EDTA

[Paul]

Does anyone have experience using EDTA Thanks Paul

[Just Cocky]

On 20 Aug 2005 17:46:51 -0700, "Paul"
<paulminor@rstarmail.com> wrote:
>
>Does anyone have experience using EDTA
>

For what purpose?

[Mr-Natural]

Paul wrote:

> Does anyone have experience using EDTA

Oral EDTA-Chelation Therapy

Now, somebody might actually have a clue as to what you are
talking about.

[Pizza Girl]

A distant Aunt of mine had a brutal stroke at age 75 and went
through injected EDTA chelation therapy. She is currently 85
and does volunteer work with the YMCA and various charity
groups. Driving people all over town she says she didn't feel
this good at age 16.

The therapy is expensive as the medical gurus have determeined
they don't want to pay for the procedure unless it is for lead
poisoning. It takes many. many visits over the period of
months to years on a depreciating frequency basis.

Ten years later she looks good still.

"Paul" <paulminor@rstarmail.com> wrote in message
news:1124585211.946524.7990@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> Does anyone have experience using EDTA Thanks Paul

[Ommanipadm]

In article
<1124585211.946524.7990@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, "Paul"
<paulminor@rstarmail.com> wrote:

> Does anyone have experience using EDTA Thanks Paul
>

We use it in the lab to prevent a blood specimen from clotting
before running it thru the cell counter.

It's a calcium binder.....

I'm dubious about it's safety as a food preservative.

What's wrong with ascorbates and tocopherols?
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a
son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

[Pizza Girl]

What binding powers do ascorbates and tocopherals have?

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <Omelet@brokenegz.com> wrote in message
news:Omelet-8A012B.08414921082005@corp.supernews.com...
> In article
> <1124585211.946524.7990@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
> "Paul" <paulminor@rstarmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have experience using EDTA Thanks Paul
> >
>
> We use it in the lab to prevent a blood specimen from
> clotting before running it thru the cell counter.
>
> It's a calcium binder.....
>
> I'm dubious about it's safety as a food preservative.
>
> What's wrong with ascorbates and tocopherols?
> --
> Om.
>
> "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a
> son-of-a-bitch." -Jack
Nicholson

[Jeff]

"Mr-Natural-Health" <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com>
wrote in message
news:1124598272.943451.87380@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Paul wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have experience using EDTA
>
> Oral EDTA-Chelation Therapy
>
> Now, somebody might actually have a clue as to what you are
> talking about.

EDTA has not been shown to be helpful in preventing
heart disease.

Jeff

[Jeff]

"Pizza Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote in message
news:1124631121.609f4f09a0c30a77ce25023ebe932e01@teranews...
>A distant Aunt of mine had a brutal stroke at age 75 and went
>through injected EDTA chelation therapy. She is currently 85
>and does volunteer work with the YMCA and various charity
>groups. Driving people all over town she says she didn't feel
>this good at age 16.
>
> The therapy is expensive as the medical gurus have
> determeined they don't want to pay for the procedure unless
> it is for lead poisoning.

That is because there is no evidence that the treatment works.
It is a waste of time and money. That is why the medical gurus
don't want to pay for it.

> It takes many. many visits over the period of months to
> years on a depreciating frequency basis.
>
> Ten years later she looks good still.

I am sure she did many other things besides chelation.

Jeff

> "Paul" <paulminor@rstarmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1124585211.946524.7990@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>> Does anyone have experience using EDTA Thanks Paul
>

[George Lag]

"Pizza Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote:
> A distant Aunt of mine had a brutal stroke at age 75 and
> went through injected EDTA chelation therapy. She is
> currently 85 and does volunteer
work
> with the YMCA and various charity groups. Driving people all
> over town she says she didn't feel this good at age 16.

Pizza Girl, I receive health mailings for oral
EDTA capsules products all the time.

[Ommanipadm]

In article
<1124651629.ac5acdccff1d8cc1a76a6fdf0a33b178@teranews>, "Pizza
Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote:

> What binding powers do ascorbates and tocopherals have?
>

I was referring to their use as preservatives in food...
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a
son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

[Just Cocky]

On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 00:17:39 GMT, "Jeff"
<kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Mr-Natural-Health" <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com>
>wrote in message
>news:1124598272.943451.87380@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Paul wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone have experience using EDTA
>>
>> Oral EDTA-Chelation Therapy
>>
>> Now, somebody might actually have a clue as to what you are
>> talking about.
>
>EDTA has not been shown to be helpful in preventing
>heart disease.
>

Research on EDTA chelation is ongoing. See, for example: http-
://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pub-
med&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15917185&query_hl=1

[Pizza Girl]

Yes she sat in her wheel chair and slobered a lot while she
did mumble therapy. I think the slobbering is the medical way
to cure a bad stroke.

Try a better troll 3 out of 10 asshole

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:UR8Oe.9628$ns.387@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
> I am sure she did many other things besides chelation.
>
> Jeff

[Pizza Girl]

That's just bullshit from another asshole

WTF do you think a stroke is jerk off?

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:DQ8Oe.9627$ns.6718@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
> "Mr-Natural-Health" <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com>
> wrote in message news:1124598272.943451.87380@g47g2000cwa.g-
> ooglegroups.com...
> >
> > Paul wrote:
> >
> >> Does anyone have experience using EDTA
> >
> > Oral EDTA-Chelation Therapy
> >
> > Now, somebody might actually have a clue as to what you
> > are talking about.
>
> EDTA has not been shown to be helpful in preventing heart
> disease.
>
> Jeff

[Pizza Girl]

I didn't know it could be taken orally. Is it as effective?

"George Lagergren" <gel44@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:a_bOe.7612$RZ2.3251@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> "Pizza Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote:
> > A distant Aunt of mine had a brutal stroke at age 75 and
> > went through injected EDTA chelation therapy. She is
> > currently 85 and does volunteer
> work
> > with the YMCA and various charity groups. Driving people
> > all over town
she
> > says she didn't feel this good at age 16.
>
> Pizza Girl, I receive health mailings for oral
> EDTA capsules products all the time.

