Dietary factors / incidence of type 2 diabetes

[Ironjustic]

<<snip>> heme-iron significantly positively correlated with
the incidence of type 2 diabetes <<snip>>

J Nutr Sci Vitaminol (Tokyo). 2005 Aug;51(4):292-310. Links

Effect of dietary factors on incidence of type 2 diabetes: a
systematic review of cohort studies.

Murakami K, Okubo H, Sasaki S.

Department of Food and Nutritional Sciences, Graduate School
of Nutritional and Environmental Sciences, University of
Shizuoka, Japan.

We systematically reviewed cohort studies on the effect of
nutrient and food intake (except for alcohol) on the incidence
of type 2 diabetes, which had been published in English as of
May 2004. Using the MEDLINE (PubMed) database as well as
reference lists of searched papers, 15 individual cohort
studies (a total of 31 papers) were identified. The number of
subjects (n= 895-85,060), follow-up length (5.9-23 y), the
number of diabetes cases (n= 74-4,085), dietary assessment
method used (simple food questionnaire, food frequency
questionnaire, food frequency interview, diet history
interview, and 24-h recall), and method of case ascertainment
(questionnaire, oral glucose tolerance test, fasting glucose
level, death certificate, and nationwide registry) varied
among studies. For nutrients, intakes of vegetable fat,
polyunsaturated fatty acid, dietary fiber (particularly cereal
fiber), magnesium, and caffeine were significantly inversely
correlated and intakes of trans fatty acid and heme-iron,
glycemic index, and glycemic load were significantly
positively correlated with the incidence of type 2 diabetes in
several papers. For foods and food groups, several papers
showed significantly decreased risk for type 2 diabetes with
the higher consumption of grain (particularly whole grain) and
coffee, and significantly increased risk with processed meat
consumption. Because all the studies were carried out in
Western countries, however, research in non-Western countries
including Japan is needed.

PMID: 16262005 [PubMed - in process]

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[outsor]

Very good, now let us tease out some of the particulars. In
other studies, no doubt included in this survey, it was iron
from red meat but not fish or poultry that made the
difference, the mention of processed meats reflects this risk
factor. Other studies show it is saturated fat and highly
processed carbohydrates which relate to higher risk for
diabetes, which is another way to say less saturated animal
sources such as fish and poultry don't. The study to which
referring also showed that lowering iron by bloodletting had
no effect on risk and that total iron neither. So this broad
overview study doesn't show the detail because not all studies
covered asked the same questions. What we can say is that
saturated fat sources and refined grains etc. are risk factors
for diabetes. What we can say in addition is that iron doesn't
cause diabetes but the package in which it often comes
includes saturated fats does. We can also that refined grains
and other refined sources of carbohydrates adds to the risk
level and both the fat and carbs are reflected in this
overview study. Good job, glad you brought it to our
attention.

[Ironjustic]

>>
In other studies, no doubt included in this survey, it was
iron from red meat but not fish or poultry that made the
difference, <<

Actually .. I've noticed .. ONLY .. one study .. mentioning ..
RED meat ..

Show me .. two ..

Otherwise .. refrain from stating you have .. MORE .. than one
article / study ..

I can show you a .. few .. which mention .. ONLY .. heme iron
..

But you already .. KNOW .. that ..

Don't ya ..

THAT is the REASON you are NOW attempting to say you DO have
.. more .. than the one article you have been repeatedly
trotting .. out ..

Eh ..

Can't ..cut it .. lie ..

Par ..

How's .. that .. feeeeeellllll ..

Heh .. heh ..

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[outsor]

"Actually .. I've noticed .. ONLY .. one study .. mentioning
.. RED meat ..

Show me .. two ..

Otherwise .. refrain from stating you have .. MORE .. than
one article"

Here are four quick ones:

1. Conclusions: Our data indicate that higher consumption of
total red meat, especially various processed meats, may
increase risk of developing type 2 diabetes in women.

2. Conclusions: Heme-iron intake from red meat sources is
positively associated with the risk of type 2 diabetes.
Total iron intake, heme-iron intake from non-red meat
sources, and blood^ donations are not related to the risk
of type 2 diabetes.

3. RESULTS: The prudent pattern was characterized by higher
intakes of fruits, vegetables, legumes, fish, poultry, and
whole grains, while the Western pattern included higher
intakes of red and processed meats, sweets and desserts,
french fries, and refined grains. During 14 years of
follow-up, we identified 2699 incident cases

of type 2 diabetes. After adjusting for potential confounders,
we observed a relative risk for diabetes of 1.49 (95%
confidence interval
[CI], 1.26-1.76, P for trend, <.001) when
comparing the highest to lowest quintiles
of the Western pattern. Positive
associations were also observed between
type 2 diabetes and red meat and other
processed meats. The relative

risk for diabetes for every 1-serving increase in intake is
1.26 (95% CI,
1.21-1.42) for red meat, 1.38 (95% CI, 1.23-1.56)
for total processed meats, 1.73 (95% CI,
1.39-2.16) for bacon, 1.49 (95% CI, 1.04-2.11)
for hot dogs, and 1.43 (95% CI, 1.22-1.69) for
processed meats. CONCLUSION: The Western
pattern, especially a diet higher in processed
meats, may increase the risk for type 2
diabetes in women.

