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nobimbo
Wed, Feb-09-05, 18:56
A Spoonful of Vinegar Helps the Sugar Go Down
on Tuesday, February 08 ~ 14:57:23 EST

2 tablespoons of vinegar before a meal even as part of a vinaigrette salad dressing—will dramatically reduce the spike in blood concentrations of insulin and glucose that come after a meal.


A Spoonful of Vinegar Helps the Sugar Go Down
Carol Johnston is a professor of nutrition at Arizona State University’s East campus. When she started developing menus to help prevent and control diabetes, she began with a high-protein, low-carbohydrate diet. The diet worked amazingly well, but it involved major changes from the way people usually eat. Johnston feared they would give up and start downing Twinkies in no time. She wondered if there was an alternative.

Johnston struck gold while reading through some older studies on diabetes. Actually, she struck vinegar.

Her studies indicate that 2 tablespoons of vinegar before a meal—perhaps, as part of a vinaigrette salad dressing—will dramatically reduce the spike in blood concentrations of insulin and glucose that come after a meal. In people with type 2 diabetes, these spikes can be excessive and can foster complications, including heart disease

In Johnston's initial study, about one-third of the 29 volunteers had been diagnosed with type 2 diabetes, another third had signs that they could become diabetic, and the rest were healthy. The scientists gave each participant the vinegar dose or a placebo to drink immediately before they ate a high-carbohydrate breakfast consisting of orange juice, a bagel, and butter. A week later, each volunteer came back for the opposite premeal treatment and then the same breakfast. After both meals, the researchers sampled blood from the participants.

Although all three groups in the study had better blood readings after meals begun with vinegar cocktails, the people with signs of future diabetes—prediabetic symptoms—reaped the biggest gains. For instance, vinegar cut their blood-glucose rise in the first hour after a meal by about half, compared with readings after a placebo premeal drink.


A few tablespoons of vinegar prior to a meal—such as part of an oil-and-vinegar salad dressing—could benefit people with diabetes or at high risk of developing the disease.PhotoDisc
In contrast, blood-glucose concentrations were only about 25 percent better after people with diabetes drank vinegar. In addition, people with prediabetic symptoms ended up with lower blood glucose than even healthy volunteers, after both groups drank vinegar.

In these tests, vinegar had an effect on volunteers' blood comparable to what might be expected from antidiabetes drugs, such as metformin, the researchers reported January in Diabetes Care. A follow-up study has now turned up an added—and totally unexpected—benefit from vinegar: moderate weight loss.

Both findings should come as welcome news during this season when sweet and caloric treats taunt diabetics, who face true health risks from indulging in too many carbs.

Johnston was looking for possible diet modifications that would make meals less risky for people with diabetes. While reviewing research published earlier by others, she ran across reports from about 2 decades ago that suggesting that vinegar limits glucose and insulin spikes in a person's blood after a meal.

A few research groups had conducted limited follow-up trials. For instance, Johnston points to a 2001 paper in which researchers at Lund University in Sweden evaluated pickles—cucumbers preserved in vinegar—as a dietary supplement to lower the blood-sugar rise in healthy people after a meal. The Swedish team, led by Elin M. Östman, reported that pickles dramatically blunted the blood-sugar spike after a high-carb breakfast. Fresh cukes didn't.

"I became really intrigued," Johnston says, because adding vinegar to the diet would be simple "and wouldn't require counting how many carbs you ate." At first, she attempted to replicate findings by others, focusing specifically on people with diabetes or prediabetic symptoms.

When these individuals showed clear benefits from vinegar after a single meal, Johnston' group initiated a trial to evaluate longer-term effects. It also explored vinegar' effect on cholesterol concentrations in blood. The Arizona State scientists had hypothesized that by preventing digestion of carbs in the stomach, vinegar might cause carbohydrate molecules to instead ferment in the colon, a process that signals the liver to synthesize less cholesterol.

So, in one trial, Johnston had half of the volunteers take a 2-tablespoon dose of vinegar prior to each of two meals daily for 4 weeks. The others were told to avoid vinegar. All were weighed before and after the trial.

As it turns out, cholesterol values didn't change in either group. To Johnston' surprise, however, "here was actually about a 2-pound weight loss, on average, over the 4 weeks in the vinegar group." In fact, unlike the control group, none in the vinegar cohort gained any weight, and a few people lost up to 4 pounds. Average weight remained constant in the group not drinking vinegar.

Johnston would now like to repeat the trial in a larger group of individuals to confirm the finding, but that study is currently on hold.

Why? To no one's astonishment, the study volunteers didn't like drinking vinegar straight—even flavored, apple-cider vinegar. Indeed, Johnston says, "I would prefer eating pickled foods or getting . . . vinegar in a salad dressing."

Now, the scientists are developing a less objectionable, encapsulated form of vinegar and testing its efficacy. Although there are commercially available vinegar dietary supplements, Johnston notes that they "don't appear to contain acetic acid," and based on studies by others, she suspects that's the antidiabetic ingredient in the vinegar.
Diabetes Care Jan, 2005

http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2475

upback
Wed, Feb-09-05, 20:02
I find this article interesting, plus.....

