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eepobee
Sun, Aug-14-05, 09:31
By GINA KOLATA

TRANS fats. The term sends shudders down the spine. The fats show up in the worst foods - pies, doughnuts, cookies, chips. Some consumer groups call for them to be banned altogether. And on Wednesday, Dr. Thomas Frieden, the New York City health commissioner, comparing trans fats to toxic substances like asbestos or lead, asked restaurants to stop serving foods that contained them.

New York City "deserves a medal," said Michael Jacobson, director of the Center for Science in the Public Interest, an advocacy group that has warned against trans fats. "The evidence really indicates that there is nothing worse," he added. "Switching to butter, palm oil, anything else would be an improvement."

That, however, is not exactly the view of most scientists who have examined the data.

The National Academy of Sciences, the Department of Health and Human Services, the National Heart Lung and Blood Institute and the Food and Drug Administration have all come to the same conclusion: Trans fats are on a par with saturated fats, like butter or lard. Both increase cholesterol levels and most people would be better off if they ate less of all of them. Period.

"I call it the panic du jour," said Dr. David Kritchevsky of the trans fat fears. Dr. Kritchevsky is a dietary fat and cholesterol researcher at the Wistar Institute, an independent nonprofit research center in Philadelphia. Trans fat, he added, "is an easy whipping boy."

It is also an unsurprising one, said Paul Rozin, a psychology professor at the University of Pennsylvania who studies people's psychological relationships with the food they eat. While trans fat occurs naturally in foods like milk and meats, most trans fat in processed foods was created by chemically altering oils like corn oil, turning them into fats that add texture and stability. That means most trans fat is artificial, which causes many people to recoil.

"Food is one of the areas where people think to leave it alone is better," Professor Rozin says.

For heart disease researchers, however, the question is not whether a food is natural but whether eating it increases the risk of heart attacks. They agree that trans fat raises levels of LDL cholesterol, which increases the risk of heart disease. But, they said, it makes no sense to focus on it to the exclusion of saturated fat, since Americans eat four times as much saturated fat as trans fat.

"What's Public Enemy No. 1 with respect to cholesterol raising?" asked Dr. James Cleeman, coordinator of the National Cholesterol Education Program of the National Heart, Lung and Blood Institute. "From a dietary standpoint, it's saturated fat."

That message is also in the dietary guidelines issued by the Department of Health and Human Services, which reads: "Population-based studies of American diets show that intake of saturated fat is more excessive than intake of trans fat or cholesterol. Therefore it is most important for Americans to decrease their intake of saturated fat."

That may be, say trans fat's critics, but trans fat also slightly lowers levels of HDL, the so-called good cholesterol.

True, said Dr. Scott Grundy, director of the Center for Human Nutrition at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas, but "we don't know if that's harmful or not."

In fact, Dr. Grundy said, low fat diets also reduce levels of HDL, and they lower it much more than trans fat. "I think the dietary reduction of HDL is kind of in limbo," he said. "We don't know what it means and I wouldn't overplay it."

Some studies of populations have shown what appear to be weak associations between consumption of trans fat and increased risk of heart disease, independent of the amount of saturated fat in the diet. But Dr. Grundy and others said the association is not strong enough to serve as the basis for a public recommendation.

As for New York restaurants, Dr. Cleeman advised them not to substitute saturated fat for trans fat. "That's not a help," he said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/14/weekinreview/14kola.html

TBoneMitch
Sun, Aug-14-05, 10:13
Scott Grundy is one of the architects of the lipid hypothesis, so don't expect him to endorse sat fats or to agree that trans fats are bad.

He and his associates were responsible for their widespread use in the food supply. He will never admit that this could have been harmful.

Dodger
Sun, Aug-14-05, 10:53
By carefully selecting the scientists that you quote, you can write an article that sounds convincing on either side of a controversy.

Mandra
Sun, Aug-14-05, 11:18
low fat diets also reduce levels of HDL, and they lower it much more than trans fat


Sounds like a good reason to stay away from a low fat diet.

Groggy60
Mon, Aug-15-05, 11:13
"I think the dietary reduction of HDL is kind of in limbo," he said. "We don't know what it means and I wouldn't overplay it."

