for Monty- dry skin

[Lian]

I avoid unsaturated fats, and as expected my skin has become
extremely dry. Of-course, this is no reason to stop avoiding
unsaturated fats, compared to the advantages I might get from
this avoidance.

However, I need to ease the dryness problem, because my skin
is cracking.

I don't want to use synthetic creams made from petrochemicals.
I tried to spreading coconut oil on my skin, but it does not
get absorbed into the skin, which remains oily, and instead my
clothing absorb it and it is wasted.

I would like to know, since you also avoid unsaturated fats,
and wrote once, that you had dry skin, how you deal the
problem? and also:
- What natural substance I can use, which will be absorbed
by my skin.
- or is there is something to do with the coconut oil, so it
will be absorbed.
- or is there another solution (for example something I can
eat or other systemic things)

thanks

[Mmu]

"lian" <liat222@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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>I avoid unsaturated fats, and as expected my skin has become
>extremely dry. Of-course, this is no reason to stop avoiding
>unsaturated fats, compared to the advantages I might get from
>this avoidance.
>
> However, I need to ease the dryness problem, because my skin
> is cracking.
>
> I don't want to use synthetic creams made from
> petrochemicals. I tried to spreading coconut oil on my skin,
> but it does not get absorbed into the skin, which remains
> oily, and instead my clothing absorb it and it is wasted.
>
> I would like to know, since you also avoid unsaturated fats,
> and wrote once, that you had dry skin, how you deal the
> problem? and also:
> - What natural substance I can use, which will be absorbed
> by my skin.
> - or is there is something to do with the coconut oil, so it
> will be absorbed.
> - or is there another solution (for example something I can
> eat or other systemic things)
>
> thanks
>

In the beginning of the internet some clever guy came up with
an astounding idea how to transmit a message to another guy on
the internet.. he called it email.. maybe you would like to
think about that concept? A bulletin board system is not the
next best option.

[Montygram]

My skin was in bad shape before avoiding dietary PUFAs, but as
I said in another post, you should drink more. Tropical fruit
juice with no additives, white teas, lighly roasted coffee, or
club soda are good. I've been using coconut oil as a skin
moisturizer, giving up the other stuff I've used, like aloe
vera, etc., and it works great.

>From the Encyclopedia Britannica Book of the Year, 1948,
>page 121:
"Pyridoxine was found to relieve the deficiency state
resulting from absence of dietary fat... This contradicts the
idea that linoleic acid cannot be synthesized by by rat
tissues..."

So you might want to make sure you are getting enough of this
B vitamin. But it is true that you will no longer be "greasy."
You can go for days without taking a shower, actually, as long
as you don't do any strenous physical activity. You will not
smell bad, because there won't be much lipid peroxidation.
Again, it's a benefit - there is no deficiency, and you avoid
the "chronic diseases."

[Montygram]

I don't use coconut oil on anything but my face, because
there's no problem anywhere else.

[Proctologi]

Oh please no..... I really wanna hear this!!

I actually read Monty's stuff w/ interest, and don't want to
be prematurely combative. But goddamm, "I've eliminated PUFAs,
and now my skin is cracking...." Izzat just mebbe perhaps a
CLUE to sumpn????? But he did say, "as expected"...

I guess if the hair starts falling out, toupes are always an
option. :)

Without going into details at this point, Monty does make some
good points, and even the 1989 RDA does some hedging on EFAs,
but are pretty unambiguous about their essentiality/deficiency
symptoms--the same NRC that Monty cites, btw.

But w/ things like dryness, cracking skin, etc., where there's
smoke there's fire, generally speaking. Other vit def's yield
similar symptoms, and you would never even *begin* to think
that that would be "OK", toward some "more healthful cause".

I think one of the mistakes being made here is taking
"research" too literally, and/or giving it too much credit.
Half this research is bullshit to begin with, the other half
is super-super specific and likely far afield of the contexts
we would *like* to put it in. There is mebbe .01 of 1% of
"research" that really means anything. The goodol' days of
good science are long gone. Doesn't mean good shit isn't being
done today, but most of it is buried within the "industrial
complex" for future profit-making potential.

