Cholesterol lowering

[Nick]

I had my cholesterol tested at 220 total in the begining. I
first tried soluble fiber to control it. That brought it down
to 169. Then I decided to become a vegatarian to control it
more. After a few months of getting rid of dairy and red meat
and poultry my total cholesterol is now stabalized at 133.

No need for drugs. I let my body do it!

[Robert]

"Nick" <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1124678759.634842.163660@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> I had my cholesterol tested at 220 total in the begining. I
> first tried soluble fiber to control it. That brought it
> down to 169. Then I decided to become a vegatarian to
> control it more. After a few months of getting rid of dairy
> and red meat and poultry my total cholesterol is now
> stabalized at 133.
>
> No need for drugs. I let my body do it!
>

That's great. All that sacrifice just to keep cholesterol
down. Did you give up sex to?

[John Sanke]

Getting rid of dairy (specifically, cheese) did it for me too.
(http://sankey.ws/cholesterol.html)

[Rbr]

On 21 Aug 2005 19:45:59 -0700, "Nick"
<macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I had my cholesterol tested at 220 total in the begining. I
>first tried soluble fiber to control it. That brought it down
>to 169. Then I decided to become a vegatarian to control it
>more. After a few months of getting rid of dairy and red meat
>and poultry my total cholesterol is now stabalized at 133.
>

Why would you want to do that? There isn't a single study that
has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that cholesterol causes
heart disease. Not the Seven Countries Study nor Framingham
nor MRFIT, etc, etc

RBR

[Rbr]

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 20:15:39 -0700, "Robert"
<Robertitsme@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>"Nick" <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:11246787-
>59.634842.163660@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>> I had my cholesterol tested at 220 total in the begining. I
>> first tried soluble fiber to control it. That brought it
>> down to 169. Then I decided to become a vegatarian to
>> control it more. After a few months of getting rid of dairy
>> and red meat and poultry my total cholesterol is now
>> stabalized at 133.
>>
>> No need for drugs. I let my body do it!
>>
>
>That's great. All that sacrifice just to keep cholesterol
>down. Did you give up sex to?
>

Hey, you've just given him the secret to lowering his
cholesterol to 120!

RBR

[Robert]

"RBR" <rogers@home.com> wrote in message
news:8p0kg1le9at8cq16hjnm54bu45h5n0s3ec@4ax.com...
> On 21 Aug 2005 19:45:59 -0700, "Nick"
> <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >I had my cholesterol tested at 220 total in the begining. I
> >first tried soluble fiber to control it. That brought it
> >down to 169. Then I decided to become a vegatarian to
> >control it more. After a few months of getting rid of dairy
> >and red meat and poultry my total cholesterol is now
> >stabalized at 133.
> >
>
> Why would you want to do that? There isn't a single study
> that has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that cholesterol
> causes heart disease. Not the Seven Countries Study nor
> Framingham nor MRFIT, etc, etc
>
> RBR

He wants to starve himself like Karen Carpenter because he is
so afraid of cholesterol. Her heart stopped because her
cholesterol was so low she starved.

[Nick]

Robert wrote:
> "Nick" <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1124678-
> 759.634842.163660@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> > I had my cholesterol tested at 220 total in the begining.
> > I first tried soluble fiber to control it. That brought it
> > down to 169. Then I decided to become a vegatarian to
> > control it more. After a few months of getting rid of
> > dairy and red meat and poultry my total cholesterol is now
> > stabalized at 133.
> >
> > No need for drugs. I let my body do it!
> >
>
> That's great. All that sacrifice just to keep cholesterol
> down. Did you give up sex to?
I don't feel as if I've given up anything.

And I've lost 65 pounds because of what you call a
sacrafice!!! Maybe you won't sacrifice your drugs?

In your face... Don't tell me I can't eat the right way!

[Ann]

You didn't need to give up dairy. Giving up meat alone
probably would have done it.

All this anti-dairy talk drives me nuts.....

[Jim Chinni]

"Nick" <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote in part:

>I had my cholesterol tested at 220 total in the begining. I
>first tried soluble fiber to control it. That brought it down
>to 169. Then I decided to become a vegatarian to control it
>more. After a few months of getting rid of dairy and red meat
>and poultry my total cholesterol is now stabalized at 133.
>
>No need for drugs. I let my body do it!

Congrats, Nick!
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA jchinnis@alum.mit.edu

[Juhana Har]

Robert wrote:
: "RBR" <rogers@home.com> wrote in message
: news:8p0kg1le9at8cq16hjnm54bu45h5n0s3ec@4ax.com...
:: On 21 Aug 2005 19:45:59 -0700, "Nick"
:: <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote:
::
::: I had my cholesterol tested at 220 total in the begining.
::: I first tried soluble fiber to control it. That brought it
::: down to 169. Then I decided to become a vegatarian to
::: control it more. After a few months of getting rid of
::: dairy and red meat and poultry my total cholesterol is now
::: stabalized at 133.
::
:: Why would you want to do that? There isn't a single study
:: that has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that cholesterol
:: causes heart disease. Not the Seven Countries Study nor
:: Framingham nor MRFIT, etc, etc
::
: He wants to starve himself like Karen Carpenter because he
: is so afraid of cholesterol. Her heart stopped because her
: cholesterol was so low she starved.

Probably by lowering total cholesterol he brought the
cholesterol ratios down as well. And that _does_ count.
Congratulations, Nick, that was a wise thing to do!

--
Juhana

[Just Cocky]

On 22 Aug 2005 15:01:30 -0700, "Nick"
<macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Robert wrote:
>> "Nick" <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:112467-
>> 8759.634842.163660@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>> > I had my cholesterol tested at 220 total in the begining.
>> > I first tried soluble fiber to control it. That brought
>> > it down to 169. Then I decided to become a vegatarian to
>> > control it more. After a few months of getting rid of
>> > dairy and red meat and poultry my total cholesterol is
>> > now stabalized at 133.
>> >
>> > No need for drugs. I let my body do it!
>> >
>>
>> That's great. All that sacrifice just to keep cholesterol
>> down. Did you give up sex to?
>I don't feel as if I've given up anything.
>
>And I've lost 65 pounds because of what you call a
>sacrafice!!! Maybe you won't sacrifice your drugs?
>
>In your face... Don't tell me I can't eat the right way!
>

Cholesterol below 160 is *BAD*! Or do you think is serves no
purpose in the body?