To no one's astonishment, the study volunteers didn't like drinking vinegar straight—even flavored, apple-cider vinegar. Indeed, Johnston says,

"I would prefer eating pickled foods or getting . . . vinegar in a salad dressing."

We have been eating a lot of pickles and peperoncini both in "distilled vinegar" the past few weeks.

Going to keep an eye out for bg readings.

Nancy LC
Thu, Feb-10-05, 08:31
It seems like this wouldn't really do you all that much good unless you were eating a lot of starchy stuff to cause the blood sugar to go up in the first place.

EvelynS
Thu, Feb-10-05, 09:50
I've heard that for pre/diabetics, taking a gram of cinnamon a day reduces blood glucose by about a quarter. More palatable than vinegar.

upback
Thu, Feb-10-05, 10:51
It seems like this wouldn't really do you all that much good unless you were eating a lot of starchy stuff to cause the blood sugar to go up in the first place.

When your a type 2, it doesn't always mean that your eating to much starchy stuff, there is more than "starchy stuff" to deal with when a person's blood sugar goes up ;)

littletexa
Sat, Feb-19-05, 07:56
My grandmother used to swear by a drink she called a "vinegar flip" - which was a full glass of water with 2 tablespoons of vinegar and sugar to taste mixed together. I've replaced the sugar with splenda and have to admit it's tasty and very refreshing! Don't know if it would help lose weight (haven't done any long-term testing!) but it's much more enjoyable that straight vinegar! Seems to help digestion (I think that's one of the reasons Grandma touted it so highly).

Wyvrn
Sat, Feb-19-05, 12:11
By adding vinegar to the subjects diets, they were adding fat. Acetic acid (vinegar) is a short chain saturated fatty acid, a highly bioavailable fuel source that doesn't require insulin.

Wyv

TVMichelle
Sat, Feb-19-05, 13:53
By adding vinegar to the subjects diets, they were adding fat. Acetic acid (vinegar) is a short chain saturated fatty acid, a highly bioavailable fuel source that doesn't require insulin.

Wyv


Wyvrn, I'm very interested in your comment. How can vinegar be a fat when there is no fat content in it? More info, please.

Michelle

nobimbo
Sat, Feb-19-05, 15:18
Wyvrn, I'm very interested in your comment. How can vinegar be a fat when there is no fat content in it? More info, please.

Michelle

Until Wyvrn gets back, here is some info on this:

Finally, the gut can also alter body composition through the production of short chain fatty acids (SCFA). SCFA are fatty acids that have extremely short hydrocarbon chains. Believe it or not, things like acetic acid (vinegar), citric acid (lemon juice), and carbonic acid (soda pop) are all short chain fatty acids. SCFA can have profound affects on your body’s metabolism. Hell, I could and probably should devote an entire article to vinegar, as I feel it is probably the most underused/underrated supplement out there.




Anyway, the helpful little bacteria that inhabit your digestive system digest some of the compounds in the food you eat and produce short chain fatty acids as a waste product. These SCFA are then absorbed and can manipulate your metabolism (among other things). Butyrate is one such fatty acid, for example, that is produced by the microflora of your gut and acts as a PPAR-alpha agonist just like fish oil, SesaThin and the fibrate drugs. Suffice it to say these SCFA can have profound effects.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:rXNhfpn9FucJ:www.mindandmuscle.net/content/page-308.html+is+vinegar+really+a+short+chain+fatty+acid&hl=en&start=1

Linda

Samuel
Sat, Feb-19-05, 17:56
Long time ago, when I was a young boy, I heared that some obese people drink vinegar to lose weight after they try everything else and fail. My understanding was that drinking an acid, damages their health and that their weight loss is a result of their health damage.

But maybe I was wrong. If vinegar can cause carbohydrate molecules to ferment in the colon instead of being digested in the stomach, it should be causing weight loss for a good reason.

I personally like vinegar. A combination of red wine vinegar and olive oil make the tastiest salad dressing to me. I actually like to add this combination to salmon and boiled eggs too.

I normally add no more than one or two teaspoons of vinegar to my salad, but I can easily increase this amount to a tablespoon to see how it works.

Wyvrn
Sat, Feb-19-05, 18:28
Thanks for the link, it's an interesting article. My line is IT, not biosciences and this little tidbit was just something I found while reading about MCTs, so I was hoping someone with more info would come in. It would help explain vinegar's benefit which appears to be unrelated to its effect on GI ph. I might have to try taking some myself. Be interesting to see how it stacks with coconut oil.

That still leaves the question about why acetic acid isn't listed as a lipid in the USDA nutritional analysis of vinegar.

Wyv

Samuel
Sat, Feb-19-05, 21:28
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:rXNhfpn9FucJ:www.mindandmuscle.net/content/page-308.html+is+vinegar+really+a+short+chain+fatty+acid&hl=en&start=1

LindaThanks. I found in your link a support for an idea which I have mentioned in an old post and some disagreed with me about it.

My idea was to give one possible answer to why obesity is permanent. Why when someone becomes obese once, he has to be fighting obesity for the rest of his life. He can go through diet after diet, but his body always tries to return him back to obesity.

