Does high starch diet only work for Asians?

[whyisthis]

I realize that low carb works but what is the view on high
starch diets adopted by oriental people (living in the far
east). Yes, I know they dont eat as much sugar.

Chinese and Japanese have always adopted a high starch diet.
They can eat (and do eat) rice/noodles 3 times a day.

Do people think its in the genese? I was talking about
high starch diet with some people over here (no asians)
and they made it seem like we have a different metabolism
because of our race.

[Mirek Fidl]

whyisthis@myself.com wrote:
> I realize that low carb works but what is the view on high
> starch diets adopted by oriental people (living in the far
> east). Yes, I know they dont eat as much sugar.
>
> Chinese and Japanese have always adopted a high starch diet.
> They can eat (and do eat) rice/noodles 3 times a day.
>
> Do people think its in the genese? I was talking about high
> starch diet with some people over here (no asians) and they
> made it seem like we have a different metabolism because of
> our race.
>

I guess it is not unlikely. Did you know that Japanesse have
the highest tobacco consumption in the world and
unproportionally low incidence of lung cancer?

Moreover, Japs may have highest live expectancy in the world,
but if you look at caucasians, it is France and Switzerland.
And if there something that French eat with any meal (3 times
a day), it is full-fat cheese :)

Mirek

[whyisthis]

Thanks for the post.

Yeah that's true, although its changing tabacco consumption
is/was pritty damm high in some Asian countries.

> I guess it is not unlikely. Did you know that Japanesse have
> the highest tobacco consumption in the world and
> unproportionally low incidence of lung cancer?
>
> Moreover, Japs may have highest live expectancy in the
> world, but if you look at caucasians, it is France and
> Switzerland. And if there something that French eat with any
> meal (3 times a day), it is full-fat cheese :)
>
> Mirek

[nospam]

On 6 Jul 2005 11:37:08 -0700, whyisthis@myself.com wrote:

>I realize that low carb works but what is the view on high
>starch diets adopted by oriental people (living in the far
>east). Yes, I know they dont eat as much sugar.
>
>Chinese and Japanese have always adopted a high starch diet.
>They can eat (and do eat) rice/noodles 3 times a day.
>
>Do people think its in the genese? I was talking about high
>starch diet with some people over here (no asians) and they
>made it seem like we have a different metabolism because of
>our race.

We eat a lot of wheat as bread and cereal. I would call
that starch.

Ora

[Enrico C]

On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 21:59:39 +0200, Mirek Fidler wrote in
<news:3j2rh7Fo60iiU1@individual.net> on sci.med.nutrition :

> whyisthis@myself.com wrote:
>> I realize that low carb works but what is the view on high
>> starch diets adopted by oriental people (living in the far
>> east). Yes, I know they dont eat as much sugar.
>>
>> Chinese and Japanese have always adopted a high starch
>> diet. They can eat (and do eat) rice/noodles 3 times a day.
>>
>> Do people think its in the genese? I was talking about high
>> starch diet with some people over here (no asians) and they
>> made it seem like we have a different metabolism because of
>> our race.
>>
>
> I guess it is not unlikely. Did you know that Japanesse have
> the highest tobacco consumption in the world and
> unproportionally low incidence of lung cancer?
>
> Moreover, Japs may have highest live expectancy in the
> world, but if you look at caucasians, it is France and
> Switzerland. And if there something that French eat with any
> meal (3 times a day), it is full-fat cheese :)
>
> Mirek

Here is the *healthy* life expectancy at birth, in years.

Japan 75.0 San Marino 73.4 Sweden 73.3 Switzerland 73.2 Monaco
72.9 Iceland 72.8 Italy 72.7 Australia 72.6 Spain 72.6 Andorra
72.2 Canada 72.0 France 72.0 Norway 72.0 Germany 71.8
Luxembourg 71.5 Austria 71.4 Israel 71.4 Netherlands 71.2
Belgium 71.1 Finland 71.1 Greece 71.0 Malta 71.0 New Zealand
70.8 United Kingdom 70.6 Singapore 70.1 Denmark 69.8 Ireland
69.8 Slovenia 69.5 United States of America 69.3 [...]

