Google Med School

[George Lag]

Topic: " Google Med School "

Now with the Internet having search capabilities where one can
obtain nutritional medicine knowledge, I wonder if medical
schools are changing the topics taught to medical students?

A friend came down with shingles. They took an anti-viral
pharm drug for a week. Then that person used the natural
medicine knowledge from the "Google Medical School" to find a
herbal based product to terminate shingles. In addition, they
contacted me to obtain that nutritional medicine package
containing several herbs formulated to resolve shingles. Plus
I told my friend about another anti-viral nutrient to use to
combat shingles.

They have started to use these two natural medicine to resolve
their shingles health condition.

[Tc]

George Lagergren wrote:
> Topic: " Google Med School "
>
> Now with the Internet having search capabilities where one
> can obtain nutritional medicine knowledge, I wonder if
> medical schools are changing the topics taught to medical
> students?
>
> A friend came down with shingles. They took an anti-viral
> pharm drug for a week. Then that person used the natural
> medicine knowledge from the "Google Medical School" to find
> a herbal based product to terminate shingles. In addition,
> they contacted me to obtain that nutritional medicine
> package containing several herbs formulated to resolve
> shingles. Plus I told my friend about another anti-viral
> nutrient to use to combat shingles.
>
> They have started to use these two natural medicine to
> resolve their shingles health condition.

Vitamin C and L-Lysine?

TC

[Jeff]

"George Lagergren" <gel44@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:YMbOe.7609$RZ2.5543@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> Topic: " Google Med School "
>
> Now with the Internet having search capabilities where one
> can obtain nutritional medicine knowledge, I wonder if
> medical schools are changing the topics taught to medical
> students?
>
> A friend came down with shingles. They took an anti-viral
> pharm drug for a week. Then that person used the natural
> medicine knowledge from the "Google Medical School" to find
> a herbal based product to terminate shingles. In addition,
> they contacted me to obtain that nutritional medicine
> package containing several herbs formulated to resolve
> shingles. Plus I told my friend about another anti-viral
> nutrient to use to combat shingles.
>
> They have started to use these two natural medicine to
> resolve their shingles health condition.

And they will continue to suffer because of ineffective
treatment. Ability to search the internet does not mean one
will find good, accurate information. There is a lot of crap
on the internet, as your storey shows.

Jeff

[Nick]

> And they will continue to suffer because of ineffective
> treatment. Ability to search the internet does not mean one
> will find good, accurate information. There is a lot of crap
> on the internet, as your storey shows.
>
> Jeff

true true. However you can never expect to get a natural
health solution from an MD either. Why? because its not their
"speciality"

I once read a thread on Sci. med. This cat was making a point
that only 6% of first year residents at Boston Gen could
differentiate a basal cell carcinoma, while 100% of Barber
students in Mass could. Thus a thumbnail of why health care
costs are a staggering percentage of the GNP.

Some MD defended the bungling incompetence of the residents
because they had yet to pick their organ of choice and if that
organ was not the skin, well then it doesnt matter if as a
trained Medical Doctor you can differentiate this all to
common health problem.

So to expect that your MD could or would recommend a natural
solution ( vitamin, herb, mineral, other botanical) for any
given health problem...well that borders on hysteria.

Besides he or she might become a target of Stephen Barret
ifn he does

[Tc]

Nick wrote:
> >
> > And they will continue to suffer because of ineffective
> > treatment. Ability to search the internet does not mean
> > one will find good, accurate information. There is a lot
> > of crap on the internet, as your storey shows.
> >
> > Jeff
>
> true true. However you can never expect to get a natural
> health solution from an MD either. Why? because its not
> their "speciality"
>
> I once read a thread on Sci. med. This cat was making a
> point that only 6% of first year residents at Boston Gen
> could differentiate a basal cell carcinoma, while 100% of
> Barber students in Mass could. Thus a thumbnail of why
> health care costs are a staggering percentage of the GNP.
>
> Some MD defended the bungling incompetence of the residents
> because they had yet to pick their organ of choice and if
> that organ was not the skin, well then it doesnt matter if
> as a trained Medical Doctor you can differentiate this all
> to common health problem.
>
> So to expect that your MD could or would recommend a natural
> solution ( vitamin, herb, mineral, other botanical) for any
> given health problem...well that borders on hysteria.
>
> Besides he or she might become a target of Stephen Barret
> ifn he does

I think that trained monkeys could do as good a job and an MD.
Or just set up a medical techician with a computer and a
medical program. Input symptoms, output a probable condition
and a prescription.

It seems that that all an allopathic MD does now, is collect a
list of symptoms, guess at a possible diagnosis and prescribe
the appropriate drug based on the current AMA procedures
manual. In the meanwhile ignore the patients nutrtional status
completely or suggest they lose weight by cutting back fats or
suggest that they cut salt from their diet. Those seem to be
the only nutrients that doctors care about, fats and salt.

TC

[Mr-Natural]

George Lagergren wrote:

> Topic: " Google Med School "
>
> A friend came down with shingles. They took an anti-viral
> pharm drug for a week. Then that person used the natural
> medicine knowledge from the "Google Medical School" to find
> a herbal based product to terminate shingles. In addition,
> they contacted me to obtain that nutritional medicine
> package containing several herbs formulated to resolve
> shingles. Plus I told my friend about another anti-viral
> nutrient to use to combat shingles.

Huh? What does that have to do with med school? Absolutely
nothing!!!

The Google search should obviously be: alternative shingles
treatment OR treating OR self-care "antiviral"

> They have started to use these two natural medicine to
> resolve their shingles health condition.

And? Oh! That is right, you are just trolling.

I shall ask again: "Why waste money buying the book _Natural
Cures_ when you have the Internet and Google?"

[Robert]

"Nick" <innatehealing@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1124719740.061122.123550@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> >
> > And they will continue to suffer because of ineffective
> > treatment.
Ability
> > to search the internet does not mean one will find good,
> > accurate information. There is a lot of crap on the
> > internet, as your storey
shows.
> >
> > Jeff
>
> true true. However you can never expect to get a natural
> health solution from an MD either. Why? because its not
> their "speciality"
>
There specialty is not puting your feet in urine home
treatments. I don't go to MD's for unproven kitchen remedies.
> I once read a thread on Sci. med. This cat was making a
> point that only 6% of first year residents at Boston Gen
> could differentiate a basal cell carcinoma, while 100% of
> Barber students in Mass could. Thus a thumbnail of why
> health care costs are a staggering percentage of the GNP.
Why is that. It's high because people don't want to wait like
in Canada and die waiting. It is cheaper to have people die.
Basal cell carcinoma is diagnosed by a pathologist and last I
heard Barbers don't do microscopic diagnosis nor surgery. I
some countries they might use barbers because it's cheaper to
have their GNP ratio down.
>
> Some MD defended the bungling incompetence of the residents
> because they had yet to pick their organ of choice and if
> that organ was not the skin, well then it doesnt matter if
> as a trained Medical Doctor you can differentiate this all
> to common health problem.