[Pizza Girl]

Wanna' talk cars or something instead then?

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <Omelet@brokenegz.com> wrote in message
news:Omelet-F3330E.14244521082005@corp.supernews.com...
> In article
> <1124651629.ac5acdccff1d8cc1a76a6fdf0a33b178@teranews>,
> "Pizza Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote:
>
> > What binding powers do ascorbates and tocopherals have?
> >
>
> I was referring to their use as preservatives in food...
> --
> Om.
>
> "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a
> son-of-a-bitch." -Jack
Nicholson

[Jeff]

"Pizza Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote in message
news:1124674892.1525ca7c9eb7a7a16acde0415aced82a@teranews...
> That's just bullshit from another asshole.
>
> WTF do you think a stroke is jerk off?

A stroke is damage to the brain from lack of blood flow,
usually from a clot.

The mechanisms of heart disease and stroke are very similar,
both involving hardening of the arteries.

And, I don't believe that EDTA has been shown to be beneficial
to help stroke or heart disease or prevent either one of them.

Jeff

PS, You should start posting your comment inline. It makes the
conversation easier to follow and show respect to your
fellow readers. Of course, I am not suggesting that anything
you have to say is worthwhile reading.

> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:DQ8Oe.9627$ns.6718@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>
>> "Mr-Natural-Health"
>> <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote in
>> message news:1124598272.943451.87380@g47g2000cwa.google-
>> groups.com...
>> >
>> > Paul wrote:
>> >
>> >> Does anyone have experience using EDTA
>> >
>> > Oral EDTA-Chelation Therapy
>> >
>> > Now, somebody might actually have a clue as to what you
>> > are talking about.
>>
>> EDTA has not been shown to be helpful in preventing heart
>> disease.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>

[Jeff]

"Pizza Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote in message
news:1124674801.a537a73f4a278c4b8c26f455f452dfc7@teranews...
> Yes she sat in her wheel chair and slobered a lot while she
> did mumble therapy. I think the slobbering is the medical
> way to cure a bad stroke.
>
> Try a better troll 3 out of 10 asshole

Thanks for the nice comments. You really show your
intelligence with them.

When did you aunt get the EDTA in relationship to her storke?
Immediately? A few days after? A few weeks or months after?

What evidence is there that EDTA helps stroke victims?

Thanks.

Jeff

PS, it would be much easier to follow your conversations, if
there is anything worth following, if you made your comments
in line instead of on top.

> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:UR8Oe.9628$ns.387@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>
>> I am sure she did many other things besides chelation.
>>
>> Jeff
>

[Robert]

"Pizza Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote in message
news:1124684424.d30701a8c3a063788b9acaba4785bca2@teranews...
> I didn't know it could be taken orally. Is it as effective?
>
> "George Lagergren" <gel44@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:a_bOe.7612$RZ2.3251@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> > "Pizza Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote:
> > > A distant Aunt of mine had a brutal stroke at age 75 and
> > > went through injected EDTA chelation therapy. She is
> > > currently 85 and does
volunteer
> > work
> > > with the YMCA and various charity groups. Driving people
> > > all over town
> she
> > > says she didn't feel this good at age 16.
> >
> > Pizza Girl, I receive health mailings for
> > oral EDTA
capsules
> > products all the time.
> >
> >
>
>

It's excellent for those Type A blood diet people who eat
plant lectins and get agglutinated. The EDTA
unagglutinates them.

[Pizza Girl]

You should stop trolling.

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:HwaOe.9667$ns.197@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
> "Pizza Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote in message news:11246748-
> 92.1525ca7c9eb7a7a16acde0415aced82a@teranews...
> > That's just bullshit from another asshole.
> >
> > WTF do you think a stroke is jerk off?
>
> A stroke is damage to the brain from lack of blood flow,
> usually from a clot.
>
> The mechanisms of heart disease and stroke are very
> similar, both
involving
> hardening of the arteries.
>
> And, I don't believe that EDTA has been shown to be
> beneficial to help stroke or heart disease or prevent either
> one of them.
>
> Jeff
>
> PS, You should start posting your comment inline. It
> makes the
conversation
> easier to follow and show respect to your fellow readers. Of
> course, I am not suggesting that anything you have to say is
> worthwhile reading.
>
> > "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:DQ-
> > 8Oe.9627$ns.6718@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> >>
> >> "Mr-Natural-Health"
> >> <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote in
> >> message news:1124598272.943451.87380@g47g2000cwa.google-
> >> groups.com...
> >> >
> >> > Paul wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Does anyone have experience using EDTA
> >> >
> >> > Oral EDTA-Chelation Therapy
> >> >
> >> > Now, somebody might actually have a clue as to what you
> >> > are talking about.
> >>
> >> EDTA has not been shown to be helpful in preventing heart
> >> disease.
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >>
> >
>

[Pizza Girl]

Stop troll posting

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tBaOe.9669$ns.516@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
> "Pizza Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote in message news:11246748-
> 01.a537a73f4a278c4b8c26f455f452dfc7@teranews...
> > Yes she sat in her wheel chair and slobered a lot while
> > she did mumble therapy. I think the slobbering is the
> > medical way to cure a bad stroke.
> >
> > Try a better troll 3 out of 10 asshole
>
> Thanks for the nice comments. You really show your
> intelligence with them.
>
> When did you aunt get the EDTA in relationship to her
> storke? Immediately?
A
> few days after? A few weeks or months after?
>
> What evidence is there that EDTA helps stroke victims?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jeff
>
> PS, it would be much easier to follow your conversations, if
> there is anything worth following, if you made your
> comments in line instead of on top.
>
>
> > "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:UR-
> > 8Oe.9628$ns.387@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> >>
> >> I am sure she did many other things besides chelation.
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >
>

[Ommanipadm]