2. RESULTS: During 326,876 person-years of follow-up, we
documented 1,558 incident cases of type 2 diabetes. After
adjusting for age, BMI, total energy intake, exercise,
alcohol intake, cigarette smoking, and family history of
diabetes, we found positive associations between intakes of
red meat and processed meat and risk of type 2 diabetes.
Comparing women in

[Ironjustic]

'Scuse me if I don't believe you wouldn't .. cut and paste ..
bullsht ..

Give me . links ..

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[Ironjustic]

Now I wonder why you left the rest of the article .. out .. ?

<<snip>> Intakes of total cholesterol, animal protein, and
heme iron were also significantly associated with a higher
risk of type 2 diabetes <<snip>>

Could it be because .. ONLY .. red meat is NOT .. evidenced in
THIS .. study ..? TOTAL .. heme iron is .. mentioned .. ?

Is .. THAT .. why .. ?

What did I say .. ?

Bullsht .. ?

Let me repeat ..

YOU .. are FULL of bullsht ..

>>
4. RESULTS: During 326,876 person-years of follow-up, we
documented 1,558 incident cases of type 2 diabetes. After
adjusting for age, BMI, total energy intake, exercise,
alcohol intake, cigarette smoking, and family history of
diabetes, we found positive associations between intakes of
red meat and processed meat and risk of type 2 diabetes.
Comparing women in

<<

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[outsor]

"'Scuse me if I don't believe you wouldn't .. cut and paste ..
bullsht ..

Give me . links .."

No, I only extend that courtesy if expecting real discussion
and not unfounded propaganda pieces, only for those who want
to learn and not end arguments they can't win by use of
slander and vulgar language. If you really want to read the
abstracts, use some part of each and put it in your search
enjine of choice, a task you do each day endlessly trolling
for material and picking and choosing among it for propaganda
alone. Btw, those four were not the only that could have be
mentioned, people really intrested in the research already
knew this relationship.

[Ironjustic]

>>
"'Scuse me if I don't believe you wouldn't .. cut and paste ..
bullsht ..

Give me . links .."

No, <<

Then .. stay off my .. threads ..

THAT .. is .. 'how' .. it .. works ..

Dig ..? Unnerfkgstand .. ? Comfkgprendez .. ?

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[Ironjustic]

Now you can explain to everyone . HOW .. you could have used
the same medical study in .. conclusion .. number one .. and
result number .. four .. ?

Both the same study .. and mentions .. TOTAL .. heme iron and
NOT .. 'just' .. red meat ..

1. Conclusions: Our data indicate that higher consumption of
total red meat, especially various processed meats, may
increase risk of developing type 2 diabetes in women.

2. RESULTS: During 326,876 person-years of follow-up, we
documented 1,558 incident cases of type 2 diabetes. After
adjusting for age, BMI, total energy intake, exercise,
alcohol intake, cigarette smoking, and family history of
diabetes, we found positive associations between intakes of
red meat and processed meat and risk of type 2 diabetes.
Comparing women in

Heh .. heh ..

I guess this pretty much shows .. you to be either stupid ..
or .. a liar ..

WHICH .. one ..

You HAVE to .. pick .. one ..

Heh .. heh ..

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/488923

A Prospective Study of Red Meat Consumption and Type 2
Diabetes in Middle-Aged and Elderly Women The Women's
Health Study

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[Ironjustic]

> Give me . links .."

Why did you include this link when it doesn't speak to red
meat .. ONLY .. ?

http://care.diabetesjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/27/9/21-
08

Intakes of total cholesterol, animal protein, and heme iron
were also significantly associated with a higher risk of type
2 diabetes

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http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/79/1/70

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http://www.chd-taskforce.de/2000consensusstatement/index_e.htm

This study mentions .. meat ..

Doesn't mention .. red .. meat ..
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http://www.diabetic-lifestyle.com/articles/oct04_healt_1.htm

The only reference to red meat in this article is .. the
reposting of article number one .. and it states .. since you
most likely have forgotten by .. now ..

Intakes of total cholesterol, animal protein, and heme iron
were also significantly associated with a higher risk of type
2 diabetes

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Now it seems to me you have gone out of your way to attempt to
.. what ..?

Place medical studies to bolster a stance .. and use medical
studies in which they don't pertain to your stance at all ..

So .. in effect .. you are / were hoping noone would bother to
read the links ..

Sooooooo .. since someone .. did ..

Let me state it so you understand ..

Pieces of lying sht are not welcome in medical newsgroups ..

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[Manky Badg]

<ironjustice@aol.com> wrote in message
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>>>
> "'Scuse me if I don't believe you wouldn't .. cut and paste
> .. bullsht ..
>
>
> Give me . links .."

http://care.diabetesjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/27/9/21-
08 http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/79/1/70 http://ww-
w.chd-taskforce.de/2000consensusstatement/index_e.htm
http://www.diabetic-lifestyle.com/articles/oct04_healt_1.htm

come out when I google it. Time for the personal abuse now,
Tom

> Then .. stay off my .. threads ..
>
> THAT .. is .. 'how' .. it .. works ..

