What cxercise, vitamins, or food needed for diabetes/cardio risk individual?

[analystres]

Hi,

Just wanted to get some advice from experts on how to
improve my body health.

I have a family history of diabetes and heart disease (two
grandparents died fro these diseases). I know for a fact
that I have genetically inherited some potential for both
from these symptoms:

1) Poor gyclose metabolism - when I have a large meal, I will
feel a mild burn in my kidneys/liver. I usually end up only
burning 20-30% of a large meal, the rest goes straight to
fat. Chromium picolinate and garcinia cambogia
supplementation has helped a lot. A few years back, I did a
daily routine of jogging 2 miles and taking
chronimum+garcinia and lost 10 pounds. I recently did the
same routine after having gained weight and was able to
lose 10 pounds again. Unfortunately I gain weight when not
using the chromium/garcinia on a regular basis.

2) Jogging capacity - I am unable to jog more than 2-3
miles at a time
- I am muscularly in perfect shape, but after 2-3 miles, I get
a severe cramp in my kidney/liver area, and inevitably have
to stop. Is this related to sugar metabolism?

3) Body shape - after 10 years of working around, I am hard as
a rock literally everywhere, except for my stomach (which
is a very awkward body shape). Even below the waist, my
thighs and butt are very toned. But starting below my rib
cage to above my waist, I still pack 10-15 pounds of fat
that appears nearly impossible to remove. Is there any way
I can remove this?

4) Cholesterol - my total is well in a healthy range, however,
my LDL (good cholesterol) is very very low - I have been
trying to keep my cardio exercise up to increase it, but I
wonder if there are other systemic reasons for why I would
have a very low LDL.

Based on these symptions, do you have any suggestions for
creating improvement? In the short term, I want to remove
the 10-15 pounds of fat so I don't look strange. In the
long term, I want to take precautions through diet,
exercise, and vitamin/mineral supplementation to ensure I
don't have any substantial problems with diabetes or heart
disease in the long run.

All advice is greatly appreciated.

[Oldal4865]

analystresearch2002@yahoo.com wrote in message
<1107717203.122628.226430@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>...
>Hi,
>
> Just wanted to get some advice from experts on how to
> improve my body health.
>
> I have a family history of diabetes and heart disease (two
> grandparents died fro these diseases). I know for a fact
> that I have genetically inherited some potential for both
> from these symptoms:
>
>1) Poor gyclose metabolism - when I have a large meal, I will
> feel a mild burn in my kidneys/liver. I usually end up
> only burning 20-30% of a large meal, the rest goes
> straight to fat. Chromium picolinate and garcinia cambogia
> supplementation has helped a lot. A few years back, I did
> a daily routine of jogging 2 miles and taking
> chronimum+garcinia and lost 10 pounds. I recently did the
> same routine after having gained weight and was able to
> lose 10 pounds again. Unfortunately I gain weight when not
> using the chromium/garcinia on a regular basis.
>
>2) Jogging capacity - I am unable to jog more than 2-3 miles
> at a time
>- I am muscularly in perfect shape, but after 2-3 miles, I
> get a severe cramp in my kidney/liver area, and inevitably
> have to stop. Is this related to sugar metabolism?
>
>3) Body shape - after 10 years of working around, I am hard
> as a rock literally everywhere, except for my stomach
> (which is a very awkward body shape). Even below the
> waist, my thighs and butt are very toned. But starting
> below my rib cage to above my waist, I still pack 10-15
> pounds of fat that appears nearly impossible to remove. Is
> there any way I can remove this?
>
>4) Cholesterol - my total is well in a healthy range,
> however, my LDL (good cholesterol) is very very low - I
> have been trying to keep my cardio exercise up to increase
> it, but I wonder if there are other systemic reasons for
> why I would have a very low LDL.
>
>Based on these symptions, do you have any suggestions for
>creating improvement? In the short term, I want to remove the
>10-15 pounds of fat so I don't look strange. In the long
>term, I want to take precautions through diet, exercise, and
>vitamin/mineral supplementation to ensure I don't have any
>substantial problems with diabetes or heart disease in the
>long run.
>
>All advice is greatly appreciated.
>

A few remarks:

1107717204. Applause, applause for your efforts. Too many of
us were ambushed by our genes in this area.

1107717205. I suspect that your abdominal fat is genetic and
probably a big part of the reason T2 diabetes
runs in your family. Low carb helps.

1107717206. I gather that you have low HDL (not LDL). AFAIK,
that's another genetic symptom of a family with
a high incidence of T2 diabetes.

The only OTC techniques for improving HDL I know of are:

a. Lots of exercise
b. Pantethine (450 to 900 mg/day)
c. Cinnamon (http://tinyurl.com/5usgr)
d. Red wine

4. You didn't mention your triglycerides. Did you know that
a triglycerides/HDL ratio above 3 (U.S. measurement,
mg/dL) is dangerous and a sign of high Insulin
Resistance?

Some techniques in this area:

a. Fish oil, 3000 mg/day
b. Time-release niacin, 1000 mg/day
c. Handful of walnuts each day (or some other nuts
which I can't remember)
d. Ground Flax seed daily

Regards
Old Al

[Zee]

What medications are you taking? Any cholesterol lowering med,
perhaps? Such as cholestyramine (Questran) or a statin:
lipitor, zocor, crestor... Zee

analystresearch2002@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Just wanted to get some advice from experts on how to
> improve my
body
> health.
>
> I have a family history of diabetes and heart disease (two
> grandparents died fro these diseases). I know for a fact
> that I have genetically inherited some potential for both
> from these symptoms:
>
> 1) Poor gyclose metabolism - when I have a large meal, I
> will feel a mild burn in my kidneys/liver. I usually end
> up only burning 20-30%
of
> a large meal, the rest goes straight to fat. Chromium
> picolinate and garcinia cambogia supplementation has helped
> a lot. A few years
back,
> I did a daily routine of jogging 2 miles and taking
chronimum+garcinia
> and lost 10 pounds. I recently did the same routine after
> having gained weight and was able to lose 10 pounds again.
> Unfortunately I gain weight when not using the
> chromium/garcinia on a regular basis.
>
> 2) Jogging capacity - I am unable to jog more than 2-3
> miles at a
time
> - I am muscularly in perfect shape, but after 2-3 miles,
> I get a
severe
> cramp in my kidney/liver area, and inevitably have to stop.
> Is this related to sugar metabolism?
>
> 3) Body shape - after 10 years of working around, I am hard
> as a rock literally everywhere, except for my stomach
> (which is a very awkward body shape). Even below the
> waist, my thighs and butt are very
toned.
> But starting below my rib cage to above my waist, I still
> pack 10-15 pounds of fat that appears nearly impossible to
> remove. Is there any way I can remove this?
>
> 4) Cholesterol - my total is well in a healthy range,
> however, my LDL (good cholesterol) is very very low - I
> have been trying to keep my cardio exercise up to
> increase it, but I wonder if there are other systemic
> reasons for why I would have a very low LDL.
>
> Based on these symptions, do you have any suggestions for
> creating improvement? In the short term, I want to remove
> the 10-15 pounds of fat so I don't look strange. In the long
> term, I want to take precautions through diet, exercise, and
> vitamin/mineral
supplementation
> to ensure I don't have any substantial problems with
> diabetes or
heart
> disease in the long run.
>
> All advice is greatly appreciated.

[Bill]

<analystresearch2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1107717203.122628.226430@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Hi,
>
> Just wanted to get some advice from experts on how to
> improve my body health.
>
> I have a family history of diabetes and heart disease (two
> grandparents died fro these diseases). I know for a fact
> that I have genetically inherited some potential for both
> from these symptoms:
>
> 1) Poor gyclose metabolism - when I have a large meal, I
> will feel a mild burn in my kidneys/liver. I usually end
> up only burning 20-30% of a large meal, the rest goes
> straight to fat. Chromium picolinate and garcinia
> cambogia supplementation has helped a lot. A few years
> back, I did a daily routine of jogging 2 miles and taking
> chronimum+garcinia and lost 10 pounds. I recently did the
> same routine after having gained weight and was able to
> lose 10 pounds again. Unfortunately I gain weight when
> not using the chromium/garcinia on a regular basis.
>
> 2) Jogging capacity - I am unable to jog more than 2-3 miles
> at a time
> - I am muscularly in perfect shape, but after 2-3 miles, I
> get a severe cramp in my kidney/liver area, and inevitably
> have to stop. Is this related to sugar metabolism?
>
> 3) Body shape - after 10 years of working around, I am hard
> as a rock literally everywhere, except for my stomach
> (which is a very awkward body shape). Even below the
> waist, my thighs and butt are very toned. But starting
> below my rib cage to above my waist, I still pack 10-15
> pounds of fat that appears nearly impossible to remove.
> Is there any way I can remove this?
>
> 4) Cholesterol - my total is well in a healthy range,
> however, my LDL (good cholesterol) is very very low - I
> have been trying to keep my cardio exercise up to
> increase it, but I wonder if there are other systemic
> reasons for why I would have a very low LDL.
>
> Based on these symptions, do you have any suggestions for
> creating improvement? In the short term, I want to remove
> the 10-15 pounds of fat so I don't look strange. In the long
> term, I want to take precautions through diet, exercise, and
> vitamin/mineral supplementation to ensure I don't have any
> substantial problems with diabetes or heart disease in the
> long run.
>
> All advice is greatly appreciated.
>

The best way to lose weight is to eat less. Also you should
have your blood sugar tested if you are worried about
diabetes. The current recommendation is to try to catch this
early and treat it before it starts causing symptoms. If it is
low, you should still have it checked periodically - every
year or so.