In article <85OdnecuV75f8JTeRVn-iQ@got.net>,
"Robert" <Robertitsme@hotmail.com> wrote:

> "Pizza Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote in message news:11246844-
> 24.d30701a8c3a063788b9acaba4785bca2@teranews...
> > I didn't know it could be taken orally. Is it as
> > effective?
> >
> > "George Lagergren" <gel44@earthlink.net> wrote in
> > message news:a_bOe.7612$RZ2.3251@newsread3.news.atl.ear-
> > thlink.net...
> > > "Pizza Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote:
> > > > A distant Aunt of mine had a brutal stroke at age 75
> > > > and went through injected EDTA chelation therapy. She
> > > > is currently 85 and does
> volunteer
> > > work
> > > > with the YMCA and various charity groups. Driving
> > > > people all over town
> > she
> > > > says she didn't feel this good at age 16.
> > >
> > > Pizza Girl, I receive health mailings for
> > > oral EDTA
> capsules
> > > products all the time.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> It's excellent for those Type A blood diet people who eat
> plant lectins and get agglutinated. The EDTA
> unagglutinates them.
>
>

<lol!>
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a
son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

[Ommanipadm]

In article
<1124684343.36eb72800717f9f464e0abbd857bd198@teranews>, "Pizza
Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote:

> You should stop trolling.
>

On the rag again deary?????
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a
son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

[Jeff]

"Pizza Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote in message
news:1124684424.d30701a8c3a063788b9acaba4785bca2@teranews...
>I didn't know it could be taken orally. Is it as effective?

Effective for whom? I suspect that it is effective for the
marketing companies, or they would stop sending health
mailings. It is not effective for patients, because the
EDTA is not absorbed well and because the EDTA does not
work to help stroke victims or to prevent or treat heart
attacks or stroke.

Jeff

> "George Lagergren" <gel44@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:a_bOe.7612$RZ2.3251@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>> "Pizza Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote:
>> > A distant Aunt of mine had a brutal stroke at age 75 and
>> > went through injected EDTA chelation therapy. She is
>> > currently 85 and does volunteer
>> work
>> > with the YMCA and various charity groups. Driving people
>> > all over town
> she
>> > says she didn't feel this good at age 16.
>>
>> Pizza Girl, I receive health mailings for oral
>> EDTA capsules products all the time.
>>
>

[Jeff]

"Pizza Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote in message
news:1124684343.36eb72800717f9f464e0abbd857bd198@teranews...
> You should stop trolling.

You should stop top-posting.

However, I am not trolling. I am responding to comments other
make. Your calling it trolling doesn't make it so. In fact, I
believe you call it trolling because you cannot come up with
an intelligent response to what I have to say.

Jeff

> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:HwaOe.9667$ns.197@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>
>> "Pizza Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote in message news:1124674-
>> 892.1525ca7c9eb7a7a16acde0415aced82a@teranews...
>> > That's just bullshit from another asshole.
>> >
>> > WTF do you think a stroke is jerk off?
>>
>> A stroke is damage to the brain from lack of blood flow,
>> usually from a clot.
>>
>> The mechanisms of heart disease and stroke are very
>> similar, both
> involving
>> hardening of the arteries.
>>
>> And, I don't believe that EDTA has been shown to be
>> beneficial to help stroke or heart disease or prevent
>> either one of them.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> PS, You should start posting your comment inline. It
>> makes the
> conversation
>> easier to follow and show respect to your fellow readers.
>> Of course, I am not suggesting that anything you have to
>> say is worthwhile reading.
>>
>> > "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:D-
>> > Q8Oe.9627$ns.6718@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>> >>
>> >> "Mr-Natural-Health"
>> >> <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote in
>> >> message news:1124598272.943451.87380@g47g2000cwa.google-
>> >> groups.com...
>> >> >
>> >> > Paul wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Does anyone have experience using EDTA
>> >> >
>> >> > Oral EDTA-Chelation Therapy
>> >> >
>> >> > Now, somebody might actually have a clue as to what
>> >> > you are talking about.
>> >>
>> >> EDTA has not been shown to be helpful in preventing
>> >> heart disease.
>> >>
>> >> Jeff
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>

[Jeff]

"Pizza Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote in message
news:1124684376.06ff1880add31c014dca1b93c769daf5@teranews...
> Stop troll posting

When I challenge you to provide facts, you call me a "troll."
I guess that is your way of trying to wiggle out of a
dicussion.

Jeff

> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:tBaOe.9669$ns.516@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>
>> "Pizza Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote in message news:1124674-
>> 801.a537a73f4a278c4b8c26f455f452dfc7@teranews...
>> > Yes she sat in her wheel chair and slobered a lot while
>> > she did mumble therapy. I think the slobbering is the
>> > medical way to cure a bad stroke.
>> >
>> > Try a better troll 3 out of 10 asshole
>>
>> Thanks for the nice comments. You really show your
>> intelligence with them.
>>
>> When did you aunt get the EDTA in relationship to her
>> storke? Immediately?
> A
>> few days after? A few weeks or months after?
>>
>> What evidence is there that EDTA helps stroke victims?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> PS, it would be much easier to follow your conversations,
>> if there is anything worth following, if you made your
>> comments in line instead of on top.
>>
>>
>> > "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:U-
>> > R8Oe.9628$ns.387@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>> >>
>> >> I am sure she did many other things besides chelation.
>> >>
>> >> Jeff
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>

[Mr-Natural]

George Lagergren wrote:

> I receive health mailings for oral EDTA capsules products
> all the time.

You have my condolences. :(

One of your the vitamin companies or magazines that you do
business with has sold their mailing lists.

Just thought that you might want to know.

[George Lag]

Topic: EDTA

"Pizza Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote:
> I didn't know it could be taken orally. Is it as effective?

The health mailings say oral EDTA chelation capsules
are effective. Plus they have user comments about what
the health benefits that the oral EDTA capsules have
proven to be.

btw, taking cayenne pepper in liquid herbal extract
form may be effective, too. See
www.straussheartdrops.com .

