Operations manual for how to have a good time laughing at the farce called conventional medicine.

[Mr-Natural]

The best way to attack strength is by knocking its
weakest points.

Medicine has some very well known weak points that are worthy
of everyone's scorn.
1. Knock the high cost of health care in America.
2. Knock iatrogenic deaths.
3. Knock the people of medicine: Quackpots and other science
kooks like Montygram.
4. Knock instances of health fraud being committed by
conventional medicine.
5. Knock the flu vaccination industry.

Knock the high cost of health care in America.
-----
The most favor response will come from attacking the high cost
of medicine. Physicians are directly affected by the high cost
of malpractice insurance just as much as the patients are.
Other hot issues are the high cost of health issuance. And,
physicians forcing patients to pay for tests that serve no
purpose other than to protect doctors from law suits.

Knock iatrogenic deaths.
-----
Deaths from adverse drug reactions has been widely reported to
be the 3rd leading cause of death in America. The practice of
conventional medicine can be dangerous to your health. Why is
there a conspiracy by conventional medicine to cover up
totally unnecessary deaths caused by conventional medicine?
And, why are doctors not routinely prosecuted for manslaughter
or criminal negligence for wrongful iatrogenic deaths?

Knock the people of medicine: Quackpots and other science
kooks like Montygram.
-----
Try knocking the sleaziest people associated with conventional
medicine. Quackpots are the easiest targets to pick on. Nobody
likes bigotry, even in medicine. Attack the bigots of
medicine: The Crackpots. Kooks like Montygram are also good
choices because the exhibit nutty behavior.

Knock instances of health fraud being committed by
conventional medicine.
-----
Who is in favor of health fraud: nobody? Point out instances
of health fraud, like hospitals promoting through
advertisement medically unnecessary diagnostic tests, like
expensive CT scans, for very questionable health benefits. Ask
rather routinely recommended diagnostic tests, like mammograms
are really medically necessary, or are they just conventional
medicine trying to scam the public for their money. Many
public health authorities are actually against them.

Knock the flu vaccination industry.
-----
Are you against vaccinations in general? Then the easiest
vaccine to attack is the flu vaccine. It has very little going
for it. The theory behind it is laughable. The people most in
need of the shots are documented to have received little
benefit from taking them. Try knocking the annual health scare
that is always being manufacture by the vaccination industry,
such as the coming bird flu pandemic to your neighborhood.
--
by John Gohde

--
Recommended anti-crackpot web pages:
http://www.quackpotwatch.org/ http://www.bolenreport.net/
http://www.northamericanconsumersagainsthealthfraud.org/
http://www.wcanews.com/archives/2002/may2202c.htm
http://www.usdoj.gov/dag/pubdoc/hipaa01fe19.htm http://www.nu-
tritioninstituteofamerica.org/research/DeathByMedicine/DeathB-
yMedicine1.htm

[outsor]

The quacks would love to be included on the list, it would
signal being accepted and getting health plans to underwright
their practices and methods. In many ways the list already
spots quacks without giving them the mantel of legitimacy,
something for which they lust mightily. The one thing not
included on the list which pops up the quacks most quickly,
prove it, a reality, a stubborn fact that no number of lists
can conceal nor distract.

[Mr-Natural]

outsor@citynet.net wrote:
> The quacks would love to be included on the list, it would
> signal being accepted and getting health plans to
> underwright their practices and methods. In many ways the
> list already spots quacks without giving them the mantel of
> legitimacy, something for which they lust mightily. The one
> thing not included on the list which pops up the quacks most
> quickly, prove it, a reality, a stubborn fact that no number
> of lists can conceal nor distract.

If you think that I am going away anytime soon, think
again Quackpot!

This is only a first drath. It will gradually be both expanded
and improved upon. It will be the centerpiece of my
neverending series of posts attacking the Quackpots. It's aim
will be to recruit other soldiers in the neverending battle
against the Quackpots.

Why? I plain don't like you scum. :)

Cheers ...

[Rich]

"Mr-Natural-Health" <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com>
wrote in message
news:1131101424.372630.273150@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> outsor@citynet.net wrote:
>> The quacks would love to be included on the list, it would
>> signal being accepted and getting health plans to
>> underwright their practices and methods. In many ways the
>> list already spots quacks without giving them the mantel of
>> legitimacy, something for which they lust mightily. The one
>> thing not included on the list which pops up the quacks
>> most quickly, prove it, a reality, a stubborn fact that no
>> number of lists can conceal nor distract.
>
> If you think that I am going away anytime soon, think again
> Quackpot!
>
> This is only a first drath. It will gradually be both
> expanded and improved upon. It will be the centerpiece of my
> neverending series of posts attacking the Quackpots. It's
> aim will be to recruit other soldiers in the neverending
> battle against the Quackpots.
>
> Why? I plain don't like you scum. :)

But why? when we hold you in such high regard. I do hope your
second drath[sic] makes more sense than the first. Your
writing style doesn't really seem persuasive enough to recruit
many "soldiers."
--

--Rich

Recommended websites:

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles http://www.acahf.org.au
http://www.quackwatch.org/ http://www.skeptic.com/
http://www.csicop.org/

[Doug Frees]

"Mr-Natural-Health" <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com>
wrote in message
news:1131101424.372630.273150@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> outsor@citynet.net wrote:
>> The quacks would love to be included on the list, it would
>> signal being accepted and getting health plans to
>> underwright their practices and methods. In many ways the
>> list already spots quacks without giving them the mantel of
>> legitimacy, something for which they lust mightily. The one
>> thing not included on the list which pops up the quacks
>> most quickly, prove it, a reality, a stubborn fact that no
>> number of lists can conceal nor distract.
>
> If you think that I am going away anytime soon, think again
> Quackpot!
>
> This is only a first drath. It will gradually be both
> expanded and improved upon. It will be the centerpiece of my
> neverending series of posts attacking the Quackpots. It's
> aim will be to recruit other soldiers in the neverending
> battle against the Quackpots.

Ya gotta love this - two screaming whacko's each calling the
other a quackpot. Like Dahmer and Bundy arguing that the other
was a nastier killer.

-DF

[Mark Probe]

Mr-Natural-Health wrote:
> The best way to attack strength is by knocking its
> weakest points.
>
> Medicine has some very well known weak points that are
> worthy of everyone's scorn.
> 1. Knock the high cost of health care in America.
> 2. Knock iatrogenic deaths.
> 3. Knock the people of medicine: Quackpots and other science
> kooks like Montygram.
> 4. Knock instances of health fraud being committed by
> conventional medicine.
> 5. Knock the flu vaccination industry.
>
>
> Knock the high cost of health care in America.
> -----
> The most favor response will come from attacking the high
> cost of medicine. Physicians are directly affected by the
> high cost of malpractice insurance just as much as the
> patients are. Other hot issues are the high cost of health
> issuance. And, physicians forcing patients to pay for tests
> that serve no purpose other than to protect doctors from
> law suits.
>
>
> Knock iatrogenic deaths.
> -----
> Deaths from adverse drug reactions has been widely reported
> to be the 3rd leading cause of death in America. The
> practice of conventional medicine can be dangerous to your
> health. Why is there a conspiracy by conventional medicine
> to cover up totally unnecessary deaths caused by
> conventional medicine? And, why are doctors not routinely
> prosecuted for manslaughter or criminal negligence for
> wrongful iatrogenic deaths?
>
>
> Knock the people of medicine: Quackpots and other science
> kooks like Montygram.
> -----
> Try knocking the sleaziest people associated with
> conventional medicine. Quackpots are the easiest targets to
> pick on. Nobody likes bigotry, even in medicine. Attack the
> bigots of medicine: The Crackpots. Kooks like Montygram are
> also good choices because the exhibit nutty behavior.
>
>
> Knock instances of health fraud being committed by
> conventional medicine.
> -----
> Who is in favor of health fraud: nobody? Point out
> instances of health fraud, like hospitals promoting
> through advertisement medically unnecessary diagnostic
> tests, like expensive CT scans, for very questionable
> health benefits. Ask rather routinely recommended
> diagnostic tests, like mammograms are really medically
> necessary, or are they just conventional medicine trying
> to scam the public for their money. Many public health
> authorities are actually against them.
>
>
> Knock the flu vaccination industry.
> -----
> Are you against vaccinations in general? Then the easiest
> vaccine to attack is the flu vaccine. It has very little
> going for it. The theory behind it is laughable. The people
> most in need of the shots are documented to have received
> little benefit from taking them. Try knocking the annual
> health scare that is always being manufacture by the
> vaccination industry, such as the coming bird flu pandemic
> to your neighborhood.
> --
> by John Gohde

Very good, John. I see your first draft of "How to be a Moron
for Dummies" is coming along nicely.