Let's see here why don't we get first year barbers and see how
good they do.
>
> So to expect that your MD could or would recommend a natural
> solution ( vitamin, herb, mineral, other botanical) for any
> given health problem...well that borders on hysteria.
It does. I wouldn't go to them for something I can get on my
own. Go to the store and buy what you want and read every
idiotic book out there and try it. If it doesn't work then go
to the doctor. I don't want doctors using hysteria to treat
anybody. We have enough idiots like you who know so much about
vitamins and such that people make a living on it. Heaven
forbid they do a clinical trial proving efficacy.
>
> Besides he or she might become a target of Stephen Barret
> ifn he does
>

Buy a book from Kevin Trudeau clown and cure yourself of
cancer.

[Sbharris-L]

Nick wrote:

> I once read a thread on Sci. med. This cat was making a
> point that only 6% of first year residents at Boston Gen
> could differentiate a basal cell carcinoma, while 100% of
> Barber students in Mass could. Thus a thumbnail of why
> health care costs are a staggering percentage of the GNP.

COMMENT:

Well, Massachusetts must have gone back in the era of
barber-surgeons, then, because you can't do that 100%
accurately without doing a biopsy. FYI.

SBH

[outsor]

Shingles is one of those conditions that come and go and makes
it the perfect "proving ground" for "cures" not based in
scientific research. "Just take these majic pills and I
garntee they will go away". Ever notice how many alternative
"drugs" are for episodic chronic conditions that normally wax
and wane and/or most likely have a quite large
psychological underpinning?

[George Lag]

Topic: " Google Med School "

> George Lagergren wrote: Now with the Internet having search
> capabilities where one can obtain nutritional medicine
> knowledge, I wonder if medical schools are changing
the
> topics taught to medical students?
>
> A friend came down with shingles. They took an anti-viral
> pharm drug for
a
> week. Then that person used the natural medicine knowledge
> from the
"Google
> Medical School" to find a herbal based product to terminate
> shingles. In addition, they contacted me to obtain that
> nutritional medicine package containing several herbs
> formulated to resolve shingles. Plus I told my friend about
> another anti-viral nutrient to use to combat shingles.
>
> They have started to use these two natural medicine to
> resolve their shingles health condition.

"TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote: Vitamin C and L-Lysine?

One of the nutrients was the amino acid, L-Lysine.
Since L-Lysine has anti-viral properities. The other
was a herbal blend of about six herbs made by a
commercial company called Zynoxin. Their web site
is: www.zynoxin.com .

But Vitamin C may act in anti-viral mode. The herb
garlic possess anti-viral properities, too.

[George Lag]

Topic: " Google Med School "

> "George Lagergren" <gel44@earthlink.net> wrote: Now with the
> Internet having search capabilities where one can obtain
> nutritional medicine knowledge, I wonder if medical schools
> are changing the topics taught to medical students?
>
> A friend came down with shingles. They took an anti-viral
> pharm drug for a week. Then that person used the natural
> medicine knowledge from the "Google Medical School" to find
> a herbal based product to terminate
shingles. In
> addition, they contacted me to obtain that nutritional
> medicine package containing several herbs formulated to
> resolve shingles. Plus I told my friend about another
> anti-viral nutrient to use to combat shingles.
>
> They have started to use these two natural medicine to
> resolve their shingles health condition.

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> replied:
> And they will continue to suffer because of ineffective
> treatment. Ability to search the internet does not mean one
> will find good, accurate information. There is a lot of crap
> on the internet, as your story shows.

Jeff, the use of baseline medicine, (that is,
NUTRITIONAL MEDICINE) is NOT an ineffective medical
treatment. I have used baseline (nutritional)
medicine myself to resolve a few health conditions.

Just because 99% of M.D.s do NOT understand baseline
(nutritional) medicine does NOT mean that it is an
ineffective medical treatment.

[George Lag]

Topic: " Google Med School "

> George Lagergren wrote: A friend came down with shingles.
> They took an anti-viral pharm drug for
a
> week. Then that person used the natural medicine knowledge
> from the
"Google
> Medical School" to find a herbal based product to terminate
> shingles. In addition, they contacted me to obtain that
> nutritional medicine package containing several herbs
> formulated to resolve shingles. Plus I told my friend about
> another anti-viral nutrient to use to combat shingles.

"Mr-Natural-Health"
<johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:
> Huh? What does that have to do with med school? Absolutely
> nothing!!!

Everything. With the advent of the Internet and the
search engine, any real health nut can become a de
facto "nutritional medicine doctor" [NMD] by
learning how to do searches at the de facto "Google
Medical School".

> The Google search should obviously be: alternative shingles
> treatment OR treating OR self-care "antiviral"

Or search on: (shingles & (nutritional medicine)) .

> I shall ask again: "Why waste money buying the book _Natural
> Cures_ when you have the Internet and Google?"

You are right. The Internet with its sub-grouping of
the "Google Medical School" means the world wide web
has become a GIANT natural diet medicine and natural
nutritional medicine warehouse of medical knowledge.
No more bending down to the pharm drug type of M.D.

[George Lag]

<outsor@citynet.net> wrote:
> Shingles is one of those conditions that come and go and
> makes it the perfect "proving ground" for "cures" not based
> in scientific research. "Just take these majic pills and I
> garntee they will go away". Ever notice how many alternative
> "drugs" are for episodic chronic conditions that normally
> wax and wane and/or most likely have a quite large
> psychological underpinning?

Why should not shingles be treated by the use of
baseline (nutritional) medicine?

In fact, chronic health conditions should be
treated by using baseline (diet modification
and/or nutritional) medicine.

I treated my chronic strep throats by using diet
modification medicine. By stopping my consumption
of dairy products and my drinking of cow's milk,
my strep throats dis-appeared forever.