[Pizza Girl]

Do you have any cites or sites to support your
ridiculous rantings?

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%MiOe.88$_84.2@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
> "Pizza Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote in message news:11246844-
> 24.d30701a8c3a063788b9acaba4785bca2@teranews...
> >I didn't know it could be taken orally. Is it as effective?
>
> Effective for whom? I suspect that it is effective for the
> marketing companies, or they would stop sending health
> mailings. It is not effective for patients, because the EDTA
> is not absorbed well and because the EDTA does not work to
> help stroke victims or to prevent or treat heart attacks
or
> stroke.
>
> Jeff
>
> > "George Lagergren" <gel44@earthlink.net> wrote in
> > message news:a_bOe.7612$RZ2.3251@newsread3.news.atl.ear-
> > thlink.net...
> >> "Pizza Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote:
> >> > A distant Aunt of mine had a brutal stroke at age 75
> >> > and went through injected EDTA chelation therapy. She
> >> > is currently 85 and does
volunteer
> >> work
> >> > with the YMCA and various charity groups. Driving
> >> > people all over
town
> > she
> >> > says she didn't feel this good at age 16.
> >>
> >> Pizza Girl, I receive health mailings for
> >> oral EDTA
capsules
> >> products all the time.
> >>
> >>
> >
>

[Jeff]

"Pizza Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote in message
news:1124753819.07fbd7db12114fbed1ee8095667f01c5@teranews...
> Do you have any cites or sites to support your ridiculous
> rantings?

I don't have any "ridiculous rantings." However, I am able
to support my position that chelation therapy is dangerous
and useless:

http://quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/chelation.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&am-
p;db=PubMed&amp;list_uids=10874275&amp;dopt=Abstract

Jeff

[Sbharris-L]

George Lagergren wrote:
> Topic: EDTA
>
> "Pizza Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote:
> > I didn't know it could be taken orally. Is it as
> > effective?
>
> The health mailings say oral EDTA chelation capsules
> are effective. Plus they have user comments about
> what the health benefits that the oral EDTA capsules
> have proven to be.

COMMENT:

Well, then you'd better believe, them, hadn't you? (If you
automatically believe everything you see in print, why don't
you subscribe to the LANCET or something else which isn't full
of misinformation?)

Now that you've given up milk, it's only natural that you
should take to EDTA capsules with your food. There are some
people who, when presented with 4 possible correct choices,
will still figure out how to make the 5th wrong one.

Ommanipadme says her set of cremated ashes from a 200 lb
person only weighs 5 pounds. Either they lost some (always a
problem with mortuaries) or else whoever it was, was obese and
thin-boned and/or skimping on calcium too.

Perhaps YOU can shoot for having your cremains weigh only 3
pounds, George. Sounds like you're well on the way. Pay no
attention to the hip fractures. Take the EDTA in your
wheelchair. Go for it.

SBH

[Ladylollip]

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Pizza Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote in message news:11247538-
> 19.07fbd7db12114fbed1ee8095667f01c5@teranews...
>> Do you have any cites or sites to support your ridiculous
>> rantings?
>
> I don't have any "ridiculous rantings." However, I am able
> to support my position that chelation therapy is dangerous
> and useless:

LOL!
>
> http://QUACK
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&-
> amp;db=PubMed&amp;list_uids=10874275&amp;dopt=Abstract
>
> Jeff

[Pizza Girl]

When you use those goofed up quack balls to quote you lose all
credibility from both sides of the fence.

Lousy troll even.

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Pizza Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote in message news:11247538-
> 19.07fbd7db12114fbed1ee8095667f01c5@teranews...
> > Do you have any cites or sites to support your ridiculous
> > rantings?
>
> I don't have any "ridiculous rantings." However, I am able
> to support my position that chelation therapy is dangerous
> and useless:
>
> http://quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/chelation.html
>
>
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&am-
p;db=PubMed&amp;list_uids=10874275&amp;dopt=Abstract
>
> Jeff

[Jeff]

"Pizza Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote in message
news:1124831690.1d3de9d6f908da1f9053efb3a48ce12f@teranews...
> When you use those goofed up quack balls to quote you lose
> all credibility from both sides of the fence.
>
> Lousy troll even.

Thanks for the personal attacks.

Please provide evdience that the Quackwatch page I referenced
is incorrect. Or that article I from PubMed I also referenced.

Also, please help us follow the thread more easily by
posting inline, not at the top. It shows respect for your
fellow readers.

Thanks.

Jeff

> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2vvOe.619$FW1.451@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>
>> "Pizza Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote in message news:1124753-
>> 819.07fbd7db12114fbed1ee8095667f01c5@teranews...
>> > Do you have any cites or sites to support your ridiculous
>> > rantings?
>>
>> I don't have any "ridiculous rantings." However, I am able
>> to support my position that chelation therapy is dangerous
>> and useless:
>>
>> http://quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/chelati-
>> on.html
>>
>>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&-
> amp;db=PubMed&amp;list_uids=10874275&amp;dopt=Abstract
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>

[Ladylollip]

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Pizza Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote in message news:11248316-
> 90.1d3de9d6f908da1f9053efb3a48ce12f@teranews...
>> When you use those goofed up quack balls to quote you lose
>> all credibility from both sides of the fence.
>>
>> Lousy troll even.
>
> Thanks for the personal attacks.
>
> Please provide evdience that the Quackwatch page I
> referenced is incorrect. Or that article I from PubMed I
> also referenced.

Already done.

http://www.chelationtherapyonl­ine.com/articles/p182.ht-
m#quac­­­k

Here is the photo of the man behind the web
sitehttp://www.quackwatch.com/inde­x.html. He often attacks
various health products and practices by making false claims
about them, as if those claims came FROM them, and then knocks
down these straw men of his own device.