Bill

[Michael C]

In addition to chromium, try vanadium, niacin, biotin,
magnesium B1, B6. The other B-vitamins would probably
help as well.

--
Cheers, Michael C Price
----------------------------------------
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http://www.hedweb.com/manworld.htm
<analystresearch2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1107717203.122628.226430@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Hi,
>
> Just wanted to get some advice from experts on how to
> improve my body health.
>
> I have a family history of diabetes and heart disease (two
> grandparents died fro these diseases). I know for a fact
> that I have genetically inherited some potential for both
> from these symptoms:
>
> 1) Poor gyclose metabolism - when I have a large meal, I
> will feel a mild burn in my kidneys/liver. I usually end
> up only burning 20-30% of a large meal, the rest goes
> straight to fat. Chromium picolinate and garcinia
> cambogia supplementation has helped a lot. A few years
> back, I did a daily routine of jogging 2 miles and taking
> chronimum+garcinia and lost 10 pounds. I recently did the
> same routine after having gained weight and was able to
> lose 10 pounds again. Unfortunately I gain weight when
> not using the chromium/garcinia on a regular basis.
>
> 2) Jogging capacity - I am unable to jog more than 2-3 miles
> at a time
> - I am muscularly in perfect shape, but after 2-3 miles, I
> get a severe cramp in my kidney/liver area, and inevitably
> have to stop. Is this related to sugar metabolism?
>
> 3) Body shape - after 10 years of working around, I am hard
> as a rock literally everywhere, except for my stomach
> (which is a very awkward body shape). Even below the
> waist, my thighs and butt are very toned. But starting
> below my rib cage to above my waist, I still pack 10-15
> pounds of fat that appears nearly impossible to remove.
> Is there any way I can remove this?
>
> 4) Cholesterol - my total is well in a healthy range,
> however, my LDL (good cholesterol) is very very low - I
> have been trying to keep my cardio exercise up to
> increase it, but I wonder if there are other systemic
> reasons for why I would have a very low LDL.
>
> Based on these symptions, do you have any suggestions for
> creating improvement? In the short term, I want to remove
> the 10-15 pounds of fat so I don't look strange. In the long
> term, I want to take precautions through diet, exercise, and
> vitamin/mineral supplementation to ensure I don't have any
> substantial problems with diabetes or heart disease in the
> long run.
>
> All advice is greatly appreciated.

[Nico Kadel]

"Michael C Price" <michaelEXCISESPAMprice@ntlworld.com> wrote
in message news:uLENd.385$Zy6.203@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
> In addition to chromium, try vanadium, niacin, biotin,
> magnesium B1, B6. The other B-vitamins would probably help
> as well.

He may as well eat a bumper as go this route, it will help
about as much and probably be cheaper.

There are a lot of vitamin salesfolks in the world who will
help you spend your money. Talk with your local doctor or
dietician about changes in diet, and get a glucose tolerance
test if you think you might have diabetes. In particular,
untreated Type 2 diabetes can cause you to *gaini* weight.

[Michael C]

Nico Kadel-Garcia writes of my suggestion:

>> In addition to chromium, try vanadium, niacin, biotin,
>> magnesium B1, B6. The other B-vitamins would probably help
>> as well.
>
> He may as well eat a bumper as go this route, it will help
> about as much and probably be cheaper.

Cheaper, perhaps, but not as beneficial.

> There are a lot of vitamin salesfolks in the world who will
> help you spend your money.

Perhaps there are, but I'm not in sales. Just a happy
consumer.

> Talk with your local doctor or dietician about changes in
> diet, and get a glucose tolerance test if you think you
> might have diabetes. In particular, untreated Type 2
> diabetes can cause you to *gaini* weight.

Nico, there's plenty of evidence to support the items I
listed. The fact that people like you and others are so quick
to denounce anything outside your limited knowledge is a
scandal -- but very predictable. Check out the numbered and
annotated references in the text below for a more scientific
and informed opinion.
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Glycation is the non-enzymic binding of glucose molecules to
other molecules in general. This binding is uncontrolled and
destructive, causing the faster aging exhibited by diabetics,
and, since as we age we all tend to become pre-diabetic55,
83i-j (with reduced glucose tolerance, rising insulin and
increased insulin-resistance and glucose levels), it is
implicated in normal aging83.

Animals fed chromium had lower fasting glucose and insulin
levels and improved glucose tolerance. A range of studies on
pigs, dogs and rodents suggest that glucose processing is
optimised when the chromium intake in micrograms (ug) is above
1/5 of the number of calories consumed5d. In humans, chromium
benefits both the healthy non-diabetics55 and diabetics, types
I10d & II10, by improving HDL/LDL profiles, lowering insulin
levels, fasting glucose levels and improving glucose
tolerance. Both vitamins B3 (niacin)55a, B7 (biotin)55d and
the mineral zinc137 synergise with chromium to improve
insulin-resistance.

Part of the reason why chromium deficiency is so common is
that plants do not require chromium; plants can thrive in
chromium poor soils, leading to chromium poor diets. Chromium
optimises insulin function, which, in turn, lowers fasting
glucose levels, improves glucose tolerance and reduces
glycation. Chromium's anti-glycation, glucose-regulatory
action is mediated entirely via the protein insulin (a
hormone); chromium, therefore, is a proteonomic cofactor, but
not an enzymic cofactor, with a single target protein, unlike
the enzymic cofactors (which are proteonomic cofactors, since
all enzymes are proteins), which operate via multiple enzymes.
Therefore we have to be cautious in extrapolating the chromium
rodent lifespan extension of 27% to humans; the control rats
tested showed evidence of pre-diabetic, sub-clinical insulin
resistance - their glycated haemoglobin levels increased
almost 4-fold more as they aged5a, 5c (as a proportion of
their lifespan) than in non-diabetic humans83i; the anti-aging
effect on non-diabetic humans will probably be only a quarter
as much, about 7%.

Independently of any synergy with chromium, vitamins B1
(thiamine)88c-e, B3 (niacin)85, B6 (pyridoxine)88a-e, and B7
(biotin)93 along with minerals magnesium128, zinc91, in doses
greater than the RDA, improve insulin-resistance and lower
glycation levels.

Calorie restriction (see later) also lowers glycation and
extends lifespan, but whether it will synergise with the above
micronutrients is unknown.

Summary: chromium5, 10, 55, magnesium128 and zinc91, 137,
along with vitamins B1 (thiamine)88c-e, B3 (niacin)55a, 85, B6
(pyridoxine)88a-e and B7 (biotin)55d, 93, are effective in
preventing or ameliorating diabetes and, even in
non-diabetics, reducing glycation levels, insulin-resistance
and slowing aging.

[5a] Composition and Biological Activity of Chromium-Pyridine
Carboxylate Complexes. GW Evans and DJ Pouchnik, Journal
of Inorganic Biochemistry 49, pg 177-187 (1993). PMID:
8433089 Describes the action of dietary chromium
picolinate (relative to chromium chloride and chromium
nicotinate) in reducing glycation & plasma glucose levels
in rats as they aged.

[5b] Longevity effect of chromium picolinate--'rejuvenation'
of hypothalamic function? McCarty MF in Med Hypotheses
1994 Oct;43(4):253-65 PMID: 7838011 "The first rodent
longevity study with the insulin-sensitizing nutrient
chromium picolinate has reported a dramatic increase in
both median and maximal lifespan.." Gives additional
information about the Evans-Meyer-Pouchnik chromium
picolinate experiment on rats: Cohort maximum lifespan
(last survivor) was 48 months, extending the previous
species maximum by 15% to give a total maximum lifespan
increase of 26%.

[5c] Chromium picolinate increases longevity. Evans GW, Meyer
LK in AGE (the Journal of the American Aging Association)
Oct 1992; 15(4), 134.

[5d] Chromium Picolinate. Gary W Evans, (1996) ISBN
0895299119. Gives additional information about the
Evans-Meyer-Pouchnik chromium picolinate experiment on
rats: Mean lifespan extension of 27% However, the strain
of rats used may have been pre-diabetic.