[outsor]

"If you think that I am going away anytime soon, think
again Quackpot!

This is only a first drath. It will gradually be both expanded
and improved upon. It will be the centerpiece of my
neverending series of posts attacking the Quackpots. It's aim
will be to recruit other soldiers in the neverending battle
against the Quackpots.

Why? I plain don't like you scum. :)"

It is better to have the fringe in the clear speaking their
mind, it is our best defense against them. The more you write
the more we know you, bigotry needs all the fresh clear air it
can get and we allow.

[Mr-Natural]

The best way to attack strength is by constantly picking at
its weakest points.

Medicine has some very well known weak points that are worthy
of everyone's scorn.
1. Knock the high cost of health care in America.
2. Knock iatrogenic deaths.
3. Knock the sleaziest people of medicine: Quackpots and other
science kooks like Montygram.
4. Knock instances of health fraud being committed by
conventional medicine.
5. Knock the flu vaccination industry.
6. Knock the well known failures of conventional medicine.

Knock the high cost of health care in America.
-----
The most favorable response will come from attacking the high
cost of medicine. Physicians are directly affected by the high
cost of malpractice insurance just as much as the patients
are. Why does health issuance cost so much? And, why in a few
decades is the cost of health insurance expected to be totally
unaffordable? Why are people without health insurance, but
willing to pay cash, being forced to endure all manner of
verbal abuse as part of the process of receiving health care?
Why are physicians forcing patients to pay for tests that
serve no purpose other than to protect doctors from lawsuits?

Knock iatrogenic deaths.
-----
Deaths from adverse drug reactions has widely been reported to
be the 3rd leading cause of death in America. The practice of
conventional medicine can be dangerous to your health. Why is
there a conspiracy by conventional medicine to cover up
totally unnecessary deaths caused by conventional medicine?
And, why are doctors not routinely prosecuted for manslaughter
or criminal negligence for these wrongful iatrogenic deaths?

See: http://www.nutritioninstituteofamerica.org/research/Deat-
hByMedicine/DeathByMedicine1.htm

Knock the sleaziest people of medicine: Quackpots.
-----
Try knocking the sleaziest people associated with conventional
medicine. Quackpots are the easiest targets to pick on. Nobody
likes bigotry, even in medicine. Attack the bigots of
medicine: The Crackpots.

See: http://www.quackpotwatch.org/ http://www.bolenreport.net/
http://www.wcanews.com/archives/2002/may2202c.htm

Kooks like Montygram are also good choices because they
exhibit nutty behavior.

The sleaziest physicians are the shrinks. Shrinks write more
multiple drug prescriptions than any other branch of medicine.
Shrinks write prescriptions for the medicalization of life,
such as for social anxiety. Shrinks are the ones who are
turning our school children into life long drug addicts.

Knock instances of health fraud being committed by
conventional medicine.
-----
Nobody is in favor of health. Point out instances of health
fraud, like hospitals promoting through advertisement
medically unnecessary diagnostic tests, like expensive CT
scans, for very questionable health benefits. Ask whether
routinely recommended diagnostic tests, like mammograms are
really medically necessary, or are they just conventional
medicine trying to scam the public out of their money. Many
public health authorities are actually against them.

See: http://www.northamericanconsumersagainsthealthfraud.org/
http://www.usdoj.gov/dag/pubdoc/hipaa01fe19.htm

Knock the flu vaccination industry.
-----
Are you against vaccinations in general? Then the easiest
vaccine to attack is the flu vaccine. It has very little going
for it. The theory behind it is laughable. The people most in
need of the shots are documented to have received little
benefit from taking them. Try knocking the annual health scare
that is always being manufacture by the vaccination industry,
such as the coming bird flu pandemic to your neighborhood.

See: http://www.csmmh.org/flualert.htm
http://www.mercola.com/2004/oct/23/flu_crimes.htm

Knock the well known failures of conventional medicine.
-----
One of the most dramatic failures of conventional medicine was
their campaign to wipe out tuberculosis (i.e., TB). It was a
miserable failure that has been widely reported upon.
--
by John Gohde Report all factual errors in this message to:
webmaster[atsign]naturalhealthperspective[period]com

[Mark Probe]

Mr-Natural-Health wrote:
> The best way to attack strength is by constantly picking at
> its weakest points.

Since you are 100% weakest points, you do have a problem.

[Mr-Natural]

Operations manual for how to have a good time laughing at the
farce called conventional medicine.

The best way to attack strength is by constantly picking at
its weakest points.

Medicine has some very well known weak points that are worthy
of everyone's scorn.
1. Knock the high cost of health care in America.
2. Knock iatrogenic deaths.
3. Knock the sleaziest people of medicine.
4. Knock instances of health fraud being committed by
conventional medicine.
5. Knock the flu vaccination industry.
6. Knock the well known failures of conventional medicine.

Knock the high cost of health care in America
-----
The most favorable response will come from attacking the high
cost of medicine. Physicians are directly affected by the high
cost of malpractice insurance just as much as the patients
are. Why does health issuance cost so much? And, why in a few
decades is the cost of health insurance expected to be totally
unaffordable? Why are people without health insurance, but
willing to pay cash, being forced to endure all manner of
verbal abuse as part of the process of receiving health care?
Why are physicians forcing patients to pay for tests that
serve no purpose other than to protect doctors from lawsuits?

See: http://www.nchc.org/facts/cost.shtml http://www.yourdoct-
orinthefamily.com/grandtheory/section2_4.htm
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04284/392799.stm

Knock iatrogenic deaths
-----
Deaths from adverse drug reactions has widely been reported to
be the 3rd leading cause of death in America. The practice of
conventional medicine can be dangerous to your health. Why is
there a conspiracy by conventional medicine to cover up
totally unnecessary deaths caused by conventional medicine?
And, why are doctors not routinely prosecuted for manslaughter
or criminal negligence for these wrongful iatrogenic deaths?

See: http://www.nutritioninstituteofamerica.org/research/Deat-
hByMedicine/DeathByMedicine1.htm
http://www.surgicenteronline.com/hotnews/5bh39405091724.html

Knock the sleaziest people of medicine
-----
Try knocking the sleaziest people associated with conventional
medicine. Quackpots are the easiest targets to pick on. Nobody
likes bigotry, even in medicine. Attack the bigots of
medicine: The Crackpots.

See: http://www.quackpotwatch.org/ http://www.bolenreport.net/
http://www.wcanews.com/archives/2002/may2202c.htm

Academic science kooks, like Montygram, are also good choices
because they exhibit nutty behavior.

The sleaziest physicians are the shrinks. Shrinks write more
multiple drug prescriptions than any other branch of medicine.
Shrinks write prescriptions for the medicalization of life,
such as for social anxiety. Shrinks, also, are the ones who
are turning our school children into life long drug addicts.

Knock instances of health fraud being committed by
conventional medicine
-----
Nobody is in favor of health fraud. Point out instances of
health fraud, like hospitals promoting through advertisement
medically unnecessary diagnostic tests, like expensive CT
scans, for very questionable health benefits. Ask whether
routinely recommended diagnostic tests, like mammograms are
really medically necessary, or are they just conventional
medicine trying to scam the public out of their money? Many
public health authorities are actually against them.

See: http://www.northamericanconsumersagainsthealthfraud.org/
http://www.usdoj.gov/dag/pubdoc/hipaa01fe19.htm http://www.qu-
ackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/ct.html

Knock the flu vaccination industry
-----
Are you against vaccinations in general? Then the easiest
vaccine to attack is the flu vaccine. It has very little going
for it. The theory behind it is laughable. The people most in
need of the shots are documented to have received little
benefit from taking them. Try knocking the annual health scare
that is always being manufacture by the vaccination industry,
such as the coming bird flu pandemic to your neighborhood.

See: http://www.csmmh.org/flualert.htm
http://www.mercola.com/2004/oct/23/flu_crimes.htm

Knock the well known failures of conventional medicine
-----
One of the most dramatic failures of conventional medicine was
their campaign to wipe out tuberculosis (i.e., TB). It was a
miserable failure that has been widely reported upon.

