Quit Blaming Food/Diets For Everything

[NoOption5L]

Since I've started reading this newsgroup, I've heard the
blame for mankind's ills are all related to:

Soy Grains Dairy Fats Red Meat Mediterranean Diet Canola Oil
Red Wine Carbohydrates High-Glycemic Foods

And these are just a few. The thing is none of these are the
cause of the World's growing obesity/health problems, and none
of these are going to kill you. If you want to know what the
real culprit is, look no further than our lack of exercise.

Don't believe me? Ask yourself these questions.

Are you more apt to:
- Watch a basketball game on TV, or go shoot some hoops?
- Go for a drive, or go for a bike ride?
- Take you kid to a ballgame, or go play ball with your kid?
- Lift bags of groceries, or go lift weights at a gym?
- Run to the store, or run a 5K?
- Watch the ChemLawn man, or watch your garden grow?
- Rent a movie, or rent some bowling shoes?
- Walk around Walmart, or walk your dog?
- Go to bed because your bored, or go to sleep because you're
physically tired?

The bottom line is this. Eat a constant variety of whole foods
in their natural state and get off/stay off your ass. Nature
will take care of the rest.

Patrick (took the day off and only ran 4 miles)

[Pizza Girl]

I can't do all those physical things. My nutrition levels are
too low and I will die too young.

<NoOption5L@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1111955935.483470.96720@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> Since I've started reading this newsgroup, I've heard the
> blame for mankind's ills are all related to:
>
> Soy Grains Dairy Fats Red Meat Mediterranean Diet Canola Oil
> Red Wine Carbohydrates High-Glycemic Foods
>
> And these are just a few. The thing is none of these are the
> cause of the World's growing obesity/health problems, and
> none of these are going to kill you. If you want to know
> what the real culprit is, look no further than our lack of
> exercise.
>
> Don't believe me? Ask yourself these questions.
>
> Are you more apt to:
> - Watch a basketball game on TV, or go shoot some hoops?
> - Go for a drive, or go for a bike ride?
> - Take you kid to a ballgame, or go play ball with your kid?
> - Lift bags of groceries, or go lift weights at a gym?
> - Run to the store, or run a 5K?
> - Watch the ChemLawn man, or watch your garden grow?
> - Rent a movie, or rent some bowling shoes?
> - Walk around Walmart, or walk your dog?
> - Go to bed because your bored, or go to sleep because
> you're physically tired?
>
> The bottom line is this. Eat a constant variety of whole
> foods in their natural state and get off/stay off your ass.
> Nature will take care of the rest.
>
> Patrick (took the day off and only ran 4 miles)

[Alf Christ]

On 27 Mar 2005 12:38:55 -0800, NoOption5L@aol.com wrote:

>And these are just a few. The thing is none of these are the
>cause of the World's growing obesity/health problems, and
>none of these are going to kill you. If you want to know what
>the real culprit is, look no further than our lack of
>exercise.

Good words.

[banmilk]

Yeh! Keep eating shit and spend all your time jogging, etc.

[Alf Christ]

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:47:28 -0500, "Pizza Girl"
<nospam@4.me> wrote:

>I can't do all those physical things. My nutrition levels are
>too low and I will die too young.

Doubt that. But be careful in the beginning. Start
slowly, not rush.

[Pizza Girl]

Jogging rids us of freaks every day. They have heart failure
and everybody says "He was such a nice young man"

<banmilk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1111973154.798104.245760@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> Yeh! Keep eating shit and spend all your time jogging, etc.

[Pizza Girl]

LOL... You alway were the bitch!

"Alf Christophersen" <alf.christophersen@basalmed.uio.no>
wrote in message
news:3lhe41p25sgv3jmrr59skgrcf0p05202mq@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:47:28 -0500, "Pizza Girl"
> <nospam@4.me> wrote:
>
> >I can't do all those physical things. My nutrition levels
> >are too low and
I
> >will die too young.
>
> Doubt that. But be careful in the beginning. Start slowly,
> not rush.

[Mmu]

<NoOption5L@aol.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:1111955935.483470.96720@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> Since I've started reading this newsgroup, I've heard the
> blame for mankind's ills are all related to:
>
> Soy Grains Dairy Fats Red Meat Mediterranean Diet Canola Oil
> Red Wine Carbohydrates High-Glycemic Foods
>
> And these are just a few. The thing is none of these are the
> cause of the World's growing obesity/health problems, and
> none of these are going to kill you. If you want to know
> what the real culprit is, look no further than our lack of
> exercise.
>
> Don't believe me? Ask yourself these questions.
>
> Are you more apt to:
> - Watch a basketball game on TV, or go shoot some hoops?
> - Go for a drive, or go for a bike ride?
> - Take you kid to a ballgame, or go play ball with your kid?
> - Lift bags of groceries, or go lift weights at a gym?
> - Run to the store, or run a 5K?
> - Watch the ChemLawn man, or watch your garden grow?
> - Rent a movie, or rent some bowling shoes?
> - Walk around Walmart, or walk your dog?
> - Go to bed because your bored, or go to sleep because
> you're physically tired?
>
> The bottom line is this. Eat a constant variety of whole
> foods in their natural state and get off/stay off your ass.
> Nature will take care of the rest.

well put.

[Tc]

Maybe the problem is that we are not taking enough pills. Just
kidding, of course.

The bottom line is that a large number of people have
experienced life on a high-refined-carb diet and suffered from
obesity and the accompanying health problems such as IBS,
Crohn's, syndrome X, diabetes, susceptibility to colds and
infections, anxiety and depression, heart disease, etc. Many
of these same people changed their diets to a low-carb diet
and witnessed weight loss and the accompanying side-effect of
many of the health problems either going away entirely or
diminishing drastically.