[5e] The Longevity Factor: Chromium Picolinate. RA Passwater,
(1993), ISBN 0879836199.

[5f] Elevated intakes of supplemental chromium improve glucose
and insulin variables in individuals with type 2
diabetes. Anderson RA, Cheng N, Bryden NA, Polansky MM,
Cheng N, Chi J, Feng J in Diabetes 1997
Nov;46(11):1786-91 PMID: 9356027

[5g] Nutritional factors influencing the glucose/insulin
system: chromium. Anderson RA in J Am Coll Nutr 1997
Oct;16(5):404-10 PMID: 9322187

[5h] Beneficial effects of chromium in people with type 2
diabetes, and urinary chromium response to glucose
load as a possible indicator of status. Bahijri SM,
Mufti AM in Biol Trace Elem Res 2002 Feb;85(2):97-109
PMID: 11899964

[5i] [Chromium in the treatment of clinical diabetes mellitus]
Ravina A, Slezack L in Harefuah 1993 Sep;125(5-6):142-5,
191 PMID: 8225092 "We gave 243 diabetic patients Cr (200
mcg/d) to study its effect on blood glucose balance. 105
were Type 1 (IDDM) and 138 Type 2 (NIDDM). Cr reduced
insulin, sulfonylurea or metformin requirements in 115
patients. The success rate was greater in those with
NIDDM (57.2%) than in those with IDDM
(6.6%). More women, of either type, reacted than men (62.5 vs
50% in NIDDM and 37.6 vs 28.6% in IDDM). A placebo was
ineffective."

[6a] Evidence for synergism between chromium and nicotinic
acid in the control of glucose tolerance in elderly
humans. Urberg M, Zemel MB in Metabolism 1987
Sep;36(9):896-9 PMID: 3626867 "Sixteen healthy elderly
volunteers were divided into three groups and given
either 200 micrograms Cr, 100 mg nicotinic acid, or 200
micrograms Cr + 100 mg nicotinic acid daily for 28 days
and evaluated on days 0 and 28. Fasting glucose and
glucose tolerance were unaffected by either chromium or
nicotinic acid alone. In contrast, the combined
chromium-nicotinic acid supplement caused a 15% decrease
in a glucose area integrated total (p less than .025) and
a 7% decrease in fasting glucose."

[6b] Effect of chromium supplementation on glucose tolerance
and lipid profile. Bahijri SM in Saudi Med J 2000
Jan;21(1):45-50 PMID: 11533750 "Improved glucose control,
and lipid profile following chromium supplement suggests
the presence of low chromium status in the studied
population. However, serum chromium could not be
recommended for use as an indicator of chromium status as
subjects with widely varying levels responded favorably
to the chromium supplement."

[6c] The safety and efficacy of high-dose chromium. Lamson DS,
Plaza SM in Altern Med Rev 2002 Jun;7(3):218-35 PMID:
12126463 "The beneficial effects of chromium on serum
glucose and lipids and insulin resistance occur even in
the healthy."

[6d] High-dose biotin, an inducer of glucokinase
expression, may synergize with chromium picolinate to
enable a definitive nutritional therapy for type II
diabetes. McCarty MF in Med Hypotheses 1999
May;52(5):401-6 PMID: 10416947

[6e] Beneficial effect of chromium-rich yeast on glucose
tolerance and blood lipids in elderly subjects.
Offenbacher EG, Pi-Sunyer FX in Diabetes 1980
Nov;29(11):919-25 PMID: 7000589 "Thus, chromium-rich
brewers' yeast improved glucose tolerance and total
lipids in elderly subjects, while chromium-poor torula
yeast did not. An improvement in insulin sensitivity also
occurred with brewers' yeast supplementation. This
supports the thesis that elderly people may have a low
level of chromium and that an effective source for
chromium repletion, such as brewers' yeast, may improve
their carbohydrate tolerance and total lipids."

[6f] Effects of chromium supplementation on fasting insulin
levels and lipid parameters in healthy, non-obese young
subjects. Wilson BE, Gondy A in Diabetes Res Clin Pract
1995 Jun;28(3):179-84 PMID: 8529496 "However, those
individuals [6/15] within the chromium group with initial
fasting IRI levels greater than 35 pmol/l had a
significant decrease in IRI level after supplementation
(P < 0.03) despite no significant changes in serum
lipids. These subjects may benefit from chromium
supplementation by improving insulin sensitivity and
cardiovascular risk over time."

[7] Safety of high-dose nicotinamide: a review. Knip M, Douek
IF, Moore WP, Gillmor HA, McLean AE, Bingley PJ, Gale EA
in Diabetologia 2000 Nov;43(11):1337-45 PMID: 11126400
Discusses the potential of 3g/d vitamin B3 in preventing
the onset of Type I (insulin-dependent) diabetes.

[7a] Amadorins: novel post-Amadori inhibitors of advanced
glycation reactions. Khalifah RG, Baynes JW, Hudson BG
in Biochem Biophys Res Commun 1999 Apr 13;257(2):251-8
PMID: 10198198 "This in turn led to a unique and rapid
post-Amadori screening assay for putative "Amadorins,"
which we define here as inhibitors of the conversion
of Amadori intermediates to AGEs in the absence of
excess free or reversibly bound (Schiff base) sugar.
Our screening assay then led to the identification of
pyridoxamine (Pyridorin) as the first member of this
class of Amadorin compounds. Rather unexpectedly, the
assay also led to the clear demonstration that the
well-known AGE inhibitor aminoguanidine, currently in
Phase 3 clinical trials for treatment of diabetic
nephropathy, has negligible Amadorin activity. In view
of the importance of Amadori compounds as
intermediates in AGE formation in vivo, the
therapeutic potential of Pyridorin is currently being
investigated and is now showing highly promising
results in different animal models."

[7b] Glycoxidation and lipoxidation in atherogenesis. Baynes
JW, Thorpe SR in Free Radic Biol Med 2000 Jun
15;28(12):1708-16 PMID: 10946212 "advanced lipoxidation
end-products (ALEs). The ALEs and their precursors affect
the structure and function of the vascular wall, setting
the stage for atherogenesis. The increased risk for
atherosclerosis in diabetes may result from additional
carbonyl production from carbohydrates and additional
chemical modification of proteins by advanced glycation
end-products (AGEs). Failure to maintain homeostasis and
the increase in oxidizable substrate (lipid) alone,
rather than oxidative stress, is the likely source of the
increase in reactive carbonyl precursors and the
resultant ALEs and AGEs in atherosclerosis. Nucleophilic
AGE-inhibitors, such as aminoguanidine and pyridoxamine,
which trap reactive carbonyls and inhibit the formation
of AGEs in diabetes, also trap bioactive lipids and
precursors of ALEs in atherosclerosis. These drugs should
be effective in retarding the development of
atherosclerosis, even in nondiabetic patients."

[7c] [Diabetes and vitamin levels] Tamai H in Nippon Rinsho
1999 Oct;57(10):2362-5 PMID: 10540887 "Administration of
vitamins to diabetic patients reduces insulin requirement
and attracts much attention for improvement of vascular
complications. Vitamins play as not only nutritional
supplements for deficiency, but pharmacological agents
for treatment."

[7d] In vitro kinetic studies of formation of antigenic
advanced glycation end products (AGEs). Novel inhibition
of post-Amadori glycation pathways. Booth AA, Khalifah
RG, Todd P, Hudson BG in J Biol Chem 1997 Feb
28;272(9):5430-7 PMID: 9038143 "Of several derivatives of
vitamins B1 and B6 recently studied for possible AGE
inhibition in the presence of glucose (Booth, A. A.,
Khalifah, R. G., and Hudson, B. G. (1996) Biochem.
Biophys. Res. Commun. 220, 113-119), pyridoxamine and, to
a lesser extent, thiamine pyrophosphate proved to be
novel and effective post-Amadori inhibitors that decrease
the final levels of AGEs formed."

[7e] Thiamine pyrophosphate and pyridoxamine inhibit the
formation of antigenic advanced glycation end-products:
comparison with aminoguanidine. Booth AA, Khalifah RG,
Hudson BG in Biochem Biophys Res Commun 1996 Mar
7;220(1):113-9 PMID: 8602828 "Among the inhibitors,
pyridoxamine and thiamine pyrophosphate potently
inhibited AGE formation and were more effective than
aminoguanidine, suggesting that these two compounds may
have novel therapeutic potential in preventing vascular
complications of diabetes."