See: Holme C. Tuberculosis: story of medical failure BMJ. 1998
Oct 31;317(7167):1260.
http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/317/7167/1260
PMID: 97948

--
by John Gohde Report all factural errors in this message to:
webmaster[atsign]naturalhealthperspective[period]com

[outsor]

Where does bigotry fit in your list, a list that with a few
word changes equally fits the quacks.

[David Wrig]

In article
<1131146965.096102.93230@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
Mr-Natural-Health
<johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:
>The best way to attack strength is by constantly picking at
>its weakest points.

Oh, if only that was what you were doing. That'll be the day.

<snip>

>Knock iatrogenic deaths.
>-----
>Deaths from adverse drug reactions has widely been reported
>to be the 3rd leading cause of death in America.

So it has -- by people whose numbers are totally unreliable.
They overstate things like the number of ADR deaths in
hospitals by a factor of five or more.

>Try knocking the sleaziest people associated with
>conventional medicine.

Even more fun to knock the sleazeballs associated with alt
med, since there are a lot of them and their frauds are so
transparent.

>http://www.quackpotwatch.org/ http://www.bolenreport.net/

For example.

>Knock the well known failures of conventional medicine.
>-----
>One of the most dramatic failures of conventional medicine
>was their campaign to wipe out tuberculosis (i.e., TB). It
>was a miserable failure that has been widely reported upon.

It was doing pretty well till AIDS came along. And a hundred
years ago, TB was the equivalent of AIDS today.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you
can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice
Roosevelt Longworth

[Mr-Natural]

David Wright wrote:

> >Knock the well known failures of conventional medicine.
> >-----
> >One of the most dramatic failures of conventional medicine
> >was their campaign to wipe out tuberculosis (i.e., TB). It
> >was a miserable failure that has been widely reported upon.
>
> It was doing pretty well till AIDS came along. And a hundred
> years ago, TB was the equivalent of AIDS today.

Answer the simple question, Crackpot! Has medicine been able
to eradicate a simple infectious disease like tuberculosis?

No! I didn't think so.

You have my condolences, Crackpot!

[Johndoe]

Mr-Natural-Health wrote:

> David Wright wrote:
>
>
>>>Knock the well known failures of conventional medicine.
>>>-----
>>>One of the most dramatic failures of conventional medicine
>>>was their campaign to wipe out tuberculosis (i.e., TB). It
>>>was a miserable failure that has been widely reported upon.
>>
>>It was doing pretty well till AIDS came along. And a hundred
>>years ago, TB was the equivalent of AIDS today.
>
>
> Answer the simple question, Crackpot! Has medicine been able
> to eradicate a simple infectious disease like tuberculosis?
>
> No! I didn't think so.
>
> You have my condolences, Crackpot!
>

Answer the simple question, Racist Pig *and* Crankpot! Has
alternative/ natural medicine ever been able to do anything at
all about any infectious disease whatsoever, or any disease at
all for that matter, in terms of eradication, or even just
alleviation/ palliation or lower mortality? Anything at all?
Has natural medicine, your favorite, contributed one iota to
the longer life expectancy of AIDS patients? Of any patient of
any disease at all?

No! I didn't think so. So STFU.

And the only needing any condolances will be your wife (if you
have one) pretty soon after you get any serious disease. I do
take it you won't be so dishonest as to use real medicine if
you ever really get sick?

[Mark Probe]

Mr-Natural-Health wrote:
> David Wright wrote:
>
>
>>>Knock the well known failures of conventional medicine.
>>>-----
>>>One of the most dramatic failures of conventional medicine
>>>was their campaign to wipe out tuberculosis (i.e., TB). It
>>>was a miserable failure that has been widely reported upon.
>>
>>It was doing pretty well till AIDS came along. And a hundred
>>years ago, TB was the equivalent of AIDS today.
>
>
> Answer the simple question, Crackpot! Has medicine been able
> to eradicate a simple infectious disease like tuberculosis?
>
> No! I didn't think so.
>
> You have my condolences, Crackpot!

It has been able to eliminate smallpox, dingbat.

I am not sorry if this fact ruins your day.

[Herman Rub]

In article
<1131449098.624114.220260@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
Mr-Natural-Health
<johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:

>David Wright wrote:

>> >Knock the well known failures of conventional medicine.
>> >-----
>> >One of the most dramatic failures of conventional
>> >medicine was their campaign to wipe out tuberculosis
>> >(i.e., TB). It was a miserable failure that has been
>> >widely reported upon.

>> It was doing pretty well till AIDS came along. And a
>> hundred years ago, TB was the equivalent of AIDS today.

>Answer the simple question, Crackpot! Has medicine been able
>to eradicate a simple infectious disease like tuberculosis?

>No! I didn't think so.

Has medicine been able to eradicate a simple infectious
disease like the common cold? Do you think that giving the
government control of medicine will speed things up at all?

To eradicate tuberculosis would require not only getting rid
of it in people, but in cattle, deer, etc. That is, when we
can find a way to do so. It seems that the eradication of
polio was not quite successful.


--
This address is for information only. I do not claim that
these views are those of the Statistics Department or of
Purdue University. Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics,
Purdue University hrubin@stat.purdue.edu Phone: (765)494-6054
FAX: (765)494-0558

[Mark Probe]

Herman Rubin wrote:
> In article
> <1131449098.624114.220260@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> Mr-Natural-Health
> <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:
>
>
>>David Wright wrote:
>
>
>>>>Knock the well known failures of conventional medicine.
>>>>-----
>>>>One of the most dramatic failures of conventional
>>>>medicine was their campaign to wipe out tuberculosis
>>>>(i.e., TB). It was a miserable failure that has been
>>>>widely reported upon.
>
>
>>>It was doing pretty well till AIDS came along. And a
>>>hundred years ago, TB was the equivalent of AIDS today.
>
>
>>Answer the simple question, Crackpot! Has medicine been able
>>to eradicate a simple infectious disease like tuberculosis?
>
>
>>No! I didn't think so.
>
>
> Has medicine been able to eradicate a simple infectious
> disease like the common cold? Do you think that giving the
> government control of medicine will speed things up at all?
>
> To eradicate tuberculosis would require not only getting rid
> of it in people, but in cattle, deer, etc. That is, when we
> can find a way to do so. It seems that the eradication of
> polio was not quite successful.

Polio and TB have non human host resevoirs. Vaccination
prevents its spread. The Amish, who do not vaccinate, are
having an outbreak. No one else, though, in the US is
having one.

[outsor]

By golly by gosh, what an insight. Please do tell us what
homopathology cure for infectious disease exists and where it
has eradicated itany where, just any where at all?

[Mr-Natural]

Mark Probert wrote:

> >>>Knock the well known failures of conventional medicine.
> >>>-----
> >>>One of the most dramatic failures of conventional
> >>>medicine was their campaign to wipe out tuberculosis
> >>>(i.e., TB). It was a miserable failure that has been
> >>>widely reported upon.
> >>
> >>It was doing pretty well till AIDS came along. And a
> >>hundred years ago, TB was the equivalent of AIDS today.
> >
> > Answer the simple question, Crackpot! Has medicine been
> > able to eradicate a simple infectious disease like
> > tuberculosis?
> >
> > No! I didn't think so.
> >
> > You have my condolences, Crackpot!
>
> It has been able to eliminate smallpox, dingbat.

Perhaps, if you were to concentrate?

Answer the simple question, Crackpot! Has medicine been able
to eradicate a simple infectious disease like tuberculosis?

> I am not sorry if this fact ruins your day.

I am not sorry if this SIMPLE fact HAS ruined your day. :)

Either, kooky conventional medicine works on all infectious
diseases or is works on none. Seems simple enough to me.
Medicine claims credit for doing stuff that it has appeared to
have done, but is due to other reasons.

Just thought that the Crackpot might want to know. :)

[David Wrig]

In article
<1131449098.624114.220260@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
Mr-Natural-Health
<johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:
>
>David Wright wrote:
>
>> >Knock the well known failures of conventional medicine.
>> >-----
>> >One of the most dramatic failures of conventional
>> >medicine was their campaign to wipe out tuberculosis
>> >(i.e., TB). It was a miserable failure that has been
>> >widely reported upon.
>>
>> It was doing pretty well till AIDS came along. And a
>> hundred years ago, TB was the equivalent of AIDS today.
>
>Answer the simple question, Crackpot! Has medicine been able
>to eradicate a simple infectious disease like tuberculosis?

Smallpox. Polio is within reach, if we can get the anti-vac
loons out of the way.

>No! I didn't think so.