The reason I mentioned was that the brain checks how stretched the stomach is (which is an indication of how full it is) before it decides to continue or stop the hunger feeling. When someone overeats for a while, his stomach expands in size permanently. So he must eat larger amounts of food to get his stomach to stretch enough so his brain stops his hunger.

This can also explain why most women stay slim until they deliver their first baby and why the stomach reduction surgery works.

Here is what this link says:

The first way that I would like to discuss is direct neuronal signaling. There are nerves that run from the stomach directly to the brain. Specifically, they run to the adrenal medulla area. I wrote rather extensively about these nerves in my M&M leptin series, so I will simply refer you there for further reading. The short-and-sweet version is that these nerves sense mechanical stretch and relay that information to your brain. In other words the nerves say “hey brain there is some food in here - no need to make the poor guy hungry anymore.

me-65
Mon, Feb-21-05, 10:27
My ND recommended organic red cider vinegar (Braggs, see www.bragg.com) for heartburn. 1/4 tsp. in a little bit of water. I liked the taste. Refreshing. The vinegar is unfiltered and still has the protein "strands" and sediment in it.

littletexa
Mon, Feb-21-05, 10:36
I recently read somewhere on the web that cider vinegar is a great remedy for heartburn (instead of an antacid) and I love it for that!
I do like balsamic vinegar for salads - but never tried it for anything else.

morgan77
Mon, Feb-21-05, 13:09
Wow, very interesting article. I think I'll try adding a couple spoonfuls to a glass of water before my meals and see if it helps.

aquarian
Tue, Feb-22-05, 15:38
I tried the vinegar yesterday and today and my BG hasn't gone over 115 even after meals. I am going to cheat on something that I know will raise my BG and see what happens. I called the accu-chek 800 number to ask if the acid in the vinegar could make a difference my monitors reading (chemical reaction of some sort) but they said no, my numbers were correct. He did suggest testing with the test solution to confirm if I was concerned.

me-65
Tue, Feb-22-05, 16:36
As long as your hands are clean (and your meter is calibrated), your test should be accurate. Please let us know how your experiment goes. I've drank 2 tsp vinegar in 8 oz water last night. My morning BG was 105 which was pretty good. I'll try again tonight and report back.

judyr
Tue, Feb-22-05, 20:18
Well I'm willing to try it for a week. I mixed 2 Tablespoons of apple cider vinegar with some splenda and 8 oz of water. Not bad, but I forgot that I was suppose to take it before the meal. I drank it with mine. I'll check my blood sugar tomorrow when I get up.

me-65
Tue, Feb-22-05, 20:20
I like the organic apple cider vinegar. I don't even add any sweetener to it. It tastes pretty good.

Here's a quote from the bragg organic vinegar website:
"It's so easy to incorporate vinegar into your daily diet. When you wake up in the morning just make a delicious cocktail using 2 teaspoons of raw, organic apple cider vinegar, and if you need a sweetener, use organic honey, 100% maple syrup, or molasses to taste. If you are diabetic, use the sweet substitute stevia. I recommend you use only distilled water. This "Bragg Healthy Cocktail" is designed to flush out wastes that are clogging the organs of elimination, the bowels, lungs, skin, and the kidneys. Take it at least twice a day, and you will start to see changes like increased energy, soft skin, and decreased muscle and joint aches from exercise. Make sure you use raw, organic vinegar, never dead, distilled vinegar because the natural enzymes, minerals, and nutrients are destroyed in the distilling process. Any vinegar that is clear and has no "mother" (the strand-like substance in the bottom of the bottle) has no nutritional value. Natural raw vinegar should be pungent, with a rich, brownish color and avisible "mother." Drinking apple cider vinegar daily, and eating a largely fresh, organic, vegetarian diet, along with following a simple fitness program, will change your life so dramatically you will never go back to your old ways! Get fit, get healthy, and live a long and happy life!"

me-65
Wed, Feb-23-05, 05:01
Vinegar experiment report:

2 tsp apple cider vinegar in 8oz water at bedtime.

This morning BG: 111 (this really isn't different than most other mornings).

judyr
Wed, Feb-23-05, 06:37
No difference this morning, but I'm going to try it twice a day - on my salad at lunch and as a drink before dinner for the next 6 days and see iff there is any change.

me-65
Wed, Feb-23-05, 07:17
The south beach diet book says that eating carbs with something acidic like vinegar or lemon juice slows down the absorption of glucose into your bloodstream. So, it may help with meals. Good luck!

judyr
Fri, Feb-25-05, 00:44
Well I have tried this now for several days and haven't seen any change.

judyr
Sat, Feb-26-05, 08:21
Well my blood sugar was not down today - it was way up but I had a 4 pound whoooosh! Maybe it does helpwith weight loss.

Nancy LC
Sat, Feb-26-05, 09:22
I've always felt any tweak to the diet deserves a good month, especially for us women with our periodic water retention, and expulsion, tendencies.

me-65
Sat, Feb-26-05, 09:25
I guess we'll just keep on trying. I am waiting for my whooosh!