[7f] Urinary biotin analogs increase in humans during chronic
supplementation: the analogs are biotin metabolites. Mock
DM, Heird GM in Am J Physiol 1997 Jan;272(1 Pt 1):E83-5
PMID: 9038855

[7g] Biotin supplementation improves glucose and insulin
tolerances in genetically diabetic KK mice. Reddi A,
DeAngelis B, Frank O, Lasker N, Baker H Life Sci
1988;42(13):1323-30 PMID: 3280936

[7h] Oral glucose tolerance test after high-dose i.v. biotin
administration in normoglucemic hemodialysis patients.
Koutsikos D, Fourtounas C, Kapetanaki A, Agroyannis B,
Tzanatos H, Rammos G, Kopelias I, Bosiolis B, Bovoleti
O, Darema M, Sallum G in Ren Fail 1996 Jan;18(1):131-7
PMID: 8820510

[7i] [Enhancement of glucose-induced insulin secretion and
modification of glucose metabolism by biotin] Furukawa Y
in Nippon Rinsho 1999 Oct;57(10):2261-9 PMID: 10540872

[7j] Biotin administration improves the impaired glucose
tolerance of streptozotocin-induced diabetic Wistar rats.
Zhang H, Osada K, Sone H, Furukawa Y in J Nutr Sci
Vitaminol (Tokyo) 1997 Jun;43(3):271-80 PMID: 9268917

[7k] A high biotin diet improves the impaired glucose
tolerance of long-term spontaneously hyperglycemic rats
with non-insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus. Zhang H,
Osada K, Maebashi M, Ito M, Komai M, Furukawa Y in J Nutr
Sci Vitaminol (Tokyo) 1996 Dec;42(6):517-26 PMID: 9089478

[7l] Magnesium supplementation reduces development of diabetes
in a rat model of spontaneous NIDDM. Balon TW, Gu JL,
Tokuyama Y, Jasman AP, Nadler JL in Am J Physiol 1995
Oct;269(4 Pt 1):E745-52 PMID: 7485490 "We examined the
effects of a magnesium-supplemented (Mg-S) diet in the
male obese Zucker diabetic fatty rat, a model of
non-insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus (NIDDM). Obese
rats were maintained on either a control (0.20% Mg) or
magnesium-supplemented (Mg-S; 1% Mg) diet for 6 wk
beginning at 6 wk of age. The rats maintained on the Mg-S
diet had markedly lower fasting and fed-state blood
glucose concentrations and an improved glucose disposal.
By 12 wk of age, all of the eight animals on the control
diet became diabetic, whereas diabetes developed in only
one of eight animals on the Mg-S diet. Insulin and
C-peptide concentrations, in addition to pancreatic
GLUT-2 and insulin mRNA expression, were higher in the
male obese Mg-S rats than in their control-fed
counterparts. A subgroup of rats on the control diet with
established diabetes was switched to a Mg-S diet for an
additional 4 wk. The Mg-S diet did not reverse diabetes
once already established. These data indicate that an
increased dietary Mg intake in male obese rats prevents
deterioration of glucose tolerance, thus delaying the
development of spontaneous NIDDM."

[7m] Synergistic interaction of magnesium and vanadate on
glucose metabolism in diabetic rats. Matsuda M, Mandarino
L, DeFronzo RA in Metabolism 1999 Jun;48(6):725-31 PMID:
10381146 "Based on these results, MgV is superior to
either V alone or Mg alone in improving insulin
sensitivity and glycogen synthesis in diabetic rats."

[7n] The effect of magnesium supplementation in increasing
doses on the control of type 2 diabetes. Lima Mde L, Cruz
T, Pousada JC, Rodrigues LE, Barbosa K, Cangucu V in
Diabetes Care 1998 May;21(5):682-6 PMID: 9589224 "In the
placebo and in the 20.7 mmol [0.5g] Mg groups, neither a
change in plasma and intracellular levels nor an
improvement in glycemic control were observed.
Replacement with 41.4 mmol [1g] Mg tended to increase
plasma, cellular, and urine Mg and caused a significant
fall (4.1 +/- 0.8 to 3.8 +/- .7 mmol/l) in fructosamine
(normal, 1.87-2.87 mmol/l). CONCLUSIONS: Mg depletion is
common in poorly controlled patients with type 2
diabetes, especially in those with neuropathy or coronary
disease. More prolonged use of Mg in doses that are
higher than usual is needed to establish its routine or
selective administration in patients with type 2 diabetes
to improve control or prevent chronic complications."

[7o] Improved insulin response and action by chronic magnesium
administration in aged NIDDM subjects. Paolisso G,
Sgambato S, Pizza G, Passariello N, Varricchio M,
D'Onofrio F in Diabetes Care 1989 Apr;12(4):265-9 PMID:
2651054 "In eight aged non-insulin-dependent diabetes
mellitus (NIDDM) subjects, insulin response and action
were studied before and after chronic magnesium
supplementation (2 g/day) to diet. [.] In conclusion, our
data suggest that NIDDM subjects may benefit from
therapeutic chronic administration of magnesium salts."

[7p] Daily magnesium supplements improve glucose handling in
elderly subjects. Paolisso G, Sgambato S, Gambardella A,
Pizza G, Tesauro P, Varricchio M, D'Onofrio F in Am J
Clin Nutr 1992 Jun;55(6):1161-7 PMID: 1595589 "aged
subjects were enrolled in a double-blind, randomized,
crossover study in which placebo (for 4 wk) and chronic
magnesium administration (CMA) (4.5
g/d for 4 wk) were provided. [.] CMA vs placebo significantly
increased erythrocyte magnesium concentration and improved
insulin response and action. Net increase in erythrocyte
magnesium significantly and positively correlated with the
decrease in erythrocyte membrane microviscosity and with the
net increase in both insulin secretion and action. In aged
patients, correction of a low erythrocyte magnesium
concentration may allow an improvement of glucose handling."

[7q] Magnesium Intake and Risk of Type 2 Diabetes in Men and
Women. Lopez-Ridaura R, Willett WC, Rimm EB, Liu S,
Stampfer MJ, Manson JE, Hu FB in Diabetes Care. 2004
Jan;27(1):134-140. PMID: 14693979 "Our findings suggest a
significant inverse association between magnesium intake
and diabetes risk."

[8] Potential antioxidant effects of zinc and chromium
supplementation in people with type 2 diabetes mellitus.
Anderson RA, Roussel AM, Zouari N, Mahjoub S, Matheau JM,
Kerkeni A in J Am Coll Nutr 2001 Jun;20(3):212-8 PMID:
11444416 "CONCLUSIONS: These data suggest the potential
beneficial antioxidant effects of the individual and
combined supplementation of Zn and Cr in people with type
2 DM. These results are particularly important in light
of the deleterious consequences of oxidative stress in
people with diabetes."

--
Cheers, Michael C Price
----------------------------------------
http://mcp.longevity-report.com
http://www.hedweb.com/manworld.htm

[Juhana Har]

Michael C Price wrote:
:: Nico Kadel-Garcia writes of my suggestion:
::
:::: In addition to chromium, try vanadium, niacin, biotin,
:::: magnesium B1, B6. The other B-vitamins would probably
:::: help as well.
:::

:: Calorie restriction (see later) also lowers glycation and
:: extends lifespan, but whether it will synergise with the
:: above micronutrients is unknown.
::
:: Summary: chromium5, 10, 55, magnesium128 and zinc91, 137,
:: along with vitamins B1 (thiamine)88c-e, B3 (niacin)55a, 85,
:: B6 (pyridoxine)88a-e and B7 (biotin)55d, 93, are effective
:: in preventing or ameliorating diabetes and, even in
:: non-diabetics, reducing glycation levels,
:: insulin-resistance and slowing aging. [...] Cheers, Michael
:: C Price
::
Vitamin D might also be very important. It is said that in
this study it was found that raising the serum 25(OH)D3
concentrations from level 25 nmol/L to 75 nmol/L increased
insulin sensitivity by 60 percent, more than any diabetes
drug. Unfortunately I don't have access to the full article.

Chiu KC, Chu A, Go VL, Saad MF. Hypovitaminosis D is
associated with insulin resistance and beta cell dysfunction.
Am J Clin Nutr. 2004 May;79(5):820-5.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db-
=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15113720

--
Juhana

[Juhana Har]

Juhana Harju wrote:
:: Michael C Price wrote:
:::: Nico Kadel-Garcia writes of my suggestion:
::::
:::::: In addition to chromium, try vanadium, niacin, biotin,
:::::: magnesium B1, B6. The other B-vitamins would probably
:::::: help as well.
:::::
::
:::: Calorie restriction (see later) also lowers glycation and
:::: extends lifespan, but whether it will synergise with the
:::: above micronutrients is unknown.
::::
:::: Summary: chromium5, 10, 55, magnesium128 and zinc91, 137,
:::: along with vitamins B1 (thiamine)88c-e, B3 (niacin)55a,
:::: 85, B6 (pyridoxine)88a-e and B7 (biotin)55d, 93, are
:::: effective in preventing or ameliorating diabetes and,
:::: even in non-diabetics, reducing glycation levels,
:::: insulin-resistance and slowing aging. [...] Cheers,
:::: Michael C Price
::::
:: Vitamin D might also be very important. It is said that in
:: this study it was found that raising the serum 25(OH)D3
:: concentrations from level 25 nmol/L to 75 nmol/L increased
:: insulin sensitivity by 60 percent, more than any diabetes
:: drug. Unfortunately I don't have access to the full
:: article.
::

One could also mention *cinnamon* (/Cinnamomum cassia/):

Diabetes Care. 2003 Dec;26(12):3215-8.

