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kyrasdad
Sun, May-22-05, 17:21
The claim: Yo-Yo Diets Slows Metabolism (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/17/health/17real.html)
The Claim: Repeated Dieting Slows Your Metabolism
By ANAHAD O'CONNOR
THE FACTS For years, experts have warned against yo-yo dieting, saying the practice of repeatedly losing and regaining weight slows metabolism and makes it harder to burn calories. Many dieters accept that as conventional wisdom.
The idea first gained ground in 1986, when a study found that rats that had been deprived of food would quickly regain the weight they had lost when they were allowed to eat again, even with fewer calories. Scientists concluded that the rats, after repeated bouts of starvation, were burning calories less efficiently, and hypothesized that the same effect would occur in chronic dieters.
Since then, half a dozen studies have examined the theory and failed to confirm it. One, published in The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition in 1992, looked at 50 overweight women who dieted frequently. It found no evidence that the women had either lower metabolic rates or smaller weight losses over time.
Still, Cathy Nonas, an obesity expert at North General Hospital in Harlem, said the myth was unlikely to die soon.
"We've debunked it many times," she said. "But it keeps cropping up."
THE BOTTOM LINE Yo-yo dieting will not alter your metabolism.
ItsTheWooo
Sun, May-22-05, 18:14
Thank you Scott...
It's so often repeated that "years of dieting killed their/my metabolism" that it's become a standard diet myth... sort of like the advice to "drink 8 glasses of water per day" as if deficit of water is the reason we can't drop weight (rather than the fact we are reaching for nuts and chips and cookies impulsively, instead of calorie-free glasses of water ;) ).
It is quite self evident that when you restrict food intake metabolism does drop, but this is temporary. Our needs for energy are not 100% fixed, our bodies react and respond and adapt to environment. We are capable of conserving or using energy more liberally depending on the conditions of our diet and lifestyle. Just as the body will slow down metabolism "to survive famine" (aka weight-corrective diet), the body will kick it up again very rapidly during "to fully take advantage of feast" (aka weight maintenance or weight gain diet). The more you restrict or eat, the more extreme the body will go in its conservation of energy or usage of it. There's a lot of individual variation there; some bodies naturally conserve more, other bodies conserve less. Bodies that conserve more during restriction also tend to use less during feast, making weight gain easier. The converse is true with those who have a hard time putting on weight.
Still I think individual variation in metabolism is rather small (we are all human after all and so our energy needs are going to be much much more similar when age/sex/weight/height matched, than they are different, much like all individual human variation).
Most of this "post dieting wrecked metabolism" nonsense has to do with cyclical dieting causing psychological trauma that triggers or exacerbates dysfunctional and abnormal diet and lifestyle patterns. It is this behavior that causes fat gain, not a wrecked metabolism. An inability to "control yourself" around "bad" food, all food, strange eating schedules (eating nothing all day then binging), strange eating habits (compulsively all day) can all be triggered or made worse by the psychological trauma of dieting.
Furthermore, if there exists a genetic tendency toward insulin resistance, post-dieting dysfunctional eating could trigger the insulin resistance which brings new problems that for physiological reasons also lead to dysfunctional eating, food obsession, and weight gain. In that famous study of starvation involving men, all adopted extremely abnormal post-restriction eating behaviors, all gorged themselves and gained weight. Almost all men weight and eating normalized after a period of time. However, a minority of those continued to gorge and gain weight even after they reached their old weights and well after restriction ended. My theory is that this minority of men triggered a susceptibility metabolic syndrome by the binging / compulsive eating behavior.
Anyway, I don't think it's possible for our bodies to "learn" to be more thrifty anymore than they can "learn" to be more liberal with energy. All you have are genes and environment, and these two can mix to produce either disease or health... states that are wholly reversible depending on the present mixture of genes and environment. You'll notice no one ever says "oh all that healthy eating "taught my body to burn more energy"". It's assumed that when metabolism increases in response to positive lifestyle changes, that the change is temporary and dependant only upon continuation of the diet and lifestyle that produced it. Why do we, then, feel that poor eating and lifestyle can "permanently lower metabolism"? Perhaps it's because we don't want to admit it's not so much the metabolism that's permanently lower, but our diet and lifestyle that's permanently unhealthy?
Another factor which fuels this myth is people compare their bodies when they were 17 to when they are 45. "I"m a 45 year old seasoned crash dieter, so I can't lose weight well like when I was 17". Is it the dieting, though, or is it simply age combined with a far less active lifestyle (and less active lifestyles usually mean more food consumption - it's easier to eat when you're sitting on the couch watching CSI vs going out with friends as a kid). I believe metabolism drops with age, and that is normal. Years of dieting did not kill your metabolism, aging did, and it's also very likely that your metabolism being slow has a lot more to do with your eating more and exercising less as an older person ;) .
But that's all conjecture on my part.
All I can say with certainty is in my own experience, slowing of metabolism and speeding up of metabolism are dependent primarily on the quality, quantity, and nature of your diet and lifestyle. After two straight years of under eating to correct obesity and showing numerous symptoms of "starvation mode" my body rebounds almost instantly when I feed it more food. Please note I never binged or engaged in any extreme post diet dysfunctional eating; my extra food intake was slow and gradual and it came primarily from fat and protein. People who "refeed" by binging and gorging on carbs may see different results (as these are not healthful behaviors and tend to promote fat anabolism). In my personal experience with segueing from under eating to an isocaloric diet, scale weight gain has been insignificant, fat gain almost non-existent, mostly I've noticed much more energy and more muscle definition. I just look and feel healthier, rather than unhealthier (piling on fat weight and feeling tired).
kyrasdad
Sun, May-22-05, 19:43
I never had a position on this, but I'd often heard it claimed. It's been outside my experience since the low carb diet I started in late 2003 is the first I'd been on that lasted more than a couple of months. I never yo-yo'd, because I never really lost any weight for most of my life.
People obviously believe that losting/gaining/losing/gaining in loops has damaged their metabolisms, but there apparently isn't much in the way of proof of it. I suspect it may have been that we yo-yo becuase we choose unsustainable liquid, low fat, or calorie restriction diets.
I know there are no stats out there on the relative amount of loss/gain cycles on low carb vs. other diets, but my experience is that the cycle is broken by a much easier to sustain way of eating rather than broken by metabolic issues that may be mroe the result of aging and a changing body than up & down weights.
That said, I doubt loss/gain is good for you. But I'm not sure it's any worse than the gain/gain process I went through most of my life.
Judynyc
Sun, May-22-05, 20:53
Well..... I have yo-yo'ed more times than I care to admit to :lol: I pray that this will be my last time!! I'd have a hefty resume if I wrote down all the different diets I've been on over the years since I was a teenager. Yikes!!
I think that my age has been the biggest factor in my metabolism this time. I just turned 55 this past week and menopause is playing havoc with my body.
No excuses!! Just stating facts!!
So ....Thanks Scott!! Its good to know that my yo-yo'ing isn't the reason I'm losing slowly!! :D
Ayln
Sun, May-22-05, 23:21
I think some of the factors that contribute to the slowdown of metabolism are homeostasis and loss of muscle/lean body mass. It is true that chronic or long-term dieting can downregulate the thyroid, and low-carb doubly so due to its effects on the liver. The thyroid is the main controller of the body's metabolism, so when the body senses that it is not getting enough nourishment (I think in the hypothalamus), it will produce less T4 and/or T3.
From personal experience, chronic dieting will definitely lower metabolism. I had been pretty much dieting for three years straight and for the past two or so I did not lose any weight, felt cold and miserable all the time, and had secondary amenorrhea. After eating maintenance for about two weeks, I can say that my metabolism is back to normal, or as "normal" as it's gonna get. Ah, it's hard being an endomorph :(
Loss of LBM will also lower metabolism, though I don't think I need to explain this to anyone :)
Nancy LC
Mon, May-23-05, 08:57
Well, this is good news for me. I'm planning on trying a few days a week of a PSMF (protein sparing modified fast) to see if I can get some of this weight to budge. I'm just doing a few days at a time so my metabolism doesn't adjust too much. Then I'll go back to my regular low carb diet.
kathleen24
Mon, May-23-05, 09:06
My take on this:
Sorry, Judy, but if we both apply for the chronic dieter job, I bet I'd get the position. I, too, have lost track of the number of diets I've attempted, esp. in my twenties and thirties.