Dudn't mean Monty is wrong.... but I think he's got a very big
garden to hoe--a PUFA-free garden, of course. <g>
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Mr. P.V.'d formerly Droll Troll "MMu" <brilhasti@gmx.net>
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>
> "lian" <liat222@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:11-
> 31099402.253012.275780@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>I avoid unsaturated fats, and as expected my skin has become
>>extremely dry. Of-course, this is no reason to stop avoiding
>>unsaturated fats, compared to the advantages I might get
>>from this avoidance.
>>
>> However, I need to ease the dryness problem, because my
>> skin is cracking.
>>
>> I don't want to use synthetic creams made from
>> petrochemicals. I tried to spreading coconut oil on my
>> skin, but it does not get absorbed into the skin, which
>> remains oily, and instead my clothing absorb it and it is
>> wasted.
>>
>> I would like to know, since you also avoid unsaturated
>> fats, and wrote once, that you had dry skin, how you deal
>> the problem? and also:
>> - What natural substance I can use, which will be absorbed
>> by my skin.
>> - or is there is something to do with the coconut oil, so
>> it will be absorbed.
>> - or is there another solution (for example something I can
>> eat or other systemic things)
>>
>> thanks
>>
>
> In the beginning of the internet some clever guy came up
> with an astounding idea how to transmit a message to another
> guy on the internet.. he called it email.. maybe you would
> like to think about that concept? A bulletin board system is
> not the next best option.
>

[Mr-Natural]

lian wrote:
> I avoid unsaturated fats, and as expected my skin has become
> extremely dry. Of-course, this is no reason to stop avoiding
> unsaturated fats, compared to the advantages I might get
> from this avoidance.
>
> However, I need to ease the dryness problem, because my skin
> is cracking.

Hello!

Anybody home? Are you nuts, or what?

Yeah, ... right, ...sure: Just because your skin is starting
to die and fall off your body is no reason to doubt
Montygram's advice.

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

Where do these rubes come from?

[Lian]

Is there is some fat I can eat that won't harm me, and still
contribute to my skin greasiness/moisture? w-9 (olive, sesame
oil ) or else?

I did like the greasines on my skin when I was eating
unsaturated fats, and as far as I am concerned I should be
very greasy! But I don't want the inflammatory/'biochemical
instability' of them.

[Montygram]

"I don't think there is a skin condition that coconut oil
can't help... Pacific Islanders have a tradition of applying
coconut oil to their skin from head to toe every morning."
From: Bruce Fife's book, Coconut Cures, pages 156-157.

I guess that's how you get that greasy feeling you desire.
Personally, I'd rather be on the dry side. There are old
ethnic slurs about greasiness involving those who eat lots of
olive oil, and if you can get your olive oil analyzed so that
you know it's high quality, then you could try that (but don't
cook it while exposed to air), or you could eat lots of
organic, purplish olives. You will have to try different
things until you find what works. It will depend on other
factors too - fluid intake, as I mentioned, for exmaple, seems
to play a big role (at least for me). You might also see that
your blood pressure is a bit lower if you avoid omega 6s
especially.

If you stick with olives/olive oil, you won't have to worry
about arachidonic acid, assuming you avoid omega 6s in the
other foods you eat, so that seems be best for you, though
once you get used to it, you feel much cleaner without the
grease (and your clothing will thank you).

If you look at old pictures and paintings, the people don't
look the way they do now, for the most part (gluttons like
Henry VIII are exceptions). They are much less "puffy"
looking and don't have that sheen of grease that so many
people do today.

[Lian]

thanks. yes, you are right about old pictures.

But something still concerns me about olives/olives oil. I
read that w-9 contributes nothing to the body (meaning it's
not "essential").

So I want to know, from *molecular* perspective, and not skin
perspective: what w-9 (assuming its best quality olives
themself, and no heating. etc) contribute to the body?