Cinnamon improves glucose and lipids of people with type
2 diabetes.

Khan A, Safdar M, Ali Khan MM, Khattak KN, Anderson RA.

Department of Human Nutrition, NWFP Agricultural University,
Peshawar, Pakistan.

OBJECTIVE: The objective of this study was to determine
whether cinnamon improves blood glucose, triglyceride, total
cholesterol, HDL cholesterol, and LDL cholesterol levels in
people with type 2 diabetes. RESEARCH DESIGN AND METHODS: A
total of 60 people with type 2 diabetes, 30 men and 30 women
aged 52.2 +/- 6.32 years, were divided randomly into six
groups. Groups 1, 2, and 3 consumed 1, 3, or 6 g of cinnamon
daily, respectively, and groups 4, 5, and 6 were given placebo
capsules corresponding to the number of capsules consumed for
the three levels of cinnamon. The cinnamon was consumed for 40
days followed by a 20-day washout period. RESULTS: After 40
days, all three levels of cinnamon reduced the mean fasting
serum glucose (18-29%), triglyceride (23-30%), LDL cholesterol
(7-27%), and total cholesterol (12-26%) levels; no significant
changes were noted in the placebo groups. Changes in HDL
cholesterol were not significant. CONCLUSIONS: The results of
this study demonstrate that intake of 1, 3, or 6 g of cinnamon
per day reduces serum glucose, triglyceride, LDL cholesterol,
and total cholesterol in people with type 2 diabetes and
suggest that the inclusion of cinnamon in the diet of people
with type 2 diabetes will reduce risk factors associated with
diabetes and cardiovascular diseases. PMID: 14633804

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db-
=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=14633804

--
Juhana

[Juhana Har]

Juhana Harju wrote:
:: Michael C Price wrote:
:::: Nico Kadel-Garcia writes of my suggestion:
::::
:::::: In addition to chromium, try vanadium, niacin, biotin,
:::::: magnesium B1, B6. The other B-vitamins would probably
:::::: help as well.
:::::
::
:::: Calorie restriction (see later) also lowers glycation and
:::: extends lifespan, but whether it will synergise with the
:::: above micronutrients is unknown.
::::
:::: Summary: chromium5, 10, 55, magnesium128 and zinc91, 137,
:::: along with vitamins B1 (thiamine)88c-e, B3 (niacin)55a,
:::: 85, B6 (pyridoxine)88a-e and B7 (biotin)55d, 93, are
:::: effective in preventing or ameliorating diabetes and,
:::: even in non-diabetics, reducing glycation levels,
:::: insulin-resistance and slowing aging. [...] Cheers,
:::: Michael C Price
::::
:: Vitamin D might also be very important. It is said that in
:: this study it was found that raising the serum 25(OH)D3
:: concentrations from level 25 nmol/L to 75 nmol/L increased
:: insulin sensitivity by 60 percent, more than any diabetes
:: drug. Unfortunately I don't have access to the full
:: article.
::
:: Chiu KC, Chu A, Go VL, Saad MF. Hypovitaminosis D is
:: associated with insulin resistance and beta cell
:: dysfunction. Am J Clin Nutr. 2004 May;79(5):820-5.
::
::
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db-
=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15113720
::

"Last year [2003], in a roundtable discussion at an
osteoporosis conference in Lausanne, Switzerland, Vieth,
Holick, Heaney, and others agreed that an optimal 25-D blood
concentration for most people is 75 to 80 nmol/l. Most
panelists, therefore, recommended that people strive for 800
to 1,000 IU [20-25 mcg] of Vitamin D daily to achieve it."

http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20041016/bob9.asp

--
Juhana

[Michael C]

Thanks Juhana, yes, vitamin D is emerging as the lastest star
in the nutritional heavens. I also forgot to mention zinc in
my original list.

Cheers, Michael C Price
----------------------------------------
http://mcp.longevity-report.com
http://www.hedweb.com/manworld.htm "Juhana Harju"
<shantigiri@despammed.com> wrote in message
news:36r8guF562c8gU1@individual.net...
> Michael C Price wrote:
> :: Nico Kadel-Garcia writes of my suggestion:
> ::
> :::: In addition to chromium, try vanadium, niacin, biotin,
> :::: magnesium B1, B6. The other B-vitamins would probably
> :::: help as well.
> :::
>
> :: Calorie restriction (see later) also lowers glycation and
> :: extends lifespan, but whether it will synergise with the
> :: above micronutrients is unknown.
> ::
> :: Summary: chromium5, 10, 55, magnesium128 and zinc91, 137,
> :: along with vitamins B1 (thiamine)88c-e, B3 (niacin)55a,
> :: 85, B6 (pyridoxine)88a-e and B7 (biotin)55d, 93, are
> :: effective in preventing or ameliorating diabetes and,
> :: even in non-diabetics, reducing glycation levels,
> :: insulin-resistance and slowing aging. [...] Cheers,
> :: Michael C Price
> ::
> Vitamin D might also be very important. It is said that in
> this study it was found that raising the serum 25(OH)D3
> concentrations from level 25 nmol/L to 75 nmol/L increased
> insulin sensitivity by 60 percent, more than any diabetes
> drug. Unfortunately I don't have access to the full article.
>
> Chiu KC, Chu A, Go VL, Saad MF. Hypovitaminosis D is
> associated with insulin resistance and beta cell
> dysfunction. Am J Clin Nutr. 2004 May;79(5):820-5.
>
>
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db-
=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15113720
>
> --
> Juhana

[Andrew B.]

analystresearch2002@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Just wanted to get some advice from experts on how to
> improve my body health.
>
> I have a family history of diabetes and heart disease (two
> grandparents died fro these diseases). I know for a fact
> that I have genetically inherited some potential for both
> from these symptoms:
>
> 1) Poor gyclose metabolism - when I have a large meal, I
> will feel a mild burn in my kidneys/liver. I usually end
> up only burning 20-30% of a large meal, the rest goes
> straight to fat. Chromium picolinate and garcinia
> cambogia supplementation has helped a lot. A few years
> back, I did a daily routine of jogging 2 miles and taking
> chronimum+garcinia and lost 10 pounds. I recently did the
> same routine after having gained weight and was able to
> lose 10 pounds again. Unfortunately I gain weight when
> not using the chromium/garcinia on a regular basis.

Would suggest you ask your doctor(s) about the 2PD Approach:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

> 2) Jogging capacity - I am unable to jog more than 2-3 miles
> at a time
> - I am muscularly in perfect shape, but after 2-3 miles, I
> get a severe cramp in my kidney/liver area, and inevitably
> have to stop. Is this related to sugar metabolism?

Unlikely.

> 3) Body shape - after 10 years of working around, I am hard
> as a rock literally everywhere, except for my stomach
> (which is a very awkward body shape). Even below the
> waist, my thighs and butt are very toned. But starting
> below my rib cage to above my waist, I still pack 10-15
> pounds of fat that appears nearly impossible to remove.
> Is there any way I can remove this?

Yes. The 2PD Approach.

> 4) Cholesterol - my total is well in a healthy range,
> however, my LDL (good cholesterol) is very very low - I
> have been trying to keep my cardio exercise up to
> increase it, but I wonder if there are other systemic
> reasons for why I would have a very low LDL.

You probably mean HDL. It is likely that you have
metabolic syndrome (MetS). The only known "cure" is
permanent weight loss.

> Based on these symptions, do you have any suggestions for
> creating improvement? In the short term, I want to remove
> the 10-15 pounds of fat so I don't look strange. In the long
> term, I want to take precautions through diet, exercise, and
> vitamin/mineral supplementation to ensure I don't have any
> substantial problems with diabetes or heart disease in the
> long run.

Permanent weight loss will address both your short term and
long term issues.

> All advice is greatly appreciated.

You are welcome.

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist

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[tcarter2]

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> analystresearch2002@yahoo.com wrote:

>
> > 3) Body shape - after 10 years of working around, I am
> > hard as a
rock
> > literally everywhere, except for my stomach (which is
> > a very
awkward
> > body shape). Even below the waist, my thighs and butt
> > are very
toned.
> > But starting below my rib cage to above my waist, I
> > still pack
10-15
> > pounds of fat that appears nearly impossible to remove.
> > Is there
any
> > way I can remove this?
>
> Yes. The 2PD Approach.
>
> > 4) Cholesterol - my total is well in a healthy range,
> > however, my
LDL
> > (good cholesterol) is very very low - I have been trying
> > to keep my cardio exercise up to increase it, but I wonder
> > if there are other systemic reasons for why I would have a
> > very low LDL.
>
> You probably mean HDL. It is likely that you have
> metabolic syndrome (MetS). The only known "cure" is
> permanent weight loss.
>

A good answer, Dr. Chung, and a correct one, but a bit
misleading. At any given weight stratum exercise is a
substantial benefit.