****One of the most ***evil*** people on the web is a former
psychiatrist who lashes out against just about every possible
alternative health product or practice. It is, in fact, a hall
of fame. If you are mentioned in his pages you can assume you
are doing a good job! He attacks chelation therapy, of course,
but he selects a "straw man" to attack. In other words, the
early explanation of how chelation therapy works is well
proven to be false, event hough many people are still
repeating those lies. But, the more thoughtful intravenous
doctors have discarded this early theory and gone on to the
second theory, mentioned on another page (Click Here).After
EDTA was found effective in chelating and removing toxic
metals from the blood, some scientists postulated that
hardened arteries could be softened ifthe calcium in their
walls was removed. The first indication that EDTA treatment
might benefit patients with atherosclerosis came from Clarke,
Clarke,and Mosher, who, in 1956, reported that patients with
occlusive peripheralvascular disease said they felt better
after treatment with EDTA [AmericanJournal of Medical Science
230:654-666, 1956]. (Source)

http://drcranton.com/chelation­/rebuttal.htm

BUSTING THE QUACKBUSTERS REBUTTAL TO "QUACKWATCH" WEBSITE
OPPOSING CHELATION THERAPY:

By Elmer M. Cranton, M.D.

There exist a number of self-styled medical thought-police
types who call themselves "quack busters." They are fond of
attacking alternative and emerging medical therapies in favor
of the existing medical monopoly. They even have their own
Quackwatch Internet website. It is uncertain where the money
comes from to fund those efforts, but it might be enlightening
to trace that money back to its original source. One
investigator alleges that funding comes from pharmaceutical
manufacturers.

For years these so-called quackbusters have attacked
nutritional supplementation with high potency multi-vitamins
as "quackery." As summarized elsewhere on this website
(Nutrition In The News), recent scientific studies now prove
that virtually anyone can benefit from nutritional
supplementation. With egg on their faces from this recent
vitamin research, those same critics continue to attack
chelation therapy. I will now answer, point by point, an
article on the Quackwatch website by Dr. Saul Green entitled
"CHELATION THERAPY: UNPROVEN CLAIMS AND UNSOUND THEORIES," in
which Dr. Green attempts to discredit EDTA chelation using
half-truths, speculation, and false statements.

ALSO Click Here to read:

A MEDICAL SCHOOL PROFESSOR BUSTS THE QUACKBUSTERS

Opponents and critics of EDTA chelation, such as Saul Green,
rarely state that chelation "does not work" or that chelation
is "proven not to work." Instead they merely state that it is
"unproven." They are evasive and set a double standard. Bypass
surgery, balloon angioplasty and close to 80% of all other
therapies routinely used by medical doctors in everyday
practice are also "unproven," using those same unreasonable
standards. Most widely-accepted and traditional medical
therapies have never been subjected to double-blind, placebo
controlled clinical trials costing many millions of dollars?as
demanded by opponents of chelation therapy.

Detractors of chelation therapy insist that large,
multimillion-dollar studies be performed, giving half the
patients a placebo, with the placebo group "blinded"?unknown
to the investigators until the study is complete (called
"double-blind" because neither the doctors nor the patients
know who gets the placebo and who gets the active medication).
Drug companies are required by the FDA to test new
prescription drugs in this manner before they can make
marketing claims. On the other hand, bypass surgery, balloon
angioplasty and most other widely accepted medical procedures
have never been subjected to that type of testing. Because
patent protection has long since expired on EDTA, there is no
source of funding for such a study. N.I.H., the government
source for research money, has repeatedly refused to fund a
research grant to study EDTA chelation.

Saul Green makes an issue of an FTC ruling in 1998 relating to
advertising for EDTA chelation therapy. Because the FDA has
not yet approved EDTA chelation therapy for treatment of
atherosclerosis, the FTC ruled that it is not proper to imply
otherwise in advertisements to the lay public. The informed
consent provided to patients by chelation doctors has always
made that fact clear, but once again politically powerful
critics of chelation therapy have generated adverse publicity,
using what was essentially a non-issue. That FTC ruling was
based partly on their opinion that professional physicians
associations, such as the American College for Advancement in
Medicine (ACAM), should not advertise directly to the lay
public. The FTC ruling does not apply to the doctor patient
relationship. Training courses on chelation therapy continue
to be given to practicing physicians twice yearly by ACAM.

Drug companies quickly patent their newly developed remedies,
which allows them to charge high prices (usually a dollar or
more per capsule, sometimes much more) to recapture their
millions of dollars in expenses for the FDA-required double
blind studies. EDTA is a generic drug. Patent protection
expired many years ago. Double-blind placebo studies of
adequate size have therefore never been funded and probably
will not be funded in the future unless N.I.H. or a private
foundation can be convinced to do so with either public or
philanthropic funds. (In 2002 a $30 million research proposal
for a multi-center study of EDTA chelation therapy is under
consideration by
N.I.H.Let's all hope that it gets funded.)

Many highly positive smaller studies have been published
proving EDTA chelation therapy, reporting objective
measurements of before and after improvements. Statistical
analyses of those improvements are highly significant.
Summaries of those studies can be read on the following
webpage: Chelation Research. A chapter from my recent book,
Bypassing Bypass Surgery, summarizes the vast amount of
research supporting EDTA chelation therapy.

Those studies that support EDTA chelation are good science and
are scientifically valid. Only if it is assumed that placebo
effect could cause long-term, sustained increases in objective
blood flow measurements to the brain, heart and extremities
through diseased arteries can those studies be ignored.
Placebo effect has never been observed to last more than 6
months. Benefit from chelation therapy comes on slowly;
increasing for 3 to 5 months after treatment is complete and
persisting for years after a course of therapy. Placebo
benefit has never acted that way.

Saul Green's quackbuster attack on chelation therapy states
that those published studies are poorly designed and therefore
meaningless. I challenge any educated lay reader to review
those studies and not be impressed. It always desirable to
have bigger and better studies. There is always room for
improvement. That same statement could be made about any study
ever published. All of the existing clinical data is positive
and highly significant on statistical analysis. Independent
researchers, at different research facilities, using different
technology, were able to duplicate the positive findings of
increased blood flow through blocked arteries. Statistical
analysis continues to show consistent high significance.