I dont' won't to consume it just for the skin (for this I wil
suffice with topical oils), but only if it good for my all
body. the "within" of my body is more important to me then
greasiness yes or no of my skin.

[Lian]

wants to put in other words: Given I will eat the olives
themselves (organic, best quality), so there is no issue of
processing/refining/heating/outer oxidation, what are their
benefits to the body?

[Lian]

Skin dryness concern me, cause it's deepening my wrinkles (I'm
a woman with thin skin).

What is your opinion of GLA ? Does taking GLA capsules
(evening primrose or borage) is bad as w-6 and AA? Again, if
it's harmful, I definitely won't take it just for sake the
skin appearance.

[Montygram]

You will destroy you skin with PUFAs. The "essential fatty
acid" stuff is TOTAL nonsense, or worse, because dietary PUFAs
are so dangerous. Search for montygram here and read my posts
about this scam. GLA is just not as dangerous as AA. It's a
long, technical story that you probably don't want to hear,
but it's not going to help your skin at all, except in the
context of being less dangerous than AA.

You should take gelatin supplements, or just buy gelatin at
your local super market. There are brands that say they are
for better skin, and on this rare occasion, the supplement
makers are correct. But remember, if you take the wrong kind
olive oil, you will be doing harm - that's why I said eat the
purplish olives (stay away from the black ones), rather than
use the oil. Use fresh coconut oil on your face. If you don't
get the omega 6s/3s out of your cells, you will get terrible
wrinkles. Remember, saturated fatty acids have a firming
quality - they pack together tightly and don't cause free
radical damage to skin cells, but the PUFAs do. Let your body
make its own PUFAs as it sees fit. You should also take
pregnenolone supplements if you are in your mid 30s or older,
and eat the other things I mentioned: whole milk,
non-homogenized dairy, berries and other fruit, dark
chocolate, coconut products, boiled eggs, etc. Do not eat
prepared food that has dairy or eggs listed, because then you
will be ingesting oxidized cholesterol. You can make quick
breads with hardly any fat (just spread a little coconut oil
on the pan to prevent sticking) and no cholesterol. Drink
white tea, lightly roasted coffee, club soda/seltzer, or
tropical fruit juice with no additives. Take calcium and
magnesium in the citrate forms and also some vitamin D. Small
amounts of B complex are a good idea, and perhaps small
amounts of copper as well.

[Ommanipadm]

In article
<1131303730.048003.239450@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"lian" <liat222@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Skin dryness concern me, cause it's deepening my wrinkles
> (I'm a woman with thin skin).
>
> What is your opinion of GLA ? Does taking GLA capsules
> (evening primrose or borage) is bad as w-6 and AA? Again, if
> it's harmful, I definitely won't take it just for sake the
> skin appearance.
>

Seriously.

Take HGH injections if you can afford it and if you can
get an Rx.

It has literally worked MIRACLES for the skin of my 73 year
old housemate! Even the Dr. commented on it a couple of days
ago. She had not seen him for one year. His skin is thicker,
smoother and no longer gets huge bruises with every cut and
scrape like was happening when we started. We have changed
nothing else.

We give him one IU twice per week is all rather than the 0.5
IU per day that is the usual.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a
son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

[Mmu]

"lian" <liat222@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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>I avoid unsaturated fats, and as expected my skin has become
>extremely dry. Of-course, this is no reason to stop avoiding
>unsaturated fats, compared to the advantages I might get from
>this avoidance. However, I need to ease the dryness problem,
>because my skin is cracking.

Did you consider that your skin is the biggest and most
effective defense system against all kinds of viruses,
bacteria, fungi and so forth and that this very defense is
going to hell because you believed the words of a total
nutcase off the internet who makes you believe he knows what
he is talking about?

He is neither a doctor nor does he have any degree in
chemistry, biochemistry, pharmacy or anything in that area. I
hope you really are just montygram's alter ego.