[Jeff]

"Nick" <innatehealing@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1124719740.061122.123550@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>>
>> And they will continue to suffer because of ineffective
>> treatment. Ability to search the internet does not mean one
>> will find good, accurate information. There is a lot of
>> crap on the internet, as your storey shows.
>>
>> Jeff
>
> true true. However you can never expect to get a natural
> health solution from an MD either. Why? because its not
> their "speciality"

An MD's specialty is medicine that has been shown to work.
Natural health "solutions" have, for the most part, not been
shown to work in any type of trial. For that, you need to go
to conmed (conjecture-based medicine, aka alternative
medicine).

> I once read a thread on Sci. med. This cat was making a
> point that only 6% of first year residents at Boston Gen
> could differentiate a basal cell carcinoma, while 100% of
> Barber students in Mass could. Thus a thumbnail of why
> health care costs are a staggering percentage of the GNP.

No, a thumbnail of why there is education for doctors beyound
medical school.

> Some MD defended the bungling incompetence of the residents
> because they had yet to pick their organ of choice and if
> that organ was not the skin, well then it doesnt matter if
> as a trained Medical Doctor you can differentiate this all
> to common health problem

Do you have a better solution? I mean, how do you train
doctors if they don't have some sort of apprenticeship?

> So to expect that your MD could or would recommend a natural
> solution ( vitamin, herb, mineral, other botanical) for any
> given health problem...well that borders on hysteria.

And stupidity. natural health "solutions" are only solutions
for an overfull wallet.

> Besides he or she might become a target of Stephen Barret
> ifn he does

Who cares about Barrett? it is the facts that count. And in
the case of natural "solutions," there is very little, if any,
evidence to back them up.

Jeff

[Jeff]

"TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1124720416.801882.163280@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>
> Nick wrote:
>> >
>> > And they will continue to suffer because of ineffective
>> > treatment. Ability to search the internet does not mean
>> > one will find good, accurate information. There is a lot
>> > of crap on the internet, as your storey shows.
>> >
>> > Jeff
>>
>> true true. However you can never expect to get a natural
>> health solution from an MD either. Why? because its not
>> their "speciality"
>>
>> I once read a thread on Sci. med. This cat was making a
>> point that only 6% of first year residents at Boston Gen
>> could differentiate a basal cell carcinoma, while 100% of
>> Barber students in Mass could. Thus a thumbnail of why
>> health care costs are a staggering percentage of the GNP.
>>
>> Some MD defended the bungling incompetence of the residents
>> because they had yet to pick their organ of choice and if
>> that organ was not the skin, well then it doesnt matter if
>> as a trained Medical Doctor you can differentiate this all
>> to common health problem.
>>
>> So to expect that your MD could or would recommend a
>> natural solution ( vitamin, herb, mineral, other botanical)
>> for any given health problem...well that borders on
>> hysteria.
>>
>> Besides he or she might become a target of Stephen Barret
>> ifn he does
>
> I think that trained monkeys could do as good a job
> and an MD.

If you send them through college, then med school and 3 years
or more of residency.

> Or just set up a medical techician with a computer and a
> medical program. Input symptoms, output a probable condition
> and a prescription.

Don't forget, you have to teach the computer physical exam,
how to do a medical history, etc. And you have to provide the
medical program with years of experience.

> It seems that that all an allopathic MD does now, is collect
> a list of symptoms, guess at a possible diagnosis and
> prescribe the appropriate drug based on the current AMA
> procedures manual.

The AMA doesn't have a procedures manual. Actually, it is
more like, based on the history, signs and symptoms, come up
with a list of possible diagnosis (called a differential
diagnosis), determine what tests or additional parts of the
physical exam or history would help determine what the
problem is, determine what the problem is, come up with a
reasonable treatment plan, and carry it out, all the while
monitoring the patient for side effects, effectiveness of the
treatment, new problems, etc.

> In the meanwhile ignore the patients nutrtional status
> completely or suggest they lose weight by cutting back
> fats or suggest that they cut salt from their diet. Those
> seem to be the only nutrients that doctors care about,
> fats and salt.

Fats cause heart attacks and salt can raise blood pressure in
some people. Both heart attacks and high blood pressure kill.
however, doctors are concerned about vitamins, minerals,
proteins, carbs, etc., too.

> TC

[Mr-Natural]

Robert wrote:

> I don't go to MD's for unproven kitchen remedies.

People go to MDs to be ignored, to pay through the nose for
services that they don't need (either directly or from health
insurance being deducted from their pay checks), and to get
that comforting prescription so that they can continue on
living their unhealthy lifestyles.

How many health news stories are we going to hear about
physicians ignoring women, telling them that they have nothing
to worry about, only to find out three years later that they
indeed have the cancer that they were complaining to their
doctor about? Only now, they are not curable because the
cancer is too advanced.

How many reports do you need, Robert?

[Sbharris-L]

George Lagergren wrote:
> You are right. The Internet with its sub-grouping
> of the "Google Medical School" means the world
> wide web has become a GIANT natural diet medicine
> and natural nutritional medicine warehouse of
> medical knowledge. No more bending down to the
> pharm drug type of M.D.

Ummm Hmmm. You take your herbal concoctions and this and
that for your bad case of shinlges, and see how much good
it does you.

We docs will skill keep the "shingle" out for you, when you
get tired of screwing around and giving your money to quacks.
Of course, by the time you figure that out, it may be too late
for antiviral help. So be warned that your stupidity here can
cost you a couple of extra months of mighty fine burning pain.

SBH

[Ted Rosenb]

Shhesh how stupid can you get not only posting the usual
"herbal" scams, but posting commercial scammers websites

George Lagergren wrote:
> Topic: " Google Med School "
>
>
>>George Lagergren wrote: Now with the Internet having search
>>capabilities where one can obtain nutritional medicine
>>knowledge, I wonder if medical schools are changing
>
> the
>
>>topics taught to medical students?
>>
>>A friend came down with shingles. They took an anti-viral
>>pharm drug for
>
> a
>
>>week. Then that person used the natural medicine knowledge
>>from the
>
> "Google
>
>>Medical School" to find a herbal based product to terminate
>>shingles. In addition, they contacted me to obtain that
>>nutritional medicine package containing several herbs
>>formulated to resolve shingles. Plus I told my friend about
>>another anti-viral nutrient to use to combat shingles.
>>
>>They have started to use these two natural medicine to
>>resolve their shingles health condition.
>
>
> "TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote: Vitamin C and L-Lysine?
>
> One of the nutrients was the amino acid, L-Lysine.
> Since L-Lysine has anti-viral properities. The
> other was a herbal blend of about six herbs made by
> a commercial company called Zynoxin. Their web site
> is: www.zynoxin.com .
>
> But Vitamin C may act in anti-viral mode. The herb
> garlic possess anti-viral properities, too.
>
>