Thomas

> > Based on these symptions, do you have any suggestions for
> > creating improvement? In the short term, I want to remove
> > the 10-15 pounds
of
> > fat so I don't look strange. In the long term, I want to
> > take precautions through diet, exercise, and
> > vitamin/mineral
supplementation
> > to ensure I don't have any substantial problems with
> > diabetes or
heart
> > disease in the long run.
>
> Permanent weight loss will address both your short term and
> long term issues.
>
> > All advice is greatly appreciated.
>
> You are welcome.
>
> At His service,
>
> Andrew
>
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist
>
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[Olafur Pal]

analystresearch2002@yahoo.com wrote:
> 3) Body shape - after 10 years of working around, I am
> hard as a
rock
> literally everywhere, except for my stomach (which is a very
> awkward body shape). Even below the waist, my thighs and
> butt are very
toned.
> But starting below my rib cage to above my waist, I still
> pack 10-15 pounds of fat that appears nearly impossible to
> remove. Is there any way I can remove this?
Try to reduce stress in your life. There is evidence that
the stress hormone cortisol may contribute to central
obesity. Exersise is a great way to reduce stress as well as
body weight.

[Andrew B.]

Olafur Pall Olafsson wrote:
>
> analystresearch2002@yahoo.com wrote:
> > 3) Body shape - after 10 years of working around, I am
> > hard as a
> rock
> > literally everywhere, except for my stomach (which is a
> > very awkward body shape). Even below the waist, my thighs
> > and butt are very
> toned.
> > But starting below my rib cage to above my waist, I still
> > pack 10-15 pounds of fat that appears nearly impossible to
> > remove. Is there any way I can remove this?
> Try to reduce stress in your life. There is evidence that
> the stress hormone cortisol may contribute to central
> obesity.

... by increasing hunger.

> Exersise is a great way to reduce stress as well as body
> weight.

Exercise is neither necessary nor sufficient for permanent
weight loss especially when the overeating continues.

For this reason:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist

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[Socialism]

On 13 Feb 2005 18:42:27 -0800, "Olafur Pall Olafsson"
<olafurpall@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>analystresearch2002@yahoo.com wrote:
> > 3) Body shape - after 10 years of working around, I am
> > hard as a
>rock
>> literally everywhere, except for my stomach (which is a
>> very awkward body shape). Even below the waist, my thighs
>> and butt are very
>toned.
>> But starting below my rib cage to above my waist, I still
>> pack 10-15 pounds of fat that appears nearly impossible to
>> remove. Is there any way I can remove this?
>Try to reduce stress in your life. There is evidence that
>the stress hormone cortisol may contribute to central
>obesity. Exersise is a great way to reduce stress as well as
>body weight.
>

You might want to give phosphatidylserine a try. It helps
reduce the amount of cortisol in your body. Not the mention
the beneficial side effects on your brain.

--
"A society that robs an individual of the product of his
effort... is... a mob held together by institutionalized gang
rule." -- Ayn Rand

[Ozgirl]

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

Olafur Pall Olafsson :There is evidence that the stress
>> hormone cortisol may contribute to central obesity.
>
> ... by increasing hunger.

? Endocrinology is definitely not your strong point!

[Andrew B.]

Ozgirl wrote:
>
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>
> Olafur Pall Olafsson :There is evidence that the stress
> >> hormone cortisol may contribute to central obesity.
> >
> > ... by increasing hunger.
>
> ? Endocrinology is definitely not your strong point!

In truth, God has blessed me with His knowledge. With Him,
there is infinite strength.

You will be in my prayers, dear neighbor, whom I love, in Lord
Christ's holy name.

May you accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday,
so that you too will have eternal life and the unimaginable
riches of His infinite kingdom.

Here's how:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Please note that God truly made this special link describing
that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple
as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds
us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd
part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace
[who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD
Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
His presence known here on Usenet :-)

Also, note that Exodus 16:16 reminds us that 16 oz plus 16 oz
makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which
is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew.

Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

At His service,

Andrew

--
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[Tim Campbe]

Alf Christophersen wrote:

> You should be happy that you are living today and not was
> born 100 years ago. Then you possibly would have faced an
> early death because lack of chemicals and pills.

100 years ago infant mortality and childhood diseases were
chiefly responsible for the average shorter lifespans. If one
made it into adolesence one actually had a pretty good shot at
living into one's 80's or 90's as did my great grandparents.

Tim

[Alf Christ]

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:35:48 GMT, Socialism is a Mental
Disease <root@localhost.> wrote:

>You might want to give phosphatidylserine a try. It helps
>reduce the amount of cortisol in your body. Not the mention
>the beneficial side effects on your brain.

You should be happy that you are living today and not was born
100 years ago. Then you possibly would have faced an early
death because lack of chemicals and pills.

[Socialism]

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:07:03 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>
>In truth, God has blessed me with His knowledge.
>

Of course it has. Just don't forget to take the
multicolored pill, ok?

--
"A society that robs an individual of the product of his
effort... is... a mob held together by institutionalized gang
rule." -- Ayn Rand

[Happy Dog]

"Tim Campbell" <timcall@sbcglobal.net>
> Alf Christophersen wrote:
>
>> You should be happy that you are living today and not was
>> born 100 years ago. Then you possibly would have faced an
>> early death because lack of chemicals and pills.
>
> 100 years ago infant mortality and childhood diseases were
> chiefly responsible for the average shorter lifespans. If
> one made it into adolesence one actually had a pretty good
> shot at living into one's 80's or 90's as did my great
> grandparents.

They still are. Look at Washington vs. Salt Lake City.
However, modern medical care has made it possible for many
more people to live beyond 80 years of age than did a hundred
years ago.

moo

[Andrew B.]

Socialism is a Mental Disease wrote:
>
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:07:03 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
> MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
> >
> >In truth, God has blessed me with His knowledge.
> >
>
> Of course it has.

God, the Creator of the universe, has.

> Just don't forget to take the multicolored pill, ok?

Sounds like you speak from personal experience.

You will be in my prayers, dear neighbor, whom I love, in Lord
Christ's holy name.

May you accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday,
so that you too will have eternal life and the unimaginable
riches of His infinite kingdom.

Here's how:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Please note that God truly made this special link describing
that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple
as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds
us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd
part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace
[who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD
Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
His presence known here on Usenet :-)

Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz
plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of
weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew.

Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist

** Suggested Reading:
(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

[Socialism]

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:15:17 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>
>Socialism is a Mental Disease wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:07:03 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
>> MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >In truth, God has blessed me with His knowledge.
>> >
>>
>> Of course it has.
>
>God, the Creator of the universe, has.
>

Right, right! Just don't get upset, ok? But if you do, don't
forget to call the psych ward nurse.

--
"A society that robs an individual of the product of his
effort... is... a mob held together by institutionalized gang
rule." -- Ayn Rand

[Andrew B.]

Socialism is a Mental Disease wrote:
>
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:15:17 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
> MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
> >
> >Socialism is a Mental Disease wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:07:03 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
> >> MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >In truth, God has blessed me with His knowledge.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Of course it has.
> >
> >God, the Creator of the universe, has.
> >
>
> Right, right! Just don't get upset, ok?

Sorry God's blessing frightens you.

> But if you do, don't forget to call the psych ward nurse.
>

Would be glad to call your psych ward nurse for you.

You will be in my prayers, dear neighbor, whom I love, in
Christ's name.

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist

** Suggested Reading:
(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

[Socialism]

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:04:26 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>
>Socialism is a Mental Disease wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:15:17 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
>> MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >Socialism is a Mental Disease wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:07:03 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
>> >> MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >In truth, God has blessed me with His knowledge.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Of course it has.
>> >
>> >God, the Creator of the universe, has.
>> >
>>
>> Right, right! Just don't get upset, ok?
>
>Sorry God's blessing frightens you.
>

They frighten me as much as Donald Duck's blessings. Tell me,
do you hear voices?

>
>> But if you do, don't forget to call the psych ward nurse.
>>
>
>Would be glad to call your psych ward nurse for you.
>

Yeah, do that!

>
>You will be in my prayers, dear neighbor, whom I love, in
>Christ's name.
>

Whatever makes you happy, man!

--
"A society that robs an individual of the product of his
effort... is... a mob held together by institutionalized gang
rule." -- Ayn Rand

[Andrew B.]

