to me and what seems to be a giant stall, either due to something I'm doing wrong or something that's not working right with Atkins so I'm experimenting to see controlling the fat a little more helps. But 2-3 pounds a week is exactly what they estimate. You're right on track girl! If it ain't broke don't fix it!

Laurie

[Jkrohn]

Thanks for the encouragement! I really need it. So far so good but since I'm far from being a pro I still get confused and need reassurance I'm doing it right. But, you're right I am loosing at a good pace. We'd all like it faster I'm certain. But we didn't put it (the weight) on overnight and we aren't going to take it off overnight!

Good luck to your in your continued success. The best thing I can suggest to get over the stall is step up the exercise. This always worked for me during prior dieting.

Stay strong it will happen!!!

Messy

[lisak17]

i have asked the same question in many forms and it seems as though i get different responses. i am doing the pp plan and my question concerns snacks.

first, are we allowed to have nuts (pistachios, almonds) as a snack. should i be eating the nuts with a piece of fruit?

second, are we allowed peanut butter for a snack? preferably on an apple (1/2)?

breakfast is easy: just eat eggs (maybe add some cheese or meat)

lunch is easy: just eat a salad with protein (chicken,turkey)

dinner is easy: protein with some vegis

its the snacks that i am having a difficult time with.

let me know if i am doing the snack thing right:

a.m. snack: a few strawberries
afternoon snack: handful of almonds and a tangerine
p.m. snack: 1/2 apple with peanut butter on it

help!! thanks so much. i love this web site.

[Karen]

I've placed all your questions and the answers to your questions in this reply just in case you've missed them.

What you are allowed to eat and not eat is up to you. You make up your own rules within low-carb guidelines. Some people don't eat peanut butter or peanuts, but if you want to, you can. Some people eat dairy, some don't.

I don't eat peanut butter, but that's because I've decided that it's not part of my program and I would rather use my carbs on vegetables instead of snacks. Everyone has their own rules.

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Question: I heard macadamian nuts and almonds are the best. My question is how many am i allowed to have at a time? also. are pistachios o.k.? i heard cashews are really bad. any info. on peanuts will be helpful. and another question? how do peanuts fit into the program?

Answer: How many you can eat depends upon how many carbs you want to eat in a day and whether or not nuts stall you.

There is a carb counter in Low Carb Tools in the orange bar, top of the page. It will give you the carb counts for different varieties of nuts.

Question: I understand we are suppose to be eating a lot of protein but my question is:

if i eat a piece of fruit for a snack (of course, a low carb fruit) - do i have to eat protein with it or can i eat it alone?

Answer: best to eat protein with it to moderate the insulin effect (re-read your chapter in PP on insulin for more info)

Question: so for example, if i eat a half of an apple or a tangerine, or some strawberries - should i eat peanuts or peanut butter with it?

Answer: Nope! Peanuts are a legume, not a nut. A better choice would be a piece of cheese.

Question: a legume? i thought we are allowed to eat pistachios, almonds, etc. i also thought peanut butter is allowed because it is high in protein. am i totally wrong?

Answer: As Karen pointed out, peanuts are not really nuts - they are legumes which is basically the bean family. So whether you can eat almonds and other nuts has no bearing on whether you can eat peanuts.

Although peanuts have a pretty low glycemic index, they do contain considerable carbohydrates - about 18% by weight. So you can probably eat them but be sure to include the carbs in your daily totals - don't let them become a major source of hidden carbs.

Karen

[doreen T]

Nuts are acceptable during phase 1 and 2 of PP. Be sure to account for the carbs. In PPLifeplan, the Eades recommend that you choose raw, unprocessed nuts, and either eat them raw or toast them at home. Commercial nuts are often roasted in partially hydrogenated oils.

You're allowed 10g ECC per meal, or 7g ECC per meal if you have planned a snack that contains carbs, and ECC per snack is limited to 5g. Half a small apple (2.75 inches diam.) has 11g carb/1.8g fiber ... so 9.2g ECC. That might fit with a meal if no snack is planned, and absolutely no other carb is eaten. There's too many carbs to be acceptable as a snack.

Peanuts are not true nuts, they're legumes. They are starchier and carbier than nuts such as almonds. Since we've already determined that apples are very carby in their own right, adding the carbs in peanut butter won't work. Peanut butter itself is fine as a snack, 2 Tbsp has 5g ECC. You might have it spread on a stalk of celery instead.