--
"...in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as
history, a hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls
observing from the present" Glen Cook

[Ted Rosenb]

George Lagergren wrote:
> Topic: " Google Med School "
>
>
>>"George Lagergren" <gel44@earthlink.net> wrote: Now with the
>>Internet having search capabilities where one can obtain
>>nutritional medicine knowledge, I wonder if medical schools
>>are changing the topics taught to medical students?
>>
>>A friend came down with shingles. They took an anti-viral
>>pharm drug for a week. Then that person used the natural
>>medicine knowledge from the "Google Medical School" to find
>>a herbal based product to terminate
>
> shingles. In
>
>>addition, they contacted me to obtain that nutritional
>>medicine package containing several herbs formulated to
>>resolve shingles. Plus I told my friend about another
>>anti-viral nutrient to use to combat shingles.
>>
>>They have started to use these two natural medicine to
>>resolve their shingles health condition.
>
>
> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> replied:
>
>>And they will continue to suffer because of ineffective
>>treatment. Ability to search the internet does not mean one
>>will find good, accurate information. There is a lot of crap
>>on the internet, as your story shows.
>
>
> Jeff, the use of baseline medicine, (that is,
> NUTRITIONAL MEDICINE) is NOT an ineffective
> medical treatment. I have used baseline
> (nutritional) medicine myself to resolve a few
> health conditions.
>
> Just because 99% of M.D.s do NOT understand
> baseline (nutritional) medicine does NOT mean that
> it is an ineffective medical treatment.
>
>
No twit you son't have the slightest idwa about
:nutritional medicine" you keep repeating things PROBEN to
be worthless (like Vitimin C) ajnd you blather about othr
worthles nostrums.

Most physicians DO know somthing about nutrition, not false
crap from scammers websites

--
"...in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as
history, a hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls
observing from the present" Glen Cook

[Jeff]

"George Lagergren" <gel44@earthlink.net> wrote in
message news:jJwOe.538$_84.323@newsread1.news.atl.earth-
link.net... (...)

> Jeff, the use of baseline medicine, (that is,
> NUTRITIONAL MEDICINE) is NOT an ineffective medical
> treatment. I have used baseline (nutritional)
> medicine myself to resolve a few health conditions.
>
> Just because 99% of M.D.s do NOT understand
> baseline (nutritional) medicine does NOT mean that
> it is an ineffective medical treatment.

Give us evidence that it works.

Jeff

[Jeff]

"Mr-Natural-Health" <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com>
wrote in message
news:1124799832.844363.96820@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Robert wrote:
>
>> I don't go to MD's for unproven kitchen remedies.
>
> People go to MDs to be ignored, to pay through the nose for
> services that they don't need (either directly or from
> health insurance being deducted from their pay checks), and
> to get that comforting prescription so that they can
> continue on living their unhealthy lifestyles.
>
> How many health news stories are we going to hear about
> physicians ignoring women, telling them that they have
> nothing to worry about, only to find out three years later
> that they indeed have the cancer that they were complaining
> to their doctor about? Only now, they are not curable
> because the cancer is too advanced.

You're make some assumptions:

1) That getting attention is the same as effecting a cure. If
a quack, like a naturopathic quack, pays attention, the
quack still can do anything to help the problem.

2) That if the physician paid attention, the physician would
have been able to detect something. A lot of time, even
with extensive technology, you can't find cancers early.
And the tests are invasive.

3) That the doctor didn't pay attention. In many cases, the
doctor is able to explain that she is not recommending any
tests, because the tests are very unlikely to turn up
something. The patient was listened to, but the patient
doesn't feel like it.

Jeff

> How many reports do you need, Robert?

[Sbharris-L]

George Lagergren wrote:
> The herbal blend of about six herbs for resolving
> shingles made by the ommercial company, Zynoxin, (
> www.zynoxin.com ) must do lots of good otherwise
> the company would not stay in business.

Okay, I'll bite. How long have they been in business, George?

I need to add that selling freedom from anxiety is a
business, too. Many organized religions have been in business
for a long time. They provide a product. It does help people.
But what they say does not need to be literally true for this
to happen.

SBH

[Sbharris-L]

outsor@citynet.net wrote:
> Shingles is one of those conditions that come and go and
> makes it the perfect "proving ground" for "cures" not based
> in scientific research. "Just take these majic pills and I
> garntee they will go away". Ever notice how many alternative
> "drugs" are for episodic chronic conditions that normally
> wax and wane and/or most likely have a quite large
> psychological underpinning?

COMMENT:

What you say about alternative cures is true, but it
doesn't apply to shingles (which most people get only once
if they ever do).

You may be thinking about cold sores (herpes I not the
related HZV).

SBH

[Sommerfeld]

If I may, I would just like to express my ongoing astonishment
over this prolonged "war" between the "established" medical
community and the "alternative" one. There's really no
conflict here at all. What one should be doing, is finding
ways of cooperation, because any logical human being will see
that both of theses "directions" have their advantages and
their individual fields of effectiveness. I trust my doctor to
diagnose me with any serious conditions I may attract, and
treat them accordingly, but I also think that the use of
alternative medicine, mostly as a preventive and strengthening
measure is something that should be embraced by everyone, on
both sides. The use of natural foods, food supplements and
additives have a lot to give modern man, as it did the people
that were here two thousand, three or thirty thousand years
back, and modern medicine has found ways of curing and
releaving what nature's own products may not be able to cure.
A balanced mixture of both is the ideal solution, in my
opinion, and a cooperation set out to find the best mix is
what we should all strive for.

-S-
-------------------------------
http://tni.com/105267

[Sbharris-L]

Sommerfeldt wrote:
> If I may, I would just like to express my ongoing
> astonishment over this prolonged "war" between the
> "established" medical community and the "alternative" one.
> There's really no conflict here at all. What one should be
> doing, is finding ways of cooperation, because any logical
> human being will see that both of theses "directions" have
> their advantages and their individual fields of
> effectiveness. I trust my doctor to diagnose me with any
> serious conditions I may attract, and treat them
> accordingly, but I also think that the use of alternative
> medicine, mostly as a preventive and strengthening measure
> is something that should be embraced by everyone, on both
> sides. The use of natural foods, food supplements and
> additives have a lot to give modern man, as it did the
> people that were here two thousand, three or thirty thousand
> years back, and modern medicine has found ways of curing and
> releaving what nature's own products may not be able to
> cure. A balanced mixture of both is the ideal solution, in
> my opinion, and a cooperation set out to find the best mix
> is what we should all strive for.