So if he can say that, why is the same not true of raising LDL. My understanding is that the ratio is all important so, raising LDLD and lowing HDL is about as bad as it gets.

tom sawyer
Mon, Aug-15-05, 14:23
I tend to agree that trans fats are the panic du jour. Not because of the people quoted in the article though. Mostly just because ANY dietary research is being done on a background of a high carb diet, which makes ANY fat appear to have far more negative effects than if studied as part of a natural (aka low carb) diet. Heck, water probably has negative consequences as part of a high carb diet.

cc48510
Mon, Aug-15-05, 16:49
Switching to butter, palm oil, anything else would be an improvement.

Can I get an Amén...For the longest time CSPI had been considering Trans and Saturated to be equally "bad". It appears they finally had enough sense to realize [Artificial] Trans-Fat is the worst thing you can eat. Unfortunately, I doubt they've changed their stance on Saturated Fats I personally use Coconut Oil (90%+ Saturated Fat), and to a lesser degree Palm Oil, Butter, Peanut Oil, and Olive Oil.

The National Academy of Sciences, the Department of Health and Human Services, the National Heart Lung and Blood Institute and the Food and Drug Administration have all come to the same conclusion: Trans fats are on a par with saturated fats, like butter or lard. Both increase cholesterol levels and most people would be better off if they ate less of all of them. Period.

That's interesting, would they care to explain how my --

Total Cholesterol [b]DROPPED 25 mg/dL,
LDL DROPPED 23 mg/dL,
Triglycerides DROPPED 41 mg/dL

...all while eating:

126g Fat (194% DV)
51g Saturated Fat (257% DV)
714mg Cholesterol (238% DV)
53g CHO (18% DV)
21g Fiber (83% DV)
179g Protein (359% DV)
...And [as close to] 0g of [Unnatural] Trans-Fat [as possible]...

While trans fat occurs naturally in foods like milk and meats, most trans fat in processed foods was created by chemically altering oils like corn oil, turning them into fats that add texture and stability. That means most trans fat is artificial, which causes many people to recoil.

The "Trans-Fat" in milk and meats is if I remember correctly, the only naturally occuring Trans-Fat: Conjugated Linoleic Acid (CLA), which has been demonstrated to actually have the exact opposite effect of its unnatural cousins: Partially Hydrogenated Oils. I wouldn't worry about the tiny amount in Hamburger or Butter, because that is in all likelyhood CLA. PH Oils OTOH are very bad for you...

For heart disease researchers, however, the question is not whether a food is natural but whether eating it increases the risk of heart attacks. They agree that trans fat raises levels of LDL cholesterol, which increases the risk of heart disease. But, they said, it makes no sense to focus on it to the exclusion of saturated fat, since Americans eat four times as much saturated fat as trans fat.

According to at least one study, even 1g/day of Trans-Fat substantially raises your risk of Cancer and Diabetes.

...That may be, say trans fat's critics, but trans fat also slightly lowers levels of HDL, the so-called good cholesterol.

True, said Dr. Scott Grundy, director of the Center for Human Nutrition at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas, but "we don't know if that's harmful or not."

Trans-Fat also raises Triglycerides, not mention the risk of Cancer and Diabetes, two of our largest killers. According to one study comparing Butter and Margarine, the LDL Subtypes raised by Butter (Saturated) were predominately the nonharmfull variety, while those raised by Margarine (Trans) were predominately the most harmfull kind.

They also seem to have conveniently forgetten (I have yet to see one Pro-LF article mention this, so it comes as no suprise) that Saturated Fat also RAISES HDL and has no effect on Triglycerides [in and of itself.]

In fact, Dr. Grundy said, low fat diets also reduce levels of HDL, and they lower it much more than trans fat. "I think the dietary reduction of HDL is kind of in limbo," he said. "We don't know what it means and I wouldn't overplay it."

Exactly, we have long known that LF Diets lower HDL, not to mention raise Triglycerides. My HDL (which was slightly low at my first test) went UP 7 mg/dL and my Triglycerides DOWN 41 mg/dL between AUG 2003 and MAR 2005. I started Atkins in DEC 2002.

