changing from Atkins to CAD

[carina]

I found the cad book yesterday by accident and it was on sale!!

I have one question - who the hell wants to follow Atkins if you can follow CAD??????

I am so excited with this totally new way of eating - I am just not sure if it will work - it sounds to good to be true!!

I do not mind losing weight slowly (I have only about 10 pounds to lose

I would love to hear from people following this diet and their success stories

[Karen]

I have one question - who the hell wants to follow Atkins if you can follow CAD??????

1. People whose addiction to carbs is such that it would send them on a binge, even within the CAD guidelines.

2. People who would rather be free from the dubious value of white flour, sugar and refined carbohydrates.

3. People who would rather not spend time during the day dwelling on their reward meal.

4. People who would rather not use food as a reward.

There's probably a few more! ;)


Karen

[carina]

OK - I see your point!

i think I will give it a try anyhow and see what it dies for me!

I think my husband will also follow it easier than Atkins.

I will keep you up to date - we'll see what happens - maybe I'm back to Atkins in a month or two.

The one thing I know is that I never want to go back to eating the way I did since I was a teenager - I never stopped stuffing myself!

I think it is a complete miracle that I weigh what I weigh - with the eating habits I had I should have been at least 160pounds!

I think I always just known when to halt for a while -just to go back to old habits - I can promise you - never again!!

[Madihah1]

This is the second time around for me on CAD.
It does work!
I originally lost 20lbs on it in within 6-8 weeks.
I started eating my 1 carb meal a day (reward meal) but this soon became two meals or I'd extend my 1 hour eating time.

I think you really have to be in the right frame of mind to do it. I have to honestly say that I didn't get the craving for carbs throughout the day it was just bad eating habits reappearing.
If your like me and cannot give up your carbs totally and are serious about sticking to the one reward meal a day then give it a try.
The Heller's don't really emphasis the importance of drinking water but please try and drink loads of it with CAD, it has been my salvation.

Been on CAD 19 days lost 8lbs. Not as much first time around but I attend to stick with this for life.

Good luck

Madihah

[carina]

Thank you for the motivation - I had my fisrt reward meal in 8 weeks!

I overdid it completely - I had a McDonalds quarter pounder and cheese!! with fries

I feel like an alcoholic must feel getting drunk after months being sober! I will not overdo it again! I'll start with the salad and then have a balanced meal.

I oredered a digital scale this morning to track my weightloss better.

I bought the outdated book - The Addicted to carbohydrate diet
and only saw the new one on internet yesterday - I will see if I can find it here

I look forward to dinner - a salad with honey mustard sauce in stead of the mayo - i'm tired of mayo!! Maybe I won't even need anything else!

[EllieEats]

4. People who would rather not use food as a reward.

I think using food as a reward is what got a lot of us into this shape to begin with.

I did CAD about 5 or so yrs ago when I had about 10 or so lbs to loose. It did work but I was obsessed about what I would eat and not being bothered during MY HOUR...... it just didn't seem natural. And my food cravings never went away like they have with Atkins.

But different things work for different people.... so it won't hurt to give it a try!!
Good Luck with it!!
Ellie :wave:

[wawtigress]

what does cad and calp stand for?i/m interested in reading the book but don't know what to look for. wawtigress :hyper:

[Meeker]

I would recommend CALP, Carbohydrate Addict's Lifespan Program. It's by Dr.s Richard and Rachel Heller
CAD was written eariler and the newer information is very important.

[wawtigress]

I picked up both Cad/Calp at a used book store today and have been reading. I like the concept of more regular food. I'm thinking a bout trying for a week or so and see if i lose any more weight. It is difficult cooking two different meals a day.Wawtigress

[wawtigress]

I love the idea of this Cal/Calp diet . this is my 5th day and i have not gained a single lb back from the atkins. I was afraid I would with the change. I'm totally free of hunger even tho the carbs at the dinner meal. I started out with the compl.break. and lunch and decided yesterday to cut one out and go for brunch. I made the recipe of cauliflower pancakes with melted cheese on top and a slice of bacon.It was great. I would only recommend this meal if not going to be out all day. you need both protein meals then. For reward meal I had a large salad c dressing(you must eat this first) then I had a boneless chicken breast sauteed in butter and added greenbeans until tender with a blueberry muffin and for dessert diet jello with P.b cookies(both leftovers from atkins.by the time i finished the salad I could only eat about a tblsp. of each of the other items. This has been the way all week. I was unable to eat the whole meal. I use the Cad right now because of all the instructions and charts to guide you but i use the CALP for my reward meal guidelines to get a balanced meal.I'm weighing myself daily and charting . I made a weight chart from the one in book and made copies so no excuse for not keeping track.You do have to stay in control but it is worth reg.food.wawtigress

[wawtigress]

I lost 2lbs at the end of the first week on Cad and maintained it on the second day so i feel good. this makes a 12lb loss including the induction on atkins. I like this diet so much better. I can handle it .Wawtigress

[SAMTigress]

Great for you mom. Keep up the good work. Do what works for you, that's what really matters. Love you lots. God bless.

