IBS Treatment

[Anaru Hart]

Hello,

I am seeking information relating to the treatment of IBS,
that works.

So far I have found this website: http://www.bowelpains.com

Are there any others that are similar?

Thanks.

[Cubit]

My understanding is, that if you have any kind of
abdominal pain, and they can't figure out what it is, they
say you have IBS.

"Anaru Hartley" <anaru.hartley@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:ecc3ed1d.0503261411.7f6c31e0@posting.google.com...
> Hello,
>
> I am seeking information relating to the treatment of IBS,
> that works.
>
> So far I have found this website: http://www.bowelpains.com
>
> Are there any others that are similar?
>
> Thanks.

[Pizza Girl]

I don't believe in IBS! Itis only a symptom of something
bigger.

Talk to some people here and ask about gluten allergies.
alt.support.celiac

"Anaru Hartley" <anaru.hartley@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:ecc3ed1d.0503261411.7f6c31e0@posting.google.com...
> Hello,
>
> I am seeking information relating to the treatment of IBS,
> that works.
>
> So far I have found this website: http://www.bowelpains.com
>
> Are there any others that are similar?
>
> Thanks.

[Montygram]

They are right. What the hell is IBS supposed to mean. I went
to a gastroenterologist and he saw how much weight I lost as
well as other symptoms that are not associated with "IBS," and
he still called it IBS. When I questioned him about this, all
he had to say is that that was the best diagnosis he could
make. I eventually cured myself with stomach acid and pepsin
supplements. There is a book called Digestive Wellness that
you might want to take a look at. Also, lipid peroxidation can
cause all kinds of gut problems, so eat more antioxidant rich
foods and less unsaturated fatty acids.

[Montygram]

Forgot to mention: get off processed food - make it yourself -
that's what I do. In my upcoming book, I'm going to have a
cooking and recipes section for those who want to know how to
make tasty, lacto-ovo vegetarian dishes (some are vegan or can
be made vegan) from scratch. Dairy is great, but it's been
turned into garbage, for example, products with carrageenan, a
known carcinogen (they use it to give mice cancer for
experimenal purposes), and very harsh on the gut, are all over
the place. If you were my patient, I'd have you bring in the
food you ate and we'd look at the ingredients for the things
to avoid. Good luck.

[gehayw]

The cottage cheese I buy has carrageenan in it. Guess I'll
have to change brands.

[Robert]

"Cubit" <no@not.not> wrote in message
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> My understanding is, that if you have any kind of abdominal
> pain, and they can't figure out what it is, they say you
> have IBS.

Sort of. They rule out conditions that have obvious
pathological markers or finger prints of diseases. IBS is a
diagnosis of exclusion once they rule out the most obvious and
common. Some diseases or conditions do not have obvious
specific diagnostic postive findings to make a diagnosis so
they have to exclude everything else.

>
>
> "Anaru Hartley" <anaru.hartley@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:ecc3ed1d.0503261411.7f6c31e0@posting.google.com...
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am seeking information relating to the treatment of IBS,
> > that works.
> >
> > So far I have found this website:
> > http://www.bowelpains.com
> >
> > Are there any others that are similar?
> >
> > Thanks.

[Robert]

"montygram" <nazztrader@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1111895605.957494.290250@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> They are right. What the hell is IBS supposed to mean. I
> went to a gastroenterologist and he saw how much weight I
> lost as well as other symptoms that are not associated with
> "IBS," and he still called it IBS. When I questioned him
> about this, all he had to say is that that was the best
> diagnosis he could make. I eventually cured myself with
> stomach acid and pepsin supplements. There is a book called
> Digestive Wellness that you might want to take a look at.
> Also, lipid peroxidation can cause all kinds of gut
> problems, so eat more antioxidant rich foods and less
> unsaturated fatty acids.
>
That proves he was right if you cured yourself. If it had been
something more serious then you would still have it Yahoo.