Lisa N
Mon, Aug-15-05, 17:02
Some studies of populations have shown what appear to be weak associations between consumption of trans fat and increased risk of heart disease, independent of the amount of saturated fat in the diet. But Dr. Grundy and others said the association is not strong enough to serve as the basis for a public recommendation.

Why not? They've used that same 'weak association' to promote a low fat diet for decades and now they have a problem with making a recommendation on a 'weak association'? Gimme a break. :rolleyes:
Follow the money, folks. Who stands to lose large amounts of $$ if the powers that be come out in full force against partially hydrogenated oil consumption?

ItsTheWooo
Mon, Aug-15-05, 17:03
I've not seen any of the studies regarding trans fat being the barer of all manners of ill health, but I can't help but wonder...

Maybe part of the reason it is associated with all those diseases is because trans fat goes hand in hand with refined carbs? I know I use the "it's got transfat" excuse to stop myself from eating garbage fattening food all the time. :) It works like a charm, because anything that destroys sugar and packs on fat tends to be loaded with transfat anyway, with rare occasion. If it isn't good for your health and metabolism and weight, odds are it's teeming with transfat.

Because this is true, people who have the highest consumption rates of transfats likely are also consuming an enormous amount of starch and sugar products. TF correlates with diabetes & other diseases, perhaps not because it causes them, but because TF also correlates with terrible carby refined junk food.

Again perhaps I"m totally wrong, maybe the studies were done where diets were totally controlled save for transfat content... but still, I wonder. I don't doubt it's not a good food, but I have a hard time believing it's as unhealthy as people think it is. Most of the evidence against it is observational. They don't have any real understanding of why TF is bad, they just think it's horrible because of correlational studies. As I said earlier TF correlates with bad health, but huge portions of refined carbs (a blood sugar nightmare) correlate with TF. with Seeing as how a** backward they are on nutrition already, it's understandable how they could peg transfat as the culprit for the disease associations when the real culprit is, say, consuming a glut of ramen noodles and cheap pastries with outrageous junk carb count. They don't believe carbs are the problem so they aren't looking at the carbs... they're paying attention to the fats so they're only seeing trans fat, sat fat, etc. Sat fat doesn't strongly correlate with garbage food so associations are weak, unlike TF. Save for misguided LF dieters (a minority of the population) most of your TF consumption is coming from take out & boxed carbs & pastries. This might be why the association between TF and carb disease is rock solid, whereas with sat fat it's shaky (as it's less common for junk food to be made with real fats today).

Lisa N
Mon, Aug-15-05, 17:15
I've not seen any of the studies regarding trans fat being the barer of all manners of ill health, but I can't help but wonder...




Here's a few:

http://atkins.com/Archive/2002/6/21-900677.html
http://atkins.com/Archive/2002/1/11-396410.html
http://atkins.com/Archive/2002/4/24-105127.html
http://atkins.com/Archive/2002/6/25-498333.html

K Walt
Tue, Aug-16-05, 05:44
Thanks for the links, Lisa.

There seems to be a double-whammy going on, as Woo suggested.

The last study linked above clearly isolated the effects of the trans fats. The other three could also be explained (or confounded by) high intakes of the carby foods that are the MAIN source of transfats in the diet.

Best to stay away from transfats AND carby junk.

Note too, in the last link, Lisa, that oleic acid -- the main monounsaturate in olive oil -- raised Lpa more than saturated fat did.

Lisa N
Tue, Aug-16-05, 15:54
There seems to be a double-whammy going on, as Woo suggested.

This is just my own personal theory, but I believe it's more than just a 'double whammy'. As with many drugs, when you combine them the effect isn't always cumulative. Sometimes one potentiates the other making the combined effect far stronger (or worse) than what could be predicted. I think that when you add high GI to partially hydrogenated oils, something similar happens; high GI is not good by itself, high intakes of partially hydrogenated oils are not good by themselves. Put them together and the combination is far worse than could be predicted looking at the effects of each individually.
That being said, from what I've read about partially hydrogenated oils, I avoid them as a matter of practice and will not buy products that contain them.