ME

:wave:

[kezza]

Hi Watigress,
I just switched from atkins to CALP.
It is only day two but no probs at all. :thup:

Yesterday I was doing CAD but I read some of the threads around this section of the low-carber forum and realized I needed to have more current info. :rolleyes:

Soooo...I sent my hubby out to find the CALP book at the library (Iwas painting a desk)...and ,bless him, he came back with the CALP Cookbook and Healthy Heart Book as well as the Lifespan.!!
Obviously I have a lot of reading to do. :daze:

So I was wondering how you are going.
Have you had any probs?
Have you got any advice for me?
Thanks in advance
kezza :wave:

[wawtigress]

Hi, glad to hear from you. I'm doing the Calp but using the charts and info also in CAd. I was on atkins induction and lost 10 lbs in a month but stopped losing and was going crazy cooking different meals for my husband and myself . It is difficult enough cooking for two people and i was having a terrible time with swelling from the salt . I switched and after the 6th day of the entry portion of CAD i had lost 3 lbs. but on Xmas day we went to a buffet and most of the food was carbs and I gained back two lbs. but it could be the salt again. not being able to control.But I love this way of eating , no more false food and having to prepare all the time ahead. I eat protein and veggies for break and lunch and then at dinner , I have a salad ,meat and carb. I try to choose only one carb. If I'm dying for a potato then I have it but not a roll and dessert also unless it is diet jello. mostly I choose a muffin for my starch. it gives me my carb and sweet.This being a breakfast or a cake muffin. you're only supposed to lose 1-2 lbs a week same as on atkins but with better food so I will stick with it and tweek it to fit my bodies needs. I have even thought that after a few weeks try atkins induction for a week or so and then back to CALPsince i didn't gainany weight lost back when i switched before .keep checking in, my daughter is also switching to Cad?CAlp.She is Samtigress. lots of luck. Wawtigress

[SAMTigress]

Hi mom --

I'm still hangin in there. I think I may have over done it last night, but I haven't gained any, so that's good. Tomorrow we're going to Mark's mom's for a get-together. This should be interesting, but Mark promises to keep me in line. :D

I wish I would hurry up and drop another pound or two. I've been stuck at this same weight for a week now. Its getting old. UGH!!

Keep up the good work you're doing and continue to share the knowledge. Love you...xoxoxo -- God bless.

:wave:

[Victoria]

Wawtigress and SAMTigress,
It's so cute to see you both on here. I'm glad you found a plan that you like. Will check in to see how it goes. Am interested in how this plan works...it sounds do-able. The book I read, "How I Gave Up My Low Fat Diet and Lost 40 Pounds!" by Dana Carpender listed this plan in her book also. Sometimes I use it's ideas if I know I am going out to dinner. You just have to make sure and plan ahead and watch your carbs in the breakfast and lunch---and not snack. I like having that flexibility. Fran McCullough's "Low-Carb Cookbook" suggests that it is better to eat the carbs in the morning, because your body can handle it better. So...I keep learning! Good to hear from you two and Kezza too. :daze: Victoria

[wawtigress]

I picked up both books and read . you are not to have carbs in the breakfast or lunch meal except for the green veggies. then at dinner you must eat the entire meal at one sitting including dessert in one hour or less. not one minute past. It has to do with the insulin your body produces.you'll lose about 1-2 lbs. a week ,the same as atkins after the induction. so I enjoy the one meal of anything i want under there guidelines and no artificial foods.You have to discipline yourself but I don't get hungry between meals and it is easy to follow. Just don't binge out.You'll really need to read the book to get the concept. And you need to weigh yourself everyday and record then average at end of week . this gives you an exact weight loss with the daily ups and downs . If all goes well at the end of Sunday and the 2 week entry period , I will have lost 2 lbs to go with the 10 from the 4 weeks on atkins with all the first few days and nothing afterward. so we'll see. Wawtigress

[dreamreh]

I've been on CAD for 6 months. I have lost a total of 65 pounds.
It works for me. Good luck.

[wawtigress]

Hi, glad to hear your on CAd and doing so well. Please let us hear from you . Would like to know what foods make up your meals ,etc.I'm starting to hear from other people on this diet and that's great. It sounds like you are doing a little different to have lost so much so fast, give us a hint.PLEASE.Wawtigress

[kezza]

It was good to get those replys.
I'm determined to do CALP properly untuil the end of January because how can I judge something if I haven't given it a fair chance?!!
Thanks for the encouragement, Wawtigress. :thup:
And WOW, dreamah...65 pounds in 6 months...that is inspiring!!
:roll: :roll: :roll:
I'm so glad this low-carb website has room for all different low-carb diets because it has made a big difference to me to have the emotional ( and humourous) support from like- minded people. Just because I have changed eating plans it does not mean anything. Everyone is just as supportive. YAY!
Hope everyone on CAD and CALP are going well and I'm looking forward to getting to know you all.
see ya
kezza :wave:

[wawtigress]

Hope everyone had a nice holiday and now ready for business of losing weight. I love this diet . I don't feel like I'm on one. It suits me perfectly and one I can live with for a long time.Keep up the good work and lets go. Wawtigress

[dreamreh]

wawtigress,
I have not done anything different than following the Heller's Carbohydrate Addict's Healthy Heart program. This is their most recent book. I also go out to dinner once a week and don't worry about having the correct portions. This has been working for me. The food I eat at home is pretty simple. Eggs, turkey burgers, chicken, fish, tuna, cauliflower, broccoli, asparagus, green beans, and lots of salad. My carbohydrates are usually potatoes, rice, or corn. I hope this helps. Good luck.
Dreamreh

[SAMTigress]

Dreamreh -- Hi. I'm WAWT's daughter. I've been doing Atkins since November 30th, and have recently been reading up on CAD. I've also been incorporating it into my diet -- my mom is sending me the books. I see from your info that your start weight and mine are exactly the same, as is your goal weight. Laying aside the fact that everyone is different, I was curious to know how long it has taken you to get where you are now -- 203?? I am currently at 247. I just thought it may give me a realistic veiwpoint of how long it may take to reach the 200 mark. Thanks for your input and happy LCing. God bless.

:wave:

[wawtigress]

Do you have dessert with your reward meal or just ocassionally. I try to have something each night so I don't feel deprived . so far no weight gains.Keep up the good work.Wawtigress :cheer:

[dreamreh]

Hi SAMT and WAWT,
I'll try to answer both of your questions at the same time. I very rarely eat desserts. Sweets were never my downfall. Give me fast food or junk food any day. The diet has pretty much eliminated my desire for those things. I have to admit that Christmas was a little hard. I did eat sweets that day. I knew I was going to do that ahead of time. I returned to my WOE the next day.

I began this WOE on June 26. I reached 203 at approx. 5 months into it. I have lost more and am about 195. I don't weigh that often. I was surprised how the weight kept coming off. It is really slowing down now though. Which is o.k. If you are wondering if I exercise the answer is NO. I know I need to start but that is one thing I keep putting off.
Talk to you later.
Dreamreh

[kezza]

Dreamah,
thanks for writing down some more details of you VERY SUCCESSFUL experience with CAD.
It is interesting that you don't have dessert much.
I wonder if that has sped up the weight loss.
Right now , I'm enjoying the desserts with my Reward Meal ...BUT I am finding I can hardly fit dessert in by the time I eat the correct amount of salad/ veges/ protein!! :rolleyes:
So I had thought that in a few weeks when the novelty of eating dessert has worn off I would probably only indulge a few times a week. (That's the plan at this stage!!)
Dreamah, you listed the things you eat.What do you usually eat for breakfast?
Great to hear you are losing weight too, wawtigress !!
see ya
kezza :wave:

[SAMTigress]

Hi everyone.

Thanks Dreamah, for the information. I really appreciate it. Your success is wonderful. Keep it up.

I need to work on a few things on my end to get my sweet tooth under control, but I can honestly say, "its not as bad as it use to be." I also need to finish reading the CAD books.

I would love to wake up 6 months from now and be where you are, but I'd settle for just being slimmer/lighter than I am right this moment. :D

Thanks again for the input. God bless.

:wave:

[wawtigress]

Good to see all of you are coming to the forum often. Helps to talk to others about our weight problems. I just left the atkins lcer and thought , It is so nice to eat regular food in place of mock danish ,etc. And to look forward to a few lbs a month lost and still eat good food. My portions are way down lately and I hope to eventually lose the sweet tooth but as long as I can lose and have dessert(small) then it is okay. That's why most of mine is in the form of muffins. That takes the place bread and serves as dessert. Also I still love sugar free jello and it is an nice end to a meal and the only artificial sweetner i have now.I'm down to 187 this am. and hope to keep it moving.Happy Weight Loss to all and talk to you later. :Party: Wawtigress

[dreamreh]

Hi Keeza,
My breakfast varies. Here are some examples: Scrambled eggs, turkey sausage, cucumbers or celery (this is usually my weekend breakfast)......Celery with either cream cheese or semi-soft cheese (Laughing Cow )........turkey burger (cooked on my George Foreman grill) with cheese and either cucumbers, celery. or leftover vegetables from the night before. As I said before, I like to keep it simple (it keeps me out of trouble..LOL)

I hope this will help.

Hi wawt,
Congratulations on your new weight. Keep it up.

Happy, healthy NEW YEAR to all of you.
dreamreh

[wawtigress]

I can't believe this is a diet.I'm enjoying it so much and it is easy NOT to Cheat.I stepped on the scales this am. for another l lb off.I pray when my daughter gets the books I sent her, she can twick her's and start with those steady weight losses.Have a great day.Wawtigress :roll:

[SAMTigress]

Hello and a fine good morning to all. I'm in such a good mood -- no, I didn't wake up 100 pounds lighter, I'm just in a good mood. It is suppose to snow tonight and tomorrow -- I can't wait -- I love the snow. :D

Anywhoo -- I hope you are all doing well. From what I know (via mom), I ate my meals as allowed by CAD yesterday and I was satisfied all day. I still am not showing a loss, but the scale didn't flucuate the way its done lately either. I'm happy. As soon as the books get here, I'll begin reading further. There's a package at the USPS, so Mark will pick it up on the way home from work this AM. This should be them. :roll:

Have a super day!!