Correction: you didn't think at all. As usual. You have my
condolences for your cerebral incapacity.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you
can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice
Roosevelt Longworth

[Cathyb]

Mr-Natural-Health wrote:
> Mark Probert wrote:
>
> > >>>Knock the well known failures of conventional medicine.
> > >>>-----
> > >>>One of the most dramatic failures of conventional
> > >>>medicine was their campaign to wipe out tuberculosis
> > >>>(i.e., TB). It was a miserable failure that has been
> > >>>widely reported upon.
> > >>
> > >>It was doing pretty well till AIDS came along. And a
> > >>hundred years ago, TB was the equivalent of AIDS today.
> > >
> > > Answer the simple question, Crackpot! Has medicine been
> > > able to eradicate a simple infectious disease like
> > > tuberculosis?
> > >
> > > No! I didn't think so.
> > >
> > > You have my condolences, Crackpot!
> >
> > It has been able to eliminate smallpox, dingbat.
>
> Perhaps, if you were to concentrate?
>
> Answer the simple question, Crackpot! Has medicine been able
> to eradicate a simple infectious disease like tuberculosis?

Yes. Smallpox. Did you fail to understand a simple statement?

>
> > I am not sorry if this fact ruins your day.
>
> I am not sorry if this SIMPLE fact HAS ruined your day. :)
>
> Either, kooky conventional medicine works on all infectious
> diseases or is works on none.

??

> Seems simple enough to me.

Because you're a simpleton.

> Medicine claims credit for doing stuff that it has appeared
> to have done, but is due to other reasons.

Ever heard a medic claim to have a cure for the common cold?

On the other hand, ever heard a quack claim to have a "cure
for all cancers"?

>
> Just thought that the Crackpot might want to know. :)

Know what? That aside from being a racist prick, you're also
more stupid than was hitherto thought possible?

Cathy

[Johndoe]

Mr-Natural-Health wrote:

> Mark Probert wrote:
>
>
>>>>>Knock the well known failures of conventional medicine.
>>>>>-----
>>>>>One of the most dramatic failures of conventional
>>>>>medicine was their campaign to wipe out tuberculosis
>>>>>(i.e., TB). It was a miserable failure that has been
>>>>>widely reported upon.
>>>>
>>>>It was doing pretty well till AIDS came along. And a
>>>>hundred years ago, TB was the equivalent of AIDS today.
>>>
>>>Answer the simple question, Crackpot! Has medicine been
>>>able to eradicate a simple infectious disease like
>>>tuberculosis?
>>>
>>>No! I didn't think so.
>>>
>>>You have my condolences, Crackpot!
>>
>>It has been able to eliminate smallpox, dingbat.
>
>
> Perhaps, if you were to concentrate?
>
> Answer the simple question, Crackpot! Has medicine been able
> to eradicate a simple infectious disease like tuberculosis?

Answer the simple question, Mr. Evasive-Action, has *your*
brand of medicine ever contributed anything to healthcare,
anything whatsoever?

>>I am not sorry if this fact ruins your day.
>
> I am not sorry if this SIMPLE fact HAS ruined your day. :)

There is nothing you can do that'll *ruin* my day. *Making*
my day however, that you can. By bungeejumping without a cord
for instance.

> Either, kooky conventional medicine works on all infectious
> diseases or is works on none. Seems simple enough to me.

That'll be 'Da Zapper' you're talking about - the cure for
all diseases. Oh wait, that isn't conventional medicine.
Sorry, my bad.

> Medicine claims credit for doing stuff that it has appeared
> to have done, but is due to other reasons.
>
> Just thought that the Crackpot might want to know. :)

You have thoughts?

[Mark Probe]

Mr-Natural-Health wrote:
> Mark Probert wrote:
>
>
>>>>>Knock the well known failures of conventional medicine.
>>>>>-----
>>>>>One of the most dramatic failures of conventional
>>>>>medicine was their campaign to wipe out tuberculosis
>>>>>(i.e., TB). It was a miserable failure that has been
>>>>>widely reported upon.
>>>>
>>>>It was doing pretty well till AIDS came along. And a
>>>>hundred years ago, TB was the equivalent of AIDS today.
>>>
>>>Answer the simple question, Crackpot! Has medicine been
>>>able to eradicate a simple infectious disease like
>>>tuberculosis?
>>>
>>>No! I didn't think so.
>>>
>>>You have my condolences, Crackpot!
>>
>>It has been able to eliminate smallpox, dingbat.
>
>
> Perhaps, if you were to concentrate?
>
> Answer the simple question, Crackpot! Has medicine been able
> to eradicate a simple infectious disease like tuberculosis?

Let's see...you asked for the name of a simple infectious
disease in a disucssion of tuberculosis...and I reponded
SMALLPOX...

You reject that....is smallpox more complex than tuberculosis,
or, is it that you do not understand logic?

Obviously, you are too stupid to see this.

>>I am not sorry if this fact ruins your day.

> I am not sorry if this SIMPLE fact HAS ruined your day. :)

Nope, you are utterly incapable of ruining my day since I find
you mildly amusing. If you acted normally, and behaved like a
civilized human, you would have a shot at ruining my day, as I
would miss the laughter your posts engender.

> Either, kooky conventional medicine works on all infectious
> diseases or is works on none.

That is utterly moronic, and demonstrates how stupid you are.

> Seems simple enough to me.

Wrong. It is obviously far to complex for you. Ask Jan to
re-open her daycare and re-take Sandbox 101 for starters.

Medicine claims credit
> for doing stuff that it has appeared to have done, but is
> due to other reasons.
>
> Just thought that the Crackpot might want to know. :)

Nothing you could say is something than anyone with a positive
IQ would want to know.

[Mr-Natural]

Operations manual for how to have a good time laughing at the
farce called conventional medicine.

The best way to attack strength is by constantly picking at
its weakest points.

Medicine has some very well known weak points that are worthy
of everyone's scorn.
1. Knock the high cost of health care in America.
2. Knock iatrogenic deaths.
3. Knock the sleaziest people of medicine.
4. Knock instances of health fraud being committed by
conventional medicine.
5. Knock the flu vaccination industry.
6. Knock the well known failures of conventional medicine.

Knock the high cost of health care in America
-----
The most favorable response will come from attacking the high
cost of medicine. Physicians are directly affected by the high
cost of malpractice insurance just as much as the patients
are. Why does health issuance cost so much? And, why in a few
decades is the cost of health insurance expected to be totally
unaffordable? Why are people without health insurance, but
willing to pay cash, being forced to endure all manner of
verbal abuse as part of the process of receiving health care?
Why are physicians forcing patients to pay for tests that
serve no purpose other than to protect doctors from lawsuits?

See: http://www.nchc.org/facts/cost.shtml http://www.yourdoct-
orinthefamily.com/grandtheory/section2_4.htm
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04284/392799.stm

Knock iatrogenic deaths
-----
Deaths from adverse drug reactions has widely been reported to
be the 3rd leading cause of death in America. The practice of
conventional medicine can be dangerous to your health. Why is
there a conspiracy by conventional medicine to cover up
totally unnecessary deaths caused by conventional medicine?
And, why are doctors not routinely prosecuted for manslaughter
or criminal negligence for these wrongful iatrogenic deaths?

See: http://www.nutritioninstituteofamerica.org/research/Deat-
hByMedicine/DeathByMedicine1.htm
http://www.surgicenteronline.com/hotnews/5bh39405091724.html

Knock the sleaziest people of medicine
-----
Try knocking the sleaziest people associated with conventional
medicine. Quackpots are the easiest targets to pick on. Nobody
likes bigotry, even in medicine. Attack the bigots of
medicine: The Crackpots.

See: http://www.quackpotwatch.org/ http://www.bolenreport.net/
http://www.wcanews.com/archives/2002/may2202c.htm

Academic science kooks, like Montygram, are also good choices
because they exhibit nutty behavior.

The sleaziest physicians are the shrinks. Shrinks write more
multiple drug prescriptions than any other branch of medicine.
Shrinks write prescriptions for the medicalization of life,
such as for social anxiety. Shrinks, also, are the ones who
are turning our school children into life long drug addicts.

Knock instances of health fraud being committed by
conventional medicine
-----
Nobody is in favor of health fraud. Point out instances of
health fraud, like hospitals promoting through advertisement
medically unnecessary diagnostic tests, like expensive CT
scans, for very questionable health benefits. Ask whether
routinely recommended diagnostic tests, like mammograms are
really medically necessary, or are they just conventional
medicine trying to scam the public out of their money? Many
public health authorities are actually against them.