Source: WHO http://www3.who.int/whosis/core/core_select_proce-
ss.cfm?language=english&fixed=country&strISO3_select=AFG,ALB,-
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,DNK,DJI,DMA,DOM,ECU,EGY,SLV,GNQ,ERI,EST,ETH,FJI,FIN,FRA,GAB,-
GMB,GEO,DEU,GHA,GRC,GRD,GTM,GIN,GNB,GUY,HTI,HND,HUN,ISL,IND,I-
DN,IRN,IRQ,IRL,ISR,ITA,JAM,JPN,JOR,KAZ,KEN,KIR,KWT,KGZ,LAO,LV-
A,LBN,LSO,LBR,LBY,LTU,LUX,MDG,MWI,MYS,MDV,MLI,MLT,MHL,MRT,MUS-
,MEX,FSM,MCO,MNG,MAR,MOZ,MMR,NAM,NRU,NPL,NLD,NZL,NIC,NER,NGA,-
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K,SVN,SLB,SOM,ZAF,ESP,LKA,SDN,SUR,SWZ,SWE,CHE,SYR,TJK,THA,MKD-
,TLS,TGO,TON,TTO,TUN,TUR,TKM,TUV,UGA,UKR,ARE,GBR,TZA,USA,URY,-
UZB,VUT,VEN,VNM,YEM,ZMB,ZWE&strIndicator_select=HALE0Both&int-
Year_select=2002

[Pizza Girl]

Light and white cheese. No long aged cheeses.

"Enrico C" <use_replyto_address@despammed.com> wrote in
message news:1vyyit1x80tqm.dlg@news.lillathedog.net...
> On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 21:59:39 +0200, Mirek Fidler wrote in
> <news:3j2rh7Fo60iiU1@individual.net> on sci.med.nutrition :
>
> > whyisthis@myself.com wrote:
> >> I realize that low carb works but what is the view on
> >> high starch diets adopted by oriental people (living in
> >> the far east). Yes, I know they dont eat as much sugar.
> >>
> >> Chinese and Japanese have always adopted a high
> >> starch diet. They can eat (and do eat) rice/noodles 3
> >> times a day.
> >>
> >> Do people think its in the genese? I was talking about
> >> high starch diet with some people over here (no asians)
> >> and they made it seem like we have a different metabolism
> >> because of our race.
> >>
> >
> > I guess it is not unlikely. Did you know that Japanesse
> > have the highest tobacco consumption in the world and
> > unproportionally low incidence of lung cancer?
> >
> > Moreover, Japs may have highest live expectancy in the
> > world, but if you look at caucasians, it is France and
> > Switzerland. And if there something that French eat with
> > any meal (3 times a day), it is full-fat cheese :)
> >
> > Mirek
>
>
> Here is the *healthy* life expectancy at birth, in years.
>
>
> Japan 75.0 San Marino 73.4 Sweden 73.3 Switzerland 73.2
> Monaco 72.9 Iceland 72.8 Italy 72.7 Australia 72.6 Spain
> 72.6 Andorra 72.2 Canada 72.0 France 72.0 Norway 72.0
> Germany 71.8 Luxembourg 71.5 Austria 71.4 Israel 71.4
> Netherlands 71.2 Belgium 71.1 Finland 71.1 Greece 71.0 Malta
> 71.0 New Zealand 70.8 United Kingdom 70.6 Singapore 70.1
> Denmark 69.8 Ireland 69.8 Slovenia 69.5 United States of
> America 69.3 [...]
>
>
> Source: WHO
>
http://www3.who.int/whosis/core/core_select_process.cfm?langu-
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SLB,SOM,ZAF,ESP,LKA,SDN,SUR,SWZ,SW E,CHE,SYR,TJK,THA,MKD,TLS,-
TGO,TON,TTO,TUN,TUR,TKM,TUV,UGA,UKR,ARE,GBR,TZA,US A,URY,UZB,-
VUT,VEN,VNM,YEM,ZMB,ZWE&strIndicator_select=HALE0Both&intYear-
_sele ct=2002

[Mirek Fidl]

> Light and white cheese. No long aged cheeses.