Minimum protein requirements are spelled out clearly on pp 92 - 97. For sedentary women, the minimum is 60g per day, divided between the meals. More may be consumed, and snacks, if eaten, should have some protein. There's 6g protein in one large egg. In order to meet the 20g per-meal requirement, you must supplement your 1 or 2 whole eggs with more egg whites, or meat or cheese or tofu in order to bring the protein content up. Check the charts on p 154. Two eggs is not enough.a.m. snack: a few strawberries
afternoon snack: handful of almonds and a tangerine
p.m. snack: 1/2 apple with peanut butter on itLets add up the carbs -a few strawberries - 3/4 cup = 5g ECC :thup:

handful of almonds and a tangerine - 1 oz almonds / 2g ECC + small tangerine / 9.5g ECC = 11.5g ECC:thdown:

1/2 apple with peanut butter on it - 14g ECC :thdown: 5 + 9.5 + 14 = 28.5g ECC

Hmmm ... since your day's allowance is 30g ECC you've basically used it up just in snacks. 3 eggs would put you over the limit.

pp 158 through 168 of Protein Power is an extensive listing of foods, fruits, grains, vegetables and their ECC, grouped conveniently in 5g increments. I suggest you use the book, and the menu and snack guidelines that are clearly written there. YOu won't go wrong :)

Doreen

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[lisak17]

thanks so much for your feedback. it still seems so confusing to me. maybe i should read the book again or get the new one - PP Lifeplan.

I am one of those people who is stuck in the idea of having 6 small meals. the problem is i think i am messing up because of the snacks (in between meals.)

can you give me some ideas of snacks that won't put me over my limit. and please include how to combine carbs and protein in snacks. if i am suppose to eat protein with carbs then how do i have a snack that contains both without putting me over my limit?
am i making sense?

thanks.

[bkcooper]

Originally posted by lisak17
I am one of those people who is stuck in the idea of having 6 small meals. the problem is i think i am messing up because of the snacks (in between meals.)

6 small meals doesn't sound like a problem. What you are EATING for those six meals may be a problem. Could you help us by posting yesterday's meals & snacks? (I am impressed that you have *time* for snacks with 6 meals! Could it be that you are not getting enough fat in your meals, and are thus hungry soon after?

[lisak17]

i can tell you today's meals because i made a few adjustments after going back to my pp book last night.

breakfast: 1 egg and 2 egg whites

a.m. snack: 1 oz. of cheese

lunch: salad with protein (turkey)

afternoon snack: handful of almonds and about 5 strawberries

dinner: chicken breast and broccoli

p.m. snack: celery with peanut butter (no sugar added)

**before i would eat strawberries for a.m. snack, tangerine and handful of almonds for afternoon snack and peanut butter on 1/2 apple for p.m. snack.

thanks for your help... how does that all sound?

also there was free pizza brought into work today which i did not touch - shouldn't i lose 5 pounds just for saying "no"

ha ha ha

[bkcooper]

Originally posted by lisak17
i can tell you today's meals because i made a few adjustments after going back to my pp book last night.

breakfast: 1 egg and 2 egg whites

a.m. snack: 1 oz. of cheese

lunch: salad with protein (turkey)

afternoon snack: handful of almonds and about 5 strawberries

dinner: chicken breast and broccoli

p.m. snack: celery with peanut butter (no sugar added)

**before i would eat strawberries for a.m. snack, tangerine and handful of almonds for afternoon snack and peanut butter on 1/2 apple for p.m. snack.

thanks for your help... how does that all sound?

also there was free pizza brought into work today which i did not touch - shouldn't i lose 5 pounds just for saying "no"
If not that, you get an extra 5 pounds of lean muscle willpower! Well done! I'm new here too, and still trying to figure out how the quoting works, so please forgive the jumble. Did you do the protin requirement calculation on pages 92-95? your protein looks really scanty, and not much good fat (Check a few pages further, pages 101-103)
A few people have mentioned ditching peanut (legume) butter, which can be replaced by almond (nut) butter (100% ground almonds)
Good luck!
Kipling

[donnaj]

JoAnne, Hi. My doctor aprrove of it and even wrote a prescribtion while in the hospital for my low carb WOE. The dietian had to come and ask me what food I could have but only the last day of my hospital visit. So for one solid week I ate very little. I even had friends bring in hamburgers and cheese sticks. My sister just had triple bi-pass surgery and she went on Atkins in Dec.01 and her doctor is so please with her blood reports that she has started recommending it for other patients. So, let your bloodwork show how this WOE/WOL is working for you and he/she will finally be convince.
Donna :wave:

[EveLee]

JoAnn in Texas . . . Great information here! Thanks for the original post. It's been hard for me to remember all of the differences, too.

Re: the doctor . . . My doctor also said NO. And, that affected my ability to stay on the eating plan. For 3 years I have been on and off. The first time on for 8 mos, I lost a small amount of weight and then gained back twice as much. Since then, I have been on and off trying all of the varieties, and I have been gradually losing. This past year, I have lost 18 lbs.