If YOU had any threads, we would all stay off them. THAT is
how it works.

>
> Dig ..? Unnerfkgstand .. ? Comfkgprendez .. ?

What penance do you do for these naughty words ?

[Manky Badg]

<ironjustice@aol.com> wrote in message
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>> Give me . links .."
>
> Now it seems to me you have gone out of your way to attempt
> to .. what

Give you the Googling you refused to do ? Articles were
posted, you asked the source, you refused to Google them, so I
did it for you. I have no idea of the relevance of them to
your current squabble

>
> Let me state it so you understand ..
>
> Pieces of lying sht are not welcome in medical newsgroups ..

Who IS welcome, then ? Nice insult Tom - better than I've had
before. Time to start hounding me in other newsgroups again ?

[outsor]

"Then .. stay off my .. threads ..

THAT .. is .. 'how' .. it .. works .."

No, only if one has respect for the person asking, you asked
and were provided four examples where only two was requested.
I have no interest in games for a practice of prapaganda in
support of an idea which has failed to be proven. The iron
causes all disease because people eat met idea requires only
one counter example to the tossed, Several have been provided,
many of them from your own postings. It's a dud dude and no
miracle to bring it back to life. We would not any new prson
reading these posts to get confused and think the dud idea
might mean something, would we.

[outsor]

I said the association was with red meat and diabetes and
refined carbohydrates such as grain flours etc., and you
demanded examples of red meat which were provided. Every time
you have demanded somthing as though to show up someone you
end up eating your demands and the thread disappears.

[outsor]

No, the exact part only saying red meat was related to risk
for diabetes was presented because you had asked that spicific
question. In the present vein, you neglected to mention that
two of the studies show that non red meat was not related to
risk for diabetes.

[Ironjustic]

>>and you demanded examples of red
meat which were provided<<

I told you to .. "back up what you say with medical studies/
links" .. and what do you .. do .. ?

You don't .. can't .. and so you attempt to place .. doctored
.. medical studies .. which .. upon examination .. PROVE .. my
insight into you is .. correct ..

I said you are full of sht .. looked at your links /
articles and .. voila .. you were PROVEN .. to be a lying
piece of sht ..

NOW .. you are .. waffling and whining like some lttle btch ..
" I am not like that .. " ...

When in fact .. I .. 'called it' .. you ARE and PROVEN to ..
BE .. a lying piece of sht ..

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[Ironjustic]

>>
two of the studies show that non red meat was not related to
risk for diabetes <<

Then you should have settle for .. two .. and not attempt to
lie and place .. four ..

You think I .. KEPT .. attempting to .. verify .. that you
WEREN'T a lying piece of sht .. when I had ALREADY .. proven
.. you to BE .. a lying piece of sht .. ?

Waste of my time ..

Next time you attempt to use medical studies .. be much
more .. careful .. people might think you to be a ..
sloppy .. lying piece of sht .. instead of JUST .. a lying
piece of sht ..

Who loves ya. Tom

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[outsor]

All four studies showed red meat was related to diabetes, hat
you are unable to read and understand this material is not a
big surprise as it is not uncommon for what you want to
assert in an article says something different and often
contradicts you.

[outsor]

What I do is to mention that providing links is only offered
to those whom I have respect and for whom doing such is a
courtesy for those with a serious intrest in science and not a
dud of an obsession.

[Ma¢K]

On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 20:44:21 -0000, "Manky Badger"
<spam@puritanDOTfreeserve.FULLSTOPcoSPOTuk> Huffed and Puffed
the following into the madness of usenet:

>
><ironjustice@aol.com> wrote in message news:1131304712.95876-
>3.205840@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>> Give me . links .."
>>
>> Now it seems to me you have gone out of your way to attempt
>> to .. what
>
>Give you the Googling you refused to do ? Articles were
>posted, you asked the source, you refused to Google them, so
>I did it for you. I have no idea of the relevance of them to
>your current squabble
>
>>
>> Let me state it so you understand ..
>>
>> Pieces of lying sht are not welcome in medical
>> newsgroups ..
>
>Who IS welcome, then ? Nice insult Tom - better than I've had
>before. Time to start hounding me in other newsgroups again ?
>

everyone already knows that Tom is a nut job why do you bother
with someone like that?

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[Manky Badg]

"Ma¢k" <youknow@yourenutty.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 20:44:21 -0000, "Manky Badger"
> <spam@puritanDOTfreeserve.FULLSTOPcoSPOTuk> Huffed and
> Puffed the following into the madness of usenet:

> everyone already knows that Tom is a nut job why do you
> bother with someone like that?

I bother because I'm fascinated by him. Clearly he started
with an idea which he has researched and expanded into a
potentialy workable hypothesis, and then gone out of his way
to ensure that his theories can never be taken seriously.

Is he a nut job? - I'm not sure. I'm still not convinced the
whole thing isn't one big troll.