The bottom line is that a low-carb real-food diet has more
variety and is infinitely healthier than a
low-fat/high-refined-carb US Food Pyramid diet. Many of us
know this to be fact.

Getting good exercise is a given. It is a very healthy thing
to do. But it is not the one and only stand-alone solution to
obesity and disease.

If you eat tons of refined carbs, exercise alone will not keep
you thin and healthy.

And even if it does keep you thin, the refined carbs are doing
serious obn-going damage to your cardio-vascular and your
endocrine systems over time. You will still become diseased.

TC

NoOption5L@aol.com wrote:
> Since I've started reading this newsgroup, I've heard the
> blame for mankind's ills are all related to:
>
> Soy Grains Dairy Fats Red Meat Mediterranean Diet Canola Oil
> Red Wine Carbohydrates High-Glycemic Foods
>
> And these are just a few. The thing is none of these are
> the cause
of
> the World's growing obesity/health problems, and none of
> these are going to kill you. If you want to know what the
> real culprit is,
look
> no further than our lack of exercise.
>
> Don't believe me? Ask yourself these questions.
>
> Are you more apt to:
> - Watch a basketball game on TV, or go shoot some hoops?
> - Go for a drive, or go for a bike ride?
> - Take you kid to a ballgame, or go play ball with your kid?
> - Lift bags of groceries, or go lift weights at a gym?
> - Run to the store, or run a 5K?
> - Watch the ChemLawn man, or watch your garden grow?
> - Rent a movie, or rent some bowling shoes?
> - Walk around Walmart, or walk your dog?
> - Go to bed because your bored, or go to sleep because
> you're physically tired?
>
> The bottom line is this. Eat a constant variety of whole
> foods in their natural state and get off/stay off your ass.
> Nature will take care of the rest.
>
> Patrick (took the day off and only ran 4 miles)

[Enrico C]

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 01:49:37 +0200, Alf Christophersen wrote
on sci.med.nutrition :

> On 27 Mar 2005 12:38:55 -0800, NoOption5L@aol.com wrote:
>
>>And these are just a few. The thing is none of these are the
>>cause of the World's growing obesity/health problems, and
>>none of these are going to kill you. If you want to know
>>what the real culprit is, look no further than our lack of
>>exercise.
>
> Good words.

Yeah!

--
Enrico C

[Greg]

Enrico C wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 01:49:37 +0200, Alf Christophersen wrote
> on sci.med.nutrition :
>
>
>>On 27 Mar 2005 12:38:55 -0800, NoOption5L@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>>And these are just a few. The thing is none of these are
>>>the cause of the World's growing obesity/health problems,
>>>and none of these are going to kill you. If you want to
>>>know what the real culprit is, look no further than our
>>>lack of exercise.
>>
>>Good words.
>
>
> Yeah!

Yeah crap. Your propensity to exercise is genetic. If you are
a natural fidgeter you are in good luck. If not our instinct
is not to exercise to conserver energy. So your solution to
the obesity problem is to everyday of your life do something
that his both hard and unnatural. That's an excellent plan.

[Alf Christ]

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 07:31:00 -0800, greg
<greg12@AOL.COM> wrote:

>Yeah crap. Your propensity to exercise is genetic. If you are
>a natural fidgeter you are in good luck. If not our instinct
>is not to exercise to conserver energy. So your solution to
>the obesity problem is to everyday of your life do something
>that his both hard and unnatural. That's an excellent plan.

Lazy boy. The problem is that mankind had to work very hard to
survive. So it has been since at least the 10000 last years.

The latest industrial revolution (computer age) has made it
possible to be lazy, but mental stress is not lessened.

Mental stress increase breakdown of glycogen to feed your
muscles to escape from the enemies. But unfortunately, there
are no physical enemies around hunting you. So the adipocytes
has to tidy up and convert all the glucose freed and turn it
into fat, which never get mobilized because you are not doing
any kind of physical work anymore, barely moving your fingers.
Then you are stuck into it.More fattiness increase mental
stress because people are telling you to slim, Increased
mental stress increase adrenalin release that signal even more
glycogen breakdown (and also glucagon release), but since you
are not burning glucose and muscle cells are completely
inactive, no sugar are taken up to be burnt as fuel, so even
more are taken up by adipocytes and even more fat produced and
stored and fattier you turn and so on and so on and so on
until your chair is collapsing or the stage up to your bedroom
is collapsing, making a final end to your fatty life. (I once
saw a movie about a real fat lady, they had to burn the house
because no one was able to get the dead body out of the
bedroom, weighing more than 400 kg)

[NoOption5L]

greg wrote:

> >>>And these are just a few. The thing is none of these
> >>>are the
cause of
> >>>the World's growing obesity/health problems, and none of
> >>>these are going to kill you. If you want to know what the
> >>>real culprit is,
look
> >>>no further than our lack of exercise.

> >>Good words.

> > Yeah!

> Yeah crap. Your propensity to exercise is genetic. If
> you are a
natural
> fidgeter you are in good luck. If not our instinct is not to
> exercise
to
> conserver energy. So your solution to the obesity
> problem is to
everyday
> of your life do something that his both hard and unnatural.
> That's an

> excellent plan.

Greg,

First, describe your body size, shape and your fitness level.
Then read the following.

---
Not everyone may feel this way, but new research argues that
humans evolved to become natural runners.

>From our spring-loaded ligaments to our muscular behinds to
>our ability
to sweat, the human body took the ideal shape of a
long-distance runner starting some 2 million years ago, the
researchers say. The long, lean build helped us scavenge
widely scattered kills and could also have been an advantage
when hunting down prey over long distances.