[Robert]

"Nick" <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1124748090.668613.145020@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Robert wrote:
> > "Nick" <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:11246-
> > 78759.634842.163660@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> > > I had my cholesterol tested at 220 total in the
> > > begining. I first
tried
> > > soluble fiber to control it. That brought it down to
> > > 169. Then I decided to become a vegatarian to control it
> > > more. After a few months of getting rid of dairy and red
> > > meat and poultry my total cholesterol is now stabalized
> > > at 133.
> > >
> > > No need for drugs. I let my body do it!
> > >
> >
> > That's great. All that sacrifice just to keep cholesterol
> > down. Did you
give
> > up sex to?
> I don't feel as if I've given up anything.
>
> And I've lost 65 pounds because of what you call a
> sacrafice!!! Maybe you won't sacrifice your drugs?
>
> In your face... Don't tell me I can't eat the right way!
>

It's called anorexia nervosa. I am sure you will lose even
more pounds. If you give up solid foods you will even lose
more weight and really lower your cholesterol. Why don't you
try living for awhile.

[Nick]

Wouldn't the body know to make enough?

If it doesn't you have a point.

[Nick]

Stick with your drugs!

I'll continue to eat right. My body can take care of itself!

You don't even know what living right is.

Your plain silly.

[Nick]

Ann I waited to give up dairy. I've done it more than once. I
did find I feel better and consume less calories by drinking
good soymilk for my beverage.

I am not looking for pleasure from food as the health I get
from eating right gives me pleasure. I have well being! And
logeveity I am certain will be another reward.

[Nick]

RB Boloney.

You think bassackwards.

I know how to be healthy. You can keep your drugs!

[Nick]

I don't need to do anything. I don't need a book. They can
only take you so far and then something more must happen. I''m
my own nutritionist.

Shouldn't the body make enough cholesterol on its own?

Show me where I am wrong silly little rob

[Ann]

Fish oil supplements, combined with a "healthy" vegetarian
diet, flax seed added to some whey shakes or cereal, etc. will
do the trick. But you don't need to give up dairy!

Pay no attention to those sarcastic flesh eaters (cannibals).
It's no sacrifice to give up meat. It's liberating! We don't
need meat to be healthy!

Good for you Nick!

Nick wrote:
> I had my cholesterol tested at 220 total in the begining. I
> first tried soluble fiber to control it. That brought it
> down to 169. Then I decided to become a vegatarian to
> control it more. After a few months of getting rid of dairy
> and red meat and poultry my total cholesterol is now
> stabalized at 133.
>
> No need for drugs. I let my body do it!

[Ann]

Oh how helpful and insightful you are (as usual). RBR wrote:
> On 23 Aug 2005 17:08:53 -0700, "Nick"
> <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Ann I waited to give up dairy. I've done it more than once.
> >I did find I feel better and consume less calories by
> >drinking good soymilk for my beverage.
>
> Try drinking horse piss, I hear it is even lower in calories
> than soy milk Nick.
> >
>
> >I am not looking for pleasure from food as the health I get
> >from eating right gives me pleasure.
>
> Yes I can see that your diet certainly gives you no
> pleasure. Are you a masochist Nick. Do you want a medal for
> putting up with the ultra-boring diet?
>
> >I have well being! And logeveity I am certain will be
> >another reward.
>
> Low cholesterol is not conducive to longevity. Low
> cholesterol is more likely to make you a candidate for
> a stroke.
>
> RBR

[Jaym1212]

> ...cholesterol 220 in begining. soluble fiber brought it to
> 169. became vegatarian, now 133...

Interesting. What were your major sources of soluble fiber?
Could you describe your vegetarian diet in more detail? Any
supplements?

[Nick]

Boloney Bob. Changing my diet isn't a deprevation. On the
contrary I sense no problem at all. If something was wrong
with my diet my body would have told me. I don't have to hear
it from you!

Like I said the body can make its own. Its non essential. Show
me differently.

I'll let my body do what its made to do.

You can keep your drugs.

[Nick]

Kam, after eating the omega 3 fish for a year or so I noticed
my mind/brain was stronger!!!

I could tell a difference.

[Nick]

I am sure I'll be around!!!

I don't know about you Pizza is bad for you!!!

[Nick]

jaym1212 wrote:
> > ...cholesterol 220 in begining. soluble fiber brought it
> > to 169. became vegatarian, now 133...
>
> Interesting. What were your major sources of soluble fiber?
> Could you describe your vegetarian diet in more detail? Any
> supplements?

Vegetable fiber. Psyllium. Citrucel.

Low calorie diet. Fruit in the morning. Low carbohydrate.
Whole foods - a lot of beans. Avacado. Toasted seeds. Nuts
sparingly.

Juicing organic vegetables. Good lowcal soymilk for beverage.
Salads with organic dressings.

Protein and fat from fish: Salmon and Tuna. Every once in a
while eggs.

Which one of you jerks is going to knock that?

[Ann]

Actually, I take too many things to know what outwardly
noticeable affect the fish oil has had on me. But internally,
I'm sure it's doing it's job. If I skip my pills beyond a
couple of days for whatever reason, I notice a decrease in
energy and mood.

Ann

>Kamalakar Pasupuleti wrote:

>
> Hi Ann , What improvement did you notice with fish oil ?
> I wish to try . I am a vegeterian but take eggs and
> plenty of dairy .
>
> Kam
>
>
>
>
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[Ann]

LOL. I know what you mean.... It is predictable isn't it?

>
> Which one of you jerks is going to knock that?

[Nick]

Yes it is Ann!

[Nick]

Show me what I am doing wrong then. I pointed out what you are
doing wrong.

You don't know how to eat right!

[Nick]

I am not avoiding cholesterol. I have not gotten rid of
anything permanently My triglycerides are the reason I became
a vegetarian. And I believe in consuming saturated fat
anyway!!! Moderation in everything not complete avoidance Find
fault in that?

Are you preoccupied with knocking right diet?

I've never said anybody has to do what I am doing, We are all
different. I can tolerate more protein and fat and need less
carbohydrate and I eat accordingly.