COMMENT:

The problem is "alternative" is a big tent. Very few doctors
are going to object if you use various supplements, natural
foods, and non-toxic this or that as a complement to your
standard medical care. Some of us doctors do this also (some
of what I takes supplementally, I don't recommend to patients,
but that doesn't mean I'm not willing to spend my own money on
CoQ10 or whatever, on a hunch).

The big "fight" between traditional and alternative medicine
is between medicine and stuff that is just outright quackery
or nuttiness, on par with astrology. Indeed, many traditional
systems of medicine have strong links to astrology (which they
try hard to minimize). There's a world of scientific
difference between the well-trained naturopath and the
homeopath. And there are a raft alterantive practitioners who
use completely unphysical things like "energy" (meaning
psychic "energy") healing and crystal healing, or machines
that zap little bugs in your blood that only quacks can see
(and can't agree on among themeselves). Oxygenated water, Rife
therapy, Hulda Clark gizmos that cure all diseases with
electric pulses... the list of Tomfoolery is endless. The
people who promote it cannot seem to tell the difference
between this crap and (say) vitamin or herb or special diet
therapy. If you can, then you know what I'm talking about. If
you can't, then let this be your first introduction to the
idea that not all "alternative" claims are equal.

SBH

[Sommerfeld]

Well, that was indeed a good reply, SBH, and you caught my
point as well. I don't support the "Tomfoolery" either, and I
do have a bit of experience in picking my way through it...

I have to pose the same question as G.Lagergren did up there,
namely; "Do most M.D.s really understand how and why to use
nutrients to resolve many health conditions?"

I'm not so sure they do.

On the other hand, educaton is necessary on both "fronts", to
help both the strict followers of "alternative" medicine see
that there are vast benefits in modern ways, and vice versa.
Quacks are quaks, but not all those being accused of being
that, are that.

-S-
------------------------------
http://tni.com/105267

[George Lag]

> George Lagergren wrote: You are right. The Internet with its
> sub-grouping of the "Google Medical School" means the world
> wide web has become a GIANT natural diet medicine and
> natural nutritional medicine warehouse of
medical
> knowledge. No more bending down to the pharm drug type of
> M.D.

"Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <sbharris@ix.netcom.com>
replied:
> Ummm Hmmm. You take your herbal concoctions and this and
> that for your bad case of shinlges, and see how much good
> it does you.

The herbal blend of about six herbs for resolving
shingles made by the ommercial company, Zynoxin, (
www.zynoxin.com ) must do lots of good otherwise the
company would not stay in business.

> We docs will skill keep the "shingle" out for you, when you
> get tired of screwing around and giving your money to
> quacks. Of course, by the time you figure that out, it may
> be too late for antiviral help. So be warned that your
> stupidity here can cost you a couple of extra months of
> mighty fine burning pain.

There are several nutrients with anti-viral
properities to help combat shingles.

[David Wrig]

In article
<5dSOe.1017$_84.566@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>, George
Lagergren <gel44@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> George Lagergren wrote: You are right. The Internet with
>> its sub-grouping of the "Google Medical School" means the
>> world wide web has become a GIANT natural diet medicine and
>> natural nutritional medicine warehouse of
>medical
>> knowledge. No more bending down to the pharm drug type
>> of M.D.
>
>"Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com"
><sbharris@ix.netcom.com> replied:
>> Ummm Hmmm. You take your herbal concoctions and this and
>> that for your bad case of shinlges, and see how much good
>> it does you.
>
> The herbal blend of about six herbs for resolving
> shingles made by the ommercial company, Zynoxin, (
> www.zynoxin.com ) must do lots of good otherwise
> the company would not stay in business.

And astrologers must all really be hooked into divine sources
of inspiration or nobody would go to them. George, you are
SUCH an idiot.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If
you meet the Buddha on the net, put him in your
killfile." -- Anon.

[George Che]

"George Lagergren" <gel44@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:5dSOe.1017$_84.566@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> The herbal blend of about six herbs for resolving shingles
> made by the ommercial company, Zynoxin, ( www.zynoxin.com )
> must do lots of good otherwise the company would not stay in
> business.

Length of time in business is your criterion for product
efficacy and marketing honesty?

"You are old," said the youth, "as I mentioned before, And
have grown most uncommonly fat; Yet you turned a back
somersault in at the door - Pray, what is the reason of that?"

"In my youth," said the sage, as he shook his gray locks, "I
kept all my limbs very supple By the use of this ointment -
one shilling the box - Allow me to sell you a couple."

GWC

[Pizza Girl]

Totally have to agree with your there SBH!

That post was right on. You, yourself, are very guilty of
stereotyping fields though in some of your more rant type
generalization postings. You multi-personality acting up
again? LOL

I think the biggest beef most of the "alternative" people have
is why the medical field cannot work or co-operate with some
of the more scientific alternative practicioners. Most MDs
here that have witnessed some "better" alternative practices
have not only changed their minds but many thier practices.

Come to the "dark side"

Have a great one!

"Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <sbharris@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in message
news:1124922913.920586.302800@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> COMMENT:
>
> The problem is "alternative" is a big tent. Very few doctors
> are going to object if you use various supplements, natural
> foods, and non-toxic this or that as a complement to your
> standard medical care. Some of us doctors do this also (some
> of what I takes supplementally, I don't recommend to
> patients, but that doesn't mean I'm not willing to spend my
> own money on CoQ10 or whatever, on a hunch).
>
> The big "fight" between traditional and alternative medicine
> is between medicine and stuff that is just outright quackery
> or nuttiness, on par with astrology. Indeed, many
> traditional systems of medicine have strong links to
> astrology (which they try hard to minimize). There's a world
> of scientific difference between the well-trained naturopath
> and the homeopath. And there are a raft alterantive
> practitioners who use completely unphysical things like
> "energy" (meaning psychic "energy") healing and crystal
> healing, or machines that zap little bugs in your blood that
> only quacks can see (and can't agree on among themeselves).
> Oxygenated water, Rife therapy, Hulda Clark gizmos that cure
> all diseases with electric pulses... the list of Tomfoolery
> is endless. The people who promote it cannot seem to tell
> the difference between this crap and (say) vitamin or herb
> or special diet therapy. If you can, then you know what I'm
> talking about. If you can't, then let this be your first
> introduction to the idea that not all "alternative" claims
> are equal.
>
> SBH

[George Lag]

"Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <sbharris@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
> The big "fight" between traditional and alternative medicine
> is between medicine and stuff that is just outright quackery
> or nuttiness, on par

Traditional medicine also involves outright
quackery, too, by NOT understanding how diet
modification medicine and nutritional medicine can
be used to resolve health conditions in place of
pharm drug medicine.