[Montygram]

If you read Bruce Fife's book, Coconut Cures, he addresses all
the issues. I don't know who MMu is or what his credentials
are, but I address the points he makes in a scientific way,
not by name calling. That is his "MO," not mine (though I do
like to throw in a joke now and then). By MMu's logic, we
should all eat loads of coconut oil, because Mary Enig, one of
the leading fatty acid experts in the world (she has the
credentials), says that we should do so (as does biochemist
Ray Peat and others, like the Ottobonis), but I think for
myself, and I also try things out for myself, and make
observations. If these criticss were correct, I would not be
alive now, 4 years after avoiding all major sources of omega
3s and 6s. It is impossible for them to be correct (the
literature says that I should have experienced "deficiency
symptoms" within 3 weeks), and what's even more ridiculous,
the evidence they cites demonstrates the opposite of what they
say it does. Then there is the raw demographic data, which
shows that those who eat large amounts of coconut oil have
near zero "chronic disease" (the Coconut Cures book has some
good citations there, but you can just review the data on the
WHO web site). If you think for yourself, you will see how
silly (and dangerous) their claims are.

[nospam]

Do you have any preferences as to the best kind of coconut
oil to buy.

Ora

[Mmu]

"montygram" <nazztrader@lycos.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> If you read Bruce Fife's book, Coconut Cures, he addresses
> all the issues.

I base my opinions on actual scientific studies and the
primary literature, not on a book written purely for profit.

>I don't know who MMu is or what his credentials are, but I
>address the points he makes in a scientific way, not by
>name calling.

No, you don't. Otherwise we would already have had a good
exchange of arguments. You post you half-truths and
bend-together theories and as soon as you points are
criticized you run. You don't address any points.

> That is his "MO," not mine (though I do like to throw in a
> joke now and then). By MMu's logic, we should all eat loads
> of coconut oil, because Mary Enig, one of the leading fatty
> acid experts in the world (she has the credentials), says
> that we should do so (as does biochemist Ray Peat and
> others, like the Ottobonis),

You didn't read properly. I never mentioned coconut oil in
my post or do you see it somewhere? So much for "addressing
my points".

If lack of w3 and w6 PUFA makes your skin dry and cracking my
recommendation is not to eat coconut oil but to normalize the
w3 and w6 levels until dry skin disappears- was that so hard
to read out?

>but I think for myself, and I also try things out for myself,
>and make observations.

the wrong observations unfortunately.. and that is because you
were never trained as a scientist and don't know the basics
behind it all.

> If these criticss were correct, I would not be alive now, 4
> years after avoiding all major sources of omega 3s and 6s.
> It is impossible for them to be correct (the literature
> says that I should have experienced "deficiency symptoms"
> within 3 weeks), and what's even more ridiculous, the
> evidence they cites demonstrates the opposite of what they
> say it does.

Again wrong. The literature says that if you leave out all
sources of w3 and w6 you will become deficient.

You listed pieces from your diet a few times and it DOES
contain both w3 and w6 oils.

If you want to make a point that you are indeed "deficient"
(as you would quote) why don't you apply scientific method to
your claim and make a simple blood test to proove that your
mead acid levels really are elevated?

That is the way science works you know.. a theory, an
experiment, a proof or no proof.

> Then there is the raw demographic data, which shows that
> those who eat large amounts of coconut oil have near zero
> "chronic disease" (the Coconut Cures book has some good
> citations there, but you can just review the data on the WHO
> web site). If you think for yourself, you will see how silly
> (and dangerous) their claims are.

There is also demographic data that those who consume plenty
of fish oil during their natural diet (the japanese) have the
longest lifespan on earth.

[Cd]

If i missed it sorry for the repeat, but I haven't seen anyone
mention drinking more water for dry skin. It can make huge
difference.

The typical person gets 20 to 1 (or more) omega 6s to 3s. It
should be way closer to 1:1. 6's are inflammatory - 3s anti.
As many ailments are caused by inflammation cutting the 6s is
important. Adding more 3s in the form of a GOOD fish oil, 9s
and 7s in the form of Olive or Macadamia oil is not only good
for the skin but many other issues.