See: http://www.northamericanconsumersagainsthealthfraud.org/
http://www.usdoj.gov/dag/pubdoc/hipaa01fe19.htm http://www.qu-
ackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/ct.html

Knock the flu vaccination industry
-----
Are you against vaccinations in general? Then the easiest
vaccine to attack is the flu vaccine. It has very little going
for it. The theory behind it is laughable. The people most in
need of the shots are documented to have received little
benefit from taking them. Try knocking the annual health scare
that is always being manufacture by the vaccination industry,
such as the coming bird flu pandemic to your neighborhood.

See: http://www.csmmh.org/flualert.htm
http://www.mercola.com/2004/oct/23/flu_crimes.htm

Knock the well known failures of conventional medicine
-----
One of the most dramatic failures of conventional medicine was
their campaign to wipe out tuberculosis (i.e., TB). It was a
miserable failure that has been widely reported upon.

See: Holme C. Tuberculosis: story of medical failure BMJ. 1998
Oct 31;317(7167):1260.
http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/317/7167/1260
PMID: 97948

Conventional medicine's failure to control malaria worldwide
will provide you with an even bigger laugh! Malaria
disappeared from America, so medicine wasted no time trying to
wrongly claim credit for
it. However, the facts clearly shows that medicine's malaria
vaccine is a total farce. And, conventional medicine has
failed miserably at trying to control malaria worldwide.
This fact alone strongly suggests that medicine had
nothing to do with the eradication of malaria in America.
It was land development in the South, that drained the
swamps, that conquered malaria in America. It was
certainly NOT the result of medicine.

--
by John Gohde Report all factural errors in this message to:
webmaster[atsign]naturalhealthperspective[period]com

[Mr-Natural]

Operations manual for how to have a good time laughing at the
farce called conventional medicine.

UPDATE HISTORY:
1. Knock the flu vaccination industry: Add a lot more details.
2. Knock the well known failures of conventional
medicine: Malaria.

I have received no reports of factual error, to date.

The best way to attack strength is by constantly picking at
its weakest points.

Medicine has some very well known weak points that are worthy
of everyone's scorn.
3. Knock the high cost of health care in America.
4. Knock iatrogenic deaths.
5. Knock the sleaziest people of medicine.
6. Knock instances of health fraud being committed by
conventional medicine.
7. Knock the flu vaccination industry.
8. Knock the well known failures of conventional medicine.

Knock the high cost of health care in America
-----
The most favorable response will come from attacking the high
cost of medicine. Physicians are directly affected by the high
cost of malpractice insurance just as much as the patients
are. Why does health issuance cost so much? And, why in a few
decades is the cost of health insurance expected to be totally
unaffordable? Why are people without health insurance, but
willing to pay cash, being forced to endure all manner of
verbal abuse as part of the process of receiving health care?
Why are physicians forcing patients to pay for tests that
serve no purpose other than to protect doctors from lawsuits?

See: http://www.nchc.org/facts/cost.shtml http://www.yourdoct-
orinthefamily.com/grandtheory/section2_4.htm
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04284/392799.stm

Knock iatrogenic deaths
-----
Deaths from adverse drug reactions has widely been reported to
be the 3rd leading cause of death in America. The practice of
conventional medicine can be dangerous to your health. Why is
there a conspiracy by conventional medicine to cover up
totally unnecessary deaths caused by conventional medicine?
And, why are doctors not routinely prosecuted for manslaughter
or criminal negligence for these wrongful iatrogenic deaths?

See: http://www.nutritioninstituteofamerica.org/research/Deat-
hByMedicine/DeathByMedicine1.htm
http://www.surgicenteronline.com/hotnews/5bh39405091724.html

Knock the sleaziest people of medicine
-----
Try knocking the sleaziest people associated with conventional
medicine. Quackpots are the easiest targets to pick on. Nobody
likes bigotry, even in medicine. Attack the bigots of
medicine: The Crackpots.

See: http://www.quackpotwatch.org/ http://www.bolenreport.net/
http://www.wcanews.com/archives/2002/may2202c.htm

Academic science kooks, like Montygram, are also good choices
because they exhibit nutty behavior.

The sleaziest physicians are the shrinks. Shrinks write more
multiple drug prescriptions than any other branch of medicine.
Shrinks write prescriptions for the medicalization of life,
such as for social anxiety. Shrinks, also, are the ones who
are turning our school children into life long drug addicts.

Knock instances of health fraud being committed by
conventional medicine
-----
Nobody is in favor of health fraud. Point out instances of
health fraud, like hospitals promoting through advertisement
medically unnecessary diagnostic tests, like expensive CT
scans, for very questionable health benefits. Ask whether
routinely recommended diagnostic tests, like mammograms are
really medically necessary, or are they just conventional
medicine trying to scam the public out of their money? Many
public health authorities are actually against them.

See: http://www.northamericanconsumersagainsthealthfraud.org/
http://www.usdoj.gov/dag/pubdoc/hipaa01fe19.htm http://www.qu-
ackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/ct.html

Knock the flu vaccination industry
-----
Are you against vaccinations in general? Then the easiest
vaccine to attack is the flu vaccine. It has very little going
for it. The theory behind it is laughable. The people most in
need of the shots are documented to have received little
benefit from taking them. Try knocking the annual health scare
that is always being manufacture by the vaccination industry,
such as the coming bird flu pandemic to your neighborhood.

The success of a given influenza vaccination depends largely
on the antigenic match between the 3 influenza vaccine strains
and the virus strains actually circulating during a given flu
season. Each year the influenza virus experiences what these
crackpots call an antigenic drift or a shift. Shift variants
cause people to escape any immunity from prior vaccinations or
infections. This is was the case for the influenza pandemics
of 1918, 1957 and 1968. "In fact, in almost all years, by the
end of the flu season, some new strain or some new drift
species will show up," said Dr. Julie Gerberding, director of
the CDC, during a press conference on Nov. 17, 2003. The
1997/1998 season is on record for having had a considerable
mismatch between the H3N2 vaccine component and the prevalent
epidemic influenza A(H3N2) virus. In the 2003-04 flu season
the vaccination protected against H3N2 Panama, H1N1 New
Caledonia and Influenza B Hong Kong. As expected, a Fujian
variant of the H3N2 Panama was detected by global surveillance
in Australia early in 2003. Since the flu vaccination industry
is so slow to respond it was too late to include that strain
in the influenza vaccine for that flu season. This missing
strain was in fact responsible for most of the
influenza-related deaths during the 2003-04 flu season.

Every year, flu vaccine manufacturers have to predict which
strains of the flu will be prevalent, and the vaccine is a
mixture of three flu strains. But if the manufacturers guess
wrong, the vaccine is useless, and nobody is protected against
the flu. This is a fact, NOT wishful thinking on my part.

These decisions are made by a WHO-sanctioned committee in the
spring because it takes several months to gear up for vaccine
production. So, comparing it to weather forecasting these flu
industry crackpots think that they can accurately predict what
the weather will be nine months from today. Does anybody take
flu vaccination industry seriously?

See: http://media.www.universitychronicle.com/media/paper231/-
news/2004/01/29/News/Flu-Shot.May.Be.Overrated-591937.shtml?s-
ourcedomain=www.universitychronicle.com&MIIHost=media.college-
publisher.com http://www.csmmh.org/flualert.htm
http://www.mercola.com/2004/oct/23/flu_crimes.htm http://www.-
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dop-
t=Abstract&list_uids=16208317

Knock the well known failures of conventional medicine
-----
One of the most dramatic failures of conventional medicine was
their campaign to wipe out tuberculosis (i.e., TB). It was a
miserable failure that has been widely reported upon.

See: Holme C. Tuberculosis: story of medical failure BMJ. 1998
Oct 31;317(7167):1260.
http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/317/7167/1260
PMID: 97948

Conventional medicine's failure to control malaria worldwide
will provide you with an even bigger laugh! Malaria
disappeared from America, so medicine wasted no time trying to
wrongly claim credit for
it. However, the facts clearly shows that medicine's malaria
vaccine is a total farce. And, conventional medicine has
failed miserably at trying to control malaria worldwide.
This fact alone strongly suggests that medicine had
nothing to do with the eradication of malaria in America.
It was land development in the South, that drained the
swamps, that conquered malaria in America. It was
certainly NOT the result of medicine.