:wave:

[kezza]

Hi everyone,
Just wanted to pop in and tell you how i went on my first week on Basic Plan of CALP.
Over the course of the week my weight went up and down, as the Heller's said it would and when I worked out the average weight for the week I was the same as the beginning!!! YAY!!
:D :D :D
Why am I so excited??? :q:
well, firstly, I ate alot of very yummy 'take-away ' during the last week (following the CALP Reward Meal guidelines though) :thup:
and...
secondly, it is nearly TOM and I always put on 3 to 6 pounds or more just before!!!

Then just when I was really happy about how CALP was going I weighed myself this morning and I was 119kg or 262.4 pounds.
That is two pounds lower than my average weight for last week!!
Yes, I know that my weight will go up and down this week too and I will wait until I can average it out over this week before changing my statistics....but I could'nt wait to tell you all that CALP is working for me too!!!
:roll: :roll: :roll:

Samtigress, i hope your CALP books arrived okay. All the best with the reading and the weight loss!

Dreamah, thanks again for all the info you have shared about your weight loss. I think you originally posted your success story on the SUCCESS STORIES section and it got moved to the CAD/ CALP section. I wonder if that is just because you were so modest and brief!! :)
Maybe, if you are not too shy,(and you want to) you could write an extensive version of your very exciting story. Include how you became overweight, how you found the CALP diet and how you lost the weight. If you were really brave you could include some before and after photos!!!!
Anyway if you did all that and posted it as a new thread in Success Stories i'm sure it would inspire lots of people ( and you would also get heaps of replys).

But please don't feel like I'm pushing you, I'm just very impressed and i think you deserve to take a public bow!
see ya,
kezza :wave:

[kezza]

I've noticed over the last few days a few people have lost weigh since they last wrote their statistics in their profile!! :thup:
(I think dreamah and wawtigress are at least 2 people).

PLEASE record your new weight in your profile so we can see at a glance how great you are going! :D

Just in case you don't know how to change your statistics, here is how to do it ...
1. Go to top of page and click on the 'profile' icon
2. when the next page opens click on the bit that says 'edit profile'
3. Up will pop all your details from when you joined up as a member of the low-carber forum
4. Alter anything you want, including your current weight
5. Scroll down to the bottom of your profile page and click on "Save Modifications'

and then go back to the main forum and if it has all worked out the next time you write a thread or reply your new weight will be with your details AND...the little man holing up the measuring tape will also be yelling out a larger percentage of weight lost!!!
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Very inspiring! :D
I hope it works!
see ya kezza

[dreamreh]

Keeza,
Thanks for your input. You are right, I don't like to put the spotlight on me. I really enjoy reading everyone else's success stories, but it is still hard for me to think of myself as a success story. I will consider writing about it. Thanks. You are doing great!! Keep it up. I have also updated my statistics.
Dreamreh

[kezza]

Dreamah,
if you really did want to write your success story but are way too shy to post the the before and after photos...you could cover your face on the photos. :exclm:
A few other people have done that in the success story section.
No-one seems to mind...only a few funny comments about mising heads! :rolleyes:
i noticed the updated statistics....WOW, they look good! :thup:
That little man holding up the measuring tape will soon be yelling out "70 % Weight loss for Dreamah!!!"

:cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:
The rate you are going it will be soon. Thanks for being so inspiring!
see ya
kezza :wave:

[SAMTigress]

Dreamah, I agree with Keeza -- you are doing great!! As for a faceless photo -- isn't that what happens to 9 out of 10 photos taken on this planet, or is that just a rumor. :lol:

Keep up the good work and happy LCing everyone.

God bless.

:wave:

[wawtigress]

two or three days ago I weighed 186. Then yesterday I was back up to 189, well , this am. I'm back to 186. So the reason they want that chart is very evident. I really enjoy this diet. I don't feel deprived.I think the reason they keep Moving us around is we're not exactly low carbers anymore with the Reward Meal.I haven't heard from any one except CAD people.Keep the news coming.If I can eat and lose weight (and I don't mean gorge myself,just eat real food)then I'm happy. I can wait for the time it takes to lose it.Wawtigress

[SAMTigress]

Hi mom (WAWT) and everyone. How's it going?

As for the other threads, post, etc. and being moved around because of CAD/CALP -- I think we are still LCing. Maybe not as drastically as the "Atkins only" LCer's, but we are LCing. Can you honestly say you are taking in as many or more carbs as you did prior to starting CAD/CALP or Atkins? If not, then you are LCing. If you're taking in less, then its LCing -- no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

Keep up the good work and don't let anyone make you feel or think you're not succeeding because you're not walking the same path they are. There's more than one way to do any one thing on this planet -- that's what makes it interesting and fun.

As long as you're losing pounds and inches, are healthy and happy -- that's what matters most.

Have a super day!! God bless.

:wave:

[wawtigress]

I'm still CAD/CALPing around. To eat good food and not gain weight but lose even in small increments is great. I'm still learning what works and what doesn't. I got some of the GTF chromium to take. I'm still using the art. sweetner but only in diet jello so I can have it with my lunch.This Sunday will be myi 4th week on the diet so I will have an idea when I average how much I've lost on this diet.Someone said somewhere that CADIS diet is a sight to go to to get info and that they have a support group. I went there but i haven't tried the support group yet. It sounded do intimidating with the rules and all. I did get a few REWARD menu examples. If anyone knows about this group please let us know.Wawtigress

[Cadence]

Hello everyone,

I lost 3 pounds as of this past Weds. since Jan 1 on CALP. I like this plan since it helps prevent me from getting the type 2 diabetes that runs in my family, and I can more easily get through the day if I know I can have a carb of my choice at my reward meal.