Top Stories

* Microsoft Launches Portable TV Service
* RadioYourWay Great for Radio Junkies
* Wireless Device Can Monitor Patients

"We're lousy sprinters, but we're really great long-distance
runners," said Daniel Lieberman, an anthropologist at Harvard
University. "Anyone who jogs regularly can tell you that it
feels good."

How can two legs be better than four when it comes to
striding for long distances? Consider the fact that some
334,000 people ran marathons in the United States last year,
and then try getting an antelope to run 26 miles, or a chimp,
for that matter.

"You'd never beat a chimp in a 100-meter dash, but you could
never get them to run a marathon," he said. "And they wouldn't
like trying."

Evolutionary biologists have generally credited humans'
ability to run as an offshoot of our ability to walk on two
feet.

"How can anyone even conceive of an animal evolving a walking
strategy that was entirely decoupled from a running strategy?"
asks C. Owen Lovejoy of Kent State University in Kent, Ohio.

But in a study appearing in this week's issue of "Nature,"
Harvard's Lieberman and Dennis Bramble of the University of
Utah argue that endurance running may have been so critical in
early humans' survival that it played a role in shaping many
aspects of our bodies.

Runners From Head to Toe

The pair studied both modern human anatomy and the fossil
record of early human ancestors to look for characteristics
that would have specifically enhanced people's ability to run
for long distances. They say most, if not all of these key
features seem to have emerged 2 million years ago with the
first appearances of the genus Homo - the same group as modern
living humans.

The peroneus brevis tendon, for example, made famous by Red
Sox pitcher Curt Schilling's injury during the 2004 World
Series, is one of several elongated tendons in the human body
that the authors argue provides critical spring as a person
runs. In apes and chimpanzees, the same tendons are much
shorter, says Lieberman, and don't offer the same kind of
spring-loading action.

Then there is the gluteus maximus - the unusually large muscle
humans carry at their rear. Why such bulk in back? Lieberman
says it's for running and, again, this feature is less
pronounced in our evolutionary ancestors.

"When we walk, we barely use the gluteus maximus," he said.
"As soon as you start running, it plays a vital role to keep
you from falling - it stabilizes your trunk."

Other features the authors list that help us run include the
arches in our feet, which offer spring in our step, and
broad surface areas of our joints, which help distribute the
shock of impact from running - at least enough for ancient
man, who didn't run on pavement and who never lived much
longer than 40 years.

The upper body, meanwhile, carries its own made-for-running
designs, including wide shoulders - good for swinging arms
from for balance as we stride - and lighter forearms that are
easy to move back and forth. Even our heads are equipped for
running, they say, as a large ligament stretching from our
spines to the back of our heads acts to dampen the oscillation
of our heads as we plod along.

Finally, our ability to sweat is unmatched with our estimated
3 million sweat glands. Couple that with the fact that we
aren't very furry and you have a cool, running machine.

Jogging for Supper

Bernd Heinrich, a world record holder in the ultra marathon
and biologist at the University of Vermont in Burlington, says
the authors' points make sense.

"Most of us don't do much running so it may not feel natural,
but it feels natural to me," he said. "Not much is new here,
but I think they bring together a lot of evidence so it all
fits into a pattern."
---

Patrick

[NoOption5L]

banmilk@hotmail.com wrote:

> Yeh! Keep eating shit

Whole foods are "shit"? Maybe you should describe to us about
your healthful diet.

> and spend all your time jogging, etc.

What's wrong with fitness? And what, don't you exercise...?

Patrick

[Montygram]

If you review the literature, old as well as new, you will see
that cancer incidence for different cancers have changed
dramatically in the twentieth century as diets changed. If you
think this is a coincidence, fine. I've found biochemical
mechanisms that explain why. Exercise creates oxidative stress
in your body. Studies have demonstrated that eating some
raisins helps, due to their high antioxidant content. Why did
our active forefathers have such high rates of stomach cancer
while we lazy people don't? You need to do some reading. You
are in a black and white world, possibly because you watch too
much Hannity and Combs, or shows like that - reality is more
complicated - you need to think a bit outside the box. You
seem to be clinging to the inside of it with all your might.

[NoOption5L]

Pizza Girl wrote:
> I guess I have a throat so I should drink gallons of
> whiskey each
hour then
> too?

Yes, for *you* that would be highly recommended.

Patrick

> <NoOption5L@aol.com> wrote in message news:1112241846.77696-
> 8.102460@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> > greg wrote:
> >
> > > >>>And these are just a few. The thing is none of these
> > > >>>are the
> > cause of
> > > >>>the World's growing obesity/health problems, and none
> > > >>>of these
are
> > > >>>going to kill you. If you want to know what the real
> > > >>>culprit
is,
> > look
> > > >>>no further than our lack of exercise.
> >
> > > >>Good words.
> >
> > > > Yeah!
> >
> > > Yeah crap. Your propensity to exercise is genetic. If
> > > you are a
> > natural
> > > fidgeter you are in good luck. If not our instinct is
> > > not to
exercise
> > to
> > > conserver energy. So your solution to the obesity
> > > problem is to
> > everyday
> > > of your life do something that his both hard and
> > > unnatural.
That's an
> >
> > > excellent plan.
> >
> > Greg,
> >
> > First, describe your body size, shape and your fitness
> > level. Then read the following.
> >
> > ---
> > Not everyone may feel this way, but new research argues
> > that humans evolved to become natural runners.
> >
> > >From our spring-loaded ligaments to our muscular behinds
> > >to our
ability
> > to sweat, the human body took the ideal shape of a
> > long-distance
runner
> > starting some 2 million years ago, the researchers say.
> > The long,
lean
> > build helped us scavenge widely scattered kills and could
> > also have been an advantage when hunting down prey over
> > long distances.
> >
> > Top Stories
> >
> > * Microsoft Launches Portable TV Service
> > * RadioYourWay Great for Radio Junkies
> > * Wireless Device Can Monitor Patients
> >
> > "We're lousy sprinters, but we're really great
> > long-distance
runners,"
> > said Daniel Lieberman, an anthropologist at Harvard
> > University.
"Anyone
> > who jogs regularly can tell you that it feels good."
> >
> > How can two legs be better than four when it comes to
> > striding for
long
> > distances? Consider the fact that some 334,000 people ran
> > marathons
in
> > the United States last year, and then try getting an
> > antelope to
run 26
> > miles, or a chimp, for that matter.
> >
> > "You'd never beat a chimp in a 100-meter dash, but you
> > could never
get
> > them to run a marathon," he said. "And they wouldn't like
> > trying."
> >
> > Evolutionary biologists have generally credited humans'
> > ability to
run
> > as an offshoot of our ability to walk on two feet.
> >
> > "How can anyone even conceive of an animal evolving a
> > walking
strategy
> > that was entirely decoupled from a running strategy?" asks
> > C. Owen Lovejoy of Kent State University in Kent, Ohio.
> >
> > But in a study appearing in this week's issue of "Nature,"
Harvard's
> > Lieberman and Dennis Bramble of the University of Utah
> > argue that endurance running may have been so critical in
> > early humans'
survival
> > that it played a role in shaping many aspects of our
> > bodies.
> >
> > Runners From Head to Toe
> >
> > The pair studied both modern human anatomy and the fossil
> > record of early human ancestors to look for
> > characteristics that would have specifically enhanced
> > people's ability to run for long distances.
They
> > say most, if not all of these key features seem to have
> > emerged 2 million years ago with the first appearances of
> > the genus Homo -
the
> > same group as modern living humans.
> >
> > The peroneus brevis tendon, for example, made famous by
> > Red Sox
pitcher
> > Curt Schilling's injury during the 2004 World Series, is
> > one of
several
> > elongated tendons in the human body that the authors argue
> > provides critical spring as a person runs. In apes and
> > chimpanzees, the same tendons are much shorter, says
> > Lieberman, and don't offer the same
kind
> > of spring-loading action.
> >
> > Then there is the gluteus maximus - the unusually large
> > muscle
humans
> > carry at their rear. Why such bulk in back? Lieberman says
> > it's for running and, again, this feature is less
> > pronounced in our
evolutionary
> > ancestors.
> >
> > "When we walk, we barely use the gluteus maximus," he
> > said. "As
soon as
> > you start running, it plays a vital role to keep you from
> > falling - it stabilizes your trunk."
> >
> > Other features the authors list that help us run include
> > the arches
in
> > our feet, which offer spring in our step, and broad
> > surface areas
of
> > our joints, which help distribute the shock of impact from
> > running
-
> > at least enough for ancient man, who didn't run on
> > pavement and who never lived much longer than 40 years.
> >
> > The upper body, meanwhile, carries its own
> > made-for-running
designs,
> > including wide shoulders - good for swinging arms from for
> > balance
as
> > we stride - and lighter forearms that are easy to move
> > back and forth. Even our heads are equipped for running,
> > they say, as a
large
> > ligament stretching from our spines to the back of our
> > heads acts
to
> > dampen the oscillation of our heads as we plod along.
> >
> > Finally, our ability to sweat is unmatched with our
> > estimated 3
million
> > sweat glands. Couple that with the fact that we aren't
> > very furry
and
> > you have a cool, running machine.
> >
> > Jogging for Supper
> >
> > Bernd Heinrich, a world record holder in the ultra
> > marathon and biologist at the University of Vermont in
> > Burlington, says the
authors'
> > points make sense.
> >
> > "Most of us don't do much running so it may not feel
> > natural, but
it
> > feels natural to me," he said. "Not much is new here, but
> > I think
they
> > bring together a lot of evidence so it all fits into a
> > pattern."
> > ---
> >
> > Patrick

[NoOption5L]

montygram wrote:
> If you review the literature, old as well as new, you will
> see that cancer incidence for different cancers have changed
> dramatically in
the
> twentieth century as diets changed.

I don't doubt that. With the shit the average person consumes,
it's amazing people live as long as they do.

> If you think this is a coincidence, fine. I've found
> biochemical
mechanisms > that explain why. Exercise creates oxidative
stress in your body.

Yes, it does stress the body, but the stress of exercise
strengthens
it.

> Studies have demonstrated that eating some raisins
> helps, due to
their high
> antioxidant content.

Just raisins, huh? Did you know blueberries are higher?
Cranberries, blackberries, pomegranates, beans, artichokes,
and Russet potatoes, pecans, walnuts and hazelnuts, ground
cloves, ground cinnamon and oregano are also high in
antioxidants.

> Why did our active forefathers have such high rates of
> stomach cancer while we lazy people don't?

So you're saying exercise increases the risk of stomach
cancer? LOL Please point me to this study!

> You need to do some reading. You are in a black and
> white world,
possibly
> because you watch too much Hannity and Combs, or shows
> like that

Sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about because I
watch *very* little TV.

> - reality is more complicated - you need to think a bit
> outside the
box. You > seem to be clinging to the inside of it with all
your might.

The box I'm living in is called the planet Earth. You on
the other hand, must be from Pluto if you think exercise is
bad for you.

I'll tell you what... you better get off your fat butt, or
you'll soon be a heart attack waiting to happen.

Patrick Runs 1.5 miles in 9:32 and 13.1 in 1:39:17. Next
up, 4.4 miles in less than 30, and this is from a guy
who's over 40.

[Robert]

"montygram" <nazztrader@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1112337674.763213.39070@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> If you review the literature, old as well as new, you will
> see that cancer incidence for different cancers have changed
> dramatically in the twentieth century as diets changed.
I guess it was only diet that changed and not environmentals.
Longevity has increased so older people do get a higher
incidense of cancer. I love the way you over simply everything
in order to make it understandable for everybody.

If you think this is a
> coincidence, fine. I've found biochemical mechanisms that
> explain why. Exercise creates oxidative stress in your body.
> Studies have demonstrated that eating some raisins helps,
> due to their high antioxidant content. Why did our active
> forefathers have such high rates of stomach cancer while we
> lazy people don't? You need to do some reading.

Please give us an over simplified explanation on stomach
cancer rates.

You are in a black and white world, possibly because you
> watch too much Hannity and Combs, or shows like that -
> reality is more complicated - you need to think a bit
> outside the box. You seem to be clinging to the inside of it
> with all your might.
>
If there is anybody in a black and white world it is you.
Oxidants are bad and anti-oxidants are good. You would be dead
without oxidants. You obviously think outside the box. Way
outside the box. There is nothing remotely conventional in
your thinking.

[Pizza Girl]

I guess I have a throat so I should drink gallons of whiskey
each hour then too?

Unbelieveble nonsense logic.

<NoOption5L@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1112241846.776968.102460@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> greg wrote:
>
> > >>>And these are just a few. The thing is none of these
> > >>>are the
> cause of
> > >>>the World's growing obesity/health problems, and none
> > >>>of these are going to kill you. If you want to know
> > >>>what the real culprit is,
> look
> > >>>no further than our lack of exercise.
>
> > >>Good words.
>
> > > Yeah!
>
> > Yeah crap. Your propensity to exercise is genetic. If
> > you are a
> natural
> > fidgeter you are in good luck. If not our instinct is not
> > to exercise
> to
> > conserver energy. So your solution to the obesity
> > problem is to
> everyday
> > of your life do something that his both hard and
> > unnatural. That's an
>
> > excellent plan.
>
> Greg,
>
> First, describe your body size, shape and your fitness
> level. Then read the following.
>
> ---
> Not everyone may feel this way, but new research argues that
> humans evolved to become natural runners.
>
> >From our spring-loaded ligaments to our muscular behinds to
> >our ability
> to sweat, the human body took the ideal shape of a
> long-distance runner starting some 2 million years ago, the
> researchers say. The long, lean build helped us scavenge
> widely scattered kills and could also have been an advantage
> when hunting down prey over long distances.
>
> Top Stories
>
> * Microsoft Launches Portable TV Service
> * RadioYourWay Great for Radio Junkies
> * Wireless Device Can Monitor Patients
>
> "We're lousy sprinters, but we're really great long-distance
> runners," said Daniel Lieberman, an anthropologist at
> Harvard University. "Anyone who jogs regularly can tell you
> that it feels good."
>
> How can two legs be better than four when it comes to
> striding for long distances? Consider the fact that some
> 334,000 people ran marathons in the United States last year,
> and then try getting an antelope to run 26 miles, or a
> chimp, for that matter.
>
> "You'd never beat a chimp in a 100-meter dash, but you could
> never get them to run a marathon," he said. "And they
> wouldn't like trying."
>
> Evolutionary biologists have generally credited humans'
> ability to run as an offshoot of our ability to walk on
> two feet.
>
> "How can anyone even conceive of an animal evolving a
> walking strategy that was entirely decoupled from a running
> strategy?" asks C. Owen Lovejoy of Kent State University in
> Kent, Ohio.
>
> But in a study appearing in this week's issue of "Nature,"
> Harvard's Lieberman and Dennis Bramble of the University of
> Utah argue that endurance running may have been so critical
> in early humans' survival that it played a role in shaping
> many aspects of our bodies.
>
> Runners From Head to Toe
>
> The pair studied both modern human anatomy and the fossil
> record of early human ancestors to look for characteristics
> that would have specifically enhanced people's ability to
> run for long distances. They say most, if not all of these
> key features seem to have emerged 2 million years ago with
> the first appearances of the genus Homo - the same group as
> modern living humans.
>
> The peroneus brevis tendon, for example, made famous by Red
> Sox pitcher Curt Schilling's injury during the 2004 World
> Series, is one of several elongated tendons in the human
> body that the authors argue provides critical spring as a
> person runs. In apes and chimpanzees, the same tendons are
> much shorter, says Lieberman, and don't offer the same kind
> of spring-loading action.
>
> Then there is the gluteus maximus - the unusually large
> muscle humans carry at their rear. Why such bulk in back?
> Lieberman says it's for running and, again, this feature is
> less pronounced in our evolutionary ancestors.
>
> "When we walk, we barely use the gluteus maximus," he said.
> "As soon as you start running, it plays a vital role to keep
> you from falling - it stabilizes your trunk."
>
> Other features the authors list that help us run include the
> arches in our feet, which offer spring in our step, and
> broad surface areas of our joints, which help distribute the
> shock of impact from running - at least enough for ancient
> man, who didn't run on pavement and who never lived much
> longer than 40 years.
>
> The upper body, meanwhile, carries its own made-for-running
> designs, including wide shoulders - good for swinging arms
> from for balance as we stride - and lighter forearms that
> are easy to move back and forth. Even our heads are equipped
> for running, they say, as a large ligament stretching from
> our spines to the back of our heads acts to dampen the
> oscillation of our heads as we plod along.
>
> Finally, our ability to sweat is unmatched with our
> estimated 3 million sweat glands. Couple that with the fact
> that we aren't very furry and you have a cool, running
> machine.
>
> Jogging for Supper
>
> Bernd Heinrich, a world record holder in the ultra marathon
> and biologist at the University of Vermont in Burlington,
> says the authors' points make sense.
>
> "Most of us don't do much running so it may not feel
> natural, but it feels natural to me," he said. "Not much is
> new here, but I think they bring together a lot of evidence
> so it all fits into a pattern."
> ---
>
> Patrick

[Rene]

<NoOption5L@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1112241846.776968.102460@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> ---
> Not everyone may feel this way, but new research argues that
> humans evolved to become natural runners.
>
>>From our spring-loaded ligaments to our muscular behinds to
>>our ability
> to sweat, the human body took the ideal shape of a
> long-distance runner starting some 2 million years ago, the
> researchers say. The long, lean build helped us scavenge
> widely scattered kills and could also have been an advantage
> when hunting down prey over long distances.
>
> Top Stories
>
> * Microsoft Launches Portable TV Service
> * RadioYourWay Great for Radio Junkies
> * Wireless Device Can Monitor Patients
>
> "We're lousy sprinters, but we're really great long-distance
> runners," said Daniel Lieberman, an anthropologist at
> Harvard University. "Anyone who jogs regularly can tell you
> that it feels good."
>
> How can two legs be better than four when it comes to
> striding for long distances? Consider the fact that some
> 334,000 people ran marathons in the United States last year,
> and then try getting an antelope to run 26 miles, or a
> chimp, for that matter.
>
> "You'd never beat a chimp in a 100-meter dash, but you could
> never get them to run a marathon," he said. "And they
> wouldn't like trying."
>
> Evolutionary biologists have generally credited humans'
> ability to run as an offshoot of our ability to walk on
> two feet.
>
> "How can anyone even conceive of an animal evolving a
> walking strategy that was entirely decoupled from a running
> strategy?" asks C. Owen Lovejoy of Kent State University in
> Kent, Ohio.
>
> But in a study appearing in this week's issue of "Nature,"
> Harvard's Lieberman and Dennis Bramble of the University of
> Utah argue that endurance running may have been so critical
> in early humans' survival that it played a role in shaping
> many aspects of our bodies.
>
> Runners From Head to Toe
>
> The pair studied both modern human anatomy and the fossil
> record of early human ancestors to look for characteristics
> that would have specifically enhanced people's ability to
> run for long distances. They say most, if not all of these
> key features seem to have emerged 2 million years ago with
> the first appearances of the genus Homo - the same group as
> modern living humans.
>
> The peroneus brevis tendon, for example, made famous by Red
> Sox pitcher Curt Schilling's injury during the 2004 World
> Series, is one of several elongated tendons in the human
> body that the authors argue provides critical spring as a
> person runs. In apes and chimpanzees, the same tendons are
> much shorter, says Lieberman, and don't offer the same kind
> of spring-loading action.
>
> Then there is the gluteus maximus - the unusually large
> muscle humans carry at their rear. Why such bulk in back?
> Lieberman says it's for running and, again, this feature is
> less pronounced in our evolutionary ancestors.
>
> "When we walk, we barely use the gluteus maximus," he said.
> "As soon as you start running, it plays a vital role to keep
> you from falling - it stabilizes your trunk."
>
> Other features the authors list that help us run include the
> arches in our feet, which offer spring in our step, and
> broad surface areas of our joints, which help distribute the
> shock of impact from running - at least enough for ancient
> man, who didn't run on pavement and who never lived much
> longer than 40 years.
>
> The upper body, meanwhile, carries its own made-for-running
> designs, including wide shoulders - good for swinging arms
> from for balance as we stride - and lighter forearms that
> are easy to move back and forth. Even our heads are equipped
> for running, they say, as a large ligament stretching from
> our spines to the back of our heads acts to dampen the
> oscillation of our heads as we plod along.
>
> Finally, our ability to sweat is unmatched with our
> estimated 3 million sweat glands. Couple that with the fact
> that we aren't very furry and you have a cool, running
> machine.
>
> Jogging for Supper
>
> Bernd Heinrich, a world record holder in the ultra marathon
> and biologist at the University of Vermont in Burlington,
> says the authors' points make sense.
>
> "Most of us don't do much running so it may not feel
> natural, but it feels natural to me," he said. "Not much is
> new here, but I think they bring together a lot of evidence
> so it all fits into a pattern."
> ---
>
> Patrick
>
>
I'll stick to bicycling thank you.. So much easier on the
joints and soft tissues. I was a runner when I was younger and
loved it. I just don't think it is good to continue the damage
for too long.

Now, on the other hand, Kenyans seem to be built to run. They
are awesome! Of the very few that I have seen in person, they
have wonderful skin, great skeletal structure, beautiful teeth
(this is all very important to Weston A. Price followers). Has
anyone ever studied what the diet of their country is? I have
no idea about longevity, CVD, cancer, etc., for Kenya. They
just seem to radiate good health. I suppose the few I have
seen might not truly represent the majority though.

René

[Pizza Girl]

The unbelievable nonsense was incorrect. For you it is totally
believable.

<NoOption5L@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1112408286.433858.64430@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Pizza Girl wrote:
> > I guess I have a throat so I should drink gallons of
> > whiskey each
> hour then
> > too?
>
> Yes, for *you* that would be highly recommended.
>
> Patrick
>
>
> > <NoOption5L@aol.com> wrote in message news:1112241846.776-
> > 968.102460@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> > > greg wrote:
> > >
> > > > >>>And these are just a few. The thing is none of
> > > > >>>these are the
> > > cause of
> > > > >>>the World's growing obesity/health problems, and
> > > > >>>none of these
> are
> > > > >>>going to kill you. If you want to know what the
> > > > >>>real culprit
> is,
> > > look
> > > > >>>no further than our lack of exercise.
> > >
> > > > >>Good words.
> > >
> > > > > Yeah!
> > >
> > > > Yeah crap. Your propensity to exercise is genetic. If
> > > > you are a
> > > natural
> > > > fidgeter you are in good luck. If not our instinct is
> > > > not to
> exercise
> > > to
> > > > conserver energy. So your solution to the obesity
> > > > problem is to
> > > everyday
> > > > of your life do something that his both hard and
> > > > unnatural.
> That's an
> > >
> > > > excellent plan.
> > >
> > > Greg,
> > >
> > > First, describe your body size, shape and your fitness
> > > level. Then read the following.
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Not everyone may feel this way, but new research argues
> > > that humans evolved to become natural runners.
> > >
> > > >From our spring-loaded ligaments to our muscular
> > > >behinds to our
> ability
> > > to sweat, the human body took the ideal shape of a
> > > long-distance
> runner
> > > starting some 2 million years ago, the researchers say.
> > > The long,
> lean
> > > build helped us scavenge widely scattered kills and
> > > could also have been an advantage when hunting down prey
> > > over long distances.
> > >
> > > Top Stories
> > >
> > > * Microsoft Launches Portable TV Service
> > > * RadioYourWay Great for Radio Junkies
> > > * Wireless Device Can Monitor Patients
> > >
> > > "We're lousy sprinters, but we're really great
> > > long-distance
> runners,"
> > > said Daniel Lieberman, an anthropologist at Harvard
> > > University.
> "Anyone
> > > who jogs regularly can tell you that it feels good."
> > >
> > > How can two legs be better than four when it comes to
> > > striding for
> long
> > > distances? Consider the fact that some 334,000 people
> > > ran marathons
> in
> > > the United States last year, and then try getting an
> > > antelope to
> run 26
> > > miles, or a chimp, for that matter.
> > >
> > > "You'd never beat a chimp in a 100-meter dash, but you
> > > could never
> get
> > > them to run a marathon," he said. "And they wouldn't
> > > like trying."
> > >
> > > Evolutionary biologists have generally credited humans'
> > > ability to
> run
> > > as an offshoot of our ability to walk on two feet.
> > >
> > > "How can anyone even conceive of an animal evolving a
> > > walking
> strategy
> > > that was entirely decoupled from a running strategy?"
> > > asks C. Owen Lovejoy of Kent State University in Kent,
> > > Ohio.
> > >
> > > But in a study appearing in this week's issue of
> > > "Nature,"
> Harvard's
> > > Lieberman and Dennis Bramble of the University of Utah
> > > argue that endurance running may have been so critical
> > > in early humans'
> survival
> > > that it played a role in shaping many aspects of our
> > > bodies.
> > >
> > > Runners From Head to Toe
> > >
> > > The pair studied both modern human anatomy and the
> > > fossil record of early human ancestors to look for
> > > characteristics that would have specifically enhanced
> > > people's ability to run for long distances.
> They
> > > say most, if not all of these key features seem to have
> > > emerged 2 million years ago with the first appearances
> > > of the genus Homo -
> the
> > > same group as modern living humans.
> > >
> > > The peroneus brevis tendon, for example, made famous by
> > > Red Sox
> pitcher
> > > Curt Schilling's injury during the 2004 World Series, is
> > > one of
> several
> > > elongated tendons in the human body that the authors
> > > argue provides critical spring as a person runs. In apes
> > > and chimpanzees, the same tendons are much shorter, says
> > > Lieberman, and don't offer the same
> kind
> > > of spring-loading action.
> > >
> > > Then there is the gluteus maximus - the unusually large
> > > muscle
> humans
> > > carry at their rear. Why such bulk in back? Lieberman
> > > says it's for running and, again, this feature is less
> > > pronounced in our
> evolutionary
> > > ancestors.
> > >
> > > "When we walk, we barely use the gluteus maximus," he
> > > said. "As
> soon as
> > > you start running, it plays a vital role to keep you
> > > from falling - it stabilizes your trunk."
> > >
> > > Other features the authors list that help us run include
> > > the arches
> in
> > > our feet, which offer spring in our step, and broad
> > > surface areas
> of
> > > our joints, which help distribute the shock of impact
> > > from running
> -
> > > at least enough for ancient man, who didn't run on
> > > pavement and who never lived much longer than 40 years.
> > >
> > > The upper body, meanwhile, carries its own
> > > made-for-running
> designs,
> > > including wide shoulders - good for swinging arms from
> > > for balance
> as
> > > we stride - and lighter forearms that are easy to move
> > > back and forth. Even our heads are equipped for running,
> > > they say, as a
> large
> > > ligament stretching from our spines to the back of our
> > > heads acts
> to
> > > dampen the oscillation of our heads as we plod along.
> > >
> > > Finally, our ability to sweat is unmatched with our
> > > estimated 3
> million
> > > sweat glands. Couple that with the fact that we aren't
> > > very furry
> and
> > > you have a cool, running machine.
> > >
> > > Jogging for Supper
> > >
> > > Bernd Heinrich, a world record holder in the ultra
> > > marathon and biologist at the University of Vermont in
> > > Burlington, says the
> authors'
> > > points make sense.
> > >
> > > "Most of us don't do much running so it may not feel
> > > natural, but
> it
> > > feels natural to me," he said. "Not much is new here,
> > > but I think
> they
> > > bring together a lot of evidence so it all fits into a
> > > pattern."
> > > ---
> > >
> > > Patrick
>

[NoOption5L]

Rene wrote:
> <NoOption5L@aol.com> wrote in message news:1112241846.77696-
> 8.102460@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

> > Not everyone may feel this way, but new research argues
> > that humans evolved to become natural runners.

> >>From our spring-loaded ligaments to our muscular behinds
> >>to our
ability
> > to sweat, the human body took the ideal shape of a
> > long-distance
runner
> > starting some 2 million years ago, the researchers say.
> > The long,
lean
> > build helped us scavenge widely scattered kills and could
> > also have been an advantage when hunting down prey over
> > long distances.

> > Top Stories

> > * Microsoft Launches Portable TV Service
> > * RadioYourWay Great for Radio Junkies
> > * Wireless Device Can Monitor Patients

> > "We're lousy sprinters, but we're really great
> > long-distance
runners,"
> > said Daniel Lieberman, an anthropologist at Harvard
> > University.
"Anyone
> > who jogs regularly can tell you that it feels good."
> >
> > How can two legs be better than four when it comes to
> > striding for
long
> > distances? Consider the fact that some 334,000 people ran
> > marathons
in
> > the United States last year, and then try getting an
> > antelope to
run 26
> > miles, or a chimp, for that matter.
> >
> > "You'd never beat a chimp in a 100-meter dash, but you
> > could never
get
> > them to run a marathon," he said. "And they wouldn't like
> > trying."
> >
> > Evolutionary biologists have generally credited humans'
> > ability to
run
> > as an offshoot of our ability to walk on two feet.
> >
> > "How can anyone even conceive of an animal evolving a
> > walking
strategy
> > that was entirely decoupled from a running strategy?" asks
> > C. Owen Lovejoy of Kent State University in Kent, Ohio.
> >
> > But in a study appearing in this week's issue of "Nature,"
Harvard's
> > Lieberman and Dennis Bramble of the University of Utah
> > argue that endurance running may have been so critical in
> > early humans'
survival
> > that it played a role in shaping many aspects of our
> > bodies.
> >
> > Runners From Head to Toe
> >
> > The pair studied both modern human anatomy and the fossil
> > record of early human ancestors to look for
> > characteristics that would have specifically enhanced
> > people's ability to run for long distances.
They
> > say most, if not all of these key features seem to have
> > emerged 2 million years ago with the first appearances of
> > the genus Homo -
the
> > same group as modern living humans.
> >
> > The peroneus brevis tendon, for example, made famous by
> > Red Sox
pitcher
> > Curt Schilling's injury during the 2004 World Series, is
> > one of
several
> > elongated tendons in the human body that the authors argue
> > provides critical spring as a person runs. In apes and
> > chimpanzees, the same tendons are much shorter, says
> > Lieberman, and don't offer the same
kind
> > of spring-loading action.
> >
> > Then there is the gluteus maximus - the unusually large
> > muscle
humans
> > carry at their rear. Why such bulk in back? Lieberman says
> > it's for running and, again, this feature is less
> > pronounced in our
evolutionary
> > ancestors.
> >
> > "When we walk, we barely use the gluteus maximus," he
> > said. "As
soon as
> > you start running, it plays a vital role to keep you from
> > falling - it stabilizes your trunk."
> >
> > Other features the authors list that help us run include
> > the arches
in
> > our feet, which offer spring in our step, and broad
> > surface areas
of
> > our joints, which help distribute the shock of impact from
> > running
-
> > at least enough for ancient man, who didn't run on
> > pavement and who never lived much longer than 40 years.
> >
> > The upper body, meanwhile, carries its own
> > made-for-running
designs,
> > including wide shoulders - good for swinging arms from for
> > balance
as
> > we stride - and lighter forearms that are easy to move
> > back and forth. Even our heads are equipped for running,
> > they say, as a
large
> > ligament stretching from our spines to the back of our
> > heads acts
to
> > dampen the oscillation of our heads as we plod along.
> >
> > Finally, our ability to sweat is unmatched with our
> > estimated 3
million
> > sweat glands. Couple that with the fact that we aren't
> > very furry
and
> > you have a cool, running machine.
> >
> > Jogging for Supper
> >
> > Bernd Heinrich, a world record holder in the ultra
> > marathon and biologist at the University of Vermont in
> > Burlington, says the
authors'
> > points make sense.
> >
> > "Most of us don't do much running so it may not feel
> > natural, but
it
> > feels natural to me," he said. "Not much is new here, but
> > I think
they
> > bring together a lot of evidence so it all fits into a
> > pattern."

> I'll stick to bicycling thank you.. So much easier on the
> joints and
soft
> tissues. I was a runner when I was younger and loved
> it. I just
don't
> think it is good to continue the damage for too long.

Rene,

Good point.

I think the keys though are good shoes, running on a "soft"
surface, and keeping your body weight down. So I make sure to
replace my shoes about every year, I run on a treadmill with a
"flex deck" for all my race prep, and for me I like to keep my
weight at about 165 for my 5'9" frame.

> Now, on the other hand, Kenyans seem to be built to run.
> They are
awesome!
> Of the very few that I have seen in person, they have
> wonderful skin,
great
> skeletal structure, beautiful teeth (this is all very
> important to
Weston A.
> Price followers). Has anyone ever studied what the diet
> of their
country
> is? I have no idea about longevity, CVD, cancer, etc.,
> for Kenya.
They
> just seem to radiate good health. I suppose the few I
> have seen
might not
> truly represent the majority though.

I think they also benefit from high-elevation training, right?
It would be interesting to study their habit. It's also
interesting to look at some of the best ulta runners, people
who run for distances further than 26 miles (some go for over
200 miles). The Kenyans don't have a lock on these types of
races. One of the current best at this type of running is a 41
year old American who's only 5'9"/155 lbs.

Patrick

Patrick