[George Lag]

"montygram" <nazztrader@lycos.com> wrote:
> Dairy is great, but it's been turned into garbage, for
> example, products with carrageenan, a known carcinogen (they
> use it to give mice cancer for experimenal purposes), and
> very harsh on the gut, are all over the place. If you were
> my patient, I'd have you bring in the food you ate and we'd
> look at the ingredients for the things to avoid.

Is that why men who are heavy cow's milk drinkers
may get prostate cancer?

[John Que]

"George Lagergren" <gel44@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:nIq1e.6414$z.1656@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> "montygram" <nazztrader@lycos.com> wrote:
> > Dairy is great, but it's been turned into garbage, for
> > example, products with carrageenan, a known carcinogen
> > (they use it to give mice cancer for experimenal
> > purposes), and very harsh on the gut, are all over the
> > place. If you were my patient, I'd have you bring in the
> > food you ate and we'd look at the ingredients for the
> > things to avoid.
>
> Is that why men who are heavy cow's milk drinkers
> may get
prostate
> cancer?
>

No. The high calcium intake especially in the context of a low
vitamin D intake results in lesser amounts of 25 OH vitamin D
being converted into 1, 25 OH vitamin D. This activated form
of the vitamin helps to protect the prostate gland from
cancer. Also heavy milk use may displace foods rich in
heathful phytochemicals and richer micromineral sources.

[Tc]

Anaru Hartley wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am seeking information relating to the treatment of
> IBS, that
works.
>
> So far I have found this website: http://www.bowelpains.com
>
> Are there any others that are similar?
>
> Thanks.

Here's a great book:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0969276818/qid=1111946-
004/sr=2-3/ref=pd_ka_b_2_3/104-0070034-0943945

Breaking the Vicious Cycle: Intestinal Health Through Diet by
Elaine Gloria Gottschall

read the reviews.

TC

[Montygram]

This is typical establishment thinking. Don't you get it. If
I continued to listen to the doctor's, I'd be dead by now.
You are so agressively ignorant that you probably amaze
yourself at times.

As to the prostate issue, if you do some research on pubmed,
you'll see that the evidence is so strong against lipid
peroxidation/oxidative stress/free radical damage that it may
be the best model for this mechanism. The studies you cite not
only fail to take the vitamin D issue into account, but also
fail to distinguish between something like raw organic goat's
milk and pasteurized, homogenized, non-organic cow's
milk. Moreover, there is a sociological element, in that
people who drink whole milk these days are often the
people who just eat whatever they want, whereas those
who limit their dairy are more likely to go to a doctor
within a couple of weeks of symptom onset, are more
likely to get tested in a short period of time, are
more likely to eat several servings of fruit/vegetables
each day etc.

Guess what? There is quite an extensive body of evidence on
this sociological issue as well. As I say, you can easily
"prove" an "association" between smelly socks and any disease
you like, because, again, those who don't take care of
themselves do so across the board, and in our society, there
are things such people are more likely to do.

[Robert]

"montygram" <nazztrader@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1111948373.362301.295260@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> This is typical establishment thinking. Don't you get it. If
> I continued to listen to the doctor's, I'd be dead by now.
> You are so agressively ignorant that you probably amaze
> yourself at times.

The last thing you want to be is thinking in terms of typical
established science.

>
> As to the prostate issue, if you do some research on pubmed,
> you'll see that the evidence is so strong against lipid
> peroxidation/oxidative stress/free radical damage that it
> may be the best model for this mechanism.
Lipid peroxidation is a normal activity involving cell
death no matter what the origin. It merely means that the
cell is dying.