--
by John Gohde Report all factural errors in this message to:
webmaster[atsign]naturalhealthperspective[period]com

[outsor]

We did the malaria thing once before, had some fun with
you over it.

"It was land development in the South, that drained the
swamps, that conquered malaria in America."

Assembling a crack research team, or were they on crack?,
american homopathology folk won the fight with malaria by the
proper dilution of the swamp water which is fed into the water
systems all over the south.

[Mr-Natural]

outsor@citynet.net wrote:

> We did the malaria thing once before, had some fun with you
> over it.
>
> "It was land development in the South, that drained the
> swamps, that conquered malaria in America."
>
> Assembling a crack research team, or were they on crack?,
> american homopathology folk won the fight with malaria by
> the proper dilution of the swamp water which is fed into the
> water systems all over the south.

Too stupid to find it?

Try: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/b09-
8760c7024eac4

and: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/search?-
group=sci.med.nutrition&q=malaria+gohde&qt_g=1&searchnow=Sear-
ch+this+group

[Johngohde@]

Operations manual for how to have a good time laughing at the
farce called conventional medicine.

UPDATE HISTORY:
1. Knock the flu vaccination industry: Made more changes.
2. Knock the flu vaccination industry: Added a lot more
details.
3. Knock the well known failures of conventional medicine:
Added Malaria.

I have received no reports of factual error, to date.

The best way to attack strength is by constantly picking at
its weakest points.

Medicine has some very well known weak points that are worthy
of everyone's scorn.
4. Knock the high cost of health care in America.
5. Knock iatrogenic deaths.
6. Knock the sleaziest people of medicine.
7. Knock instances of health fraud being committed by
conventional medicine.
8. Knock the flu vaccination industry.
9. Knock the well known failures of conventional medicine.

Knock the high cost of health care in America
-----
The most favorable response will come from attacking the high
cost of medicine. Physicians are directly affected by the high
cost of malpractice insurance just as much as the patients
are. Why does health issuance cost so much? And, why in a few
decades is the cost of health insurance expected to be totally
unaffordable? Why are people without health insurance, but
willing to pay cash, being forced to endure all manner of
verbal abuse as part of the process of receiving health care?
Why are physicians forcing patients to pay for tests that
serve no purpose other than to protect doctors from lawsuits?

See: http://www.nchc.org/facts/cost.shtml http://www.yourdoct-
orinthefamily.com/grandtheory/section2_4.htm
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04284/392799.stm

Knock iatrogenic deaths
-----
Deaths from adverse drug reactions has widely been reported to
be the 3rd leading cause of death in America. The practice of
conventional medicine can be dangerous to your health. Why is
there a conspiracy by conventional medicine to cover up
totally unnecessary deaths caused by conventional medicine?
And, why are doctors not routinely prosecuted for manslaughter
or criminal negligence for these wrongful iatrogenic deaths?

See: http://www.nutritioninstituteofamerica.org/research/Deat-
hByMedicine/DeathByMedicine1.htm
http://www.surgicenteronline.com/hotnews/5bh39405091724.html
http://www.healingdaily.com/Doctors-Are-The-Third-Leading-Cau-
se-of-Death-in-the-US.htm
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/print?id=1211180

Knock the sleaziest people of medicine
-----
Try knocking the sleaziest people associated with conventional
medicine. Quackpots are the easiest targets to pick on. Nobody
likes bigotry, even in medicine. Attack the bigots of
medicine: The Crackpots.

See: http://www.quackpotwatch.org/ http://www.bolenreport.net/
http://www.wcanews.com/archives/2002/may2202c.htm

Academic science kooks, like Montygram, are also good choices
because they exhibit nutty behavior.

The sleaziest physicians are the shrinks. Shrinks write more
multiple drug prescriptions than any other branch of medicine.
Shrinks write prescriptions for the medicalization of life,
such as for social anxiety. Shrinks, also, are the ones who
are turning our school children into life long drug addicts.

Knock instances of health fraud being committed by
conventional medicine
-----
Nobody is in favor of health fraud. Point out instances of
health fraud, like hospitals promoting through advertisement
medically unnecessary diagnostic tests, like expensive CT
scans, for very questionable health benefits. Ask whether
routinely recommended diagnostic tests, like mammograms are
really medically necessary, or are they just conventional
medicine trying to scam the public out of their money? Many
public health authorities are actually against them.

See: http://www.northamericanconsumersagainsthealthfraud.org/
http://www.usdoj.gov/dag/pubdoc/hipaa01fe19.htm http://www.qu-
ackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/ct.html

Knock the flu vaccination industry
-----
Are you against vaccinations in general? Then the easiest
vaccine to attack is the flu vaccine. It has very little going
for it. The theory behind it is laughable. The people most in
need of the shots are documented to have received little
benefit from taking them. Try knocking the annual health scare
that is always being manufacture by the vaccination industry,
such as the coming bird flu pandemic to your neighborhood.

Every year, flu vaccine manufacturers have to predict which
strains of the flu will be prevalent, and the vaccine is a
mixture of three flu strains. But if the manufacturers guess
wrong, the vaccine is useless, and nobody is protected against
the flu. This is a fact, NOT wishful thinking on my part.

These decisions are made by a WHO-sanctioned committee in the
spring because it takes several months to gear up for vaccine
production. So, comparing it to weather forecasting these flu
industry crackpots think that they can accurately predict what
the weather will be nine months from today. Does anybody take
the flu vaccination industry seriously?

The success of a given influenza vaccination depends largely
on the antigenic match between the 3 influenza vaccine strains
and the virus strains actually circulating during a given flu
season. Each year the influenza virus experiences what these
crackpots call an antigenic drift or a shift. Shift variants
cause people to escape any immunity from prior vaccinations or
infections. This was the case for the influenza pandemics of
1918, 1957 and 1968. "In fact, in almost all years, by the end
of the flu season, some new strain or some new drift species
will show up," said Dr. Julie Gerberding, director of the CDC,
during a press conference on Nov. 17, 2003. The 1997/1998
season is on record for having had a considerable mismatch
between the H3N2 vaccine component and the prevalent epidemic
influenza A(H3N2) virus. In the 2003-04 flu season the
vaccination protected against H3N2 Panama, H1N1 New Caledonia
and Influenza B Hong Kong. As expected, a Fujian variant of
the H3N2 Panama was detected by global surveillance in
Australia early in 2003. Since the flu vaccination industry is
so slow to respond it was too late to include that strain in
the influenza vaccine for that flu season. This missing strain
was in fact responsible for most of the influenza-related
deaths during the 2003-04 flu season.

See: http://media.www.universitychronicle.com/media/paper231/-
news/2004/01/29/News/Flu-Shot.May.Be.Overrated-591937.shtml?s-
ourcedomain=www.universitychronicle.com&MIIHost=media.college-
publisher.com http://www.csmmh.org/flualert.htm
http://www.mercola.com/2004/oct/23/flu_crimes.htm http://www.-
medkb.com/uwe/Forum.aspx/alternative/7941/HYPING-VACCINES-AN--
INVESTIGATION http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?c-
md=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=16208317

Knock the well known failures of conventional medicine
-----
One of the most dramatic failures of conventional medicine was
their campaign to wipe out tuberculosis (i.e., TB). It was a
miserable failure that has been widely reported upon.

See: Holme C. Tuberculosis: story of medical failure BMJ. 1998
Oct 31;317(7167):1260.
http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/317/7167/1260
PMID: 97948

Conventional medicine's failure to control malaria worldwide
will provide you with an even bigger laugh! Conventional
medicine has failed miserably at trying to control malaria
worldwide. This fact alone strongly suggests that medicine had
nothing to do with the eradication of malaria in America.
Medicine's malaria vaccine is a total farce

http://archive.idrc.ca/books/reports/1996/01-05e.html "In
1987, Dr. Manuel Elkin Patarroyo, a biochemist from Colombia,
developed the first synthetic vaccine against the Plasmodium
falciparum parasite. The vaccine is still being developed and
has not yet proven to reduce deaths in Africa."

Malaria was eradicated in America by controlling the
mosquitoes, just like the plague disappeared from Europe with
better rat control. Medicine had next to nothing to do with
it. It was a natural bi-product of land development in the
South, that drained the swamps, that conquered malaria in
America. Even if the use of DDT helped to control the
mosquitoes it certainly was NOT the result of medicine.

For more vaccine failures see: http://www.garynull.com/Docume-
nts/Vaccines/VaccinesOpinion/vaccines-2ndop04Effects.htm
--
by John Gohde Report all factural errors in this message to:
webmaster[atsign]naturalhealthperspective[period]com

[Johngohde@]

Operations manual for how to have a good time laughing at the
farce called conventional medicine.