[George Lag]

"Pizza Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote:
> I think the biggest beef most of the "alternative" people
> have is why the medical field cannot work or co-operate with
> some of the more scientific alternative practicioners. Most
> MDs here that have witnessed some "better" alternative
> practices have not only changed their minds but many thier
> practices.

But do most M.D.s really understand how and why to
use nutrients to resolve many health conditions?

Do most M.D.s now understand why dairy (including
cow's milk) products is a food group item really
NOT suitable for human consumption?

[Mr-Natural]

Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com wrote:

> The big "fight" between traditional and alternative medicine
> is between medicine and stuff that is just outright quackery
> or nuttiness, on par with astrology. Indeed, many
> traditional systems of medicine have strong links to
> astrology (which they try hard to minimize). There's a world
> of scientific difference between the well-trained naturopath
> and the homeopath. And there are a raft alterantive
> practitioners who use completely unphysical things like
> "energy" (meaning psychic "energy") healing and crystal
> healing, or machines that zap little bugs in your blood that
> only quacks can see (and can't agree on among themeselves).
> Oxygenated water, Rife therapy, Hulda Clark gizmos that cure
> all diseases with electric pulses... the list of Tomfoolery
> is endless.

Can you say Wellness Movement? http://naturalhealthperspectiv-
e.com/gnu-dictionary/Wellness.html

Can you say: Yoga, Tai Chi, Pilates, and Swiss Balls?
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/exercise/

Your problem is that you are still living in 19th century. It
has always been buyer beware. And, that is especially true for
physicians.

Just say NO to drugs.

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

[Sbharris-L]

Mr-Natural-Health wrote:
> Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com wrote: Can you say Wellness
> Movement? http://naturalhealthperspective.com/gnu-dictionar-
> y/Wellness.html

I can say it, but I notice that the concept has been hijacked
from the original people who advocated "spiritual" treatment
(ie, religion), to people who are advocating secular stuff
like (ho hum) various kinds of breathing and stretching
techniques and exercises. Not quite the same, are they? So why
use the same word?

> Can you say: Yoga, Tai Chi, Pilates, and Swiss Balls?
> http://naturalhealthperspective.com/exercise/

I can, but NONE of these are things that an MD would call
quackery. Or have any problem with a patient doing.

> Your problem is that you are still living in 19th century.
> It has always been buyer beware. And, that is especially
> true for physicians.
>
> Just say NO to drugs.
>
> Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

COMMENT:

Actually, you are the one still living in the 19th century.
Meanwhile the modern world has invented many new things you
may want to use one day.

But if you ever do need surgery, I urge you to say no to all
drugs. Tell them you're going to anesthetize yourself with
wellness techniques. Best of luck.

Say, did they pull your remaining teeth with lidocaine? Or
were you able to "transcend dental medication"?

SBH

[Mr-Natural]

Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com wrote:

> Say, did they pull your remaining teeth with lidocaine? Or
> were you able to "transcend dental medication"?

The novocaine wore out before the last 3 or 4 teeth were
pulled, if you most know. It has always taken a lot to numb my
gums. As a child my dentist always drilled with very little
novocaine, for whatever reason.

Consequently, drilling in pain was pretty much always the norm
for me. But of course, that is all ancient history now. No
need to drill or to have an annual gum scrapping. Best of all,
no more X-rays!!!

You have my condolences.

[Mr-Natural]

David Wright wrote:

> And no teeth. I'm sure a soft-food diet suits you just fine,
> or at least you'd like to convince us it does.

Can you say dentures?

Sorry to disappoint you, but I eat everything that I have
always eaten precisely the same way that I have always eaten
them, including but not limited to whole apples, corn on the
cob, steak, Whoopers, etc., etc., etc.

The only real problem is chewing gum which will eventually
stick to the dentures. Also, tiny seeds are irritating because
they tend to work themselves under the dentures. Nevertheless,
I still eat sunflower seeds in my salads.

Just thought that you might want to know.

[David Wrig]

In article
<O4bPe.1545$FW1.315@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, George
Lagergren <gel44@earthlink.net> wrote:
>"Pizza Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote:
>> I think the biggest beef most of the "alternative" people
>> have is why the medical field cannot work or co-operate
>> with some of the more scientific alternative practicioners.
>> Most MDs here that have witnessed some "better" alternative
>> practices have not only changed their minds but many thier
>> practices.
>
> But do most M.D.s really understand how and why to use
> nutrients to resolve many health conditions?

Better than you do. But, unlike you, they don't fall for every
bit of spam email and fraudulent book they run across.

> Do most M.D.s now understand why dairy (including cow's
> milk) products is a food group item really NOT suitable
> for human consumption?

No, they don't understand it, because it's not true. They
might understand that milk isn't suitable for you, especially
after you tell them so about five thousand times, the way you
do on m.h.a.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If
you meet the Buddha on the net, put him in your
killfile." -- Anon.

[David Wrig]

In article
<1125024136.589167.132460@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
Mr-Natural-Health
<johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:
>Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com wrote:
>
>> Say, did they pull your remaining teeth with lidocaine? Or
>> were you able to "transcend dental medication"?
>
>The novocaine wore out before the last 3 or 4 teeth were
>pulled, if you most know. It has always taken a lot to
>numb my gums.

That's surprising, considering how numb your skull is.

> As a child my dentist always drilled with very little
> novocaine, for whatever reason.

It was probably because you had the same personality you have
now.

>Consequently, drilling in pain was pretty much always the
>norm for me. But of course, that is all ancient history now.
>No need to drill or to have an annual gum scrapping. Best of
>all, no more X-rays!!!

And no teeth. I'm sure a soft-food diet suits you just fine,
or at least you'd like to convince us it does.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If
you meet the Buddha on the net, put him in your
killfile." -- Anon.

[Mr-Natural]

George Lagergren wrote:

> Most M.D.s are NOT trained to know when to use which type of
> medicine.

Dumbest quote, on the face of it, for the month of
August 2005.

Just thought that you might want to know.

[Mr-Natural]

Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com wrote:

> Actually, you are the one still living in the 19th century.
> Meanwhile the modern world has invented many new things you
> may want to use one day.

No you are the one, NOT me.

There is a difference between natural health, natural hygiene,
and nature cure. I have pointed out the differences in both
Wikipedia and in the tutorial section of my web site. Thanks
to Wikipedia this information is now in about 40 or so other
internet encyclopedias.