How do you know it? Been in France?

Mirek

[Susan]

x-no-archive: yes

whyisthis@myself.com wrote:
> I realize that low carb works but what is the view on high
> starch diets adopted by oriental people (living in the far
> east). Yes, I know they dont eat as much sugar.
>
> Chinese and Japanese have always adopted a high starch diet.
> They can eat (and do eat) rice/noodles 3 times a day.
>
> Do people think its in the genese? I was talking about high
> starch diet with some people over here (no asians) and they
> made it seem like we have a different metabolism because of
> our race.
>

According to the WHO, cardiovascular disease is one of the
leading causes of mortality in south east Asia, while in China
(despite the low prevalence of heart attack in Beijing) there
is a high prevalence of heart disease and an extremely high
mortality rate from stroke. Over a quarter (27.4%) of all
deaths in China are due to cardiovascular disease.

Susan

[Roger Rabb]

Another myth bites the dust? :o.

rr

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 11:59:06 -0400, Susan
<nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:

>x-no-archive: yes
>
>whyisthis@myself.com wrote:
>> I realize that low carb works but what is the view on high
>> starch diets adopted by oriental people (living in the far
>> east). Yes, I know they dont eat as much sugar.
>>
>> Chinese and Japanese have always adopted a high starch
>> diet. They can eat (and do eat) rice/noodles 3 times a day.
>>
>> Do people think its in the genese? I was talking about high
>> starch diet with some people over here (no asians) and they
>> made it seem like we have a different metabolism because of
>> our race.
>>
>
>According to the WHO, cardiovascular disease is one of the
>leading causes of mortality in south east Asia, while in
>China (despite the low prevalence of heart attack in Beijing)
>there is a high prevalence of heart disease and an extremely
>high mortality rate from stroke. Over a quarter (27.4%) of
>all deaths in China are due to cardiovascular disease.
>
>Susan

[whyisthis]

I understand that pasta and bread is the main source of starch
but the proportion of pasta and bread in a given meal seems
less compared to asia.

In asia, if you eat out, you get a mountain of rice with a
little bit of meat and vegetable. In the US it seems like you
get a lot more meat with any bread, pasta dish you eat. The
pizza for instance are alot more greasy over in the US
compared to say, Japan. There seems to be
1.5x or 2x the amount of cheese.

Off topic, but you can't get McDonald Quarter Pounder in Japan
(although they recently had a promotion, i heard). As you know
a quarter pounder has alot more meat per bun. There's a Big
Macs though.

Roger Rabbit wrote:
> Another myth bites the dust? :o.
>
> rr
>
>
> On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 11:59:06 -0400, Susan
> <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:
>
> >x-no-archive: yes
> >
> >whyisthis@myself.com wrote:
> >> I realize that low carb works but what is the view on
> >> high starch diets adopted by oriental people (living in
> >> the far east). Yes, I know they dont eat as much sugar.
> >>
> >> Chinese and Japanese have always adopted a high
> >> starch diet. They can eat (and do eat) rice/noodles 3
> >> times a day.
> >>
> >> Do people think its in the genese? I was talking about
> >> high starch diet with some people over here (no asians)
> >> and they made it seem like we have a different metabolism
> >> because of our race.
> >>
> >
> >According to the WHO, cardiovascular disease is one of the
> >leading causes of mortality in south east Asia, while in
> >China (despite the low prevalence of heart attack in
> >Beijing) there is a high prevalence of heart disease and an
> >extremely high mortality rate from stroke. Over a quarter
> >(27.4%) of all deaths in China are due to cardiovascular
> >disease.
> >
> >Susan

[nospam]

On 7 Jul 2005 18:55:17 -0700, whyisthis@myself.com wrote:

>I understand that pasta and bread is the main source of
>starch but the proportion of pasta and bread in a given meal
>seems less compared to asia.
>
>In asia, if you eat out, you get a mountain of rice with a
>little bit of meat and vegetable. In the US it seems like you
>get a lot more meat with any bread, pasta dish you eat. The
>pizza for instance are alot more greasy over in the US
>compared to say, Japan. There seems to be
>1.5x or 2x the amount of cheese.
>
>Off topic, but you can't get McDonald Quarter Pounder in
>Japan (although they recently had a promotion, i heard). As
>you know a quarter pounder has alot more meat per bun.
>There's a Big Macs though.
>
>Roger Rabbit wrote:
>> Another myth bites the dust? :o.
>>
>> rr
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 11:59:06 -0400, Susan
>> <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >x-no-archive: yes
>> >
>> >whyisthis@myself.com wrote:
>> >> I realize that low carb works but what is the view on
>> >> high starch diets adopted by oriental people (living in
>> >> the far east). Yes, I know they dont eat as much sugar.
>> >>
>> >> Chinese and Japanese have always adopted a high starch
>> >> diet. They can eat (and do eat) rice/noodles 3 times a
>> >> day.
>> >>
>> >> Do people think its in the genese? I was talking about
>> >> high starch diet with some people over here (no asians)
>> >> and they made it seem like we have a different
>> >> metabolism because of our race.
>> >>

True, but over there they first soak the rice and pour off the
water which contains much of the starch. Then they rinse it
and get rid of some more starch. When they finally cook it a
lot of the starch is gone along with a lot of the nutrients.

Ora

[Roger Rabb]

On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 03:21:18 GMT, nospam@aol.com wrote:

>On 7 Jul 2005 18:55:17 -0700, whyisthis@myself.com wrote:
>
>>I understand that pasta and bread is the main source of
>>starch but the proportion of pasta and bread in a given meal
>>seems less compared to asia.
>>
>>In asia, if you eat out, you get a mountain of rice with a
>>little bit of meat and vegetable. In the US it seems like
>>you get a lot more meat with any bread, pasta dish you eat.
>>The pizza for instance are alot more greasy over in the US
>>compared to say, Japan. There seems to be
>>1.5x or 2x the amount of cheese.
>>
>>Off topic, but you can't get McDonald Quarter Pounder in
>>Japan (although they recently had a promotion, i heard). As
>>you know a quarter pounder has alot more meat per bun.
>>There's a Big Macs though.
>>
>>Roger Rabbit wrote:
>>> Another myth bites the dust? :o.
>>>
>>> rr
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 11:59:06 -0400, Susan
>>> <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >x-no-archive: yes
>>> >
>>> >whyisthis@myself.com wrote:
>>> >> I realize that low carb works but what is the view on
>>> >> high starch diets adopted by oriental people (living in
>>> >> the far east). Yes, I know they dont eat as much sugar.
>>> >>
>>> >> Chinese and Japanese have always adopted a high starch
>>> >> diet. They can eat (and do eat) rice/noodles 3 times a
>>> >> day.
>>> >>
>>> >> Do people think its in the genese? I was talking about
>>> >> high starch diet with some people over here (no asians)
>>> >> and they made it seem like we have a different
>>> >> metabolism because of our race.
>>> >>
>
>True, but over there they first soak the rice and pour off
>the water which contains much of the starch. Then they rinse
>it and get rid of some more starch. When they finally cook it
>a lot of the starch is gone along with a lot of the
>nutrients.
>
>Ora

Still too high in carbohydrate for my liking. Unless you are
extremely active I wouldn't consume such a high-carb diet. I
believe our carbs should come in the form of vegetables and
also fruits but in moderation.

rr

[whyisthis]

I like veg and fruit carbs only if its in the whole form (not
juices) but is there a justification to say that you cant have
a healthy weight on a high starch diet based on rice, pasta,
bread etc? There's still more lean people then fat people in
asia who are on a rice based diet.