I wish to bring up the things that lowered my cholesterol. I
must add besides fiber and vegetarianism also my omega 3
consumption probably lowered it.

Hope this helps someone if not RB!

[Rbr]

On 22 Aug 2005 15:30:39 -0700, "Ann"
<Well4Life0@lycos.com> wrote:

>You didn't need to give up dairy. Giving up meat alone
>probably would have done it.
>
>All this anti-dairy talk drives me nuts.....

So does all this anti-meat crapola!

RBR

[Kamalakar]

"Jim Chinnis" <jchinnis@alum.mit.edu> wrote in message
news:74ukg19m7g3e4ndjo8i3qvnbojo0jm8ng7@4ax.com

> >No need for drugs. I let my body do it!
>
> Congrats, Nick!

Do we really need to lower cholesterol levels so low as
133!! They keep on narrowing the cholesterol guide lines to
promote cholesterol lowering drugs . The drug companies
lobby for making easy money . These days some doctors are
recommending Zocar to every diabetic to avoid the risk of
heart attack .

Kam
> --
> Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA jchinnis@alum.mit.edu

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[Kamalakar]

"Ann" <Well4Life0@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1124900016.901183.136970@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

> Fish oil supplements, combined with a "healthy" vegetarian
> diet, flax seed added to some whey shakes or cereal, etc.
> will do the trick. But you don't need to give up dairy!
>
> Pay no attention to those sarcastic flesh eaters
> (cannibals). It's no sacrifice to give up meat. It's
> liberating! We don't need meat to be healthy!
>
> Good for you Nick!

Hi Ann , What improvement did you notice with fish oil ? I
wish to try . I am a vegeterian but take eggs and plenty
of dairy .

Kam

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[Rbr]

On 23 Aug 2005 17:08:53 -0700, "Nick"
<macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Ann I waited to give up dairy. I've done it more than once. I
>did find I feel better and consume less calories by drinking
>good soymilk for my beverage.

Try drinking horse piss, I hear it is even lower in calories
than soy milk Nick.
>

>I am not looking for pleasure from food as the health I get
>from eating right gives me pleasure.

Yes I can see that your diet certainly gives you no pleasure.
Are you a masochist Nick. Do you want a medal for putting up
with the ultra-boring diet?

>I have well being! And logeveity I am certain will be
>another reward.

Low cholesterol is not conducive to longevity. Low cholesterol
is more likely to make you a candidate for a stroke.

RBR

[Rbr]

On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:20:57 -0700, "Robert"
<Robertitsme@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>He wants to starve himself like Karen Carpenter because he is
>so afraid of cholesterol. Her heart stopped because her
>cholesterol was so low she starved.
>

Sad isn't it? Nick is just another fat-phobic head case that
needs help. I wonder if Nick realizes that people die of CHD
whether their cholesterol is high, low or in-between?

RBR

[Dr. Dickie]

"Kamalakar Pasupuleti" <p_kamalakar@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:855bcc8795a6ff3feb771b9ed9cd980a.67313@mygate.ma-
ilgate.org...
> "Jim Chinnis" <jchinnis@alum.mit.edu> wrote in message
> news:74ukg19m7g3e4ndjo8i3qvnbojo0jm8ng7@4ax.com
>
>
> > >No need for drugs. I let my body do it!
> >
> > Congrats, Nick!
>
> Do we really need to lower cholesterol levels so low as
> 133!! They keep on narrowing the cholesterol guide lines
> to promote cholesterol lowering drugs . The drug
> companies lobby for making easy money . These days some
> doctors are recommending Zocar to every diabetic to avoid
> the risk of heart attack .
>
> Kam
> > --
> > Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA jchinnis@alum.mit.edu
>
>
>
>

I got mine down to the 110-120 level (through diet and
exercise--after getting a metabolic syndrome diagnosis in
2000), and it is still there. On the last blood work I had
done for a life insurance policy, they flagged me for low
cholesterol (their limits were 130-XXX). I don't think they
held it against me though ;-)

Oh yeah, my HDL to LDL is 1:1

[Just Cocky]

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:12:12 +0000 (UTC), "Kamalakar
Pasupuleti" <p_kamalakar@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Ann" <Well4Life0@lycos.com> wrote in message
>news:1124900016.901183.136970@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
>
>> Fish oil supplements, combined with a "healthy" vegetarian
>> diet, flax seed added to some whey shakes or cereal, etc.
>> will do the trick. But you don't need to give up dairy!
>>
>> Pay no attention to those sarcastic flesh eaters
>> (cannibals). It's no sacrifice to give up meat. It's
>> liberating! We don't need meat to be healthy!
>>
>> Good for you Nick!
>
> Hi Ann , What improvement did you notice with fish oil ?
> I wish to try . I am a vegeterian but take eggs and
> plenty of dairy .
>

Here's a very good summary of what fish oil can do for you:
http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/nmdrugprofiles/nutsupdrugs-
/fis_0106.shtml

[Jim Chinni]

"Kamalakar Pasupuleti" <p_kamalakar@hotmail.com> wrote in
part:

>"Jim Chinnis" <jchinnis@alum.mit.edu> wrote in message
>news:74ukg19m7g3e4ndjo8i3qvnbojo0jm8ng7@4ax.com
>
>
>> >No need for drugs. I let my body do it!
>>
>> Congrats, Nick!
>
> Do we really need to lower cholesterol levels so low as
> 133!! They keep on narrowing the cholesterol guide lines
> to promote cholesterol lowering drugs . The drug companies
> lobby for making easy money . These days some doctors are
> recommending Zocar to every diabetic to avoid the risk of
> heart attack .