Further more, what natural health does NOT apply to has been
pretty well defined for a very long time. The only person
still in the dark is YOU. http://tutorials.naturalhealthpersp-
ective.com/when-not-recommended.html

[George Lag]

"Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <sbharris@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
> But if you ever do need surgery, I urge you to say no to all
> drugs. Tell them you're going to anesthetize yourself with
> wellness techniques. Best of luck.

With emergency medical situations, stay with regular
medicine. But with most chronic health conditions,
go with diet modification medicine and/or
nutritional (nutrient) medicine.

Most M.D.s are NOT trained to know when to use
which type of medicine.

[Mr-Natural]

Pizza Girl. wrote:

> ...and eventually your jaw bone recedes because of the lack
> of duty from gumming it. Then you dentures won't stay in
> anymore and you are stuck with pablum and other baby foods.

Boy, are you an idiot (pun intended)!

I have had my dentures since '91, dear. When may I
expect what?

Even if the dentures do eventually get loose, all I have to
due is pay a few bucks to have them re-lined.

As usual, you don't have a clue as to what you are
talking about.

[Pizza Girl]

...and eventually your jaw bone recedes because of the lack of
duty from gumming it. Then you dentures won't stay in anymore
and you are stuck with pablum and other baby foods.

"Mr-Natural-Health" <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com>
wrote in message
news:1125042582.271742.202790@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> David Wright wrote:
>
> > And no teeth. I'm sure a soft-food diet suits you just
> > fine, or at least you'd like to convince us it does.
>
> Can you say dentures?
>
> Sorry to disappoint you, but I eat everything that I have
> always eaten precisely the same way that I have always eaten
> them, including but not limited to whole apples, corn on the
> cob, steak, Whoopers, etc., etc., etc.
>
> The only real problem is chewing gum which will eventually
> stick to the dentures. Also, tiny seeds are irritating
> because they tend to work themselves under the dentures.
> Nevertheless, I still eat sunflower seeds in my salads.
>
> Just thought that you might want to know.

[sbharris]

Pizza Girl. wrote:
> Totally have to agree with your there SBH!
>
> That post was right on. You, yourself, are very guilty of
> stereotyping fields though in some of your more rant type
> generalization postings. You multi-personality acting up
> again? LOL
>
> I think the biggest beef most of the "alternative" people
> have is why the medical field cannot work or co-operate with
> some of the more scientific alternative practicioners. Most
> MDs here that have witnessed some "better" alternative
> practices have not only changed their minds but many thier
> practices.
>
> Come to the "dark side"
>
> Have a great one!

COMMENT:

If accepting the disease and death of loved-ones without a
fight, a path to the dark side is, then already this path
chosen have I. Perhaps when 800 years old you reach, easy it
is the letting go of life to speak of. Until then, many small
green hypocrites in the movies, will you find...

In this our non-movie reality, we must remember that there's a
vast difference between what doctors believe and what they
have time for. I think most of us believe that 20 visits and
10 hours of personal counceling (there ought to be ll's in
that word...) combined with many patient life-style changes
will control (say) blood pressure as well, and with fewer side
effects, than a pill. But nobody wants to pay a doctor for
that, and we have to make a living. People are, in some cases,
actually more willing to take advice on life-style changes for
the naturopath or the Jenny Craig director or whooever. But
that's only because they know they can't get the quick-fix
pill from them.

But the point I've made many times here before, is that that
alterative types would ALSO starve if they had to live on
providing healthy information, which is is what they pretend
(both here on the net, and to the world) is their actual
"alternative" to drug and procedure-happy MD's. Weong. The
ugly truth is that alteratives in general live by selling
pills and potions and procedures, too. Not information on
healthy living--- give me a break. So WHY don't doctors
respect them more? Answer: because the pills and procedures
the alternatives sell, are less likely to be of scientific
value than the "healthy-lifestyle information" which they
ernestly affirm is their work-product.

Baloney. I've been to their conventions, and I've read their
literature, and I've seen what my patients come back with
after visiting them. Not 24 hours ago one of my patients (one
of the few that aren't in the dewar pushing up bubbles...)
showed up with a bottle of pills some chiropractor had given
her for a swollen knee. He'd had her stop the fishoil and
glucosamine I was having her buy from Costco, and told her to
take some concoction with chondroitin, hyaluronic acid, and
collagen II (from animals, needless to say). Which he sold her
for $25. Why don't I respect this? Because there's no reason I
should. I know the dark side of both orthodox and alternative
practices far too well.

--Palpatine, Emperor of Ice Cream.

[Sbharris-L]

George Lagergren wrote:

>
> So it seems that pharm drug type M.D.s push pharm
> drug pills while natural medicine M.D.s push
> nutrutional (nutrients) pills on patients.

COMMENT: BIG difference. I don't have bottles of drugs in my
office for sale. I don't SELL the drugs I prescribe. To a
first-order effect (and you have to work very hard to find the
difference) it doesn't matter if I prescribe a lot of drugs or
a little, or the latest expensive one or the generic cheap
ones. The druggest gives me no kickback.

> I note that neither one of you suggested the patient take a
> good
> aloe vera pill (www.aloes.com) for a swollen knee. Why not?

COMMENT:

Why? Aloe vera may have anti-inflammatory effects topically,
and perhaps even throughout the GI tract if you swish or
swallow it. But getting to the knee or working systemically?
Where's your evidence?

COMMENT:

> In ref to the fishoil, I saw a TV
> info-commercial from www.icelandhealth.com
> pushing a omega 3 capsule product.

COMMENT: And ripping you off, too. Buy it at COSTCO and you
won't be paying for the hype and TV commercials.

SBH

[Sbharris-L]

Pizza Girl. wrote:
> Totally have to agree with your there SBH!
>
> That post was right on. You, yourself, are very guilty of
> stereotyping fields though in some of your more rant type
> generalization postings. You multi-personality acting up
> again? LOL
>
> I think the biggest beef most of the "alternative" people
> have is why the medical field cannot work or co-operate with
> some of the more scientific alternative practicioners. Most
> MDs here that have witnessed some "better" alternative
> practices have not only changed their minds but many thier
> practices.
>
> Come to the "dark side"
>
> Have a great one!

COMMENT:

If accepting the disease and death of loved-ones without a
fight, a path to the dark side is, then already this path
chosen I have. Perhaps when 800 years old you reach, easy the
letting go of life to speak of, it is. Until then, many small
green hypocrites in the movies will you find...