I have added some exercise and walking. I feel so much better. For me, what works best is protein, green vegs, some whole grain and fruit.

A recent experience I had is that I no longer look forward to the time off, I consider it an interruption that I don't like. It doesn't feel good.

I'm not a big cook, but I have learned to make some rather creative dishes that I like. Even desserts.

The best part is that over the years, I have reduced my cholesterol, triglycerides and blood pressure. Yes, I am taking drugs to assist, but so was I before. My triglycerides have gone from 617 to 219. What a drop! That makes sense because they are a result of carbs. My cholesterol has dropped from 280 to 230. My blood pressure is now perfect.

So, I'm not doing anything perfectly, but I am getting healthier. I feel better. I can tie my shoes without throwing up from the pressure.

I can now remember the active, energetic person that I was.

[Wendye]

EveLee

Congrats on your progress - I am also happy to be able to dothe shoe-lace tieing thing - andI can see the weight onthe scales without looking like the leaning tower of pizza.

Glad to hear about your blood results - surely your doctor will be having second thoughts about his views???

You may like to read my poem in the main forum. "The diet that none can beat!"

keep on keeping on.

[EveLee]

Hi . . . Thanks for your kind words. I am just so grateful for improved health and functioning.

It has recently occurred to me that I have a choice between healing my mind and maintaining a symptomatic body. I just think the two are so connected.

I started to get cranial-sacral therapy. It's a healing of the energy of our body, specifically, the chakras. This is so exciting. It is triggering a lot of old memories and stirring up my unfinished emotional issues. But, this is good because it gives me a chance to heal around them.

My throat has been such a site of difficulty. Psychics have told me over the years there is a message that needs to be spoken. Then, the therapist for the cranial work said there is great blockage in the area of the throat.

Since getting these treatments, the sun shines brighter. I am speaking things that need to be said. Don't get me wrong; I have always said more than anyone else. But, somehow, this different. I don't feel like I'm an instigator, I feel like I'm freeing myself from my own personal prison.

A friend said to me, you can grow a halo or you can grow a tumor. Which do you choose? I think I want the halo.

Anyway, thanks for listening. Good luck to you, also.

[Wendye]

Yes, thumbs up to the h alo!!

[lucky1]

JoAnn, my doctor actually SUGGESTED I try Atkins (or similar plan) on January 2, 2003. I was concerned because I was afraid it would be bad for my kidneys, afraid of all that fat, etc., the same old rap we hear from everybody. She suggested that she monitor my labs and that I go ahead and try it.

This LC WOE seemed like my only solution, since both of my parents (and sibling) are insulin dependent and my mom had to go through the diabetic descent into cardiac-related disabilty, blindness, kidney failure, and death because I believe she had the same problem of insulin resistance early on that I do now. Unfortunately, she just kept trying to do better at the low-fat, high carb diet until she died last year. I wish she'd had access to the LC solution offered to us.

Three weeks after seeing my doctor I've read 3 books on LC eating, bought several cookbooks, found GREAT support on this site, and lost 7 pounds as a great start to my LC journey. Most importantly, I have no cravings, no chasing insulin crashes with sugar, and for the first time in my life I feel only mildly interested in food. This is a miracle for me. I walked 7 miles yesterday and worked out at the gym and had energy to spare.

The more I read in both the scientific journals and in the popular press LC books, I've become utterly convinced that hyperinsulinemia is my underlying problem (this is supported by my own blood glucose monitoring). Wish I'd understood that 20 years ago, but I'm glad I understand it now.

I think I never would have tried LC unless my physician suggested it. I was so thoroughly indoctrinated with the low-fat, high-carb dogma that my mind was not open to LC eating at all.


Lucky me. Lucky us.

[cgar]

I was in the hospital recently. My doctor and GI Specialist both worked with me to keep me on Atkins. The DIETARY DEPT came up to talk to me about my diet and allowed me to order as close to Atkins as I could.

It was a good experience.

[fabton]

Here some nice little story about the attitude of docs to low carb:
I've always had borderline high blood-pressure and although not VERY active last summer I walked to work every day (20 minutes one way), but ate 'normal' veggy food and A LOT of sugar stuff.
Then I twisted my ankle and was barely able to walk for about 8 weeks.
Decided to try to eat some more protein and cut down on the carbs.
Went to the doc to get a check up on my ankle and the bloodpressure.
Which was FINE for the first time in a long while.
Told the doc about the low carb and she flipped and said: 'only excercise will reduce bloodpressure'. I only pointed to my busted ankle and my crutches....

