What do you think? Feedback please.

[So Cal Nat]

Ok all, I could use some other opinions. I've recently
changed my lifestyle and my relationship with food,
permanently, and it's resulted in substantial weight loss
over the last 7 weeks (32 pounds as of yesterday). I've
visited my doctor and he's given my new changes his blessing,
but I'm still wondering about possible health risks
associated to the fast drop in weight. I'm curious what
problems you see with the following plan:

* I have cut red meats, dairy and bread from my diet. These
items all caused an assortment of problems with my health
over the years (I'm 37 by the way).

* I've replaced the above items with soy/tofu veggie
replacements, but my meals are also much smaller than they
used to be.

* I eat nothing but fruit until noon everyday, eating 3-5
pieces of fresh fruit daily.

* Luch and dinner are very low in fat, with most including
veggie alternative items, with some chicken or fish mixed in
about every other day. Beans and veggies are the most common
dinner items.

* For fluids, I consume nothing but water or juice that
I've squeezed. In the 7 weeks since I started, I've had
nothing else.

* Snacks have been limited to unsalted nuts of any type and
soy based yogurts or ice cream. Veggies and fruit are always
a part of the snack plan as well.

* Supplements - Flaxseed oil with each meal, multivitamins
daily, and occasionally coconut oil supplements (I've always
had digestive problems and it seems to help).

These all meants HUGE changes from my previous food lifestyle
which was heavy in fat content and included LOTS of red meats,
bread, and suger based items. By the way, it was brought on by
dad's triple bypass and the fact I want to be around a long
time with several chidren of my own. Bad food is no longer an
option in my life.

Anyway, with almost no excersise (situps and pushups on the
excersise ball only), I've consistently lost 4-5 lbs per
week since I started. I expected to lose some weight with
the changes, but not this much without the excersise. It's
been a blessing, but I'm still curious if there's anything
to worry about.

At this point I feel great and the doctor has said he can't
find any problems with these changes. Just curious what
everyone in this group thinks.

Thanks for the help and input.

[John Sanke]

Just to start: check the Metropolitan Life weight tables
http://www.healthchecksystems.com/heightweightchart.htm to
find out what you should end up at. Most dietitians advise
against losing weight so fast, and it is important to ramp up
your calories as you approach ideal weight. There should be
lots of lipids, protein and salt in your soy products, but you
should check all your other nutrients.

[Pizza Girl]

Your gallbladdar needs to work. This takes fat intake. If it
has nothing to do it can accumulate stones and the next time
you eat fats it has to expel bile to assist in digestion you
have a gallbladdar attack because it is plugged up.

Sounds like a Diamond plan.

"So Cal Natv" <noway@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:LVMce.953$nN.317@trnddc05...
> Ok all, I could use some other opinions. I've recently
> changed my lifestyle and my relationship with food,
> permanently, and it's resulted in substantial weight loss
> over the last 7 weeks (32 pounds as of yesterday). I've
> visited my doctor and he's given my new changes his
> blessing, but I'm still wondering about possible health
> risks associated to the fast drop in weight. I'm curious
> what problems you see with the following plan:
>
> * I have cut red meats, dairy and bread from my diet. These
> items all caused an assortment of problems with my health
> over the years (I'm 37 by the way).
>
> * I've replaced the above items with soy/tofu veggie
> replacements, but my meals are also much smaller than they
> used to be.
>
> * I eat nothing but fruit until noon everyday, eating 3-5
> pieces of fresh fruit daily.
>
> * Luch and dinner are very low in fat, with most including
> veggie alternative items, with some chicken or fish mixed
> in about every other day. Beans and veggies are the most
> common dinner items.
>
> * For fluids, I consume nothing but water or juice that
> I've squeezed. In the 7 weeks since I started, I've had
> nothing else.
>
> * Snacks have been limited to unsalted nuts of any type and
> soy based yogurts or ice cream. Veggies and fruit are
> always a part of the snack plan as well.
>
> * Supplements - Flaxseed oil with each meal, multivitamins
> daily, and occasionally coconut oil supplements (I've
> always had digestive problems and it seems to help).
>
> These all meants HUGE changes from my previous food
> lifestyle which was heavy in fat content and included LOTS
> of red meats, bread, and suger based items. By the way, it
> was brought on by dad's triple bypass and the fact I want to
> be around a long time with several chidren of my own. Bad
> food is no longer an option in my life.
>
> Anyway, with almost no excersise (situps and pushups on the
> excersise ball only), I've consistently lost 4-5 lbs per
> week since I started. I expected to lose some weight with
> the changes, but not this much without the excersise. It's
> been a blessing, but I'm still curious if there's anything
> to worry about.
>
> At this point I feel great and the doctor has said he can't
> find any problems with these changes. Just curious what
> everyone in this group thinks.
>
> Thanks for the help and input.

[Pizza Girl]

Your gallbladdar needs to work. This takes fat intake. If it
has nothing to do it can accumulate stones and the next time
you eat fats it has to expel bile to assist in digestion you
have a gallbladdar attack because it is plugged up.

Sounds like a Diamond plan.

"So Cal Natv" <noway@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:LVMce.953$nN.317@trnddc05...
> Ok all, I could use some other opinions. I've recently
> changed my lifestyle and my relationship with food,
> permanently, and it's resulted in substantial weight loss
> over the last 7 weeks (32 pounds as of yesterday). I've
> visited my doctor and he's given my new changes his
> blessing, but I'm still wondering about possible health
> risks associated to the fast drop in weight. I'm curious
> what problems you see with the following plan:
>
> * I have cut red meats, dairy and bread from my diet. These
> items all caused an assortment of problems with my health
> over the years (I'm 37 by the way).
>
> * I've replaced the above items with soy/tofu veggie
> replacements, but my meals are also much smaller than they
> used to be.
>
> * I eat nothing but fruit until noon everyday, eating 3-5
> pieces of fresh fruit daily.
>
> * Luch and dinner are very low in fat, with most including
> veggie alternative items, with some chicken or fish mixed
> in about every other day. Beans and veggies are the most
> common dinner items.
>
> * For fluids, I consume nothing but water or juice that
> I've squeezed. In the 7 weeks since I started, I've had
> nothing else.
>
> * Snacks have been limited to unsalted nuts of any type and
> soy based yogurts or ice cream. Veggies and fruit are
> always a part of the snack plan as well.
>
> * Supplements - Flaxseed oil with each meal, multivitamins
> daily, and occasionally coconut oil supplements (I've
> always had digestive problems and it seems to help).
>
> These all meants HUGE changes from my previous food
> lifestyle which was heavy in fat content and included LOTS
> of red meats, bread, and suger based items. By the way, it
> was brought on by dad's triple bypass and the fact I want to
> be around a long time with several chidren of my own. Bad
> food is no longer an option in my life.
>
> Anyway, with almost no excersise (situps and pushups on the
> excersise ball only), I've consistently lost 4-5 lbs per
> week since I started. I expected to lose some weight with
> the changes, but not this much without the excersise. It's
> been a blessing, but I'm still curious if there's anything
> to worry about.
>
> At this point I feel great and the doctor has said he can't
> find any problems with these changes. Just curious what
> everyone in this group thinks.
>
> Thanks for the help and input.

[Joni]

Pizza Girl wrote:
> Your gallbladdar needs to work. This takes fat intake.

The OP did say she has daily flaxseed oil, sometimes coconut
oil, and occasionally chicken in her salads. So she is
probably getting enough fats to entertain her gallbladder. I
would recommend that she track her daily foods with a free
program like FitDay which can help her make better nutrient
choices and it will show the breakdown of what she eats.
http://www.fitday.com Altho fruits & veggies rule, she may not
be getting enough protein (altho she mentions soy
alternatives) and what or where is the grain family in there?
Sure bread is one thing she can stay away from but what about
some good grains like brown rice or oatmeal? I think she is
missing some important nutrients and could be doing much
better in her overall choices. Four to five pounds a week
really is a bit too fast (can we say stretchmarks? lol!) and
will most likely level out a bit as she gets closer to her
goal weight. Adding in a few smaller meals or bigger portions
will slow that down to a healthier adjustment for her body to
handle. You want healthy eating, not starvation levels. Also
now that she has lost some weight, feels better etc, she
really should be exercising daily. Weights increase bone
density, cardio improves the cardiovascular system, all to her
good longterm health advantage. And thats why she started this
journey, to be healthier so adding in exercise will benefit
her goals.

joni

[Robert]

"Pizza Girl" <nospam@4.me> wrote in message
news:1114908998.4bdbd40b4a2c1bc589dda7f6383377d4@teranews...
> Your gallbladdar needs to work. This takes fat intake. If it
> has nothing
to
> do it can accumulate stones and the next time you eat fats
> it has to expel bile to assist in digestion you have a
> gallbladdar attack because it is plugged up.

Not even close. Where in the world did you get that from?
Stones do not accumulate because the gallbladdar has
nothing to do.

[Pizza Girl]

I got that from several personal experiences and many doctors.

"Robert" <Robertitsme@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7tKdnQf3GtGRC-vfRVn-jA@got.net...
>
> "Pizza Girl" <nospam@4.me> wrote in message news:1114908998-
> .4bdbd40b4a2c1bc589dda7f6383377d4@teranews...
> > Your gallbladdar needs to work. This takes fat intake. If
> > it has nothing
> to
> > do it can accumulate stones and the next time you eat fats
> > it has to
expel
> > bile to assist in digestion you have a gallbladdar attack
> > because it is plugged up.
>
> Not even close. Where in the world did you get that from?
> Stones do not accumulate because the gallbladdar has
> nothing to do.

[Robert]

Postgrad Med. 1991 Oct;90(5):119-26. Related Articles,
Books, LinkOut

Gallstone symptoms. Myth and reality.

Egbert AM.

Department of Internal Medicine, University of Kansas School
of Medicine, Wichita 67214-3199.

Gallstones are very common, but at least two thirds of
detected stones are asymptomatic and a large number
undoubtedly go undetected. The presence of symptoms or
complications is the indication for surgery. It is important
to accurately identify which symptoms are caused by
gallstones, because removing the gallbladder will relieve
only these symptoms. Making this determination is a
challenge, however, because the classic picture of biliary
colic may be inaccurate and the connection between gallstone
disease and flatulent dyspepsia is questionable at best.
Descriptions of both these conditions are based on anecdotal
evidence or reports of uncontrolled surgical series. A review
of recent controlled trials suggests that the pain of biliary
colic is constant and infrequent, comes in episodes lasting 1
to 5 hours, is located in the epigastrium or right upper
quadrant of the abdomen, and characteristically occurs at
night. There are few additional symptoms other than nausea or
vomiting, and colic is not induced by eating fatty meals.
Flatulent dyspepsia--a symptom complex of vague pain in the
right upper quadrant, fatty-food intolerance, and
bloating--is probably not related to the presence of
gallstones in the majority of patients.

PMID: 1924000 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Nutrition. 2005 Mar;21(3):339-47. Related Articles,
Books, LinkOut

Effect of the type of dietary fat on biliary lipid
composition and bile lithogenicity in humans with cholesterol
gallstone disease.

Yago MD, Gonzalez V, Serrano P, Calpena R, Martinez MA,
Martinez-Victoria E, Manas M.

Institute of Nutrition and Food Technology, Department of
Physiology, University of Granada, Granada, Spain.

OBJECTIVE: The effect of the type of dietary fat on bile
lipids and lithogenicity is unclear. This study compared the
effects of two dietary oils that differed in fatty acid
profile on biliary lipid composition in humans. METHODS:
Female patients who had cholesterol gallstones and were
scheduled for elective cholecystectomy were studied. For 30 d
before surgery, subjects were kept on diets that contained
olive oil (olive oil group, n = 9) or sunflower oil (sunflower
oil group, n = 9) as the main source of fat. Gallbladder bile
and stones were sampled at surgery. After cholecystectomy,
duodenal samples were collected by nasoduodenal intubation
during fasting and after administration of mixed liquid meals
that included the corresponding dietary oil. Duodenal and
gallbladder bile samples were analyzed for cholesterol,
phospholipids, and total bile acids by established methods.
Individual bile acid conjugates in gallbladder bile were
measured by high-performance liquid chromatography. Gallstones
were analyzed by semiquantitative polarizing light microscopy.
RESULTS: Despite marked differences in the absolute
concentration of biliary lipids and total lipid content,
manipulation of dietary fat ingestion did not influence the
cholesterol saturation or the profile of individual bile acids
in gallbladder bile obtained from patients who had gallstones.
All but one subject had mixed cholesterol stones. A
cholesterol saturation index of hepatic bile in fasted
cholecystectomized patients was similar in both dietary groups
and indicative of supersaturation. In response to the test
meal, the cholesterol saturation index decreased significantly
in patients given the olive oil diet, reaching values lower
than one at 120 min postprandially. In contrast, hepatic bile
secreted by patients who consumed sunflower oil appeared
supersaturated (cholesterol saturation index >1.5) throughout
the experiment. CONCLUSIONS: Our results suggest that the type
of dietary fat habitually consumed can influence bile
composition in humans. In gallbladder, this influence was
noted in the presence of more concentrated bile in the olive
oil group. However, this was not translated into a
modification of cholesterol saturation, which is likely due to
the fact that cholesterol gallstones were present by the time
the dietary intervention started. The finding that a typical
postprandial variation in hepatic bile lithogenicity occurred
only in olive oil patients was revealing. While keeping in
mind the methodologic limitations of this part of the study,
some gastrointestinal and metabolic mechanisms for this effect
are discussed.

PMID: 15797676 [PubMed - in process]

"Pizza Girl" <nospam@4.me> wrote in message
news:1115080771.1407e62327411a6459ac2474d077a3c8@teranews...
> I got that from several personal experiences and many
> doctors.
>
> "Robert" <Robertitsme@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7tKdnQf3GtGRC-vfRVn-jA@got.net...
> >
> > "Pizza Girl" <nospam@4.me> wrote in message news:11149089-
> > 98.4bdbd40b4a2c1bc589dda7f6383377d4@teranews...
> > > Your gallbladdar needs to work. This takes fat intake.
> > > If it has
nothing
> > to
> > > do it can accumulate stones and the next time you eat
> > > fats it has to
> expel
> > > bile to assist in digestion you have a gallbladdar
> > > attack because it
is
> > > plugged up.
> >
> > Not even close. Where in the world did you get that from?
> > Stones do not accumulate because the gallbladdar has
> > nothing to do.
> >
> >
>

[Pizza Girl]

Post something relevant

"Robert" <Robertitsme@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2YOdnSUyaIUfeevfRVn-sg@got.net...
> Postgrad Med. 1991 Oct;90(5):119-26. Related Articles,
> Books, LinkOut
>
>
> Gallstone symptoms. Myth and reality.
>
> Egbert AM.
>
> Department of Internal Medicine, University of Kansas School
> of Medicine, Wichita 67214-3199.
>
> Gallstones are very common, but at least two thirds of
> detected stones are asymptomatic and a large number
> undoubtedly go undetected. The presence of symptoms or
> complications is the indication for surgery. It is important
to
> accurately identify which symptoms are caused by gallstones,
> because removing the gallbladder will relieve only these
> symptoms. Making this determination is a challenge, however,
> because the classic picture of biliary colic may be
> inaccurate and the connection between gallstone
disease
> and flatulent dyspepsia is questionable at best.
> Descriptions of both
these
> conditions are based on anecdotal evidence or reports of
> uncontrolled surgical series. A review of recent controlled
> trials suggests that the
pain
> of biliary colic is constant and infrequent, comes in
> episodes lasting 1
to
> 5 hours, is located in the epigastrium or right upper
> quadrant of the abdomen, and characteristically occurs at
> night. There are few additional symptoms other than nausea
> or vomiting, and colic is not induced by eating fatty meals.
> Flatulent dyspepsia--a symptom complex of vague pain in the
> right upper quadrant, fatty-food intolerance, and
> bloating--is probably
not
> related to the presence of gallstones in the majority of
> patients.
>
> PMID: 1924000 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
>
>
>
> Nutrition. 2005 Mar;21(3):339-47. Related Articles,
> Books, LinkOut
>
>
> Effect of the type of dietary fat on biliary lipid
> composition and bile lithogenicity in humans with
> cholesterol gallstone disease.
>
> Yago MD, Gonzalez V, Serrano P, Calpena R, Martinez MA,
> Martinez-Victoria
E,
> Manas M.
>
> Institute of Nutrition and Food Technology, Department of
> Physiology, University of Granada, Granada, Spain.
>
> OBJECTIVE: The effect of the type of dietary fat on bile
> lipids and lithogenicity is unclear. This study compared the
> effects of two dietary oils that differed in fatty acid
> profile on biliary lipid composition in humans. METHODS:
> Female patients who had cholesterol gallstones and were
> scheduled for elective cholecystectomy were studied. For 30
> d before surgery, subjects were kept on diets that contained
> olive oil (olive oil group, n = 9) or sunflower oil
> (sunflower oil group, n = 9) as the main source of fat.
> Gallbladder bile and stones were sampled at surgery. After
> cholecystectomy, duodenal samples were collected by
> nasoduodenal
intubation
> during fasting and after administration of mixed liquid
> meals that
included
> the corresponding dietary oil. Duodenal and gallbladder bile
> samples were analyzed for cholesterol, phospholipids, and
> total bile acids by
established
> methods. Individual bile acid conjugates in gallbladder bile
> were measured by high-performance liquid chromatography.
> Gallstones were analyzed by semiquantitative polarizing
> light microscopy. RESULTS: Despite marked differences in the
> absolute concentration of biliary lipids and total
lipid
> content, manipulation of dietary fat ingestion did not
> influence the cholesterol saturation or the profile of
> individual bile acids in gallbladder bile obtained from
> patients who had gallstones. All but one subject had mixed
> cholesterol stones. A cholesterol saturation index of
> hepatic bile in fasted cholecystectomized patients was
> similar in both dietary groups and indicative of
> supersaturation. In response to the test meal, the
> cholesterol saturation index decreased significantly in
> patients given the olive oil diet, reaching values lower
> than one at 120 min postprandially. In contrast, hepatic
> bile secreted by patients who
consumed
> sunflower oil appeared supersaturated (cholesterol
> saturation index >1.5) throughout the experiment.
> CONCLUSIONS: Our results suggest that the type
of
> dietary fat habitually consumed can influence bile
> composition in humans.
In
> gallbladder, this influence was noted in the presence of
> more concentrated bile in the olive oil group. However, this
> was not translated into a modification of cholesterol
> saturation, which is likely due to the fact
that
> cholesterol gallstones were present by the time the dietary
> intervention started. The finding that a typical
> postprandial variation in hepatic bile lithogenicity
> occurred only in olive oil patients was revealing. While
> keeping in mind the methodologic limitations of this part of
> the study,
some
> gastrointestinal and metabolic mechanisms for this effect
> are discussed.
>
> PMID: 15797676 [PubMed - in process]
>
> "Pizza Girl" <nospam@4.me> wrote in message news:1115080771-
> .1407e62327411a6459ac2474d077a3c8@teranews...
> > I got that from several personal experiences and many
> > doctors.
> >
> > "Robert" <Robertitsme@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:7tKdnQf3GtGRC-vfRVn-jA@got.net...
> > >
> > > "Pizza Girl" <nospam@4.me> wrote in message news:111490-
> > > 8998.4bdbd40b4a2c1bc589dda7f6383377d4@teranews...
> > > > Your gallbladdar needs to work. This takes fat intake.
> > > > If it has
> nothing
> > > to
> > > > do it can accumulate stones and the next time you eat
> > > > fats it has to
> > expel
> > > > bile to assist in digestion you have a gallbladdar
> > > > attack because it
> is
> > > > plugged up.
> > >
> > > Not even close. Where in the world did you get that
> > > from? Stones do
not
> > > accumulate because the gallbladdar has nothing to do.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

[Robert]

"Pizza Girl" <nospam@4.me> wrote in message
news:1115088234.bf3cc57410394d2c561cae8834acb2ee@teranews...
> Post something relevant
You are correct I could not find anything related to your
posting. "Your gallbladdar needs to work. This takes fat
intake. If it has nothing to do it can accumulate stones and
the next time you eat fats it has to expel bile to assist in
digestion you have a gallbladdar attack because it is
plugged up."

I could not find anything related to what you wrote. I guess
that makes it irrelevent. If I can't find it then it has to be
because I didn't look hard enough. It must exist out there as
common knoweldge. I guess one has to eat a lot of fat in order
to make the gallbaldder work properly.

>
> "Robert" <Robertitsme@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2YOdnSUyaIUfeevfRVn-sg@got.net...
> > Postgrad Med. 1991 Oct;90(5):119-26. Related Articles,
> > Books, LinkOut
> >
> >
> > Gallstone symptoms. Myth and reality.
> >
> > Egbert AM.
> >
> > Department of Internal Medicine, University of Kansas
> > School of
Medicine,
> > Wichita 67214-3199.
> >
> > Gallstones are very common, but at least two thirds of
> > detected stones
are
> > asymptomatic and a large number undoubtedly go undetected.
> > The presence
of
> > symptoms or complications is the indication for surgery.
> > It is important
> to
> > accurately identify which symptoms are caused by
> > gallstones, because removing the gallbladder will relieve
> > only these symptoms. Making this determination is a
> > challenge, however, because the classic picture of biliary
> > colic may be inaccurate and the connection between
> > gallstone
> disease
> > and flatulent dyspepsia is questionable at best.
> > Descriptions of both
> these
> > conditions are based on anecdotal evidence or reports of
> > uncontrolled surgical series. A review of recent
> > controlled trials suggests that the
> pain
> > of biliary colic is constant and infrequent, comes in
> > episodes lasting 1
> to
> > 5 hours, is located in the epigastrium or right upper
> > quadrant of the abdomen, and characteristically occurs at
> > night. There are few
additional
> > symptoms other than nausea or vomiting, and colic is not
> > induced by
eating
> > fatty meals. Flatulent dyspepsia--a symptom complex of
> > vague pain in the right upper quadrant, fatty-food
> > intolerance, and bloating--is probably
> not
> > related to the presence of gallstones in the majority of
> > patients.
> >
> > PMID: 1924000 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
> >
> >
> >
> > Nutrition. 2005 Mar;21(3):339-47. Related Articles, Books,
> > LinkOut
> >
> >
> > Effect of the type of dietary fat on biliary lipid
> > composition and bile lithogenicity in humans with
> > cholesterol gallstone disease.
> >
> > Yago MD, Gonzalez V, Serrano P, Calpena R, Martinez MA,
Martinez-Victoria
> E,
> > Manas M.
> >
> > Institute of Nutrition and Food Technology, Department of
> > Physiology, University of Granada, Granada, Spain.
> >
> > OBJECTIVE: The effect of the type of dietary fat on bile
> > lipids and lithogenicity is unclear. This study compared
> > the effects of two dietary oils that differed in fatty
> > acid profile on biliary lipid composition in humans.
> > METHODS: Female patients who had cholesterol gallstones
> > and were scheduled for elective cholecystectomy were
> > studied. For 30 d before surgery, subjects were kept on
> > diets that contained olive oil (olive oil group, n = 9) or
> > sunflower oil (sunflower oil group, n = 9) as the main
> > source of fat. Gallbladder bile and stones were sampled at
> > surgery.
After
> > cholecystectomy, duodenal samples were collected by
> > nasoduodenal
> intubation
> > during fasting and after administration of mixed liquid
> > meals that
> included
> > the corresponding dietary oil. Duodenal and gallbladder
> > bile samples
were
> > analyzed for cholesterol, phospholipids, and total bile
> > acids by
> established
> > methods. Individual bile acid conjugates in gallbladder
> > bile were
measured
> > by high-performance liquid chromatography. Gallstones were
> > analyzed by semiquantitative polarizing light microscopy.
> > RESULTS: Despite marked differences in the absolute
> > concentration of biliary lipids and total
> lipid
> > content, manipulation of dietary fat ingestion did not
> > influence the cholesterol saturation or the profile of
> > individual bile acids in gallbladder bile obtained from
> > patients who had gallstones. All but one subject had mixed
> > cholesterol stones. A cholesterol saturation index of
> > hepatic bile in fasted cholecystectomized patients was
> > similar in both dietary groups and indicative of
> > supersaturation. In response to the
test
> > meal, the cholesterol saturation index decreased
> > significantly in
patients
> > given the olive oil diet, reaching values lower than one
> > at 120 min postprandially. In contrast, hepatic bile
> > secreted by patients who
> consumed
> > sunflower oil appeared supersaturated (cholesterol
> > saturation index
>1.5)
> > throughout the experiment. CONCLUSIONS: Our results
> > suggest that the
type
> of
> > dietary fat habitually consumed can influence bile
> > composition in
humans.
> In
> > gallbladder, this influence was noted in the presence
> > of more
concentrated
> > bile in the olive oil group. However, this was not
> > translated into a modification of cholesterol saturation,
> > which is likely due to the fact
> that
> > cholesterol gallstones were present by the time the
> > dietary intervention started. The finding that a typical
> > postprandial variation in hepatic
bile
> > lithogenicity occurred only in olive oil patients was
> > revealing. While keeping in mind the methodologic
> > limitations of this part of the study,
> some
> > gastrointestinal and metabolic mechanisms for this effect
> > are discussed.
> >
> > PMID: 15797676 [PubMed - in process]
> >
> > "Pizza Girl" <nospam@4.me> wrote in message news:11150807-
> > 71.1407e62327411a6459ac2474d077a3c8@teranews...
> > > I got that from several personal experiences and many
> > > doctors.
> > >
> > > "Robert" <Robertitsme@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:7tKdnQf3GtGRC-vfRVn-jA@got.net...
> > > >
> > > > "Pizza Girl" <nospam@4.me> wrote in message news:1114-
> > > > 908998.4bdbd40b4a2c1bc589dda7f6383377d4@teranews...
> > > > > Your gallbladdar needs to work. This takes fat
> > > > > intake. If it has
> > nothing
> > > > to
> > > > > do it can accumulate stones and the next time you
> > > > > eat fats it has
to
> > > expel
> > > > > bile to assist in digestion you have a gallbladdar
> > > > > attack because
it
> > is
> > > > > plugged up.
> > > >
> > > > Not even close. Where in the world did you get that
> > > > from? Stones do
> not
> > > > accumulate because the gallbladdar has nothing to do.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

[Pizza Girl]

So then you disagree with what you stated?

"Robert" <Robertitsme@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9_6dnW_R-b68n-rfRVn-vA@got.net...
>
> "Pizza Girl" <nospam@4.me> wrote in message news:1115088234-
> .bf3cc57410394d2c561cae8834acb2ee@teranews...
> > Post something relevant
> You are correct I could not find anything related to your
> posting. "Your gallbladdar needs to work. This takes fat
> intake. If it has nothing
to
> do it can accumulate stones and the next time you eat fats
> it has to expel bile to assist in digestion you have a
> gallbladdar attack because it is plugged up."
>
> I could not find anything related to what you wrote. I guess
> that makes it irrelevent. If I can't find it then it has to
> be because I didn't look hard enough. It must exist out
> there as common knoweldge. I guess one has to eat a lot of
> fat in order to make the gallbaldder work properly.
>
> >
> > "Robert" <Robertitsme@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:2YOdnSUyaIUfeevfRVn-sg@got.net...
> > > Postgrad Med. 1991 Oct;90(5):119-26. Related Articles,
> > > Books, LinkOut
> > >
> > >
> > > Gallstone symptoms. Myth and reality.
> > >
> > > Egbert AM.
> > >
> > > Department of Internal Medicine, University of Kansas
> > > School of
> Medicine,
> > > Wichita 67214-3199.
> > >
> > > Gallstones are very common, but at least two thirds of
> > > detected stones
> are
> > > asymptomatic and a large number undoubtedly go
> > > undetected. The
presence
> of
> > > symptoms or complications is the indication for surgery.
> > > It is
important
> > to
> > > accurately identify which symptoms are caused by
> > > gallstones, because removing the gallbladder will
> > > relieve only these symptoms. Making this determination
> > > is a challenge, however, because the classic picture of
> > > biliary colic may be inaccurate and the connection
> > > between gallstone
> > disease
> > > and flatulent dyspepsia is questionable at best.
> > > Descriptions of both
> > these
> > > conditions are based on anecdotal evidence or reports of
> > > uncontrolled surgical series. A review of recent
> > > controlled trials suggests that
the
> > pain
> > > of biliary colic is constant and infrequent, comes in
> > > episodes lasting
1
> > to
> > > 5 hours, is located in the epigastrium or right upper
> > > quadrant of the abdomen, and characteristically occurs
> > > at night. There are few
> additional
> > > symptoms other than nausea or vomiting, and colic is not
> > > induced by
> eating
> > > fatty meals. Flatulent dyspepsia--a symptom complex of
> > > vague pain in
the
> > > right upper quadrant, fatty-food intolerance, and
> > > bloating--is
probably
> > not
> > > related to the presence of gallstones in the majority of
> > > patients.
> > >
> > > PMID: 1924000 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Nutrition. 2005 Mar;21(3):339-47. Related Articles,
> > > Books, LinkOut
> > >
> > >
> > > Effect of the type of dietary fat on biliary lipid
> > > composition and
bile
> > > lithogenicity in humans with cholesterol gallstone
> > > disease.
> > >
> > > Yago MD, Gonzalez V, Serrano P, Calpena R, Martinez MA,
> Martinez-Victoria
> > E,
> > > Manas M.
> > >
> > > Institute of Nutrition and Food Technology, Department
> > > of Physiology, University of Granada, Granada, Spain.
> > >
> > > OBJECTIVE: The effect of the type of dietary fat on bile
> > > lipids and lithogenicity is unclear. This study compared
> > > the effects of two
dietary
> > > oils that differed in fatty acid profile on biliary
> > > lipid composition
in
> > > humans. METHODS: Female patients who had cholesterol
> > > gallstones and
were
> > > scheduled for elective cholecystectomy were studied. For
> > > 30 d before surgery, subjects were kept on diets that
> > > contained olive oil (olive
oil
> > > group, n = 9) or sunflower oil (sunflower oil group, n =
> > > 9) as the
main
> > > source of fat. Gallbladder bile and stones were sampled
> > > at surgery.
> After
> > > cholecystectomy, duodenal samples were collected by
> > > nasoduodenal
> > intubation
> > > during fasting and after administration of mixed liquid
> > > meals that
> > included
> > > the corresponding dietary oil. Duodenal and gallbladder
> > > bile samples
> were
> > > analyzed for cholesterol, phospholipids, and total bile
> > > acids by
> > established
> > > methods. Individual bile acid conjugates in gallbladder
> > > bile were
> measured
> > > by high-performance liquid chromatography. Gallstones
> > > were analyzed by semiquantitative polarizing light
> > > microscopy. RESULTS: Despite marked differences in the
> > > absolute concentration of biliary lipids and total
> > lipid
> > > content, manipulation of dietary fat ingestion did not
> > > influence the cholesterol saturation or the profile of
> > > individual bile acids in gallbladder bile obtained from
> > > patients who had gallstones. All but
one
> > > subject had mixed cholesterol stones. A cholesterol
> > > saturation index
of
> > > hepatic bile in fasted cholecystectomized patients was
> > > similar in both dietary groups and indicative of
> > > supersaturation. In response to the
> test
> > > meal, the cholesterol saturation index decreased
> > > significantly in
> patients
> > > given the olive oil diet, reaching values lower than one
> > > at 120 min postprandially. In contrast, hepatic bile
> > > secreted by patients who
> > consumed
> > > sunflower oil appeared supersaturated (cholesterol
> > > saturation index
> >1.5)
> > > throughout the experiment. CONCLUSIONS: Our results
> > > suggest that the
> type
> > of
> > > dietary fat habitually consumed can influence bile
> > > composition in
> humans.
> > In
> > > gallbladder, this influence was noted in the presence of
> > > more
> concentrated
> > > bile in the olive oil group. However, this was not
> > > translated into a modification of cholesterol
> > > saturation, which is likely due to the
fact
> > that
> > > cholesterol gallstones were present by the time the
> > > dietary
intervention
> > > started. The finding that a typical postprandial
> > > variation in hepatic
> bile
> > > lithogenicity occurred only in olive oil patients was
> > > revealing. While keeping in mind the methodologic
> > > limitations of this part of the
study,
> > some
> > > gastrointestinal and metabolic mechanisms for this
> > > effect are
discussed.
> > >
> > > PMID: 15797676 [PubMed - in process]
> > >
> > > "Pizza Girl" <nospam@4.me> wrote in message news:111508-
> > > 0771.1407e62327411a6459ac2474d077a3c8@teranews...
> > > > I got that from several personal experiences and many
> > > > doctors.
> > > >
> > > > "Robert" <Robertitsme@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:7tKdnQf3GtGRC-vfRVn-jA@got.net...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Pizza Girl" <nospam@4.me> wrote in message news:11-
> > > > > 14908998.4bdbd40b4a2c1bc589dda7f6383377d4@teranews.-
> > > > > ..
> > > > > > Your gallbladdar needs to work. This takes fat
> > > > > > intake. If it has
> > > nothing
> > > > > to
> > > > > > do it can accumulate stones and the next time you
> > > > > > eat fats it
has
> to
> > > > expel
> > > > > > bile to assist in digestion you have a gallbladdar
> > > > > > attack
because
> it
> > > is
> > > > > > plugged up.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not even close. Where in the world did you get that
> > > > > from? Stones
do
> > not
> > > > > accumulate because the gallbladdar has nothing to
> > > > > do.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

[Roger Rabb]

Here's a few bucks, go get yourself a sarcasm detector.

rr

On Tue, 3 May 2005 17:39:08 -0400, "Pizza Girl"
<nospam@4.me> wrote:

>So then you disagree with what you stated?
>
>"Robert" <Robertitsme@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:9_6dnW_R-b68n-rfRVn-vA@got.net...
>>
>> "Pizza Girl" <nospam@4.me> wrote in message news:111508823-
>> 4.bf3cc57410394d2c561cae8834acb2ee@teranews...
>> > Post something relevant
>> You are correct I could not find anything related to your
>> posting. "Your gallbladdar needs to work. This takes fat
>> intake. If it has nothing
>to
>> do it can accumulate stones and the next time you eat fats
>> it has to expel bile to assist in digestion you have a
>> gallbladdar attack because it is plugged up."
>>
>> I could not find anything related to what you wrote. I
>> guess that makes it irrelevent. If I can't find it then it
>> has to be because I didn't look hard enough. It must exist
>> out there as common knoweldge. I guess one has to eat a lot
>> of fat in order to make the gallbaldder work properly.
>>
>> >
>> > "Robert" <Robertitsme@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:2YOdnSUyaIUfeevfRVn-sg@got.net...
>> > > Postgrad Med. 1991 Oct;90(5):119-26. Related Articles,
>> > > Books, LinkOut
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Gallstone symptoms. Myth and reality.
>> > >
>> > > Egbert AM.
>> > >
>> > > Department of Internal Medicine, University of Kansas
>> > > School of
>> Medicine,
>> > > Wichita 67214-3199.
>> > >
>> > > Gallstones are very common, but at least two thirds of
>> > > detected stones
>> are
>> > > asymptomatic and a large number undoubtedly go
>> > > undetected. The
>presence
>> of
>> > > symptoms or complications is the indication for
>> > > surgery. It is
>important
>> > to
>> > > accurately identify which symptoms are caused by
>> > > gallstones, because removing the gallbladder will
>> > > relieve only these symptoms. Making this determination
>> > > is a challenge, however, because the classic picture of
>> > > biliary colic may be inaccurate and the connection
>> > > between gallstone
>> > disease
>> > > and flatulent dyspepsia is questionable at best.
>> > > Descriptions of both
>> > these
>> > > conditions are based on anecdotal evidence or reports
>> > > of uncontrolled surgical series. A review of recent
>> > > controlled trials suggests that
>the
>> > pain
>> > > of biliary colic is constant and infrequent, comes in
>> > > episodes lasting
>1
>> > to
>> > > 5 hours, is located in the epigastrium or right upper
>> > > quadrant of the abdomen, and characteristically occurs
>> > > at night. There are few
>> additional
>> > > symptoms other than nausea or vomiting, and colic is
>> > > not induced by
>> eating
>> > > fatty meals. Flatulent dyspepsia--a symptom complex of
>> > > vague pain in
>the
>> > > right upper quadrant, fatty-food intolerance, and
>> > > bloating--is
>probably
>> > not
>> > > related to the presence of gallstones in the majority
>> > > of patients.
>> > >
>> > > PMID: 1924000 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Nutrition. 2005 Mar;21(3):339-47. Related Articles,
>> > > Books, LinkOut
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Effect of the type of dietary fat on biliary lipid
>> > > composition and
>bile
>> > > lithogenicity in humans with cholesterol gallstone
>> > > disease.
>> > >
>> > > Yago MD, Gonzalez V, Serrano P, Calpena R, Martinez MA,
>> Martinez-Victoria
>> > E,
>> > > Manas M.
>> > >
>> > > Institute of Nutrition and Food Technology, Department
>> > > of Physiology, University of Granada, Granada, Spain.
>> > >
>> > > OBJECTIVE: The effect of the type of dietary fat on
>> > > bile lipids and lithogenicity is unclear. This study
>> > > compared the effects of two
>dietary
>> > > oils that differed in fatty acid profile on biliary
>> > > lipid composition
>in
>> > > humans. METHODS: Female patients who had cholesterol
>> > > gallstones and
>were
>> > > scheduled for elective cholecystectomy were studied.
>> > > For 30 d before surgery, subjects were kept on diets
>> > > that contained olive oil (olive
>oil
>> > > group, n = 9) or sunflower oil (sunflower oil group, n
>> > > = 9) as the
>main
>> > > source of fat. Gallbladder bile and stones were sampled
>> > > at surgery.
>> After
>> > > cholecystectomy, duodenal samples were collected by
>> > > nasoduodenal
>> > intubation
>> > > during fasting and after administration of mixed liquid
>> > > meals that
>> > included
>> > > the corresponding dietary oil. Duodenal and gallbladder
>> > > bile samples
>> were
>> > > analyzed for cholesterol, phospholipids, and total bile
>> > > acids by
>> > established
>> > > methods. Individual bile acid conjugates in gallbladder
>> > > bile were
>> measured
>> > > by high-performance liquid chromatography. Gallstones
>> > > were analyzed by semiquantitative polarizing light
>> > > microscopy. RESULTS: Despite marked differences in the
>> > > absolute concentration of biliary lipids and total
>> > lipid
>> > > content, manipulation of dietary fat ingestion did not
>> > > influence the cholesterol saturation or the profile of
>> > > individual bile acids in gallbladder bile obtained from
>> > > patients who had gallstones. All but
>one
>> > > subject had mixed cholesterol stones. A cholesterol
>> > > saturation index
>of
>> > > hepatic bile in fasted cholecystectomized patients was
>> > > similar in both dietary groups and indicative of
>> > > supersaturation. In response to the
>> test
>> > > meal, the cholesterol saturation index decreased
>> > > significantly in
>> patients
>> > > given the olive oil diet, reaching values lower than
>> > > one at 120 min postprandially. In contrast, hepatic
>> > > bile secreted by patients who
>> > consumed
>> > > sunflower oil appeared supersaturated (cholesterol
>> > > saturation index
>> >1.5)
>> > > throughout the experiment. CONCLUSIONS: Our results
>> > > suggest that the
>> type
>> > of
>> > > dietary fat habitually consumed can influence bile
>> > > composition in
>> humans.
>> > In
>> > > gallbladder, this influence was noted in the presence
>> > > of more
>> concentrated
>> > > bile in the olive oil group. However, this was not
>> > > translated into a modification of cholesterol
>> > > saturation, which is likely due to the
>fact
>> > that
>> > > cholesterol gallstones were present by the time the
>> > > dietary
>intervention
>> > > started. The finding that a typical postprandial
>> > > variation in hepatic
>> bile
>> > > lithogenicity occurred only in olive oil patients was
>> > > revealing. While keeping in mind the methodologic
>> > > limitations of this part of the
>study,
>> > some
>> > > gastrointestinal and metabolic mechanisms for this
>> > > effect are
>discussed.
>> > >
>> > > PMID: 15797676 [PubMed - in process]
>> > >
>> > > "Pizza Girl" <nospam@4.me> wrote in message news:11150-
>> > > 80771.1407e62327411a6459ac2474d077a3c8@teranews...
>> > > > I got that from several personal experiences and many
>> > > > doctors.
>> > > >
>> > > > "Robert" <Robertitsme@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > > > news:7tKdnQf3GtGRC-vfRVn-jA@got.net...
>> > > > >
>> > > > > "Pizza Girl" <nospam@4.me> wrote in message news:1-
>> > > > > 114908998.4bdbd40b4a2c1bc589dda7f6383377d4@teranew-
>> > > > > s...
>> > > > > > Your gallbladdar needs to work. This takes fat
>> > > > > > intake. If it has
>> > > nothing
>> > > > > to
>> > > > > > do it can accumulate stones and the next time you
>> > > > > > eat fats it
>has
>> to
>> > > > expel
>> > > > > > bile to assist in digestion you have a
>> > > > > > gallbladdar attack
>because
>> it
>> > > is
>> > > > > > plugged up.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Not even close. Where in the world did you get that
>> > > > > from? Stones
>do
>> > not
>> > > > > accumulate because the gallbladdar has nothing to
>> > > > > do.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>