I have used the Yahoo group called "MyCAFriends" run by a friend of the Heller's. You're right WAWtigress, it is a bit intimidating to join. I find that I don't post there often, but if I do, the group are experts at answering any detailed question you might have that you can't find the answer to in the books. They also have a massive database of recipes you can look up. These recipes are for people on the Heller's plan, but are different than the recipes in the Heller's cookbook.

Good luck to everyone keep up the good work!

---Cady.

[ladybugvv]

I started this diet on Dec. 31, and have lost 6 pounds so far. I know I didn't gain three or four pounds a week (usually) before I started this WOL, so I am very happy losing 2-3 per week. Actually, I am ecstatic! :cheer: :cheer:

I don't obsess about my reward meal at all. It is easier to avoid temptation by telling myself I can have it later. And I only eat a tiny percentage of the junk I used to stuff myself with. I just think of it as dinner w/ dessert. Just don't look at my journal for this week. I need to improve the quality. This is not an excuse to call Domino's!

If the loss stops, I will change to Atkins, but for right now, I am okay. Fitday says I need to lose 1.5 pounds per week to reach my goal by 6/1, and I expect to be able to do so.

Anyway, I will keep doing this as long as it works. I have little willpower, and this is helping me grow stronger as I grow thinner... :)

[wawtigress]

This is so much easier to do than Atkins. I feel so much better and no swelling.I don' t feel deprived at all. And lots of time I don't eat all my food. Keep on Cading.Wawtigress

[animaldoc]

This is my second time on this WOE (as you can see by my stats I gained weight back!). It's not because of CAD, it was my crazy lifestyle! I kept the 25lbs I lost off for 2 years, and then I had a job that had VERY irregular working (and therefore eating) hours so all the bad habits came back! (If I haven't eaten all day, how much could pizza hurt me now?) Anyway, I have renewed my commitment to eating how I need to. I really like CAD and I never crave things, because you can always have them at dinner. I live with a very thin husband, so I like that we can eat a "normal" dinner together, whether it be take-out or dining out or cooked at home. I tried the spinach frittatas in the receipe section (without the cottage cheese) and they are great for breakfast, then lunch is usually a salad or leftover veggies from the night before's dinner. Dinner is anything (balanced of course). Don't feel bad about the occasional cheeseburger and fries....I followed the original CAD book that didn't require a salad or balanced meals the first time I tried this WOE and had great success anyway (I guess that works for some but not all).

Hang in there guys! Look forward to hearing more from y'all!
-animaldoc :wave:

[cogin]

Just reading through this thread and wanted to add my thoughts. First I also find this a way of living the I can handle. The reward meal is not an obsession but whatever we are having- though I do find we eat more beans, cabbage and broccoli and less corn.peas and carrots than before. Secondly,I like the fact that the reward meal can be any meal of my choice on any given day - no set pattern, so I always feel in control.It is my decision to eat the full meal or the craving reducing meal at breakfast, dinner or supper. I love the flexability! :daze:
Good luck to all you fellow CALPer's

[wawtigress]

Glad to hear so many others are doing this diet now. This is the only diet I've been able to stick to for any period of time. I also feel I can do this for as long as it takes and then do the maintenace.Keep sending the thoughts and info. I love to hear how each of you are doing. HAVE A HAPPY CADing DAY.Wawtigress :thup: :roll:

[SAMTigress]

Hi everyone --

I agree, CAD/CALP is a much easier plan to live with. I have a growing teenager who enjoys 'normal' food and a husband who could take it or leave it -- we all like 'normal' food. Being able to cook the same meal for everyone, then sit down and enjoy that same meal together makes life so much more enjoyable.

Its also easier on the grocery bill. Instead of buying "my food" then having to turn around and buy "thier" food -- it gets expensive -- I'm buying "our" food. Life is grand.

My family enjoys our meals much more -- especially since now I make a dessert (heavy or light) with each meal -- I'm not scared of "dessert" anymore.

Keep up the CALPing WOE and wonderful WOL!!

God bless.

:wave:

[1 Last Try]

Hi,
I've been following this thread for a bit now and am considering changing to CALP in the near future. Currently Im doing Atkins which some days leaves me VERY frustrated and knowing if I could eat just a piece of bread or maybe a small baked potato I would be ok. I also am not feeling to healthy and often nauseated from eating nothing but meat and drinking sooooooo much water so I figure any way I can make this seem more "normal" the better. I will keep watching you all and wish you each the best of luck and a double dose of best wishes to the tigress tag team ;)

[wawtigress]

I wouldn't want anyone to change because I'm doing this . We just know that so far it is working for the tigress tag team as you called us. There are also other people on this who are doing very well.I have felt much better since I changed to this way of eating.I don't have all the problems I had before.But if you change ,you must read the book and follow the way they say to eat . It is not an eating binge. CALP is the newer book so I would read it. It tells you about the insulin and why it works for you. Keep in touch. Wawtigress

[1 Last Try]

Hmmmmm...... not sure where I gave the impression that I felt it was an eating binge..... just thought maybe it was a bit more well rounded.