[glennstg]

My doctor is totally supportive of my going low-carb. I see him every three months because I'm on thyroid meds. Since I started low-carbing (Protein Power), I've dropped over 120 pounds, dropped from a waist size 56 to a 46, my blood pressure is down, my heart rate is down, my blood chemistry has normalized... Hard to argue with results. :spin:

[Shadow01]

glennstg: WOW - what a fantastic journey you have been on!!! Congratulations on all of the hurdles you've leaped thus far. Truly an awesome success story :) ! And welcome to the forum :cool:

[2much2g1]

You were where I am...that gives me hope.
How long did it take?
Do you excersize?
I started with the Grapefruit diet for 2 weeks and felt abig difference.Then I started the Atkins Plan but dont feel the same .I am considering going back on the Grapefruit diet but thought I would check out PP first .I actually have the PP books but lent them to my daughter befor I had a chance to read them.
I have read Atkins though.
My doctor thinks low carbing is great and is behind me 100%
I need to find something that I can stick to,lose weight and feel like I am losing.(I cant weigh myself because the scale at the doctors doesnt go high enough...)
Anyway, enough of this! I am starting to depress myself lol
;)

[glennstg]

Originally posted by 2much2g1
You were where I am...that gives me hope.
How long did it take?
Do you excersize?


I started Protein Power on July 2, 2002, weighing in at about 425 with a 56-inch waist. Yesterday I weighed in at 266, waist size 46. My only real exercise is my daily walk to and from work. I work within walking distance of where I live, takes about 15 minutes each way. So five days a week I'm getting in a 1/2 hour of walking.


I started with the Grapefruit diet for 2 weeks and felt abig difference.Then I started the Atkins Plan but dont feel the same .I am considering going back on the Grapefruit diet but thought I would check out PP first .I actually have the PP books but lent them to my daughter befor I had a chance to read them.


IMO, the original PP book is the best. I picked up PP LifePlan from the library, and I wasn't overly impressed, as it didn't really add anything new.

[acohn]

Let me add my hearty congratulations, Glenn!

Although a LC-diet may be comfortable for us in the bodily sense, it still takes a huge commitment of time to make one's food, and discipline to combat the internal whisper "I bet that <put your favorite off-limits food here> would taste great right now!"

So, three cheers to you!

[ouch]

wow, glenn, that is truly phenomenal! what a complete and total lifestyle change you've gone through!

I have been doing atkins since January, and have been stalled since February. I've been so close to giving up so many times! I think I may just need a different approach, so I think I'll go and buy the PP book and read it this weekend.

thanks for the puch!!
:)
O

[Lowlie]

Hi Jo Ann!

TX here too :D , and I am new to the forums and to a LC WOL but if it makes you feel any better....I just went in for my annual gyno exam and one of my goals for the next year is to become pregnant. My doc said that weight is a big concern before the hubby and I take the big step and she suggested Atkins specifically, which made me feel tons better :) . She said she does Atkins also (and she is very fit and trim) and that she feels it is medically sound. Just thought I would throw it in here for good measure. Good luck on whatever route you decide on!

[pushka]

Hi everyone, and congratulations to you all on your weight losses/changes in lifestyle...I hope to be as successful as you all eventually.
I asked a question on another part of this forum, about eating out on a holiday to London which I have planned in a week's time. I am vegetarian and will have just completed my induction. Somebody suggested I try PP. please can you tell me whether or not bread or any of the other no-go carbs..pasta, rice, potatoes, is allowed? I'm afraid of finding myself back at the bed and breakfast in the evenings hungry and without any of my usual chilled snacks available...(i dont think they would allow me to fill their fridge with my salad/meat subs.) Also I booked the hol before I went on this diet and the breakfast is gonna be 'continental' so assume it will be full of bread!!!
Any suggestions please????

Michele

[Kristine]

Hello. :wave: No, those things generally aren't allowed. You can "save up" your carb count and eat those things occasionally, but it's not recommended. I think you're far better off to stick to Atkins, and just try to do your best to choose lower carb, lower glycemic foods wherever possible. The main difference between Atkins and PP here is that you're allowed a slightly higher carb level initially than on Atkins, but they emphasize low carb veggies, fruit, nuts, etc for those carb sources, just like Atkins.

I wish I could recommend a solution. :daze: Enjoy your holiday, whatever you decide.

[caligrrl]

I'm on Atkins, but I read the Protein Power Lifeplan book and loved it. Added a lot of useful nutritional information.

[pushka]

thank you for your advise...I was hoping that your reply would encourage eating some fruit..have to go on the look out for the low carb ones now...and nuts!!! delicious haven't had one since induction started...:)
But I promise to be careful and try to pick only the 'good' ones, and only small amounts...
I'm sure I will make this holiday work, thanks :)

Michele

[Lanny]

I raise my hat to you GLENN... :clap: your really amazing....you sure know the meaning of: when there is a will there's way...

2much im sure you can do it too cause your on your way too...way to go both of you...


:wave: