Please Read! "Herbal Magic"

[146pounds]

Guys, I am a nursing student and we are out in the hospitals getting our clinical practise. I saw something today that you guys will not believe. I think that I can vouch for all the Canadian's and say that we, as ex-dieters have heard of the Herbal Magic diet, and may perhaps have seen the stores around in your area. Anyways, I am stationed in a heavy care unit and one of the patients on our floor was on it. The patient was admitted to the hospital 7 years ago when the diet they were on caused a stroke, later leading to severe brain damage, then decline, now vegetative state. I kid you not folks, and yes the Dr.'s and lab tests confirmed that it indeed was the cause of it. What happened was this persons potassium level was depleted and potassium is one of the important electrolytes in our body. I realise that we are on Atkin's, but I know of several friends that are on Herbal Magic, and I cannot stress enough this story. Those of you who do know of someone on this diet, please advise them to go to their dr. and get their blood and electrolytes tested. Or even advise them to take a potassium supplement. I would hate to see another of these cases. The patient was 33 years old when this happened. Be safe everyone!

[SuperJenna]

I've never heard of this diet. What is it?

[vbrowne]

OMG, that's terrible - I looked into that last year and thank god it so expensive I never gave it a shot! I'm so sorry for that patient.

Vikki

[vbrowne]

Here's the link http://www.herbalmagicsystems.com/

Vikki

[dpionk]

I never heard of this either, but just a reassurance that I don't want to take anything that promises me "instant" weightloss!

[cs_carver]

There's not much information on that site. Interesting that they have built the links about franchising before they have built the link for remedies. However, the little tangible information they have suggests that it's basically a low-cal plan with supplements, and that makes me wonder just where the potassium deficiency came from.

I don't know how quickly K+ deficiency can come on. I know with me, there are PLENTY of warning signs that I'm heading into trouble--signs I CAN'T ignore, like leg cramps.

Any eating plan will be dangerous if you ignore your own body's signals.

[Dodger]

I doubt the diet had anything to do with the womans stroke. Stroke is not linked to low potassium levels.

Low potassium can occur on any weight-loss plan and has many other causes.

[MissScruff]

What happens when a diet isn't followed properly? Aren't we then at risk of medical consequences? Like Atkins...and dropping carbs to as close to zero as possible, which means dropping the veggies! Or staying on induction for way too long?

[146pounds]

The whole point is do the research before you immerse yourself into it. I hope we all know that we should never drop the veggies, and zero carbs is just plain unacceptable.

As for the potassium depletion, the reason that it caused a stroke is because repolarization was not occuring in her motor neurons, causing her action potentials to be constantly excited. Basically if your nerves are constantly stimulated you get a twitching sensation (ie leg cramps with pain or a funny sensation). In this patient's case her depleted potassium caused extreme paristaltic movements in her nerves, added to the fact that potassium is a major electrolyte for heart and respiratoy function. This either caused a piece of plaque in her arteries (we all have a degree of plaque) or an air embolism to travel to her brain, hence the stroke.

Missscruff is correct in saying that certain people do not follow things as perscribed. I'm adding that people also do not research their diet before beginning it. I don't care what diet you follow, you have to listen to your body.

[ProfGumby]

"........please advise them to go to their dr. and get their blood and electrolytes tested......"

Anyone, any "diet" any WOE, check your health first and periodically with your doctor! get a complete checkup, and do a complete series with bloodwork, you know Lipid panels, glucose, electrolites liver and kidney function.....

"......Or even advise them to take a potassium supplement....."

Ehhhh, I would advise the doctor first, and a good multivitamin first before potassium. Yes the diet may deplete potassium levels, but what if the person is diabetic and doesn't know it? Too much potassium can be bad too, am I correct in that?

"........I don't care what diet you follow, you have to listen to your body."

YES, you are correct!!! LOL!! Seriously, if something doesn't feel quite right, see your doctor.

Thanks for the heads up! :thup:

[ProfGumby]

What happens when a diet isn't followed properly? Aren't we then at risk of medical consequences? Like Atkins...and dropping carbs to as close to zero as possible, which means dropping the veggies! Or staying on induction for way too long?

".......Like Atkins...and dropping carbs to as close to zero as possible.........."
Now see, this is something that has always worried me. Weight loss is only a part of the Atkins plan. The Lifestyle is a total plan for mind and body health and well being. If you read DANDR, Dr Atkins specifically adresses the issue of doing the diet as laid out and under a Doctor's watchful eye.

Modding any diet and not checking your health while doing so is verboten in my book. Risky business, that.

To date, the Atkins people and Dr. Atkins in his books have never found any reason to worry about staying on induction for long periods of time. But don't take my word for that, read it and decide for yourself.

[bsheets]

Is this what happened to Terri Shiavo?

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[Ayustar]

Yeah that is what happened to her, she had eating disorderes and it was going to happen to me, but I went on the board here and read about the potassium and things like that. It helped me so much because I had no idea. I take potassium everyday! Of course, I mean, this might not be the whole issue with the person mentioned above. Electrolytes and potassium are extremely important.

But that really sucks and I know about Herbal Magic, I always make fun of it because it always seemed like such BS, and now I know to completely shun it when ever I walk by one of the shops.

[Whammy]

I've not heard of this either. Maybe it's the next multi-level diet to reach us; thanks for the post.

[cs_carver]

What I'm not seeing in this thread is the direct connection between the diet itself and the potassium depletion. In the minimal information in the diet's website, vegetables are listed. Most vegetables contain potassium; that's where we get it. When we're low on almost anything, our bodies become super efficient at taking in what they need from what we eat. So what was the patient doing / eating / whatever to so seriously delete potassium, and then ignore the warning symptoms, that the stroke followed?

I live in the US South, without air conditioning, and sweat a lot. I lose potassium all day long. Believe me, the warning signals are not something I can ignore to the point of stroke.

Any severe vomiting or diarrhea will disrupt electrolyte levels, true. And then, with disrupted electrolytes, one becomes cloudy (at best) or flat-out confused, and may not recognize the problem. Does the diet recommend purging?

[bsheets]

What I'm not seeing in this thread is the direct connection between the diet itself and the potassium depletion. In the minimal information in the diet's website, vegetables are listed. Most vegetables contain potassium; that's where we get it. When we're low on almost anything, our bodies become super efficient at taking in what they need from what we eat. So what was the patient doing / eating / whatever to so seriously delete potassium, and then ignore the warning symptoms, that the stroke followed?

Well I wont pretend to be an expert - I actually know very little about potassium depletion and wouldn't know symptoms if they hit me in the head. I've never been informed and have never done the research. Having said that, a few years ago at my 21st a friend of mine collapsed and had to be taken to the hospital. Turns out he was extremely low on potassium. He isn't a junkfood junkie and doesn't have an eating disorder .. turns out he was simply eating the wrong balance of foods.

Who knows, maybe some people are more prone than others?

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[kaysu]

does anyone know the recommended daily allowance for potassium?

[Dodger]

The RDA for potassium is 3.5 grams (3500 mg).