Extract from Journal of the American College of Cardiology
Vol. 43, No. 11, 2004, 2142-2145:

The average total cholesterol level in American adults today
is 208 mg/dl (corresponding to an LDL of approximately 130
mg/dl) (13). In this case, average is not normal because
atherosclerosis is present in up to 40% to 50% of women and
men by age 50 (14). Atherosclerosis is endemic in our
population in part because the average person’s LDL level is
approximately twice the normal physiologic level (Fig. 1). We
live in a world very different from that for which we are
genetically adapted. Profound changes in our environment began
with the introduction of agriculture and animal husbandry
10,000 years ago, too recent on an evolutionary time scale for
the human genome to adjust. As a result of this ever-worsening
discordance between our ancient genetically determined biology
and the nutritional, cultural, and activity patterns in modern
populations, many of the socalled diseases of civilization,
including atherosclerosis, have emerged. Evidence from
hunter-gatherer populations while they were still following
their indigenous lifestyles showed no evidence for
atherosclerosis, even in individuals living into the seventh
and eighth decades of life (15,16). These populations had
total cholesterol levels of 100 to 150 mg/dl with estimated
LDL cholesterol levels of about 50 to 75
mg/dl. The LDL levels of healthy neonates are even today in
the 30 to 70 mg/dl range. Healthy, wild, adult primates
show LDL levels of approximately 40 to 80 mg/dl (17).
In fact, modern humans are the only adult mammals,
excluding some domesticated animals, with a mean LDL
level over 80
mh/dl and a total cholesterol over 160 mg/dl (15,16) (Fig.
1).
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA jchinnis@alum.mit.edu

[Kamalakar]

"Dr. Dickie" <Dr_Dickie@chembench.com> wrote in message
news:1124886374.2bc841a69c62facafa95b747294ac9d0@teranews

> I got mine down to the 110-120 level (through diet and
> exercise--after getting a metabolic syndrome diagnosis in
> 2000), and it is still there. On the last blood work I had
> done for a life insurance policy, they flagged me for low
> cholesterol (their limits were 130-XXX). I don't think they
> held it against me though ;-)
>
> Oh yeah, my HDL to LDL is 1:1

Do you feel any better now ?

Kam

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[Just Cocky]

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:26:13 -0400, "Dr. Dickie"
<Dr_Dickie@chembench.com> wrote:
>
>I got mine down to the 110-120 level
>

Congratulations, you are now a prime candidadte for a
hemorrhagic stroke.

[Kamalakar]

"Nick" <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1124921123.362810.93550@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

> Kam, after eating the omega 3 fish for a year or so I
> noticed my mind/brain was stronger!!!
>
> I could tell a difference.

Great , did you use any fish oil ? Kam

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[Rbr]

On 23 Aug 2005 17:04:50 -0700, "Nick"
<macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Stick with your drugs!
>
>I'll continue to eat right. My body can take care of itself!
>
>You don't even know what living right is.
>
>Your plain silly.

Dude, eating vegetarian is *not* eating right. Vegetarianism
is a form of calorie control, which is why I think the
majority of vegetarians are women. Teenage girls take up
smoking and/or vegetarianism to control their weight. Also,
vegetarianism is a religion as is evidenced by the wacky
followers we see posting on message board forums, chat groups
and usenet groups such as this one. The healthiest and longest
lived civilizations on this planet were and are *not*
vegetarian. They all have healthy omnivorous diets.

RBR

[Robert]

"Nick" <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1124841890.027492.70650@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Stick with your drugs!
>
> I'll continue to eat right. My body can take care of itself!
>
> You don't even know what living right is.
>
> Your plain silly.
>
You need to buy the book by Kevin T.

[Dr_dickie]

"Kamalakar Pasupuleti" <p_kamalakar@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:fc332abf22bbba2ff954c27fe24ad2f1.67313@mygate.ma-
ilgate.org...
> "Dr. Dickie" <Dr_Dickie@chembench.com> wrote in message
> news:1124886374.2bc841a69c62facafa95b747294ac9d0@teranews
>
> > I got mine down to the 110-120 level (through diet and
> > exercise--after getting a metabolic syndrome diagnosis in
> > 2000), and it is still there.
On
> > the last blood work I had done for a life insurance
> > policy, they flagged
me
> > for low cholesterol (their limits were 130-XXX). I don't
> > think they held
it
> > against me though ;-)
> >
> > Oh yeah, my HDL to LDL is 1:1
>
> Do you feel any better now ?
>
> Kam
>
>

Sure. But the real question is, "Why do I feel better?"
Because my cholesterol is lower, I doubt that. Because I lost
100 lbs., yep, that is likely the reason.

--
Dr. Dickie Skepticult member in good standing #394-00596-438
Poking kooks with a pointy stick. "The most exciting
phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new
discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' ('I found it!'), but rather
'hmm....that's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov

[Dr_dickie]

"Just Cocky" <just@cocky.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:26:13 -0400, "Dr. Dickie"
> <Dr_Dickie@chembench.com> wrote:
> >
> >I got mine down to the 110-120 level
> >
>
> Congratulations, you are now a prime candidadte for a
> hemorrhagic stroke.

I can think of worse ways to go.

--
Dr. Dickie Skepticult member in good standing #394-00596-438
Poking kooks with a pointy stick. "The most exciting
phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new
discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' ('I found it!'), but rather
'hmm....that's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov

[Rbr]

On 23 Aug 2005 19:35:44 -0700, "Nick"
<macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote:

>RB Boloney.
>
>You think bassackwards.
>
>I know how to be healthy. You can keep your drugs!

Drugs? You need help Nick.

RBR

[Kamalakar]

"Dr_Dickie" <Dr_Dicke@chembench.com> wrote in message
news:1124895708.d046541fe2c2209da3b547e96b952b35@teranews

> Sure. But the real question is, "Why do I feel better?"
> Because my cholesterol is lower, I doubt that. Because I
> lost 100 lbs., yep, that is likely the reason.

If you were obese that is OK but otherwise one feels lot of
discomfort loosing weight .

Kam

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[Just Cocky]

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:02:24 -0400, "Dr_Dickie"
<Dr_Dicke@chembench.com> wrote:
>
>"Just Cocky" <just@cocky.com> wrote in message
>news:dv1pg1180i9sembi14ctq9bdgdqp47i3pc@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:26:13 -0400, "Dr. Dickie"
>> <Dr_Dickie@chembench.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >I got mine down to the 110-120 level
>> >
>>
>> Congratulations, you are now a prime candidadte for a
>> hemorrhagic stroke.
>
>I can think of worse ways to go.
>

The thing is that you might not go. You might simply stay as a
vegetable. And given cholesterol's role as brain food and as
precursor to several important sex hormones, like DHEA and
progesterone, you'll have a lousy life, even if stroke free.
At least, expect depression and anxiety to be a problem.