The studies you cite not only fail to take the vitamin D
> issue into account, but also fail to distinguish between
> something like raw organic goat's milk and pasteurized,
> homogenized, non-organic cow's
> milk. Moreover, there is a sociological element, in that
> people who drink whole milk these days are often the
> people who just eat whatever they want, whereas those
> who limit their dairy are more likely to go to a
> doctor within a couple of weeks of symptom onset, are
> more likely to get tested in a short period of time,
> are more likely to eat several servings of
> fruit/vegetables each day etc.
>
> Guess what? There is quite an extensive body of evidence on
> this sociological issue as well. As I say, you can easily
> "prove" an "association" between smelly socks and any
> disease you like, because, again, those who don't take care
> of themselves do so across the board, and in our society,
> there are things such people are more likely to do.
>

Guess what? If you prove a stronger association of oxidative
damage and every disease known to man than you can with smelly
socks. Thanks for proving my point. There is no specificity.

[Montygram]

How nice it is that Robert, the man of science, fails to cite
any evidence for his claims. I wish you all the lipid
peroxidation in the world, Robert. But for those of you with
something other than sawdust between your ears, just go to
www.pubmed.com and search for lipid peroxidation. The more
unsaturated fatty acids in your diet, the more lipid
peroxidation will likely do you great harm.

[Robert]

"montygram" <nazztrader@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1111970799.223793.216780@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> How nice it is that Robert, the man of science, fails to
> cite any evidence for his claims. I wish you all the lipid
> peroxidation in the world, Robert. But for those of you with
> something other than sawdust between your ears, just go to
> www.pubmed.com and search for lipid peroxidation. The more
> unsaturated fatty acids in your diet, the more lipid
> peroxidation will likely do you great harm.
>

I scrape off the oxidized portion of my statin meds to have
full effect.

[Philemon]

Anaru Hartley wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am seeking information relating to the treatment of IBS,
> that works.
>
> So far I have found this website: http://www.bowelpains.com
>
> Are there any others that are similar?
>
> Thanks.

I have found that symptomatic treatment is as good as
anything: reactivated carbon and yeast supplements may help
reestablish flora equilibrium, as well as Duspatalin
(mebeverenic acid) and mesalazine (an anti-inflammatory that
acts only on the bowel), known in the UK as Asacol or
elsewhere as Salofalk.

Fruit and exercise are also useful, and maintaining a regular
intake of food rather than going without lunch is better,
especially if you keep the evening meal as small as possible.

It associates closely with stress - quite obviously in my
case. So deal with the stress too.

The Irritable Bowel Diet Book by Rosemary Nicol is also
useful: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1569751889/q-
id=1112218892/sr=1-9/ref=sr_1_8_9/026-9212338-5755621

Good luck.

[Philemon]

Philemon wrote:
> Anaru Hartley wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am seeking information relating to the treatment of IBS,
>> that works.
>>
>> So far I have found this website: http://www.bowelpains.com
>>
>> Are there any others that are similar?
>>
>> Thanks.
>
>
> I have found that symptomatic treatment is as good as
> anything: reactivated carbon and yeast supplements may help
> reestablish flora equilibrium, as well as Duspatalin
> (mebeverenic acid) and mesalazine (an anti-inflammatory that
> acts only on the bowel), known in the UK as Asacol or
> elsewhere as Salofalk.
>
> Fruit and exercise are also useful, and maintaining a
> regular intake of food rather than going without lunch is
> better, especially if you keep the evening meal as small as
> possible.
>
> It associates closely with stress - quite obviously in my
> case. So deal with the stress too.
>
> The Irritable Bowel Diet Book by Rosemary Nicol is also
> useful: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1569751889-
> /qid=1112218892/sr=1-9/ref=sr_1_8_9/026-9212338-5755621
>
>
> Good luck.

See also the mail in this NG above (more recent) called
N-acetylcysteine / colitis. This substance is sold as
mucosolvon, and traditionally is used to unblock catarrh and
congestion in colds. Its benefic effect comes from its ability
to increase permeability of mucous membrane and hence
fluidifies mucous secretion (yuck!) You can also buy it as
acetylcysteine in Holland and Barrett. Oh, and BTW, it's the
best cure for a hangover too, since it increases liver
function of alcohol dehydrogenase (according to New Scientist
magazine).