If its a gene issue, I guess there's a case for eating less
rice, pasta, bread etc. What is the obesity rate of asian
americans?

Yeah that's true they do wash off the rice but how much starch
starch can you actuallly rince off by washing rice? Can anyone
tell us, please?

Roger Rabbit wrote:

> >True, but over there they first soak the rice and pour off
> >the water which contains much of the starch. Then they
> >rinse it and get rid of some more starch. When they finally
> >cook it a lot of the starch is gone along with a lot of the
> >nutrients.
> >
> >Ora
>
> Still too high in carbohydrate for my liking. Unless you are
> extremely active I wouldn't consume such a high-carb diet. I
> believe our carbs should come in the form of vegetables and
> also fruits but in moderation.
>
> rr

[Pizza Girl]

French provinces in Canada

"Mirek Fidler" <cxl@volny.cz> wrote in message
news:3j4b60FnropmU1@individual.net...
> > Light and white cheese. No long aged cheeses.
>
> How do you know it? Been in France?
>
> Mirek

[Rbr]

On 10 Jul 2005 16:58:01 GMT, calypso47@voyager.net wrote:

>"Another myth bites the dust? :o."
>
>Regarding:
>
>"According to the WHO, cardiovascular disease is one of
>the leading
>> >causes of mortality in south east Asia, while in China
>> >(despite the low prevalence of heart attack in Beijing)
>> >there is a high prevalence of heart disease and an
>> >extremely high mortality rate from stroke. Over a quarter
>> >(27.4%) of all deaths in China are due to cardiovascular
>> >disease."
>
>This is valid only for current asian diets, not the
>traditional diet where carbohydrates made up 70 percent of
>the diet. If anything, they might eat fewer carbs now as they
>have increased intake of more fats and proteins closer to the
>US diet. The traditional diet areas of e. asia have one of
>the lowest risk levels for metabolic related diseases and one
>of the longer life spans, all with a very high carb diet much
>of which is of the refined variety,ie. white rice and noodles
>etc., as the majority of each meal.

True enough. Just as the people of the Mediterranean consumed
pasta made from refined flour. I think there were enough other
slow-digesting foods in their diets to counter the
high-glycemic effect of the pastas and breads they consumed.

RBR

[Enrico C]

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:11:14 -0400, RBR wrote in
<news:ths2d15rh4pbjmqanivpgakqq9o5herrkk@4ax.com> on
sci.med.nutrition :

> On 10 Jul 2005 16:58:01 GMT, calypso47@voyager.net wrote:
>
>>"Another myth bites the dust? :o."
>>
>>Regarding:
>>
>>"According to the WHO, cardiovascular disease is one of
>>the leading
>>> >causes of mortality in south east Asia, while in China
>>> >(despite the low prevalence of heart attack in Beijing)
>>> >there is a high prevalence of heart disease and an
>>> >extremely high mortality rate from stroke. Over a quarter
>>> >(27.4%) of all deaths in China are due to cardiovascular
>>> >disease."
>>
>>This is valid only for current asian diets, not the
>>traditional diet where carbohydrates made up 70 percent of
>>the diet. If anything, they might eat fewer carbs now as
>>they have increased intake of more fats and proteins closer
>>to the US diet. The traditional diet areas of e. asia have
>>one of the lowest risk levels for metabolic related diseases
>>and one of the longer life spans, all with a very high carb
>>diet much of which is of the refined variety,ie. white rice
>>and noodles etc., as the majority of each meal.
>
> True enough. Just as the people of the Mediterranean
> consumed pasta made from refined flour.

Pasta is usually made from durum wheat "semola" (semi-milled
semolina), not from flour.