[Victoria]

Hi Wawtigress and all the others,
I don't think anyone thinks CAD or CALP is not low carbing. There are so many different ways to low carb represented in this forum. And the beauty of it is that everyone is accepted and encouraged even if you aren't doing it the same way as everyone else. I know alot of folks have questioned me because I eat low carb bread in the morning usually. But I think, if it works for you then keep enjoying it. I think the main thing is we are all changing our eating habits, and finding what works for us. So don't feel that you or anyone on CAD are being looked down on. I think there's enough room in this forum for different points of view. ;) Victoria

[wawtigress]

Eating binge was quoted from the book. It is difficult to cover everything in a short paragragh. If you try, I hope great success to you as so far I'm having. Keep in touch and let us know how you are doing no matter which plan you decide to use. Love to hear from you. Wawtigress

[SAMTigress]

Hi everyone and welcome 1LastTry.

I've been doing CAD/CALP for almost 4 weeks now, and besides a little tweaking here and there, I've been doing well and enjoying it. If all goes well, I'll have lost another 1.5 pounds by the weekend. :D

I wish you well with whatever you choose and please come back again. Let us know how things are going.

Have a super LCing day everyone. God bless.

Oh yea, I like the Tigress Tag-team -- cute. It suits us. :D

:wave:

[JoAnnAtkin]

I have been lurking around in the CAD/CALP forum to see if I can understand how people can lose on this WOE??? I have been on the Atkins, now for 3 weeks and have only lost 8 pounds. I am not hungry, but I am very bored with the foods!
I was on Atkins years ago, and lost much quicker. My mom and sister are doing the Atkins with me and they both are getting very tired of it already. So, before I let them QUIT completely, I am thinking of getting one or both of the CAD/CALP books.
I see the post that ya'll do lose on this WOE, but it is SO SURPRISING THAT IT IS POSSIBLE TO DO?????????? Especially, to people who do the strick Atkins and are losing very slowly! :(
ANY COMMENTS WOULD BE APPRECIATED ! :D
JO Ann in TEXAS :wave:

[SAMTigress]

Hi JoAnn. I started with Atkins on November 30th, after the 2-week induction I had lost about 8 pounds which isn't too bad. However, I too, was getting majorly bored with the food. I love most of the allowed foods, but it was still difficult finding variety. I don't eat pork or shellfish, so forget that -- and the pork rinds for snacking. And, soy flour and protein powder -- what on earth possessed anyone to create this stuff -- I'd rather eat raw liver...UGH!! Its like burnt cardboard dipped in axle grease -- plain gross.

Anywhoo -- I switched over to CAD/CALP almost four weeks ago and love it!! I stick with eggs, cheese, and meat (sometimes some veggies) for breakfast; at lunch its meat and a salad or meat and veggies, or just veggies or a salad...depending on what I'm in the mood for. Sometimes, I'll skip breakfast and lunch, opting for a nice brunch made up of a variety of the above -- properly proportioned. For dinner, I have what I want using the guidelines that the Hellers suggest -- including dessert. Whether its: cake, pie, ice cream, fruit, jell-o, pudding, fudge, cookies -- etc. etc. etc. I sometimes have a mug of hot cocoa early in the AM and a mug of hot tea during the day. For lunch and dinner, its usually iced tea -- occasionally a soda or wine...even juice.

I am much more satisfied and am not hungry at all. And, I don't 'crave' like I use to, because I know that if I want something, I just have to make the means for it. You can't go overboard -- yet, if you make an occasional 'boo-boo', its not the end of the world. It'll slow you down, but you can go on. Read the books, follow the suggestions, and enjoy. You may have to tweak things here and there as you go along, as you find things that slow you down: white bread or sugar subs for example. You'll only lose 1-2 pounds a week, give or take -- like Atkins after induction -- yet its easier to live with and fit into your life.

Good luck to you, your sister and your mom. Don't give up!! I pray this has helped you. Now -- go get the books and read. Oh, and don't switch unless its really what 'you' want to do -- not because of what I or others have said. Have a great day and God bless.

:wave:

P.S. I had to do some tweaking my first 2-weeks on CAD/CALP due to confusing it with Atkins -- I've lost about 2.5 pounds since I started CAD/CALP, plus what I lost during induction and in the interum of the two, for a total of almost 14 pounds since November 30th. I'm happy!!

[Tara44]

WOW!! Just 10 lbs to lose!! I envy you. I have 110 lbs to lose. This should be a very simple program for you. Just follow the book and don't cheat and you WILL lose your 10 lbs!

I started CAD 12 days ago and have lost 17 lbs!! I totally cut out my soda and quit eating dessert every night. I also cut out my chinese food which I was eating at least 2 x's a week. I've noticed the cravings for these foods went away starting with the second week. Don't get me wrong, when I see sweets or think about pasta, pizza or subs, I do want them, but not as bad. I can control myself now. I wouldn't have been able to pass up a dough nut or muffin or pizza 2 weeks ago, that I do know.

Best of luck to you!!!