In this our non-movie reality, muddling about without The
Force, we must remember that there's a vast difference between
what doctors believe and what they have time for. I think most
of us believe that 20 visits and 10 hours of personal
counseling (there ought to be ll's in that word...) combined
with many patient life-style changes will control (say) blood
pressure as well, and with fewer side effects, than a pill.
But nobody wants to pay a doctor for that, and we have to make
a living. People are, in some cases, actually more willing to
take advice on life-style changes for the naturopath or the
Jenny Craig director or whoever. But that's only because they
know they can't get the quick-fix pill from them. But the
point I've made many times here before, is that that
alterative types would ALSO starve if they had to live on
providing healthy information, which is what they pretend
(both here on the net, and to the world) their actual
"alternative" to drug and procedure-happy M.D.'s. Wrong.

The ugly truth is that alternatives, in general, live by
selling pills and potions and procedures, too. NOT information
on healthy living--- give me a break. So WHY don't MDs respect
them more? Answer: because the pills and procedures the
alternatives sell, are less likely to be of scientific value
than the "healthy-lifestyle information" which alternatives
earnestly affirm (hands behind backs, fingers crossed) is
their work-product. Baloney. I've been to their conventions,
and I've read their literature, and I've seen what my patients
come back with after visiting them. Not 24 hours ago one of my
patients (one of the few that aren't in the dewer pushing up
bubbles...) showed up with a bottle of pills some chiropractor
had given her for a swollen knee. He'd had her stop the fish
oil and glucosamine I was having her buy from Costco, and told
her to take some concoction with chondroitin, hyaluronic acid,
and collagen II (from animals, needless to say). Which he sold
her for $25.

Why don't I respect this? Because there's no reason I
should. I know
the dark side of both orthodox and alternative practices
far too well.

--Palpatine, Emperor of Ice Cream.

[George Lag]

<sbharris@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> But the point I've made many times here before, is that that
> alterative types would ALSO starve if they had to live on
> providing healthy information, which is is what they pretend
> (both here on the net, and to the world) is their actual
> "alternative" to drug and procedure-happy MD's. Weong. The
> ugly truth is that alteratives in general live by selling
> pills and potions and procedures, too. Not information on
> healthy living--- give me a break. So WHY don't doctors
> respect them more? Answer: because the pills and procedures
> the alternatives sell, are less likely to be of scientific
> value than the "healthy-lifestyle information" which they
> ernestly affirm is their work-product.

So it seems that pharm drug type M.D.s push pharm
drug pills while natural medicine M.D.s push
nutrutional (nutrients) pills on patients.

> Baloney. I've been to their conventions, and I've read
> their literature, and I've seen what my patients come back
> with after visiting them. Not 24 hours ago one of my
> patients (one of the few that aren't in the dewar pushing
> up bubbles...) showed up with a bottle of pills some
> chiropractor had given her for a swollen knee. He'd had her
> stop the fishoil and glucosamine I was having her buy from
> Costco, and told her to take some concoction with
> chondroitin, hyaluronic acid, and collagen II (from
> animals, needless to say). Which he sold her for $25. Why
> don't I respect this? Because there's no reason I should. I
> know the dark side of both orthodox and alternative
> practices far too well.

I note that neither one of you suggested the
patient take a good aloe vera pill (www.aloes.com)
for a swollen knee. Why not?

In ref to the fishoil, I saw a TV info-commercial
from www.icelandhealth.com pushing a omega 3
capsule product.

[Pizza Girl]

Well the American and other counties Chiropractors certainly
have given them a bad name.

If my Chiropractor (I have been to 5) gave me drugs or herbs
for anything I would report him to his association and I would
be sure he would be thrown out for malpractice or practising
medicine without a license or training. I get the distinct
impression tha regulations are very loose in other areas and
it breed contempt for even the good ones.

Sad that.

<sbharris@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> Pizza Girl. wrote:
> > Totally have to agree with your there SBH!
> >
> > That post was right on. You, yourself, are very guilty of
> > stereotyping fields though in some of your more rant type
> > generalization postings.
You
> > multi-personality acting up again? LOL
> >
> > I think the biggest beef most of the "alternative" people
> > have is why
the
> > medical field cannot work or co-operate with some of the
> > more scientific alternative practicioners. Most MDs here
> > that have witnessed some
"better"
> > alternative practices have not only changed their minds
> > but many thier practices.
> >
> > Come to the "dark side"
> >
> > Have a great one!
>
>
> COMMENT:
>
> If accepting the disease and death of loved-ones without a
> fight, a path to the dark side is, then already this path
> chosen have I. Perhaps when 800 years old you reach, easy it
> is the letting go of life to speak of. Until then, many
> small green hypocrites in the movies, will you find...
>
> In this our non-movie reality, we must remember that there's
> a vast difference between what doctors believe and what they
> have time for. I think most of us believe that 20 visits and
> 10 hours of personal counceling (there ought to be ll's in
> that word...) combined with many patient life-style changes
> will control (say) blood pressure as well, and with fewer
> side effects, than a pill. But nobody wants to pay a doctor
> for that, and we have to make a living. People are, in some
> cases, actually more willing to take advice on life-style
> changes for the naturopath or the Jenny Craig director or
> whooever. But that's only because they know they can't get
> the quick-fix pill from them.
>
> But the point I've made many times here before, is that that
> alterative types would ALSO starve if they had to live on
> providing healthy information, which is is what they pretend
> (both here on the net, and to the world) is their actual
> "alternative" to drug and procedure-happy MD's. Weong. The
> ugly truth is that alteratives in general live by selling
> pills and potions and procedures, too. Not information on
> healthy living--- give me a break. So WHY don't doctors
> respect them more? Answer: because the pills and procedures
> the alternatives sell, are less likely to be of scientific
> value than the "healthy-lifestyle information" which they
> ernestly affirm is their work-product.
>
> Baloney. I've been to their conventions, and I've read
> their literature, and I've seen what my patients come back
> with after visiting them. Not 24 hours ago one of my
> patients (one of the few that aren't in the dewar pushing
> up bubbles...) showed up with a bottle of pills some
> chiropractor had given her for a swollen knee. He'd had her
> stop the fishoil and glucosamine I was having her buy from
> Costco, and told her to take some concoction with
> chondroitin, hyaluronic acid, and collagen II (from
> animals, needless to say). Which he sold her for $25. Why
> don't I respect this? Because there's no reason I should. I
> know the dark side of both orthodox and alternative
> practices far too well.
>
> --Palpatine, Emperor of Ice Cream.

[Pizza Girl]

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