The bypass surgery and balloon angioplasty industries gross
upwards of $6 billion per year. The cardiovascular drug
industry takes in upwards of $100 billion dollars per year. If
the existing studies of chelation therapy were to be accepted
as valid, those industries would suffer enormous losses. They
have no reason to want to see chelation therapy accepted.

In recent years opponents of chelation have published several
a number of small sham studies, falsely alleging that EDTA
chelation does not work. In every instance those studies were
actually supportive of EDTA chelation therapy, but they
contained an erroneous conclusion otherwise. Click here for an
analysis of deceptive studies. The recent PATCH study in
Calgary, Canada, is a truly blatant example of that practice.
That kind of junk science proves nothing, and the studies
cited actually contain evidence to support EDTA chelation
therapy. Nonetheless, they are quickly published in mainstream
medical journals, interspersed with full-page, four-color
advertisements for new and expensive pharmaceutical drugs. The
news media then prominently print articles stating that EDTA
chelation therapy has been proven not to work.

A wise consumer will review all existing sources of
information and then make up his or her own mind about what is
best. A Ford salesman will most likely tell you that a Ford is
superior to a Chevrolet and vice versa. Consumers should be
allowed to decide what feels right for them, without being
subjected to a "time-bomb-in-chest" hard-sell, with a
high-pressure, frightening sales pitch at a time when they are
highly vulnerable. Treadmills and angiograms are very
effective and can be frightening marketing tools leading to
expensive, dangerous and often unnecessary therapies.

Mark Twain once said that, "If the only tool you have is a
hammer, everything looks like a nail." A similar statement
could be made about cardiologists, whose only tool is a
catheter with balloon attached, or surgeons with their
scalpels. The same might also be said of a chelation
therapist. Buyer beware! Be an informed consumer. Every
therapist has their own bias.

Saul Green writes that the Kitchell, Meltzer reappraisal study
in 1963 showed no significant benefit. I have described their
exact data on the following webpage: Chelation Critics Deceive
the Public. You decide for yourself if you think it shows
significant benefit or not. For political, economic and other
unknown reasons, researchers occasionally interpret their data
in a way that fits their personal prejudices, either positive
or negative. When an unbiased, objective appraisal is made of
that same data, the opposite conclusion can sometimes be
supported. That has happened repeatedly with chelation
therapy. The facts are presented (Chelation Critics Deceive
the Public) to enable readers to form their own opinions.

Saul Green states that chelation is "not recognized by the
scientific community." That is not true unless it is assumed
that the many highly trained physicians who administer
chelation therapy are not scientific. He engages in
name-calling. Doctors who disagree with Saul Green are called
unscientific. Various segments of the medical community join
together in professional associations with the goal of
protecting their turf and maintaining a monopoly in their
field as much as possible. It is not justified for one such
group to state that other medical scientists who disagree are
"unscientific." This merely represents a disagreement between
experts, between differing factions of the medical
profession-a common occurrence in any profession. Emerging,
complimentary and alternative therapies often confront that
type of bias.

Saul Green writes that at least fifteen different reports
document that EDTA did not benefit patients. That is not true!
For the most part, he cites letters to the editor, which
report an occasional treatment failure. No therapy is 100%
effective and treatment failures do occur with EDTA. However,
more than 85% of patients have been helped. These anecdotal
reports of treatment failures are used by critics, but
anecdotal reports of treatment success are rejected by
critics. This represents more evidence of the double standard.
Saul Green also misrepresents the the unscientific studies
previously mentioned as documenting that EDTA chelation does
not work, Chelation Critics Deceive the Public.

Arteriograms before and after treatment are demanded by
critics to prove benefit from chelation therapy. It is not
possible, however, to accurately measure decreases in
atherosclerotic plaque unless the diameter of the artery is
increased by approximately 25%. In the presence of turbulent
blood flow past plaques, it requires only a 10% increase in
arterial diameter to double the flow of blood (Poiseuille's
Law of hemodynamics as can be found in any textbook of medical
physiology or biophysics). As proven in studies, arteriograms
and ultrasound are not sensitive enough to consistently
measure changes of less than 25% in the diameter of a blood
vessel. Increases much less than that can greatly relieve or
totally eliminate symptoms, and are not detectable on
arteriograms. Studies which measure heart and organ function
and total blood flow consistently prove that EDTA chelation
therapy is highly beneficial.

If patients improve their physical endurance, if exercise
tolerance increases and if symptoms improve, that provides
good scientific evidence of benefit. If measurements of
walking distance on a treadmill with an uphill incline
consistently increase after treatment and with statistical
significance, that is valid scientific proof of benefit.
Angiograms are not sensitive enough to measure even a doubling
in blood flow. Angiograms are marketing tools frequently used
to justify bypass surgery and balloon angioplasty; however,
angiograms cannot show increases in arterial diameter that can
increase blood flow by 200% or more. They do, however, show
the surgeons where to cut and are necessary to place a balloon
or stent in angioplasty. And sometimes those procedures are
necessary.

Saul Green is in error when he states that the Curt Diehm
study in Germany did not show benefit. The raw data from that
study has been analyzed by medical school professors in the
United States and found to be highly positive, as documented
in detail on the following webpage: Critique of the Heidelberg
Study. Patients who received EDTA increased their walking
distance by an average of 400%, compared to 60% increase in
the control group patients, who received an active drug, not a
placebo. The manufacturer of the control drug funded the study
and reserved the right to manipulate and report the data in
their own way. Patients who responded best were eliminated
from the final data. Final results were measured immediately,
3 months before full improvement from EDTA could be expected.
Analysis of raw data from that study proves that EDTA
chelation therapy was highly effective in treating arterial
blockage in the legs.