> I think there were enough other slow-digesting foods in
> their diets to counter the high-glycemic effect of the
> pastas and breads they consumed.
>
> RBR

[Susan]

x-no-archive: yes

calypso47@voyager.net wrote:

> "According to the WHO, cardiovascular disease is one of
> the leading
>
>>>causes of mortality in south east Asia, while in China
>>>(despite the low prevalence of heart attack in Beijing)
>>>there is a high prevalence of heart disease and an
>>>extremely high mortality rate from stroke. Over a quarter
>>>(27.4%) of all deaths in China are due to cardiovascular
>>>disease."
>
>
> This is valid only for current asian diets, not the
> traditional diet where carbohydrates made up 70 percent of
> the diet. If anything, they might eat fewer carbs now as
> they have increased intake of more fats and proteins closer
> to the US diet. The traditional diet areas of e. asia have
> one of the lowest risk levels for metabolic related diseases
> and one of the longer life spans, all with a very high carb
> diet much of which is of the refined variety,ie. white rice
> and noodles etc., as the majority of each meal.

Not so, if you research it on Medline. Poor folks, eating a
lot of starch and noodles out of necessity, but not eating
westernized food in urban areas, are suffering from CVD too.

Those with access to fish, meat and more fresh veggies
fare better.

Susan

[Enrico C]

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:52:52 +0200, Enrico C wrote in
<news:sbichi9f08hn$.dlg@news.lillathedog.net> on
sci.med.nutrition :

>> True enough. Just as the people of the Mediterranean
>> consumed pasta made from refined flour.
>
> Pasta is usually made from durum wheat "semola" (semi-milled
> semolina), not from flour.

http://www.wheatfoods.org/faqs/index.asp What is semolina and
how does it differ from durum flour? Semolina is the coarsely
ground endosperm of durum wheat. High in protein, it is used
to make the highest quality pasta. It is also used to make
couscous - a North African and Latin American dish which is
quickly becoming a staple in North America. Durum flour is a
by-product in the production of semolina and is used for
American noodles, some pastas and some specialty breads.

[Roger Rabb]

Quebec and New Brunswick aren't France.

rr

On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 22:28:19 -0400, "Pizza Girl."
<nos.pam@5.me> wrote:

>French provinces in Canada
>
>"Mirek Fidler" <cxl@volny.cz> wrote in message
>news:3j4b60FnropmU1@individual.net...
>> > Light and white cheese. No long aged cheeses.
>>
>> How do you know it? Been in France?
>>
>> Mirek

[Roger Rabb]

On 8 Jul 2005 16:41:59 -0700, whyisthis@myself.com wrote:

>I like veg and fruit carbs only if its in the whole form (not
>juices) but is there a justification to say that you cant
>have a healthy weight on a high starch diet based on rice,
>pasta, bread etc? There's still more lean people then fat
>people in asia who are on a rice based diet.

What is their activity level compared to the typical
American's?

>
>If its a gene issue, I guess there's a case for eating less
>rice, pasta, bread etc. What is the obesity rate of asian
>americans?

I don't think anyone believes its a gene issue. I don't know
what the obesity rate is for Asian Americans but they do not
fare as well as their fellow Asians living back home. Look no
further than the American diet and lifestyle.

>
>Yeah that's true they do wash off the rice but how much
>starch starch can you actuallly rince off by washing rice?
>Can anyone tell us, please?
>

When I eat rice I usually buy a low-starch basmati rice from
one of our local Indian food stores.

rr

[Veggiegirl]

whyisthis@myself.com wrote:
> I realize that low carb works but what is the view on high
> starch diets adopted by oriental people (living in the far
> east). Yes, I know they dont eat as much sugar.
>
> Chinese and Japanese have always adopted a high starch diet.
> They can eat (and do eat) rice/noodles 3 times a day.
>
> Do people think its in the genese? I was talking about high
> starch diet with some people over here (no asians) and they
> made it seem like we have a different metabolism because of
> our race.

Dr McDougall has great results with a low fat high starch
vegan diet. It cures all kinds of diseases, even diabetes:
http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2005star/050308starlogan.htm
There are a lot of success stories on
http://www.drmcdougall.com/stars/

I find it amazing, and would never recommend that diet myself,
but appearantly it does work for western people too.

veggiegirl.

[Outrider@D]

Thank you for this link.

Zee