[JoAnnAtkin]

..............Thank you so much for taking your time to explain how you switched from Atkins to CALP.
I can't wait to get the book from the Library. Someone had it out, naturally! :D
I am getting very frustrated with the ATkins. I have not cheated not even once. And the dang scales will go up 1-2 pounds every other day!! I don't get it?????
So, yes, I am ready to try something different. Heck if I am going to be gaining I might as well find a different trick! :D
My sister and mom are already tired of Atkins, also. We want something we know we can live with forever, not just for a few months.
I realize the CALP might be slower, but that is just the way it is, if you don't want to be BORED TO DEATH! Right?
I sure will let you know when I get the book and begin the CALP. OK?
Thanks again for your help!
Jo Ann in TEXAS :wave:

[SAMTigress]

Hi JoAnn -- You are very welcome. I don't know all the ends and outs, but I do my best. Your weight will fluctuate day to day, that's normal. However, when you weigh and average, per CAD/CALP, it will all make sense and work out for the best. It can be confusing, so feel free to ask questions. Myself or someone else would be happy to help where we can. My mom is WAWTigress, she got me started on both Atkins and CAD/CALP -- she's great. Good luck with your LCing. Also, my mom got our books from a used book store for only a few dollars each. It helps to have the book handy. You may want to check that option out.

Hi Tara -- Congrats on the 17 pounds, that's super. Keep up the good work.

Take care and God bless, everyone.

:wave:

[Cadence]

Just to let you know that there are people who cannot handle CALP or CAD at all. Since they are extremely addicted to carbs and tend to binge during the reward meal, they have to go back on Atkins. They would love to be able to do CALP or CAD, but they know that for them personally, the reward meal dessert or other type of carb would set them off on a binge. So to assure their success, they have to stick with Atkins.

[SAMTigress]

Hi everybody,

Hope you are all doing well. I am. 14 pounds since November 30th, and 2 pounds since December 23rd. Not as much as I'd like to see shed, but I'm content.

:cheer: :cheer: :cheer:

I started an on-line journal. Its listed under "SAMTigress' LCing Journey" -- feel free to take a peek.

Cadence -- Hi. I think everyone should use what's right for them. I just know that Atkins is difficult for me. I know that if I get too bored or frustrated with the 'plan' I'm not going to stick with it -- hence, the change. CALP, I can live with. If I run into a snag, all I have to do, is do Atkins for a week or so, till I'm out of it, then back I go. Everyone needs to choose what is best for them. Take care and good luck LCing.

Talk with you all later. Take care and have a great LCing weekend. God bless.

:wave:

[crg66]

I've only been doing CALP for a little over a week, but I found that after a few days I gained the same advantages as being on Atkins such as decreased appetite, more energy and decreased sugar cravings.

The big difference for me is the psychological aspects. When I'm in the grocery store, I don't have "forbidden foods" I can't buy and I know that I can eat whatever I want as long as I balance my meals. That is truly a new freedom for me!

Also, when I did go off the Atkin's WOE, or any other for that matter, I felt that since I blew it for the day I might as well eat everything that I wasn't allowed to and eat them in huge amounts such as chips. candy, pizza, etc.....

It's also easier to eat dinner with my family and at restaraunts. I eat LC breakfast and lunch at work (pack my own food as I normally would) and have my carbo meal for dinner....easy. I don't want to think of it as a "Reward Meal". I usually keep my carbos "clean" because I know it is healthier.

Carolyn

[wawtigress]

Hi, glad to see you're trying CAD/CALP.I have been on it for 5 weeks and lost 6 lbs. along with 10 from Atkins for a total lose of 16 lbs in 2 months. So I'm happy. Wish I hadn't wasted so much time on Atkins. I'm getting the hang of what to eat and when and this past week , instead of the 1/2 lb losses each week, I lost 2 lbs. So I hope I can keep it up to 1-2 lbs a week which is healthy loss to keep off. If not the 1/2 lb is good . The weight is still coming off. Hang in there . I find my appetite has gone way done . I can go from Brunch to Dinner with no problem.Have a great day. Wawtigress

[SAMTigress]

Welcome CRG66 -- I pray you enjoy LCing the CALP way. It does help a lot -- just watch the portions, starches and desserts.

I've been doing this WOE for 4-weeks now and I love it. I had a difficult time at first because I kept confusing it with Atkins, trying to do both at the same time -- it doesn't work. I had to remind myself I was doing something different -- that's why I think I haven't lost quite as much as I should/could have (~2-3 pounds). I've got a handle on things now, and besides a little tweaking to fit my needs, I'm doing great.

Good luck and check in ofter to let us know how you are doing. Start a journal, that way others can look to see what you've been doing and give advice.