UPDATE HISTORY:
1. Added links to psychotropic medications to children
2. Added links to polypharmacy in children as well as in
the elderly.
3. Knock the flu vaccination industry: Made more changes.
4. Knock the flu vaccination industry: Added a lot more
details.
5. Knock the well known failures of conventional medicine:
Added Malaria.

I have received no reports of factual error, to date.

The best way to attack strength is by constantly picking at
its weakest points.

Medicine has some very well known weak points that are worthy
of everyone's scorn.
6. Knock the high cost of health care in America.
7. Knock iatrogenic deaths.
8. Knock the sleaziest people of medicine.
9. Knock instances of health fraud being committed by
conventional medicine.
10. Knock the flu vaccination industry.
11. Knock the well known failures of conventional medicine.

Knock the high cost of health care in America
-----
The most favorable response will come from attacking the high
cost of medicine. Physicians are directly affected by the high
cost of malpractice insurance just as much as the patients
are. Why does health issuance cost so much? And, why in a few
decades is the cost of health insurance expected to be totally
unaffordable? Why are people without health insurance, but
willing to pay cash, being forced to endure all manner of
verbal abuse as part of the process of receiving health care?
Why are physicians forcing patients to pay for tests that
serve no purpose other than to protect doctors from lawsuits?

See: http://www.nchc.org/facts/cost.shtml http://www.yourdoct-
orinthefamily.com/grandtheory/section2_4.htm
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04284/392799.stm

Knock iatrogenic deaths
-----
Deaths from adverse drug reactions (ADR) has widely been
reported to be the 3rd leading cause of death in America.
The practice of conventional medicine can be dangerous to
your health. Why is there a conspiracy by conventional
medicine to cover up totally unnecessary deaths caused by
conventional medicine? And, why are doctors not routinely
prosecuted for manslaughter or criminal negligence for these
wrongful iatrogenic deaths? The demographic group mostly
likely to be receiving highly dangerous polypharmacy by
physicians are the elderly.

See: http://www.nutritioninstituteofamerica.org/research/Deat-
hByMedicine/DeathByMedicine1.htm
http://www.surgicenteronline.com/hotnews/5bh39405091724.html
http://www.healingdaily.com/Doctors-Are-The-Third-Leading-Cau-
se-of-Death-in-the-US.htm
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/print?id=1211180
http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~issues/fall95/polypharmacy.html
http://www.healthhub.ie/index.cfm/loc/6-7-3/articleId/F4EB545-
5-8908-47DB-BCAF9A23005CCF01.htm

Knock the sleaziest people of medicine
-----
Try knocking the sleaziest people associated with conventional
medicine. Quackpots are the easiest targets to pick on. Nobody
likes bigotry, even in medicine. Attack the bigots of
medicine: The Crackpots.

See: http://www.quackpotwatch.org/ http://www.bolenreport.net/
http://www.wcanews.com/archives/2002/may2202c.htm

Academic science kooks, like Montygram, are also good choices
because they exhibit nutty behavior.

The sleaziest physicians are the shrinks. Shrinks write more
multiple drug prescriptions than any other branch of medicine.
Shrinks write prescriptions for the medicalization of life,
such as for social anxiety. Shrinks, also, are the ones who
are turning our school children into life long drug addicts.

See: http://www.asfar.org/zine/2nd/drugs.html http://psychrig-
hts.org/Research/Digest/ADHD/MedicatingKids.pdf
http://www.aacap.org/publications/policy/ps41.htm
http://www.liftingtheveil.org/foster13.htm http://www.antidep-
ressantsfacts.com/2004-09-22-suicide-rates-doubled-5-14.htm

Knock instances of health fraud being committed by
conventional medicine
-----
Nobody is in favor of health fraud. Point out instances of
health fraud, like hospitals promoting through advertisement
medically unnecessary diagnostic tests, like expensive CT
scans, for very questionable health benefits. Ask whether
routinely recommended diagnostic tests, like mammograms are
really medically necessary, or are they just conventional
medicine trying to scam the public out of their money? Many
public health authorities are actually against them.

See: http://www.northamericanconsumersagainsthealthfraud.org/
http://www.usdoj.gov/dag/pubdoc/hipaa01fe19.htm http://www.qu-
ackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/ct.html

Knock the flu vaccination industry
-----
Are you against vaccinations in general? Then the easiest
vaccine to attack is the flu vaccine. It has very little going
for it. The theory behind it is laughable. The people most in
need of the shots are documented to have received little
benefit from taking them. Try knocking the annual health scare
that is always being manufacture by the vaccination industry,
such as the coming bird flu pandemic to your neighborhood.

Every year, flu vaccine manufacturers have to predict which
strains of the flu will be prevalent, and the vaccine is a
mixture of three flu strains. But if the manufacturers guess
wrong, the vaccine is useless, and nobody is protected against
the flu. This is a fact, NOT wishful thinking on my part.

These decisions are made by a WHO-sanctioned committee in the
spring because it takes several months to gear up for vaccine
production. So, comparing it to weather forecasting these flu
industry crackpots think that they can accurately predict what
the weather will be nine months from today. Does anybody take
the flu vaccination industry seriously?

The success of a given influenza vaccination depends largely
on the antigenic match between the 3 influenza vaccine strains
and the virus strains actually circulating during a given flu
season. Each year the influenza virus experiences what these
crackpots call an antigenic drift or a shift. Shift variants
cause people to escape any immunity from prior vaccinations or
infections. This was the case for the influenza pandemics of
1918, 1957 and 1968. "In fact, in almost all years, by the end
of the flu season, some new strain or some new drift species
will show up," said Dr. Julie Gerberding, director of the CDC,
during a press conference on Nov. 17, 2003. The 1997/1998
season is on record for having had a considerable mismatch
between the H3N2 vaccine component and the prevalent epidemic
influenza A(H3N2) virus. In the 2003-04 flu season the
vaccination protected against H3N2 Panama, H1N1 New Caledonia
and Influenza B Hong Kong. As expected, a Fujian variant of
the H3N2 Panama was detected by global surveillance in
Australia early in 2003. Since the flu vaccination industry is
so slow to respond it was too late to include that strain in
the influenza vaccine for that flu season. This missing strain
was in fact responsible for most of the influenza-related
deaths during the 2003-04 flu season.

See: http://media.www.universitychronicle.com/media/paper231/-
news/2004/01/29/News/Flu-Shot.May.Be.Overrated-591937.shtml?s-
ourcedomain=www.universitychronicle.com&MIIHost=media.college-
publisher.com http://www.csmmh.org/flualert.htm
http://www.mercola.com/2004/oct/23/flu_crimes.htm http://www.-
medkb.com/uwe/Forum.aspx/alternative/7941/HYPING-VACCINES-AN--
INVESTIGATION http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?c-
md=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=16208317

Knock the well known failures of conventional medicine
-----
One of the most dramatic failures of conventional medicine was
their campaign to wipe out tuberculosis (i.e., TB). It was a
miserable failure that has been widely reported upon.

See: Holme C. Tuberculosis: story of medical failure BMJ. 1998
Oct 31;317(7167):1260.
http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/317/7167/1260
PMID: 97948

Conventional medicine's failure to control malaria worldwide
will provide you with an even bigger laugh! Conventional
medicine has failed miserably at trying to control malaria
worldwide. This fact alone strongly suggests that medicine had
nothing to do with the eradication of malaria in America.
Medicine's malaria vaccine is a total farce

http://archive.idrc.ca/books/reports/1996/01-05e.html "In
1987, Dr. Manuel Elkin Patarroyo, a biochemist from Colombia,
developed the first synthetic vaccine against the Plasmodium
falciparum parasite. The vaccine is still being developed and
has not yet proven to reduce deaths in Africa."

Malaria was eradicated in America by controlling the
mosquitoes, just like the plague disappeared from Europe with
better rat control. Medicine had next to nothing to do with
it. It was a natural bi-product of land development in the
South, that drained the swamps, that conquered malaria in
America. Even if the use of DDT helped to control the
mosquitoes it certainly was NOT the result of medicine.

For more vaccine failures see: http://www.garynull.com/Docume-
nts/Vaccines/VaccinesOpinion/vaccines-2ndop04Effects.htm
--
by John Gohde Report all factural errors in this message to:
webmaster[atsign]naturalhealthperspective[period]com

[Johngohde@]

Operations manual for how to have a good time laughing at the
farce called conventional medicine.