Extremely low cholesterol may lead to strokes, study finds:
http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9902/06/strokes/

Cholesterol warning for elderly:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1470672.stm

Low cholesterol linked to depression :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/352216.stm

How Cholesterol Works:
http://home.howstuffworks.com/cholesterol1.htm

Suicide link to cholesterol:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/435305.stm

Severe birth defects linked to low cholesterol levels during
pregnancy http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/07/07/105743013-
9492.html?oneclick=true

Low cholesterol 'not healthy for elderly
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1198088.stm

Conclusion: If I were you, I'd be working at stabilizing my
cholesterol at 200.

Good luck!

[Robert]

"Nick" <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1124867464.939180.86910@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> I don't need to do anything. I don't need a book. They can
> only take you so far and then something more must happen.
> I''m my own nutritionist.
>
> Shouldn't the body make enough cholesterol on its own?
>
> Show me where I am wrong silly little rob

The body should do a lot of things and when it doesn't that
is called disease. The body not at ease. If the body were
healthy then you wouldn't need intervention. If the body were
healthy by your definition then it wouldn't have produced a
high cholesterol. It was your bodies handling of dietary
cholesterol and endogenous cholesterol production by your
body that screwed it up. You are now over compensating by
depriving your body of nutrients in order to control that one
single cholesterol problem. This deprivation you call the
body curing itself.

[Dr_dickie]

"Kamalakar Pasupuleti" <p_kamalakar@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:665db67eea3b629cb072f3a02a9bd95f.67313@mygate.ma-
ilgate.org...
> "Dr_Dickie" <Dr_Dicke@chembench.com> wrote in message
> news:1124895708.d046541fe2c2209da3b547e96b952b35@teranews
>
> > Sure. But the real question is, "Why do I feel better?"
> > Because my cholesterol is lower, I doubt that. Because I
> > lost 100 lbs., yep, that is likely the reason.
>
> If you were obese that is OK but otherwise one feels lot
> of discomfort loosing weight .
>
> Kam
>

That goes hand in hand with metabolic syndrome X.

--
Dr. Dickie Skepticult member in good standing #394-00596-438
Poking kooks with a pointy stick. "The most exciting
phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new
discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' ('I found it!'), but rather
'hmm....that's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov

[Dr_dickie]

"Just Cocky" <just@cocky.com> wrote in message
news:3m5pg1tesbd3ko45m1nt2mbcog6p7h2i4d@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:02:24 -0400, "Dr_Dickie"
> <Dr_Dicke@chembench.com> wrote:
> >
> >"Just Cocky" <just@cocky.com> wrote in message
> >news:dv1pg1180i9sembi14ctq9bdgdqp47i3pc@4ax.com...
> >> On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:26:13 -0400, "Dr. Dickie"
> >> <Dr_Dickie@chembench.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >I got mine down to the 110-120 level
> >> >
> >>
> >> Congratulations, you are now a prime candidadte for a
> >> hemorrhagic stroke.
> >
> >I can think of worse ways to go.
> >
>
> The thing is that you might not go. You might simply stay as
> a vegetable. And given cholesterol's role as brain food and
> as precursor to several important sex hormones, like DHEA
> and progesterone, you'll have a lousy life, even if stroke
> free. At least, expect depression and anxiety to be a
> problem.
>
> Extremely low cholesterol may lead to strokes, study finds:
> http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9902/06/strokes/
>
> Cholesterol warning for elderly:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1470672.stm
>
> Low cholesterol linked to depression :
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/352216.stm
>
> How Cholesterol Works:
> http://home.howstuffworks.com/cholesterol1.htm
>
> Suicide link to cholesterol:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/435305.stm
>
> Severe birth defects linked to low cholesterol levels during
> pregnancy http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/07/07/1057430-
> 139492.html?oneclick=true
>
> Low cholesterol 'not healthy for elderly
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1198088.stm
>
> Conclusion: If I were you, I'd be working at stabilizing my
> cholesterol at 200.
>
> Good luck!

If you get your scientific evidence through the filter of the
media, you are in for a very paranoid and hateful life. The
media does not understand science, does not want to understand
science, they just want to make you (watch or read). Time will
tell, but I am sticking with what I got for right now.

--
Dr. Dickie Skepticult member in good standing #394-00596-438
Poking kooks with a pointy stick. "The most exciting
phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new
discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' ('I found it!'), but rather
'hmm....that's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov

[Jim Chinni]

Just Cocky <just@cocky.com> wrote in part:

>On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:02:24 -0400, "Dr_Dickie"
><Dr_Dicke@chembench.com> wrote:
>>
>>"Just Cocky" <just@cocky.com> wrote in message
>>news:dv1pg1180i9sembi14ctq9bdgdqp47i3pc@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:26:13 -0400, "Dr. Dickie"
>>> <Dr_Dickie@chembench.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >I got mine down to the 110-120 level
>>> >
>>>
>>> Congratulations, you are now a prime candidadte for a
>>> hemorrhagic stroke.
>>
>>I can think of worse ways to go.
>>
>
>The thing is that you might not go. You might simply stay as
>a vegetable. And given cholesterol's role as brain food and
>as precursor to several important sex hormones, like DHEA and
>progesterone, you'll have a lousy life, even if stroke free.
>At least, expect depression and anxiety to be a problem.
>
>Extremely low cholesterol may lead to strokes, study finds:
>http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9902/06/strokes/
>
>Cholesterol warning for elderly:
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1470672.stm
>
>Low cholesterol linked to depression :
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/352216.stm
>
>How Cholesterol Works:
>http://home.howstuffworks.com/cholesterol1.htm
>
>Suicide link to cholesterol:
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/435305.stm
>
>Severe birth defects linked to low cholesterol levels during
>pregnancy http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/07/07/10574301-
>39492.html?oneclick=true
>
>Low cholesterol 'not healthy for elderly
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1198088.stm
>
>Conclusion: If I were you, I'd be working at stabilizing my
>cholesterol at 200.
>
>Good luck!