Socialism is a Mental Disease wrote:
>
> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:04:26 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
> MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
> >
> >Socialism is a Mental Disease wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:15:17 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
> >> MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Socialism is a Mental Disease wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:07:03 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
> >> >> MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >In truth, God has blessed me with His knowledge.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Of course it has.
> >> >
> >> >God, the Creator of the universe, has.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Right, right! Just don't get upset, ok?
> >
> >Sorry God's blessing frightens you.
> >
>
> They frighten me as much as Donald Duck's blessings.

I discern something else.

> Tell me, do you hear voices?

No.

> >
> >> But if you do, don't forget to call the psych ward nurse.
> >>
> >
> >Would be glad to call your psych ward nurse for you.
> >
>
> Yeah, do that!
>
> >
> >You will be in my prayers, dear neighbor, whom I love, in
> >Christ's name.
> >
>
> Whatever makes you happy, man!
>

May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior,
someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
unimaginable riches of His everlasting kingdom.

Here's how:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Please note that God truly made this special link describing
that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple
as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds
us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd
part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace
[who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD
Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
His presence known here on Usenet :-)

Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz
plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of
weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew.

Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist

** Suggested Reading:
(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

[Henry]

> FWIW, if you google Andrew Chung, you'll find that he's an
> internet whacko of long-standing.

If this guy is who he says he is, he does indeed seem to be
board certified. It worries me that people with clear mental
problems like this are still board certified!

[Andrew B.]

Henry wrote:
>
> > FWIW, if you google Andrew Chung, you'll find that he's an
> > internet whacko of long-standing.
>
> If this guy is who he says he is, he does indeed seem to be
> board certified.

I am.

> It worries me that people with clear mental problems like
> this are still board certified!

It seems you believe you live in a country where the insane
run the asylum.

Without Christ, you can only fear.

You will be in my prayers, dear Henry, whom I love, in
Christ's name.

May you accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday,
so that you too will have eternal life and the limitlessly
interesting riches of His everlasting kingdom.

Here's how:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Please note that God truly made this special link describing
that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple
as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds
us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd
part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace
[who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD
Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
His presence known here on Usenet :-)

Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz
plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of
weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew.

Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist

** Suggested Reading:
(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

[Garyg]

"Socialism is a Mental Disease" <root@localhost.> wrote in
message news:he6311lkbs13p1p1u8saa4b2up5plv2h00@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:04:26 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
> MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
> >
> >Socialism is a Mental Disease wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:15:17 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
> >> MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Socialism is a Mental Disease wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:07:03 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
> >> >> MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >In truth, God has blessed me with His knowledge.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Of course it has.
> >> >
> >> >God, the Creator of the universe, has.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Right, right! Just don't get upset, ok?
> >
> >Sorry God's blessing frightens you.
> >
>
> They frighten me as much as Donald Duck's blessings. Tell
> me, do you hear voices?
>
> >
> >> But if you do, don't forget to call the psych ward nurse.
> >>
> >
> >Would be glad to call your psych ward nurse for you.
> >
>
> Yeah, do that!
>
> >
> >You will be in my prayers, dear neighbor, whom I love, in
> >Christ's name.
> >
>
> Whatever makes you happy, man!
>
>
> --
> "A society that robs an individual of the product of his
> effort... is... a mob held together by institutionalized
> gang rule." -- Ayn Rand

Good thread!

FWIW, if you google Andrew Chung, you'll find that he's an
internet whacko of long-standing. He thinks he's on a mission
from god, and that he has been granted special powers of
"truth discernment" (meaning, the truth is anything that he
says it is). His posts seem to come and go from time to time,
but he now appears to have entered another manic phase in the
last few days.

GG

[Andrew B.]

GaryG wrote:
>
> "Socialism is a Mental Disease" <root@localhost.> wrote in
> message news:he6311lkbs13p1p1u8saa4b2up5plv2h00@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:04:26 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
> > MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >Socialism is a Mental Disease wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:15:17 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
> > >> MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >Socialism is a Mental Disease wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:07:03 -0500, "Andrew B.
> > >> >> Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >In truth, God has blessed me with His knowledge.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Of course it has.
> > >> >
> > >> >God, the Creator of the universe, has.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> Right, right! Just don't get upset, ok?
> > >
> > >Sorry God's blessing frightens you.
> > >
> >
> > They frighten me as much as Donald Duck's blessings. Tell
> > me, do you hear voices?
> >
> > >
> > >> But if you do, don't forget to call the psych ward
> > >> nurse.
> > >>
> > >
> > >Would be glad to call your psych ward nurse for you.
> > >
> >
> > Yeah, do that!
> >
> > >
> > >You will be in my prayers, dear neighbor, whom I love, in
> > >Christ's name.
> > >
> >
> > Whatever makes you happy, man!
> >
> >
> > --
> > "A society that robs an individual of the product of his
> > effort... is... a mob held together by institutionalized
> > gang rule." -- Ayn Rand
>
> Good thread!
>
> FWIW, if you google Andrew Chung, you'll find that he's an
> internet whacko of long-standing. He thinks he's on a
> mission from god, and that he has been granted special
> powers of "truth discernment" (meaning, the truth is
> anything that he says it is). His posts seem to come and go
> from time to time, but he now appears to have entered
> another manic phase in the last few days.
>
> GG

You remain in my prayers, dear Gary, whom I love, in
Christ's name.

May you accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday,
so that you too will have eternal life and the limitlessly
interesting riches of His everlasting kingdom.

Here's how:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Please note that God truly made this special link describing
that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple
as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds
us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd
part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace
[who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD
Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
His presence known here on Usenet :-)

Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz
plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of
weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew.

Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist

** Suggested Reading:
(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A

[Bob]

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Henry wrote:
>
>>>FWIW, if you google Andrew Chung, you'll find that he's an
>>>internet whacko of long-standing.
>>
>>If this guy is who he says he is, he does indeed seem to be
>>board certified.
>
> I am.

He seem to be. But, rather telling, he has no privileges at
any hospitals despite his usual weaseling and waffling
about why he sometimes has them listed and other times no.
Calling the hospitals he claims results in unanimous "not
here" messages.

>>It worries me that people with clear mental problems like
>>this are still board certified!
>
> It seems you believe you live in a country where the insane
> run the asylum.

Oh, Andrew. More confused understanding of what words mean.
A charlatan who posts here recently noted that "Neologism
is a marker of worsening cognitive deficits..." and I
suggest you take that seriously. The above shouldn't lead
to the judgmental conclusion you arrive at. Perhaps it's a
matter of your shifting the meanings in some Humpty-Dumpty
way. Not a good sign. If you know any real doctors, have
one look you over.

Some of us are worried about you. Not all that many, but, hey,
one or two is some.

Bob

[Andrew B.]

It seems that your reading comprehension continues to
deteriorate.

Zee is likely to attribute this to statins.

You will remain in my prayers, dear Bob, whom I love, in
Christ's name.

May you accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday,
so that you too will have eternal life and the limitlessly
interesting riches of His everlasting kingdom.

Here's how:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Please note that God truly made this special link describing
that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple
as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds
us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd
part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace
[who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD
Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
His presence known here on Usenet :-)

Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz
plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of
weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew.

Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist

** Suggested Reading:
(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A

"Bob (this one)" wrote:
>
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Henry wrote:
> >
> >>>FWIW, if you google Andrew Chung, you'll find that he's
> >>>an internet whacko of long-standing.
> >>
> >>If this guy is who he says he is, he does indeed seem to
> >>be board certified.
> >
> > I am.
>
> He seem to be. But, rather telling, he has no privileges at
> any hospitals despite his usual weaseling and waffling about
> why he sometimes has them listed and other times no. Calling
> the hospitals he claims results in unanimous "not here"
> messages.
>
> >>It worries me that people with clear mental problems like
> >>this are still board certified!
> >
> > It seems you believe you live in a country where the
> > insane run the asylum.
>
> Oh, Andrew. More confused understanding of what words mean.
> A charlatan who posts here recently noted that "Neologism
> is a marker of worsening cognitive deficits..." and I
> suggest you take that seriously. The above shouldn't lead
> to the judgmental conclusion you arrive at. Perhaps it's a
> matter of your shifting the meanings in some Humpty-Dumpty
> way. Not a good sign. If you know any real doctors, have
> one look you over.
>
> Some of us are worried about you. Not all that many, but,
> hey, one or two is some.
>
> Bob

[Socialism]

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:11:53 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>
>Socialism is a Mental Disease wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:04:26 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
>> MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >Socialism is a Mental Disease wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:15:17 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
>> >> MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >Socialism is a Mental Disease wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:07:03 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
>> >> >> MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >In truth, God has blessed me with His knowledge.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Of course it has.
>> >> >
>> >> >God, the Creator of the universe, has.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Right, right! Just don't get upset, ok?
>> >
>> >Sorry God's blessing frightens you.
>> >
>>
>> They frighten me as much as Donald Duck's blessings.
>
>I discern something else.
>

I'm not surprised.