I have received no reports of factual error, to date.

The best way to attack strength is by constantly picking at
its weakest points.

Medicine has some very well known weak points that are worthy
of everyone's scorn.
1. Knock the high cost of health care in America.
2. Knock iatrogenic deaths.
3. Knock the sleaziest people of medicine.
4. Knock instances of health fraud being committed by
conventional medicine.
5. Knock the flu vaccination industry.
6. Knock the well known failures of conventional medicine.

Knock the high cost of health care in America
-----
The most favorable response will come from attacking the high
cost of medicine. Physicians are directly affected by the high
cost of malpractice insurance just as much as the patients
are. Why does health issuance cost so much? And, why in a few
decades is the cost of health insurance expected to be totally
unaffordable? Why are people without health insurance, but
willing to pay cash, being forced to endure all manner of
verbal abuse as part of the process of receiving health care?
Why are physicians forcing patients to pay for tests that
serve no purpose other than to protect doctors from lawsuits?

See: http://www.nchc.org/facts/cost.shtml http://www.yourdoct-
orinthefamily.com/grandtheory/section2_4.htm
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04284/392799.stm

Knock iatrogenic deaths
-----
Deaths from adverse drug reactions (ADR) has widely been
reported to be the 3rd leading cause of death in America.
The practice of conventional medicine can be dangerous to
your health. Why is there a conspiracy by conventional
medicine to cover up totally unnecessary deaths caused by
conventional medicine? And, why are doctors not routinely
prosecuted for manslaughter or criminal negligence for these
wrongful iatrogenic deaths? The demographic group mostly
likely to be receiving highly dangerous polypharmacy by
physicians are the elderly.

See: http://www.nutritioninstituteofamerica.org/research/Deat-
hByMedicine/DeathByMedicine1.htm
http://www.surgicenteronline.com/hotnews/5bh39405091724.html
http://www.healingdaily.com/Doctors-Are-The-Third-Leading-Cau-
se-of-Death-in-the-US.htm
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/print?id=1211180
http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~issues/fall95/polypharmacy.html
http://www.healthhub.ie/index.cfm/loc/6-7-3/articleId/F4EB545-
5-8908-47DB-BCAF9A23005CCF01.htm

Knock the sleaziest people of medicine
-----
Try knocking the sleaziest people associated with conventional
medicine. Quackpots are the easiest targets to pick on. Nobody
likes bigotry, even in medicine. Attack the bigots of
medicine: The Crackpots.

See: http://www.quackpotwatch.org/ http://www.bolenreport.net/
http://www.wcanews.com/archives/2002/may2202c.htm

Academic science kooks, like Montygram, are also good choices
because they exhibit nutty behavior.

The sleaziest physicians are the shrinks. Shrinks write more
multiple drug prescriptions than any other branch of medicine.
Shrinks write prescriptions for the medicalization of life,
such as for social anxiety. Shrinks, also, are the ones who
are turning our school children into life long drug addicts.

See: http://www.asfar.org/zine/2nd/drugs.html http://psychrig-
hts.org/Research/Digest/ADHD/MedicatingKids.pdf
http://www.aacap.org/publications/policy/ps41.htm
http://www.liftingtheveil.org/foster13.htm http://www.antidep-
ressantsfacts.com/2004-09-22-suicide-rates-doubled-5-14.htm

Knock instances of health fraud being committed by
conventional medicine
-----
Nobody is in favor of health fraud. Point out instances of
health fraud, like hospitals promoting through advertisement
medically unnecessary diagnostic tests, like expensive CT
scans, for very questionable health benefits. Ask whether
routinely recommended diagnostic tests, like mammograms are
really medically necessary, or are they just conventional
medicine trying to scam the public out of their money? Many
public health authorities are actually against them.

See: http://www.northamericanconsumersagainsthealthfraud.org/
http://www.usdoj.gov/dag/pubdoc/hipaa01fe19.htm http://www.qu-
ackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/ct.html

Knock the flu vaccination industry
-----
Are you against vaccinations in general? Then the easiest
vaccine to attack is the flu vaccine. It has very little going
for it. The theory behind it is laughable. The people most in
need of the shots are documented to have received little
benefit from taking them. Try knocking the annual health scare
that is always being manufacture by the vaccination industry,
such as the coming bird flu pandemic to your neighborhood.

Every year, flu vaccine manufacturers have to predict which
strains of the flu will be prevalent, and the vaccine is a
mixture of three flu strains. But if the manufacturers guess
wrong, the vaccine is useless, and nobody is protected against
the flu. This is a fact, NOT wishful thinking on my part.

These decisions are made by a WHO-sanctioned committee in the
spring because it takes several months to gear up for vaccine
production. So, comparing it to weather forecasting these flu
industry crackpots think that they can accurately predict what
the weather will be nine months from today. Does anybody take
the flu vaccination industry seriously?

The success of a given influenza vaccination depends largely
on the antigenic match between the 3 influenza vaccine strains
and the virus strains actually circulating during a given flu
season. Each year the influenza virus experiences what these
crackpots call an antigenic drift or a shift. Shift variants
cause people to escape any immunity from prior vaccinations or
infections. This was the case for the influenza pandemics of
1918, 1957 and 1968. "In fact, in almost all years, by the end
of the flu season, some new strain or some new drift species
will show up," said Dr. Julie Gerberding, director of the CDC,
during a press conference on Nov. 17, 2003. The 1997/1998
season is on record for having had a considerable mismatch
between the H3N2 vaccine component and the prevalent epidemic
influenza A(H3N2) virus. In the 2003-04 flu season the
vaccination protected against H3N2 Panama, H1N1 New Caledonia
and Influenza B Hong Kong. As expected, a Fujian variant of
the H3N2 Panama was detected by global surveillance in
Australia early in 2003. Since the flu vaccination industry is
so slow to respond it was too late to include that strain in
the influenza vaccine for that flu season. This missing strain
was in fact responsible for most of the influenza-related
deaths during the 2003-04 flu season.

See: http://media.www.universitychronicle.com/media/paper231/-
news/2004/01/29/News/Flu-Shot.May.Be.Overrated-591937.shtml?s-
ourcedomain=www.universitychronicle.com&MIIHost=media.college-
publisher.com http://www.csmmh.org/flualert.htm
http://www.mercola.com/2004/oct/23/flu_crimes.htm http://www.-
medkb.com/uwe/Forum.aspx/alternative/7941/HYPING-VACCINES-AN--
INVESTIGATION http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?c-
md=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=16208317

Knock the well known failures of conventional medicine
-----
One of the most dramatic failures of conventional medicine was
their campaign to wipe out tuberculosis (i.e., TB). It was a
miserable failure that has been widely reported upon.

See: Holme C. Tuberculosis: story of medical failure BMJ. 1998
Oct 31;317(7167):1260.
http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/317/7167/1260
PMID: 97948

Conventional medicine's failure to control malaria worldwide
will provide you with an even bigger laugh! Conventional
medicine has failed miserably at trying to control malaria
worldwide. This fact alone strongly suggests that medicine had
nothing to do with the eradication of malaria in America.
Medicine's malaria vaccine is a total farce

http://archive.idrc.ca/books/reports/1996/01-05e.html "In
1987, Dr. Manuel Elkin Patarroyo, a biochemist from Colombia,
developed the first synthetic vaccine against the Plasmodium
falciparum parasite. The vaccine is still being developed and
has not yet proven to reduce deaths in Africa."

Malaria was eradicated in America by controlling the
mosquitoes, just like the plague disappeared from Europe with
better rat control. Medicine had next to nothing to do with
it. It was a natural bi-product of land development in the
South, that drained the swamps, that conquered malaria in
America. Even if the use of DDT helped to control the
mosquitoes it certainly was NOT the result of medicine.

For more vaccine failures see: http://www.garynull.com/Docume-
nts/Vaccines/VaccinesOpinion/vaccines-2ndop04Effects.htm
--
by John Gohde Report all factural errors in this message to:
webmaster[atsign]naturalhealthperspective[period]com

[David Wrig]

In article
<1135610207.308109.309820@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com
<johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:
>Operations manual for how to have a good time laughing at the
>farce called conventional medicine.
>
>I have received no reports of factual error, to date.

Yes you have. But your invincible combination of ignorance and
stupidity keeps you from recognizing them.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If you
can't say something nice, then sit next to me." -- Alice
Roosevelt Longworth