In the last 4 months, during which I turned 50, I've lost 50 pounds. I know others have outpaced that loss, but frankly, I'll take it and run--I don't think I've ever lost faster. I think the significant factor for me is exercise. Also, though I have overeaten more than once, and ate when I didn't plan on eating, but I have stayed LC all the way.
When I first found this forum, there was a thread about the relative ease of losing weight in the first 5 to 8 months, after which results tanked. I decided then that I would take advantage of that window of opportunity, and go hell-bent for leather during this time. If and when I hit the wall, I may or may not interpret that as an indicator that I need to stabilize there for awhile, rather than fight for every tenth of a pound. Will keep y'all informed (like you can't wait, right? :lol:)
my .02 . . .
LauraC123
Mon, May-23-05, 10:38
Aside from age, medication, thyroid conditions or disease. I always believed your basic metabolism generally stayed the same...Maybe it is true...maybe it is not but I know through years of ED that should have wrecked my metabolism...the basic calories or lack there of have caused the same gains and loses on the scale....except when I was on meds that hampered my weight loss....
:)
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kwikdriver
Mon, May-23-05, 10:47
I've always been suspicious of the damaged metabolism thing. I have no doubt that it happens in the short run, but that you can permanently wreck your metabolism through diet alone (I know of a meth addict who destroyed his metabolism through his drug habit) seems like it goes a bit far.
Still, the firm conclusion at the end of this article makes me uneasy. So far, research has failed to confirm the effect, but it doesn't seem as if they've done a whole lot of it -- six studies? Failing to confirm something does not necessarily establish its lack of existence.
ceberezin
Mon, May-23-05, 10:54
I am sceptical of explanations which use age as a factor. Aging, by itself, does not necessarily cause anything. Insulin resistance increases over time. So the vast majority of people who do not eat low carb are slowly but surely increasing their insulin resistance. The higher the insulin resistance, the harder it is to lose weight.
Nancy LC
Mon, May-23-05, 10:57
Hmm... well, with aging a number of things seem to happen. Lots of hormones drop off, including thyroid. In my case, I wasn't creating as much T3 (the active thyroid hormone) as I should have been. It seems to happen quite frequently in middle-age and beyond. Obviously lots of changes happen as we age, thus women stop menstruating and so on. And hormones are probably the most important indicator of your metabolism and whether or not you tend to build muscle or store fat.
neeam
Mon, May-23-05, 11:10
As I understand it is the leptin (brother of insulin) resistance
that makes it so hard to lose.. again yo-yo dieting increases
leptin resistance and hence makes weight loss harder.. IMHO
Lisa N
Mon, May-23-05, 14:51
Still, the firm conclusion at the end of this article makes me uneasy. So far, research has failed to confirm the effect, but it doesn't seem as if they've done a whole lot of it -- six studies? Failing to confirm something does not necessarily establish its lack of existence.
Kwikdriver, I have to agree. Had this been a study with 50 members that 'showed' low carb to be harmful, I doubt that so many would enthusiastically embrace it without question. A study with 50 participants is not a large enough study to accurately show anything, IMO.
What did that study use as a control? How many of the participants had repeatedly lost and then regained weight (as opposed to having a long history of dieting). How much weight was regained after each loss?
Be careful of accepting a 'study' at face value just because you happen to like the conclusion that the study reached. ;)
Judynyc
Mon, May-23-05, 15:05
Sorry, Judy, but if we both apply for the chronic dieter job, I bet I'd get the position. I, too, have lost track of the number of diets I've attempted, esp. in my twenties and thirties.
I'm sure happy that we aren't in a competiton then!! :D
tom sawyer
Mon, May-23-05, 15:18
It seems reasonable to me, that if you repeatedly starve your body, it would respond by putting on more and more weight in the "times of plenty". Whether or not this is caused by a general slowdown in metabolism, or through reregulation of some other biochemical pathway, is an open question. But I think it is safe to say, that there is plenty of evidence that people who diet and then go off, often gain back more weight than they lost.