The adverse side effects described by Saul Green were reported
many years ago when massive doses of EDTA were infused in a
very short time. Any medicine given in overdose can cause
harm. There are no documented reports of harm when EDTA has
been administered using the currently approved protocol. In
rare reports of adverse side-effects, the current protocol was
not followed. Even when administered improperly, 10 deaths in
a million patients indicates that chelation is infinitely
safer than surgery or balloon angioplasty, which result in
death from complications in approximately 3 out of every
hundred patients treated.

Fifty thousand people die in automobile accidents every year
and another 200,000 are seriously injured. I tell my patients
that the drive to the clinic in an automobile to get chelation
therapy is statistically far more dangerous that the chelation
they receive after they arrive. More than 8,000 deaths and
200,000 hospitalizations each year result from complications
of ibuprofen, naproxen, aspirin and other widely accepted pain
remedies, many of which are available without prescription.
EDTA chelation therapy is infinitely safer than even those
treatments. Critics of chelation therapy never put things in
proper perspective.

Saul Green goes on to speculate about a number of theoretical
reasons why chelation therapy might possibly be dangerous. He
completely ignores the amazing safety record of a million
patients who have received the therapy. The dangers of surgery
and angioplasty are well proven, not just theoretical?three
percent death rate and twenty percent or more serious but
non-fatal complications. It is not necessary to merely
speculate why invasive procedures might possibly cause harm.
Saul Green's statements about why chelation might be dangerous
have not been supported by more than 40 years of experience.

The Danish study mentioned by Saul Green was misrepresented
and proved nothing. It was actually a positive study and
showed benefit from chelation therapy.

Saul Green states that the FDA once had EDTA chelation on
their list of "Health Care Frauds." The FDA has long since
removed chelation therapy from that list, and for good reason.
Why did they do that?

In my opinion, it is a beneficial and highly cost
effective therapy.

BE SURE TO READ:

If EDTA Chelation Therapy is so Good, Why Is It Not More
Widely Accepted? by
NJ. James P. Carter, MD, DrPH

A Professor of Cardiology Critiques Bypass Surgery.

Chelation Critics Deceive the Public by Elmer M. Cranton, MD

ttp://www.life-enhancement.com/artic­le_template.asp?ID=166

PATIENTS CANCEL BYPASS SURGERIES AFTER EDTA TREATMENTS It is
common place for physicians to help heart disease patients who
have failed all the standard treatments to make remarkable -
even unbelievable - recoveries, once given EDTA. Many patients
on waiting lists for bypass surgery have found, after a series
of EDTA chelation treatments, that they did not need the
surgery. One particular study found that when 65 patients who
had been on the waiting list for bypass surgery for an average
of six months were treated with EDTA, the symptoms in 89% of
them improved so much that they canceled their surgery.3

http://www.healingdaily.com/or­al-chelation/oral-edta-chelat-
i­­­on.htm

EDTA removes toxic metals from the blood. Studies have shown
that as people age they continuously accumulate toxic metals:
lead, mercury, aluminum, iron, cadmium, and arsenic, among
others. The accrual of these toxins invites an increased risk
for various diseases, especially heart disease. The less of
these metals we have in our bodies, the more likely we are to
be physiologically healthy or simply feel good, and the lower
our risk for heart disease. Because EDTA is so effective at
removing unwanted metals and other minerals from the blood, it
has been the standard, FDA-approved treatment for lead,
mercury, aluminum, and cadmium poisoning for more than 50
years. EDTA normalizes the distribution of most metallic
elements in the body.

>
> Also, please help us follow the thread more easily by
> posting inline, not at the top. It shows respect for your
> fellow readers.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jeff

Just look who is giving advice.

>
>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:2vvOe.619$FW1.451@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>>
>>> "Pizza Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote in message news:112475-
>>> 3819.07fbd7db12114fbed1ee8095667f01c5@teranews...
>>> > Do you have any cites or sites to support your
>>> > ridiculous rantings?
>>>
>>> I don't have any "ridiculous rantings." However, I am able
>>> to support my position that chelation therapy is dangerous
>>> and useless:
>>>
>>> http://quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/chelatio-
>>> n.html
>>>
>>>
>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve-
>> &amp;db=PubMed&amp;list_uids=10874275&amp;dopt=Abstract
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>
>

[David Wrig]

In article
<1124923358.ca94bad1ec2e8907445897b731f1696f@teranews>, Pizza
Girl. <nos.pam@5.me> wrote:
>Please provide cites and referrences or other evidence that
>you are not just a troll or even a complete asshole.

You first. Based on previous evidence, you'll fail miserably.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If
you meet the Buddha on the net, put him in your
killfile." -- Anon.

>"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:9gNOe.926$FW1.796@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>> Please provide evdience that the Quackwatch page I
>> referenced is
>incorrect.
>> Or that article I from PubMed I also referenced.
>>
>> Also, please help us follow the thread more easily by
>> posting inline, not
>at
>> the top. It shows respect for your fellow readers.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> > "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:2-
>> > vvOe.619$FW1.451@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>> >>
>> >> "Pizza Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote in message news:1124-
>> >> 753819.07fbd7db12114fbed1ee8095667f01c5@teranews...
>> >> > Do you have any cites or sites to support your
>> >> > ridiculous rantings?
>> >>
>> >> I don't have any "ridiculous rantings." However, I am
>> >> able to support
>my
>> >> position that chelation therapy is dangerous and
>> >> useless:
>> >>
>> >> http://quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/chelation-
>> >> .html
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&a-
>mp;db=PubMed&amp;list_uids=10874275&amp;dopt=Abstract
>> >>
>> >> Jeff
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>

[Pizza Girl]

I have already presented my single case. I have more that I
have seen personally

And what have you presented and at which point in ths htread
did you decide to start trolling?

Tell us what ya' got?

Nothing?