Take care and happy LCing. God bless

:wave:

[JoAnnAtkin]

I am still doing the ATkins. Have been doing it for 26 days now. Only lost 8 pounds and keep creeping back up? I don't know why in the heck I would be gaining, when I am not cheating a bit.
I am most definitely getting frusrated with the Atkins, however, my thought is if I can't lose on the Atkins, I am scared to death I will really gain on the CALP.
Oh well, if that should happen..........it won't be the first time for me. I will just then, have to realize , maybe the low carb is not for my body type and I will have to switch back to the old low fat/low calorie way and begin losing but starving to death! LOL :D
I see people are losing on the CAD/CALP, so I am hoping I can do the same. I am waiting on my book from the library, so I will know the plan.
Jo Ann in TEXAS :wave:

[wawtigress]

I know what you mean about low fat. I think one of the reasons I was so slow on Atkins and Cad to start is I was low fat dieting and not losing anything. I think your body has to adjust when you go from one to the other . Now when I went from Atkins to CAd I followed as closely as possible to CAd and didn't gain any weight back at all and I was terrified I would. I just started losing slowly (about 1/2 lb a week for first two weeks and then it started being a little more.Just watch the portions and starches and desserts. If I have a potato,roll,corn,past etc. ,I will not have a cake ,pie type dessert. I will go with jello or pudding. When I don't have bread or the above, I may choose cake,pie etc. then.NOw i have had a small potato with my meal and a cake ,pie etc dessert and it didn't affect me but I don't go this route more than once aweek . Now you will lose 1/2 lb the other way but I prefer to tweak and do the above and go for the 1-2 lb a week loss. No more than this tho' so it will stay gone. Hope this helps. Wawtigress

[JoAnnAtkin]

Sounds like you have a good plan going. I will try to remember what you said you do. I can see it makes sense.........if you eat a potato or a really bad carb.........then do not add a desert to the reward meal. But, if I eat say my protein, and cabbage.............then I might have a small desert. Right?

Sounds like something I can live with. If only I will lose like this????????????????? :confused: :confused:

However, I won't know until I try!

Thanks so much for your help!
Jo Ann in TEXAS

[SAMTigress]

Hi everyone --

Sounds like some good info is floating around. Its easy to remember too:

Light to no carb meal = dessert of choice

Medium carb meal = a dessert on the lighter side

Heavy carb meal = no dessert or very light dessert

- The whole meal should be balanced and taken in moderation.

Good luck, JoAnn -- I wish you well.

Have a super day everyone -- God bless.

:wave:

[JoAnnAtkin]

Can anyone give me some examples of what a correct REWARD meal would be?????????? That sure would help me to figure this plan out a little better!

Thank you guys in ADVANCE! :o
Jo Ann in TEXAS :wave:

[Tara44]

Jo Ann

Sample reward meals:

Salad (1-2 cups) first
steak (protein) the size of the palm of your hand
potatoe,stuffing,applesauce,roll, (high carb) pick only one
brussell sprouts, brocolli, cauliflower, (low carb)
water, water, water

all reward meals must be equal portions...

Salad (1-2 cups)
Chicken breast (palm size)
pasta w/marinara sauce (palm size)
broccoli
water, water, water

Salad (1-2 cups)
Fish,steak, or chicken
low carb veggie
palm size dessert of your choice
water, water, water

*if you don't want low carb cooked veggies with every meal..I will have a buch of raw veggies after my salad with the left over dressing in my bowl...radishes,celery and cucumber....It helps me a lot...I get sick of cooked veggies!!

Hope this helps!!

Tara

[JoAnnAtkin]

That was so nice of you to post what a reward meal would look like. That gives me some idea of what to plan for.

I have not finished the CALP book nor the CAD book. Does either of those books really list reward meals for us? Just curious? :q:

Jo Ann in TEXAS :wave:

[Tara44]

Joann

Yes...if you keep reading the book, you will find all kinds of Proteins, low carbs, and high carbs...they also give some reciepe's. You can also go to their website and it gives many sample reward meals. Type in Carbohydrate addicts and it should take you to their web site...

Good luck

[Cadence]

Hello,

The best (but kinda formal) message group for people on the Heller's diet is at Yahoo groups and is called MyCAFriends. It's free to join. It is run by a friend of the Heller's. The people who belong to this group number nearly 1,000 and they have a convention every year, usually in Florida. Any questions you have will be answered very specifically by people who are experts at all the nuances. They have a massive database of all kinds of recipes. THe Heller's also have a cookbook out that was published very recently.

--- Cady.

[SAMTigress]

Thanks Cadence for the info. I'm sure everyone appreciates the info, I know I do. I'll have to check them out.

Good news this AM -- I stepped on the scales and it read 243 pounds. I haven't seen those numbers in forever -- I'm so happy. I'll know tomorrow how it affects my weekly average. Hopefully, the next week will contain numbers equal to or less than those 3.

Talk with you later. Have a great weekend. God bless.

:wave:

[wawtigress]

I've been on this diet for 6 weeks and lost 6 1/2 lbs. and eating good food. I am watching my meals so I don't overdo and making my reward meal normal portions not going back for seconds because if you do at the end of the line you'll gain it all back if you don't train yourself to eat normal portions. The GTF chromium tablets really help me (one of the Options on the plan). My appetite has really gone to far far away. I go from breakfast now until dinner without lunch and if i do want lunch I eat a small salad or piece of meat. ( read in an article one time that the reason people gain weight is when you read the nutrition label on a food and it tells you what a serving is and you eat more than that serving ,the excess will go to fat. Do that enough times and you gain weight) Anyway that's what works for me not necessarily what will work for other people. I just know that while I'm not feeling hunger , I'm going to take advantage to shrink my stomach so when I get to the end of the line I will not have the urge to overeat. Wawtigress