CNN and the BBC gotta be right! Hahahahaha...
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA jchinnis@alum.mit.edu

[Just Cocky]

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:30:28 -0400, "Dr_Dickie"
<Dr_Dicke@chembench.com> wrote:
>
>"Just Cocky" <just@cocky.com> wrote in message
>news:3m5pg1tesbd3ko45m1nt2mbcog6p7h2i4d@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:02:24 -0400, "Dr_Dickie"
>> <Dr_Dicke@chembench.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >"Just Cocky" <just@cocky.com> wrote in message
>> >news:dv1pg1180i9sembi14ctq9bdgdqp47i3pc@4ax.com...
>> >> On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:26:13 -0400, "Dr. Dickie"
>> >> <Dr_Dickie@chembench.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >I got mine down to the 110-120 level
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Congratulations, you are now a prime candidadte for a
>> >> hemorrhagic stroke.
>> >
>> >I can think of worse ways to go.
>> >
>>
>> The thing is that you might not go. You might simply stay
>> as a vegetable. And given cholesterol's role as brain food
>> and as precursor to several important sex hormones, like
>> DHEA and progesterone, you'll have a lousy life, even if
>> stroke free. At least, expect depression and anxiety to be
>> a problem.
>>
>> Extremely low cholesterol may lead to strokes, study finds:
>> http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9902/06/strokes/
>>
>> Cholesterol warning for elderly:
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1470672.stm
>>
>> Low cholesterol linked to depression :
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/352216.stm
>>
>> How Cholesterol Works:
>> http://home.howstuffworks.com/cholesterol1.htm
>>
>> Suicide link to cholesterol:
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/435305.stm
>>
>> Severe birth defects linked to low cholesterol levels
>> during pregnancy http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/07/07-
>> /1057430139492.html?oneclick=true
>>
>> Low cholesterol 'not healthy for elderly
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1198088.stm
>>
>> Conclusion: If I were you, I'd be working at stabilizing my
>> cholesterol at 200.
>>
>> Good luck!
>
>If you get your scientific evidence through the filter of the
>media, you are in for a very paranoid and hateful life.
>

I don't. I use PubMed extensively.

>
>The media does not understand science, does not want to
>understand science, they just want to make you (watch or
>read). Time will tell, but I am sticking with what I got for
>right now.
>

Hey, it's your body!

[Just Cocky]

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 02:15:00 GMT, Jim Chinnis
<jchinnis@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>
>Just Cocky <just@cocky.com> wrote in part:
>
>>On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:02:24 -0400, "Dr_Dickie"
>><Dr_Dicke@chembench.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"Just Cocky" <just@cocky.com> wrote in message
>>>news:dv1pg1180i9sembi14ctq9bdgdqp47i3pc@4ax.com...
>>>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:26:13 -0400, "Dr. Dickie"
>>>> <Dr_Dickie@chembench.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >I got mine down to the 110-120 level
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Congratulations, you are now a prime candidadte for a
>>>> hemorrhagic stroke.
>>>
>>>I can think of worse ways to go.
>>>
>>
>>The thing is that you might not go. You might simply stay as
>>a vegetable. And given cholesterol's role as brain food and
>>as precursor to several important sex hormones, like DHEA
>>and progesterone, you'll have a lousy life, even if stroke
>>free. At least, expect depression and anxiety to be a
>>problem.
>>
>>Extremely low cholesterol may lead to strokes, study finds:
>>http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9902/06/strokes/
>>
>>Cholesterol warning for elderly:
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1470672.stm
>>
>>Low cholesterol linked to depression :
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/352216.stm
>>
>>How Cholesterol Works:
>>http://home.howstuffworks.com/cholesterol1.htm
>>
>>Suicide link to cholesterol:
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/435305.stm
>>
>>Severe birth defects linked to low cholesterol levels during
>>pregnancy http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/07/07/1057430-
>>139492.html?oneclick=true
>>
>>Low cholesterol 'not healthy for elderly
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1198088.stm
>>
>>Conclusion: If I were you, I'd be working at stabilizing my
>>cholesterol at 200.
>>
>>Good luck!
>
>CNN and the BBC gotta be right! Hahahahaha...
>

Do you have a point or are just trying to make friends? You
don't have to believe me or BBC. PubMed is your friend. Feel
free to do your own research.

[Pizza Girl]

Come back and post this same message in 30 years.

"Nick" <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1124920899.906989.66490@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Boloney Bob. Changing my diet isn't a deprevation. On the
> contrary I sense no problem at all. If something was wrong
> with my diet my body would have told me. I don't have to
> hear it from you!
>
> Like I said the body can make its own. Its non essential.
> Show me differently.
>
> I'll let my body do what its made to do.
>
> You can keep your drugs.

[Rbr]

On 24 Aug 2005 15:01:39 -0700, "Nick"
<macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Boloney Bob. Changing my diet isn't a deprevation. On the
>contrary I sense no problem at all. If something was wrong
>with my diet my body would have told me. I don't have to hear
>it from you!
>
>Like I said the body can make its own. Its non essential.
>Show me differently.
>

If you put a stop to dietary cholesterol then your body simply
produces more, so what's your point?

>I'll let my body do what its made to do.
>
>You can keep your drugs.

What's up with the drugs again? You have a drug preoccupation
or something?

RBR

[Pizza Girl]

We'll see if you'll be around. It all starts wuth denial.

"Nick" <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1124927165.291013.101250@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> I am sure I'll be around!!!
>
> I don't know about you Pizza is bad for you!!!

[John Sanke]

"Profound changes in our environment began with the
introduction of agriculture and animal husbandry 10,000 years
ago, too recent on an evolutionary time scale for the human
genome to adjust."

Two cautions:

The life of people who followed their animals and lived almost
exclusively off them (bison and caribou in North America,
reindeer in northern Asia) began much more than 10k years ago.

Recent evolutionary research (Y-chromosome and mitochondrial
DNA) shows that human evolution through selection is much
faster than previously expected. For example, virtually all
the population of today's Europe derives from 10 or so males
less than 20k years ago. 0.5% of the world's human population
has as ancestor one male ca. 1000 years ago. Female ancestry
scale seems to be a bit longer, but not much...

[Ann]

R.B.R. : I am thinking more and more that this guy's initials
(RBR) stand for:

- Reprehensible Boring Reprobate -

(perfectlly describes him if you judge him from his
writings...)