"David Wright" <wright@l1000.prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:5D9Pe.1499$eQ.399@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
> In article
> <1124923358.ca94bad1ec2e8907445897b731f1696f@teranews>,
> Pizza Girl. <nos.pam@5.me> wrote:
> >Please provide cites and referrences or other evidence that
> >you are not just a troll or even a complete asshole.
>
> You first. Based on previous evidence, you'll fail
> miserably.
>
> -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
> opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If
> you meet the Buddha on the net, put him in your
> killfile." -- Anon.
>
>
> >"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:9gNOe.926$FW1.796@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> >> Please provide evdience that the Quackwatch page I
> >> referenced is
> >incorrect.
> >> Or that article I from PubMed I also referenced.
> >>
> >> Also, please help us follow the thread more easily by
> >> posting inline,
not
> >at
> >> the top. It shows respect for your fellow readers.
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >> > "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message news-
> >> > :2vvOe.619$FW1.451@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> >> >>
> >> >> "Pizza Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote in message news:11-
> >> >> 24753819.07fbd7db12114fbed1ee8095667f01c5@teranews...
> >> >> > Do you have any cites or sites to support your
> >> >> > ridiculous
rantings?
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't have any "ridiculous rantings." However, I am
> >> >> able to
support
> >my
> >> >> position that chelation therapy is dangerous and
> >> >> useless:
> >> >>
> >> >> http://quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/chelati-
> >> >> on.html
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
>
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&a-
>mp;db=PubMed&am
p;list_uids=10874275&amp;dopt=Abstract
> >> >>
> >> >> Jeff
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
>

[George Lag]

"Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <sbharris@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
> Now that you've given up milk, it's only natural that you
> should take to EDTA capsules with your food. There are some
> people who, when

Not only I have given up drinking cow's milk, I
also have given up GETTING strep throats; lung
congestion; and common colds.

> George. Sounds like you're well on the way. Pay no
> attention to the hip fractures. Take the EDTA in your
> wheelchair. Go for it.

Only need to eat green veggies.

[Pizza Girl]

George. You still sore about losing the dairy arguments?

tisk...tisk...

"Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <sbharris@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in message
news:1124833308.310443.178490@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> George Lagergren wrote:
> > Topic: EDTA
> >
> > "Pizza Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote:
> > > I didn't know it could be taken orally. Is it as
> > > effective?
> >
> > The health mailings say oral EDTA chelation
> > capsules are
effective.
> > Plus they have user comments about what the health
> > benefits that the
oral
> > EDTA capsules have proven to be.
>
>
> COMMENT:
>
> Well, then you'd better believe, them, hadn't you? (If you
> automatically believe everything you see in print, why don't
> you subscribe to the LANCET or something else which isn't
> full of misinformation?)
>
> Now that you've given up milk, it's only natural that you
> should take to EDTA capsules with your food. There are some
> people who, when presented with 4 possible correct choices,
> will still figure out how to make the 5th wrong one.
>
> Ommanipadme says her set of cremated ashes from a 200 lb
> person only weighs 5 pounds. Either they lost some (always a
> problem with mortuaries) or else whoever it was, was obese
> and thin-boned and/or skimping on calcium too.
>
> Perhaps YOU can shoot for having your cremains weigh only 3
> pounds, George. Sounds like you're well on the way. Pay no
> attention to the hip fractures. Take the EDTA in your
> wheelchair. Go for it.
>
> SBH

[Pizza Girl]

ooooops. wrong guy named....LOL

"Pizza Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote in message
news:1124923421.5ac3d23df2a06d4b1a372a7d419c9e16@teranews...
> George. You still sore about losing the dairy arguments?
>
> tisk...tisk...
>
> "Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <sbharris@ix.netcom.com>
> wrote in message news:1124833308.310443.178490@f14g2000cwb.-
> googlegroups.com...
> >
> > George Lagergren wrote:
> > > Topic: EDTA
> > >
> > > "Pizza Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote:
> > > > I didn't know it could be taken orally. Is it as
> > > > effective?
> > >
> > > The health mailings say oral EDTA chelation
> > > capsules are
> effective.
> > > Plus they have user comments about what the health
> > > benefits that the
> oral
> > > EDTA capsules have proven to be.
> >
> >
> > COMMENT:
> >
> > Well, then you'd better believe, them, hadn't you? (If you
> > automatically believe everything you see in print, why
> > don't you subscribe to the LANCET or something else which
> > isn't full of misinformation?)
> >
> > Now that you've given up milk, it's only natural that
> > you should take to EDTA capsules with your food. There
> > are some people who, when presented with 4 possible
> > correct choices, will still figure out how to make the
> > 5th wrong one.
> >
> > Ommanipadme says her set of cremated ashes from a 200 lb
> > person only weighs 5 pounds. Either they lost some (always
> > a problem with mortuaries) or else whoever it was, was
> > obese and thin-boned and/or skimping on calcium too.
> >
> > Perhaps YOU can shoot for having your cremains weigh only
> > 3 pounds, George. Sounds like you're well on the way. Pay
> > no attention to the hip fractures. Take the EDTA in your
> > wheelchair. Go for it.
> >
> > SBH
>

[Pizza Girl]

Please provide cites and referrences or other evidence that
you are not just a troll or even a complete asshole.

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9gNOe.926$FW1.796@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> Please provide evdience that the Quackwatch page I
> referenced is
incorrect.
> Or that article I from PubMed I also referenced.
>
> Also, please help us follow the thread more easily by
> posting inline, not
at
> the top. It shows respect for your fellow readers.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jeff
>
> > "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:2v-
> > vOe.619$FW1.451@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> >>
> >> "Pizza Girl." <nos.pam@5.me> wrote in message news:11247-
> >> 53819.07fbd7db12114fbed1ee8095667f01c5@teranews...
> >> > Do you have any cites or sites to support your
> >> > ridiculous rantings?
> >>
> >> I don't have any "ridiculous rantings." However, I am
> >> able to support
my
> >> position that chelation therapy is dangerous and useless:
> >>
> >> http://quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/chelation-
> >> .html
> >>
> >>
> >
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&am-
p;db=PubMed&amp;list_uids=10874275&amp;dopt=Abstract
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >>
> >
>