And I disagree with those who say that aging and body shape changes are dependent on carbs in diet. I think the loss of muscle and bone mass as you get older, certainly does have an effect on your metabolism. Being on a low carb diet isn't going to keep you from aging, and the effects of aging result in changes in metabolism and body shape.
ceberezin
Mon, May-23-05, 15:36
I never suggested that a low carb diet would prevent anyome from aging. I merely said that I distrust explanations that rely on aging as a cause of disorders. Many of the so-called diseases of aging, CHD, type 2 diabetes, osteoporosis, arthritis and other inflammation-related disorders are directly or indirectly related to insulin resistance and hyperinsulinemia or glycation, which is also a cumulative process in people who have been stuffing themselves with carbs all their lives. Low carbing will not stop aging. It will help lessen the ravages of these conditions.
tom sawyer
Tue, May-24-05, 12:00
We are in agreement then.
I do think the changes in body shape that are typically seen as one ages, will continue to be seen to some degree. If only the hair loss were carb-dependent!
ItsTheWooo
Tue, May-24-05, 12:09
Speaking of carbs and aging...
Anyone notice how awfully all those vegetarian celebrities have aged compared to omnivorous ones? Alec baldwin, morrissey, etc... its scary how old and fat they all look now. Grey hair, pudge, wrinkles, lack of muscle mass... I mean it's expected they won't stay young forever but it seems as if the vegetarians (who likely eat very many carbs and avoid protein/fat) look absolutely horrid.
Even the young vegetarians look aged and unhealthy, for example gweneth paltrow. She is very "skinny fat" and looks tired and unhealthy. In a few years she'll look horrible.
potatofree
Tue, May-24-05, 12:19
I must be looking at WAY different pictures... the last ones I saw of Gwenyth Paltrow and her daugher, she looked radiant. <shrug> Alicia Silverstone, likewise, and I believe she's vegan.
Some of the pitifully skinny, like the newly-bony Lindsay Lohan, or any of the "Lollipop-bodys" on the fashion pages look scary. I wonder, if the "See how skinny we can get" trend doesn't end soon, how bad is it going to GET?
I'd like to see them all in 20 years...
ceberezin
Tue, May-24-05, 12:32
Actually . . . (the following is an excerpt from and article by Cordain and Eades, entitled "Hyperinsulinemic diseases of civilization:more than just Syndrome X" from the journal, Comparative Biochemistry and Physiology
9.8. Male vertex balding
With virtually all diseases of insulin resistance, there are both environmental and genetic factors that act concomitantly to elicit the phenotypic expression of the disease or condition. Male balding clearly has a genetic component (Birch and Messenger, 2001). However, it is well established that male pattern balding also is an androgendependent trait that occurs from elevated androgenesis after puberty (Randall et al., 2000). Consequently, any environmental factor or factors that would elevate serum androgen levels would promote increased balding, particularly in genetically susceptible individuals.
High-glycemic-load carbohydrates, by inducing hyperinsulinemia, along with a concomitant elevation of serum androgens and reduction in SHBG (Fig. 4) represent a likely environmental agent that may in part underlie the promotion of male vertex balding. In support of this endocrine cascade are studies showing that men with higher serum levels of testosterone and IGF-1, and lower circulating concentrations of IGFBP-3 were more likely to have vertex balding (Signorello et al., 1999; Platz et al., 2000). However, it is not known at present if elevations in IGF-1 and reductions in IGFBP-3 are directly involved in the origin of male vertex balding, or if they are simply markers for elevations in circulating androgens that are known to promote baldness (Randall et al., 2000). Nevertheless, the male vertex balding pattern is strongly associated with other Syndrome X diseases, such as CAD and hypertension (Lesko et al., 1993; Lotufo et al., 2000).
Here's a link to the entire article: www.elsevier.com/locate/cbpa
Sona
Tue, May-24-05, 12:56
Anyone notice how awfully all those vegetarian celebrities have aged compared to omnivorous ones?
IMHO, I would imagine that "all" is a bit of an unnecessary (and unsubstantiated) generalization: There are probably some vegetarian celebs who have aged unattractively and others who retain a certain radiance even into their "sunset" years; likewise, I'm certain we could point to a few aging omnivorous celebs who look puffy, pudgy, and unhealthy and several who look quite amazing for their age. :) I should think that, like anything, this kind of observation would have to be contingent on a variety of factions rather more individualistic than whether the celeb is a vegan or an omnivore.
Just my $.02.