Ann

RBR wrote:
> On 23 Aug 2005 17:08:53 -0700, "Nick"
> <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Ann I waited to give up dairy. I've done it more than once.
> >I did find I feel better and consume less calories by
> >drinking good soymilk for my beverage.
>
> Try drinking horse piss, I hear it is even lower in calories
> than soy milk Nick.
> >
>
> >I am not looking for pleasure from food as the health I get
> >from eating right gives me pleasure.
>
> Yes I can see that your diet certainly gives you no
> pleasure. Are you a masochist Nick. Do you want a medal for
> putting up with the ultra-boring diet?
>
> >I have well being! And logeveity I am certain will be
> >another reward.
>
> Low cholesterol is not conducive to longevity. Low
> cholesterol is more likely to make you a candidate for
> a stroke.
>
> RBR

[Nick]

Kamalakar Pasupuleti wrote:
> "Nick" <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1124921123.362810.93550@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
>
> > Kam, after eating the omega 3 fish for a year or so I
> > noticed my mind/brain was stronger!!!
> >
> > I could tell a difference.
>
> Great , did you use any fish oil ? Kam
>
>
>
>
> --
> Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG

No fish iol supplements. Just sardines herring and salmon.

[Nick]

The wrong food!!!

I can tell by your nick.

[Nick]

Kamalakar Pasupuleti wrote:
> "Nick" <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1124947768.493326.254750@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
>
> > I wish to bring up the things that lowered my cholesterol.
> > I must add besides fiber and vegetarianism also my omega 3
> > consumption probably lowered it.
>
> Have you tested your triglycerides after being on a
> vegeterian diet ? I am a vegeterian and my
> triglycerides are slightly elevated and my doctor told
> me since I am a vegeterian my TG's are a bit elevated
> but that is not a concern at all . My total cholesterol
> LDL and HDL are normal . I am a T2 diabetic .
>
> I am thinking of adding fish oil suppliments to reduce the
> TG's . What's your experience ? Kam-- Posted via
> Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG

Kam I became a vegetarian for the reason of bringing down my
triglycerids not my cholesterol.

Four years back they were at about 500. It didn't bother my
doctor so it didn't bother me unfortunately.

I fired that doctor. My new doctor told me that I could do
better. So I set out to do things myself. I went on a low fat
diet first and that brought my triglycerides to 300. Then
after seeing that they were still high I became a vegetarian.
Now I tested at about
150. Which for some reason wasnt low enough for my new doctor
who wants me to take his "drug"

I am on a low carb diet so I expect to consume more fat. A few
points above normal is not a problem for me considering how
long I lived with them so high! The fish diet probably does
lower triglycerides but it hasn't been enough for me to see.

I tried Red yeast rice for a month for triglycerides. It
didn't raise my HDL and it didn't lower my Triglycerides. What
it did do is drop my total cholesterol to what I consider a
dangerous level: 107.

No more red yeast rice for me!!! And I am adding occasional
meat! So I just am not a strict vegetarian. I know I can bring
my cholesterol back to a healthy level. I am shooting for
about 150-160.

[Nick]

I am close to vegetarian. What about you?

[Kamalakar]

"Ann" <Well4Life0@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1124993160.710203.143040@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

> > Low cholesterol is not conducive to longevity. Low
> > cholesterol is more likely to make you a candidate for a
> > stroke.
> >
> > RBR

What are the ideal figures of lipids , TC , HDL , LDL and
TG in your opinion and which one is more dangerous ?

Kam

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[Rbr]

On 25 Aug 2005 11:06:00 -0700, "Ann"
<Well4Life0@lycos.com> wrote:

>R.B.R. : I am thinking more and more that this guy's initials
> (RBR) stand for:
>
>- Reprehensible Boring Reprobate -
>
>(perfectlly describes him if you judge him from his
>writings...)
>

Thanks!

RBR

[Juhana Har]

Nick wrote:
: Kamalakar Pasupuleti wrote:
:: "Nick" <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote in message
:: news:1124921123.362810.93550@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
::
::: Kam, after eating the omega 3 fish for a year or so I
::: noticed my mind/brain was stronger!!!
:::
::: I could tell a difference.
::
:: Great , did you use any fish oil ?
::
: No fish iol supplements. Just sardines herring and salmon.

In addition to omega-3 fatty acids sardines are high in RNA
which might be good for brain.

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag97/aug97-research.html

--
Juhana

[Kamalakar]

"Nick" <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1124947768.493326.254750@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

> I wish to bring up the things that lowered my cholesterol. I
> must add besides fiber and vegetarianism also my omega 3
> consumption probably lowered it.

Have you tested your triglycerides after being on a
vegeterian diet ? I am a vegeterian and my triglycerides
are slightly elevated and my doctor told me since I am a
vegeterian my TG's are a bit elevated but that is not a
concern at all . My total cholesterol LDL and HDL are
normal . I am a T2 diabetic .

I am thinking of adding fish oil suppliments to reduce the
TG's . What's your experience ?

Kam

--
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[Juhana Har]

Nick wrote:
: I am not avoiding cholesterol. I have not gotten rid of
: anything permanently My triglycerides are the reason I
: became a vegetarian.

You are not a vegetarian as you eat sardines, herring, salmon.

--
Juhana

[Dr. Dickie]

"Kamalakar Pasupuleti" <p_kamalakar@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:9852a52e6d65b587554914baedf9f200.67313@mygate.ma-
ilgate.org...
> "Nick" <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1124947768.493326.254750@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
>
> > I wish to bring up the things that lowered my cholesterol.
> > I must add besides fiber and vegetarianism also my omega 3
> > consumption probably lowered it.
>
> Have you tested your triglycerides after being on a
> vegeterian diet ? I am a vegeterian and my
> triglycerides are slightly elevated and my doctor told
> me since I am a vegeterian my TG's are a bit elevated
> but that is not a concern at all . My total cholesterol
> LDL and HDL are normal . I am a T2 diabetic .
>
> I am thinking of adding fish oil suppliments to reduce the
> TG's . What's your experience ?
>
> Kam
>
>

If you are a T2 and have elevated triglycerides, make sure
that your doctor is checking your insulin levels (often
elevated triglycerides is an indication of elevated
insulin--not good long term). I would add fish oil, is there
anything it has not been seen to improve?

