Atkins helps diabetes patients

[Tc]

http://www.netrition.com/cgi/news.cgi?file=20050524070700_0

Atkins helps diabetes patients 2005 May 24

WELLINGTON, New Zealand, May 23, 2005 (United Press
International via COMTEX) -- A study by New Zealand's
Wellington Hospital indicates the high-fat Atkins diet helps
diabetes patients lose weight and control the disease.

The study examined the cases of 12 overweight patients with
type 2 diabetes brought on by diet and lifestyle. On a
modified Atkins diet, the patients lost an average of about
22 pounds in six months, the Wellington Dominion Post
reported Monday.

Surprisingly, the researchers said the patients' glucose
tolerance improved significantly, indicating better
diabetes control.

"When I went into it, with no published studies, I was
expecting we would see it would be harmful," said
endocrinologist and lead study author Jeremy Krebs. "I was not
surprised people were able to lose weight, but the health
parameters all improved more than I expected."

The diet used in the study was a slightly modified version of
Atkins, aiming to avoid "bad" saturated fats and eat more mono
and polyunsaturated fats.

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I guess we can call this the Atkins Paradox. More fat,
better health.

Remove the cause of obesity and diabetes (refined carbs) and
the conditions get corrected over time. Remove the refined
carbs and replace them with healthy whole food carbs and
people get healthier. A diet high in refined carbs equals
higher incidences of metabolic syndrome, diabetes and obesity.
Avoid the refined carbs in the first place and these medical
conditions will not appear in the first place.

How much more evidence do we need before we all get it? It
ain't frikkin' rocket science.

TC

[Enrico C]

On 25 May 2005 09:08:42 -0700, TC wrote in
<news:1117037322.458287.211340@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>
on sci.med.nutrition :

> http://www.netrition.com/cgi/news.cgi?file=20050524070700_0
>
> Atkins helps diabetes patients 2005 May 24

[...]

> The diet used in the study was a slightly modified version
> of Atkins, aiming to avoid "bad" saturated fats and eat more
> mono and polyunsaturated fats.

Then it's no "Atkins"! Dr Atkins didn't think of saturated
fats as "bad", AFAIK! ^^

--
Enrico C

[Tc]

Enrico C wrote:
> On 25 May 2005 09:08:42 -0700, TC wrote in <news:1117037322-
> .458287.211340@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> on
> sci.med.nutrition :
>
> > http://www.netrition.com/cgi/news.cgi?file=2005052407-
> > 0700_0
> >
> > Atkins helps diabetes patients 2005 May 24
>
> [...]
>
> > The diet used in the study was a slightly modified version
> > of Atkins, aiming to avoid "bad" saturated fats and eat
> > more mono and polyunsaturated fats.
>
> Then it's no "Atkins"! Dr Atkins didn't think of saturated
> fats as "bad", AFAIK! ^^
>
>
> --
> Enrico C

OK, so we have a slightly modified Atkins diet. Either way, a
*higher* fat diet led to weight loss and improvement in
diabetes, exactly the opposite of what the maintream has been
trumpeting to be the facts since WW2. And we have multiple
other studies that have shown improvements in serum lipid
profile on low-carb/high-fat diets.

The Atkins Paradox is now an official dietary paradox
alongside the many other recognized dietary paradoxes.

TC

[Susan]

x-no-archive: yes

Enrico C wrote:
> On 25 May 2005 09:08:42 -0700, TC wrote in <news:1117037322-
> .458287.211340@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> on
> sci.med.nutrition :
>
>
>>http://www.netrition.com/cgi/news.cgi?file=20050524070700_0
>>
>>Atkins helps diabetes patients 2005 May 24
>
>
> [...]
>
>
>>The diet used in the study was a slightly modified version
>>of Atkins, aiming to avoid "bad" saturated fats and eat more
>>mono and polyunsaturated fats.
>
>
> Then it's no "Atkins"! Dr Atkins didn't think of saturated
> fats as "bad", AFAIK! ^^
>
>

It's still Atkins. Atkins doesn't require high sat fat, he
just never specifically limited it.