Duparc
Tue, May-24-05, 14:16
As a repetitive dieter, and speaking from experience and observation, the more frequently I have dieted the less likely the weight loss. At the commencement to any period of dieting my body would shed about 7lbs due probably to water loss but the period of time between diets seems to determine the weight that will be lost. If the period is short, say about a few months or less, the body seems to have its own memory and I find the suggestion that it goes into starvation-mode fitting. If there is a longish period between one diet and the next then the body seems to respond more positively, as if it no longer remembers, and sheds weight rapidly. The only diets to which I have experience are those of low-carbing. Whether alternating diets would have the same effect or otherwise I have no knowledge. What causes this to occur, I have no idea. Surely other would have experienced this feature?
Groggy60
Tue, May-24-05, 14:47
I think your metabolism changes when you get your first car.
potatofree
Tue, May-24-05, 14:49
I have, Duparc, and I know many others who share your experience.
ItsTheWooo
Tue, May-24-05, 22:58
As a repetitive dieter, and speaking from experience and observation, the more frequently I have dieted the less likely the weight loss. At the commencement to any period of dieting my body would shed about 7lbs due probably to water loss but the period of time between diets seems to determine the weight that will be lost. If the period is short, say about a few months or less, the body seems to have its own memory and I find the suggestion that it goes into starvation-mode fitting. If there is a longish period between one diet and the next then the body seems to respond more positively, as if it no longer remembers, and sheds weight rapidly. The only diets to which I have experience are those of low-carbing. Whether alternating diets would have the same effect or otherwise I have no knowledge. What causes this to occur, I have no idea. Surely other would have experienced this feature?
I totally agree with your observations duparc...
However I don't think these are permanent damages to metabolism, it is the effects of "starvation mode" induced by frequent starvation (yo-yo dieting). When you deprive your body and lose fat frequently or rapidly, it depletes/releases key enzymes and hormones which have the net effect of making the body less eager to burn fat and more likely to conserve energy during restriction.
Eating more and stopping weight loss will help greatly, but if you try to lose weight again shortly afterward, these substances are still doing their thing so you won't be able to lose as easily.
Maintaining weight and normal (adequate) eating for a long period of time will allow the body to function normally again and not freak out and shut down the moment you try to restrict food.
I can say this is true in my experience. Even though I said when I eat more my body functions "normally", the moment I try to restrict food it shuts down. I will be almost crippled with lethargy to the point where I can't move, and ice cold. It's very extreme. Even something as innocent as delaying a meal a few hours will do this. Normal people who did not lose a lot and do not diet frequently, from my observations, are capable of going without food for long periods of time without any debilitation of metabolism. Most everyone I know eats lightly throughout the day and doesn't have a problem. I can not do this anymore; I MUST eat throughout the day or else the consequences are my metabolism goes to pot.
This implies to me that they (normal people who did not lose large amounts of weight rapidly) can lose weight much easier than I can, since their body does not "shut off" when energy is restricted like mine does. Or to put it bluntly, my body is in a state of conservation and theirs are not.
I imagine that my body is still in "starvation mode", and eating normally and maintaining my weight for a long period of time will restore my body to normal functioning. However, it is also possible that I am too far below a "set point" weight and it might not happen. I'll have to see in time.
Ayln
Tue, May-24-05, 23:24
I think this is why calorie/carb (sometimes simultaneous) cycling works for people. Whether it's ketogenic for the most part of a week or a three day cycle, the constant mixing up of energy intake and composition of macronutrients "tricks" the body and staves off starvation mode for quite a while. Of course, the body will eventually adapt to the lower caloric intake no matter how much one changes it, so a break from dieting (or a refeed) should be advised, in order to rebalance the thyroid hormones.
In terms of restoring normal metabolism, a few weeks of slowing increasing calories every 5-8 days until ~2000 (for females) and ~2500 (for males) calories is reached will fix the body's metabolism. Cardio must be avoided and weightlifting is not recommended. I can personally vouch for this method, as it has worked for me. I am feeling much better now and am no longer freezing in even mild weather.
Just my two copper coins.
AJCole
Wed, May-25-05, 03:52
I never yo-yo dieted. But I got sick and lost 20 lbs. When I got well I gained. Then I went on a lowfat diet and gained even more. I think low fat damaged me alot. And I know age is a factor in matabolism. And I have fixed my metabolism with lc, but I can not eat like I did before the starvation/weight loss. The sad truth:(.
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