Gestational Diabetes / iron

[Ironjustic]

They find genetic iron mutations COMMON in those with
gestational diabetes .. AND .. find iron is ALWAYS .. higher
..

<<snip>> serum ferritin levels were increased in patients with
GDM compared to healthy pregnant controls <<snip>>

Fetal Diagn Ther. 2005 Sep-Oct;20(5):349-54. Related
Articles, Links

Increased C282Y Heterozygosity in Gestational Diabetes.

Cauza E, Hanusch-Enserer U, Bischof M, Spak M, Kostner K,
Tammaa A, Dunky A, Ferenci P.

Department of Internal Medicine V, Department of
Diabetes, Metabolism and Rheumatology, Wilhelminenspital,
Vienna, Austria.

Background: Hereditary hemochromatosis is an autosomal
recessive disorder of iron metabolism that is characterized by
excess accumulation of iron in various organs and often leads
to diabetes mellitus (DM). To study whether mutations in the
hemochromatosis gene (HFE) could be a risk factor for the
development of gestational diabetes mellitus (GDM), the
prevalence of HFE mutations in patients with GDM was compared
to that of healthy pregnant controls. Methods: GDM was
diagnosed in 208 of 2,421 pregnant woman screened between the
24th and 28thweek of gestation over a period of 18 months.
Patients and 170 matched control subjects were screened for
the HFE gene mutations C282Y and H63D. Results: In North and
Central European GDM patients, the allele frequency of the
C282Y mutation (7.7%) was higher than in pregnant controls
(2.9%; p = 0.04), while the frequency of the H63D mutation was
not different (p = 0.45). Three patients with GDM were
homozygous for H63D (3.1%), 1 patient was homozygous for C282Y
(1.0%), 2 patients were compound heterozygous (2.0%) and 26
were heterozygous [11 C282Y (11.2%) and 15 H63D (15.3%)].
C282Y and H63D allele frequencies were not different between
controls and GDM patients of Southern European or non-European
origin. Irrespective of the HFE-mutation status, serum
ferritin levels were increased in patients with GDM compared
to healthy pregnant controls (p = 0.01), while transferrin
saturation was similar in both groups. Conclusions: In North
and Central European patients with GDM, the C282Y allele
frequency is higher than in healthy pregnant women, suggesting
a genetic susceptibility to the development of GDM. Copyright
(c) 2005 S. Karger AG, Basel.

PMID: 16113552 [PubMed - in process]

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[outsor]

"They find genetic iron mutations COMMON in those with
gestational diabetes .. AND .. find iron is ALWAYS .. higher
..

<<snip>> serum ferritin levels were increased in patients with
GDM compared to healthy pregnant controls"

Just so, those with the genetic disorder which causes abnormal
iron levels can have gestational diabetes. Even those who are
not women and not pregnant with this genetic disorder are at
higher risk for diabetes, so your logic and it's relationship
to anything is not clear. We know people without the genetic
disorder do not get diabetes because of iron in their diet,
based on a large population study:

1. iron level not related to risk level of diabetes

2. iron from fish and poultry not related to risk

3. bloodletting not related to risk of diabetes,ie. doesn't
help or hurt

[Ma¢K]

On 23 Aug 2005 05:07:28 -0700, "ironjustice@aol.com"
<ironjustice@aol.com> Huffed and Puffed the following into the
madness of usenet:

If ANY pregnant woman is reading the iron troll's bullshit for
the first time do yourself a favor and kill file him. He'll
gladly misinform you and then blame you if anything happens to
your unborn child.

If you have "gestational diabetes =GD" then go to your doctor
and demand to be referred to a high risk pregnancy specialist
who specifically cares for GD patients. Also check out
http://www.diabeticmommy.com and
http://www.childrenwithdiabetes.org and
http://www.insulin-pumpers.org preferably in the order they
are listed.

As a woman and child with GD, your needs are unique amongst
pregnant pairs and you should demand the best qualified
medical help you can get access to.

Stay away from nuts and kooks and trolls like Tom aka
ironjustice, he is a nut case.

There are plenty of women in the diabetes groups now who
had GD while pregnant who were type 1 or type 2 diabetics
before getting pregnant, who will be more than happy to
help you as well.

--
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[Oldal4865]

outsor@citynet.net wrote in message
<430b6ee5$0$279$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com>...
>"They find genetic iron mutations COMMON in those with
>gestational diabetes .. AND .. find iron is ALWAYS ..
>higher ..
>
. . .(snip). . .>
>1. iron level not related to risk level of diabetes
>
>2. iron from fish and poultry not related to risk
>
>3. bloodletting not related to risk of diabetes,ie. doesn't
> help or hurt

You are having a debate with a nut who thinks that iron is
the cause of most of human diseases. It's nice of you to
refute his crazy statements so that any casual observers
won't be dangerously misled.

However, bottom line. . .you are having a conversation
with a nut.

Regards Old Al

[Ironjustic]

So .. Mack .. what you are saying is ..

"the article doesn't say anything about iron being found ONLY
in those with gestational diabetes .. "

The article DOES SAY .. " elevated iron found ONLY in those
with gestational diabetes .. "

You'd better watch what you say ..

It seems you are attempting to tell women NOT to worry about
elevated iron .. WHEN .. the article SPECIFICALLY states ..
IRON IS A PROBLEM ..

Don't much like .. live .. births ..

Do ya .. ya greasy ..fk ..

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[Ironjustic]

Old al ..

Surprising a big mouth like you has made it to .. old ..

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[Ironjustic]

<<snip>> Irrespective of the HFE-mutation status, serum
ferritin levels were increased in patients with GDM compared
to healthy pregnant controls <<snip>>

Since you didn't actually say .. anything .. about this thread
.. I decided to repeat the RELEVANT part ..

Those .. healthy women .. who did NOT .. get gestational
diabetes .. when compared to OTHER women who DO get
gestational diabetes .. AND who ALSO didn't have any
genetic predisposition TO iron overload .. the women who
get gestational diabetes .. ALWAYS have INCREASED ..
ferritin / iron ..

So attempt to .. twist / distort .. anything you want .. BUT
.. this article states .. iron overload / increased ferritin
.. found ALWAYS in women WITH .. gestationals diabetes ..

You say .. "no link .." ..

The researchers .. say .. "look .. a link .. !!"

I tend to believe researchers as opposed to a greasy fk like
yourself ..

But that is just .. me ..

But MACK believes ya ..

That is sort of like .. one greasy fk .. to another ..

Eh ..

Heh .. heh ..

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[Ma¢K]

On 23 Aug 2005 20:06:19 -0700, "ironjustice@aol.com"
<ironjustice@aol.com> Huffed and Puffed the following into the
madness of usenet:

I stand by my words, ironjustice aka tom the watch troll will
happily misinform anyone including a pregnant woman and blame
her for the death of her child if she is foolish enough to
follow his trolling crap.

--
Mâck©® Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org
http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt

(o o) --ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I
like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."

Jesus never hated anyone.

[Mortimer S]

Ma¢k wrote:
> On 23 Aug 2005 20:06:19 -0700, "ironjustice@aol.com"
> <ironjustice@aol.com> Huffed and Puffed the following into
> the madness of usenet:
>
>
> I stand by my words, ironjustice aka tom the watch troll
> will happily misinform anyone including a pregnant woman and
> blame her for the death of her child if she is foolish
> enough to follow his trolling crap.