>
>> Tell me, do you hear voices?
>
>No.
>

Good for you.

>
>May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior
>

Sorry, no. Christianity is a myth and should be treated as
such.

--
"A society that robs an individual of the product of his
effort... is... a mob held together by institutionalized gang
rule." -- Ayn Rand

[Socialism]

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:29:26 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>
>Sorry my choice to be openly Christian bothers you.
>

Whatever, nutcase!

--
"A society that robs an individual of the product of his
effort... is... a mob held together by institutionalized gang
rule." -- Ayn Rand

[Socialism]

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:29:27 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>
>Socialism is a Mental Disease wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:11:53 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
>> MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
><snip>
>> >May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior
>>
>> Sorry, no. Christianity is a myth and should be treated
>> as such.
>
>Christianity is as much a myth as the United States of
>America.
>

Go take your pills, go, nutcase!

--
"A society that robs an individual of the product of his
effort... is... a mob held together by institutionalized gang
rule." -- Ayn Rand

[Socialism]

On 15 Feb 2005 08:46:23 -0800, "Henry" <smcx1@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
>> FWIW, if you google Andrew Chung, you'll find that he's an
>> internet whacko of long-standing.
>
>If this guy is who he says he is, he does indeed seem to be
>board certified. It worries me that people with clear mental
>problems like this are still board certified!
>

Maybe he's a board certified nutcase?

--
"A society that robs an individual of the product of his
effort... is... a mob held together by institutionalized gang
rule." -- Ayn Rand

[Andrew B.]

Socialism is a Mental Disease wrote:
>
> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:11:53 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
> MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
<snip>
> >May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior
>
> Sorry, no. Christianity is a myth and should be treated
> as such.

Christianity is as much a myth as the United States of
America. It seems you believe that if you close your eyes hard
enough, you can make things disappear.

You will remain in my prayers, dear neighbor, whom I love, in
Lord Christ's holy name.

May you accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday,
so that you too will have eternal life and the unimaginably
interesting riches of His infinite kingdom.

Here's how:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Please note that God truly made this special link describing
that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple
as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds
us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd
part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace
[who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD
Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
His presence known here on Usenet :-)

Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz
plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of
weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew.

Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist

** Suggested Reading:
(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

[Andrew B.]

Socialism is a Mental Disease wrote:
>
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:29:27 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
> MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
> >
> >Socialism is a Mental Disease wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:11:53 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
> >> MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
> ><snip>
> >> >May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior
> >>
> >> Sorry, no. Christianity is a myth and should be treated
> >> as such.
> >
> >Christianity is as much a myth as the United States of
> >America.
>
> Go take your pills, go, nutcase!
>

Ouch. You may have at the other cheek.

You will remain in my prayers, dear neighbor, whom I love, in
Lord Christ's holy name.

May you accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday,
so that you too will have eternal life and the unimaginable
riches of His infinite kingdom.

Here's how:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Please note that God truly made this special link describing
that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple
as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds
us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd
part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace
[who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD
Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
His presence known here on Usenet :-)

Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz
plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of
weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew.

Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist

** Suggested Reading:
(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

[Andrew B.]

Socialism is a Mental Disease wrote:
>
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:29:26 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
> MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
> >
> >Sorry my choice to be openly Christian bothers you.
> >
>
> Whatever, nutcase!

Ouch. You may have at the other cheek.

You will remain in my prayers, dear neighbor, whom I love, in
Lord Christ's holy name.

May you accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday,
so that you too will have eternal life and the unimaginable
riches of His infinite kingdom.

Here's how:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Please note that God truly made this special link describing
that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple
as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds
us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd
part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace
[who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD
Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
His presence known here on Usenet :-)

Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz
plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of
weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew.

Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist

** Suggested Reading:
(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

[Andrew B.]

Sorry my choice to be openly Christian bothers you.

Again, Lord Christ teaches from Matthew 5:

11Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and
falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.
12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven,
for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were
before you.

You will remain in my prayers, dear neighbor, whom I love, in
Lord Christ's holy name.

May you accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday,
so that you too will have eternal life and the unimaginable
riches of His everlasting kingdom.

Here's how:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Please note that God truly made this special link describing
that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple
as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds
us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd
part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace
[who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD
Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
His presence known here on Usenet :-)

Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz
plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of
weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew.

Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist

** Suggested Reading:
(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Socialism is a Mental Disease wrote:
>
> On 15 Feb 2005 08:46:23 -0800, "Henry"
> <smcx1@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> FWIW, if you google Andrew Chung, you'll find that he's
> >> an internet whacko of long-standing.
> >
> >If this guy is who he says he is, he does indeed seem to be
> >board certified. It worries me that people with clear
> >mental problems like this are still board certified!
> >
>
> Maybe he's a board certified nutcase?
>
> --
> "A society that robs an individual of the product of his
> effort... is... a mob held together by institutionalized
> gang rule." -- Ayn Rand

[Bob]

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

> It seems that your reading comprehension continues to
> deteriorate.
>
> Zee is likely to attribute this to statins.

<LOL> Shallow idiot insults.

"To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow, Creeps in this petty
pace from day to day To the last syllable of recorded time,
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools The way to dusty
death. Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a
poor player That struts and frets his hour upon the stage And
then is heard no more: it is a tale Told by an idiot, full of
sound and fury, Signifying nothing."

Bob

[Andrew B.]

It remains painful to watch you judge yourself.

You will remain in my prayers, dear Bob, whom I love, in Lord
Christ's holy name.

May you accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday,
so that you too will have eternal life and the unimaginable
riches of His infinite kingdom.

Here's how:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Please note that God truly made this special link describing
that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple
as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds
us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd
part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace
[who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD
Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
His presence known here on Usenet :-)

Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz
plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of
weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew.

Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist

** Suggested Reading:
(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

"Bob (this one)" wrote:
>
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>
> > It seems that your reading comprehension continues to
> > deteriorate.
> >
> > Zee is likely to attribute this to statins.
>
> <LOL> Shallow idiot insults.
>
> "To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow, Creeps in this
> petty pace from day to day To the last syllable of recorded
> time, And all our yesterdays have lighted fools The way to
> dusty death. Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking
> shadow, a poor player That struts and frets his hour upon
> the stage And then is heard no more: it is a tale Told by an
> idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing."
>
> Bob

[Bob]

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

> It remains painful to watch you judge yourself.

<LOL> Rubber-glue monologue. This as a reply to:

-------------------------
"Bob (this one)" wrote:

>> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>
>>>> It seems that your reading comprehension continues to
>>>> deteriorate.
>>>>
>>>> Zee is likely to attribute this to statins.

>>
>> <LOL> Shallow idiot insults.
>>
>> "To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow, Creeps in this
>> petty pace from day to day To the last syllable of recorded
>> time, And all our yesterdays have lighted fools The way to
>> dusty death. Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking
>> shadow, a poor player That struts and frets his hour upon
>> the stage And then is heard no more: it is a tale Told by
>> an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing."
>>
>> Bob
------------

Poor, poor Chung.

Bob

[Andrew B.]

Without Christ, you will only continue to despair.

You will remain in my prayers, dear Bob, whom I love, in Lord
Christ's holy name.

May you accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday,
so that you too will have eternal life and the unimaginable
riches of His infinite kingdom.

Here's how:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Please note that God truly made this special link describing
that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple
as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds
us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd
part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace
[who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD
Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
His presence known here on Usenet :-)

Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz
plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of
weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew.

Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist

** Suggested Reading:
(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2F325D1A
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

"Bob (this one)" wrote:
>
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>
> > It remains painful to watch you judge yourself.
>
> <LOL> Rubber-glue monologue. This as a reply to:
>
> -------------------------
> "Bob (this one)" wrote:
>
> >> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> >>
> >>>> It seems that your reading comprehension continues to
> >>>> deteriorate.
> >>>>
> >>>> Zee is likely to attribute this to statins.
>
> >>
> >> <LOL> Shallow idiot insults.
> >>
> >> "To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow, Creeps in this
> >> petty pace from day to day To the last syllable of
> >> recorded time, And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
> >> The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle! Life's
> >> but a walking shadow, a poor player That struts and frets
> >> his hour upon the stage And then is heard no more: it is
> >> a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
> >> Signifying nothing."
> >>
> >> Bob
> ------------
>
> Poor, poor Chung.
>
> Bob

[Kristofer]

In misc.health.alternative analystresearch2002@yahoo.com
wrote:

> Just wanted to get some advice from experts on how to
> improve my body health.

http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org/immunecf.htm

--
.
. _o Kristofer Dale,
. _ \<,_ ragged individualist,
. _____( )/ ( )_____ statistic at large... .

p.s. Learn and live, http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org