Susan

[Bob]

On Wed, 25 May 2005 15:24:24 -0400, Susan
<nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>The diet used in the study was a slightly modified version
>>>of Atkins, aiming to avoid "bad" saturated fats and eat
>>>more mono and polyunsaturated fats.
>>
>>
>> Then it's no "Atkins"! Dr Atkins didn't think of saturated
>> fats as "bad", AFAIK! ^^
>>
>>
>
>It's still Atkins. Atkins doesn't require high sat fat, he
>just never specifically limited it.
>
>Susan

No it isnt. The diet in the study limits "bad" saturated fat.
So a diet that does not llimit them is not the same diet as
the one in the study. A diet that limits carbs is not the same
as one that doesn't. Get it moron?

[Robert Klu]

On 25 May 2005 18:51:02 -0500, Bob <....> wrote:

>On Wed, 25 May 2005 15:24:24 -0400, Susan
><nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>The diet used in the study was a slightly modified version
>>>>of Atkins, aiming to avoid "bad" saturated fats and eat
>>>>more mono and polyunsaturated fats.
>>>
>>>
>>> Then it's no "Atkins"! Dr Atkins didn't think of saturated
>>> fats as "bad", AFAIK! ^^
>>>
>>>
>>
>>It's still Atkins. Atkins doesn't require high sat fat, he
>>just never specifically limited it.
>>
>>Susan
>
>No it isnt. The diet in the study limits "bad" saturated fat.
>So a diet that does not llimit them is not the same diet as
>the one in the study. A diet that limits carbs is not the
>same as one that doesn't. Get it moron?

Nope. You can be following Atkins and limit your saturated
fats. You can also be on Atkins and ignore your saturated
fat intake.

From a New Zealand news source: "The diet they follow is
strictly Atkins: Carbohydrates are almost eliminated and
protein and fat are allowed. Though, because it is
hospital-controlled, the group is encouraged to replace as
much saturated fat with the safer mono and polyunsaturated
fats, and to include lots of nutrient-rich green vegetables."

Doesn't say the subjects DID limit their saturated fat intake,
only that the doctor encouraged. So, what appears to be
missing is a study of a group of diabetics that did not limit
their saturated fat intake and one that did.

What is important is that following the Atkins diet was good
for diabetics.

[Tc]

Bob wrote:
> On Wed, 25 May 2005 15:24:24 -0400, Susan
> <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>The diet used in the study was a slightly modified
> >>>version of Atkins, aiming to avoid "bad" saturated fats
> >>>and eat more mono and polyunsaturated fats.
> >>
> >>
> >> Then it's no "Atkins"! Dr Atkins didn't think of
> >> saturated fats as "bad", AFAIK! ^^
> >>
> >>
> >
> >It's still Atkins. Atkins doesn't require high sat fat, he
> >just never specifically limited it.
> >
> >Susan
>
> No it isnt. The diet in the study limits "bad" saturated
> fat. So a diet that does not llimit them is not the same
> diet as the one in the study. A diet that limits carbs is
> not the same as one that doesn't. Get it moron?

Limiting or not limiting saturated fat is neither here nor
there according to Atkins, which has been the main point of
contention amongst the mainstream low-carb detractors. Either
way, the Atkins diet is higher in fat in general than a
low-calorie, read low-fat, diet. On Atkins, you get to chose
which types of fats you eat. Atkins does not limit what kinds
of fat you eat. So by limiting one type of fat or another does
not make it not Atkins.

Either way, this study clearly shows that a higher fat diet
led to weight loss and better health. Whether you chose to
call it the Atkins diet or you call it whatever you will, a
high-fat diet is healthier than a low-fat diet, period.

And I will add my personal opinion here - copious amounts of
animal fats from healthy animals is extrememly healthy for
humans to consume. That is what we evolved on. Saturated fat
or not, it is extremely healthy for us.

And watch your frikkin' language, idiot.

TC