--
------
Dr. Dickie "Let be be finale of seem. The only emperor is the
emperor of ice-cream." -- Wallace Stevens

[Kamalakar]

"Dr. Dickie" <Dr_Dickie@chembench.com> wrote in message
news:1124976590.de9262400b1a64d14161ddb9b21eb2dd@teranews
>
> If you are a T2 and have elevated triglycerides, make sure
> that your doctor is checking your insulin levels (often
> elevated triglycerides is an indication of elevated
> insulin--not good long term). I would add fish oil, is there
> anything it has not been seen to improve?

I have to go for check up next month , will talk to my
doctor about adding fish oil . My BG levels seems to
be normal .

Regards , Kam

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[Pizza Girl]

What do I eat?

"Nick" <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1124940979.286632.264140@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> Show me what I am doing wrong then. I pointed out what you
> are doing wrong.
>
> You don't know how to eat right!

[Dr_dickie]

"Kamalakar Pasupuleti" <p_kamalakar@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:d5023e117615ca211fc46a39d830b532.67313@mygate.ma-
ilgate.org...
> "Dr. Dickie" <Dr_Dickie@chembench.com> wrote in message
> news:1124976590.de9262400b1a64d14161ddb9b21eb2dd@teranews
> >
> > If you are a T2 and have elevated triglycerides, make sure
> > that your
doctor
> > is checking your insulin levels (often elevated
> > triglycerides is an indication of elevated insulin--not
> > good long term). I would add fish oil, is there anything
> > it has not been seen to improve?
>
>
> I have to go for check up next month , will talk to my
> doctor about adding fish oil . My BG levels seems to be
> normal .
>
> Regards , Kam
>
>

Yeah, but insulin levels are something else. You may be
getting normal blood glucose (HbA1c and post pradial) due to
exteemly elevated insulin levels. Again, not a for sure thing,
but something to consider and talk to you doctor about (if you
tris do not come into line).

--
Dr. Dickie Skepticult member in good standing #394-00596-438
Poking kooks with a pointy stick. "The most exciting
phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new
discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' ('I found it!'), but rather
'hmm....that's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov

[Nick]

I see. Somebody told me the fish didn't count.

You're right I'm not a vegetarian. I'm just close!

[Kamalakar]

"Nick" <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1125030202.134828.290020@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com

> Kam I became a vegetarian for the reason of bringing down my
> triglycerids not my cholesterol.

> I tried Red yeast rice for a month for triglycerides. It
> didn't raise my HDL and it didn't lower my Triglycerides.
> What it did do is drop my total cholesterol to what I
> consider a dangerous level: 107.
>
> No more red yeast rice for me!!! And I am adding occasional
> meat! So I just am not a strict vegetarian. I know I can
> bring my cholesterol back to a healthy level. I am shooting
> for about 150-160.

Fine , keep it up . Goodluck .

Kam

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[Juhana Har]

Nick wrote:
: I am close to vegetarian. What about you?

I am close being vegetarian too, but as I eat some fish
(mainly mackerel and salmon) an shrimps and I use fish oil
supplements, I don't define myself as a vegetarian. It is self
delusion to say that you are a vegetarian if you are not.

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[Just Cocky]

On 26 Aug 2005 12:37:30 -0700, "Nick"
<macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>I see. Somebody told me the fish didn't count.
>
>You're right I'm not a vegetarian. I'm just close!
>

You cannot be a"close" vegetarian, man! Well, unless you think
you can be a "close" virgin, that is! :-)

[Kamalakar]

"Nick" <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I see. Somebody told me the fish didn't count.
>
> You're right I'm not a vegetarian. I'm just close!

For bengali's in India ( Eastern India ) fish is
vegeterian . Kam

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[John Sanke]

Many people here use the name "vegan" to mean strict
vegetarian. "vegetarian" is used to denote backsliders who eat
a bit of dairy, eggs or fish.

I'm sure every local dialect has their own definitions,
though. As far as I'm concerned, vegan plus 5% fish
equals healthy!

[George Che]

"John Sankey" <bf250@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
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>
> Many people here use the name "vegan" to mean strict
> vegetarian. "vegetarian" is used to denote backsliders who
> eat a bit of dairy, eggs or fish.
>
> I'm sure every local dialect has their own definitions,
> though. As far as I'm concerned, vegan plus 5% fish equals
> healthy!

And don't forget the B-12 supplement.

[Montygram]

Since "vegan diet" can mean so many things, it is hardly worth
discussing on a science NG. If you want to specify what
molecules you think are "beneficial," I'd be curious to know
how you arrived at your ideas, but otherwise, this is what
leads to the shell games being played by the "experts," who
rail against "saturated fat" without offering a consistent
scientific definition for that phrase.

[Enrico C]

On 28 Aug 2005 17:07:16 GMT, John Sankey wrote in
<news:desr04$c00$1@theodyn.ncf.ca> on sci.med.nutrition :

> Many people here use the name "vegan" to mean strict
> vegetarian. "vegetarian" is used to denote backsliders who
> eat a bit of dairy, eggs or fish.
>
> I'm sure every local dialect has their own definitions,
> though. As far as I'm concerned, vegan plus 5% fish equals
> healthy!

Isn't that like being a virgin plus having sex on
Sundays...? :-)

[Montygram]

After being vegan for over ten years, began taking fish oil
pills and eating a little ground flax. It almost killed me. It
is a terrible diet. I had severe osteoporosis, tendonosis,
fungal infections, yeast infections, but worst of all, I lost
my ability to digest food. There are many anti-nutritive
elements to this kind of diet, though again, you need to be
specific about what you are eating.

[George Che]

"montygram" <nazztrader@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> After being vegan for over ten years, began taking fish oil
> pills and eating a little ground flax. It almost killed me.
> It is a terrible diet. I had severe osteoporosis,
> tendonosis, fungal infections, yeast infections, but worst
> of all, I lost my ability to digest food. There are many
> anti-nutritive elements to this kind of diet, though again,
> you need to be specific about what you are eating.

It also profoundly affected your cognitive capacity.