Interleukin-2 induced T-cell apoptosis and taurine prevention in a cell line

[Alf Christ]

See:

Clin Exp Immunol. 2005 Feb;139(2):279-86. Related
Articles, Links

Taurine attenuates CD3/interleukin-2-induced T cell apoptosis
in an in vitro model of activation-induced cell death (AICD).

Maher SG, Condron CE, Bouchier-Hayes DJ, Toomey DM.

Department of Surgery, Royal College of Surgeons in
Ireland, Education and Research Centre, Beaumont Hospital,
Dublin, Ireland.

[Montygram]

I'm just curious about why you are posting this information on
this newsgroup. Do you think most people who read it will
understand the possible dietary connections? Why not tell us
what point you are trying to make here? Taurine has
anti-stressor properties, and you are on the right track, but
if you don't explain your point, few will even read this, let
alone understand it. Why not tell people when they should eat
foods high in taurine, for example? Or do you think taurine
supplementation is indicated in certain cases? Interestingly,
this kind of study is supportive on what I've posted on this
NG about so-called "AIDS" - at least the idea that the
harmless HIV virus does something that nobody can detect, that
somehow kills people in one of 30 different ways (all of which
are independent illnessess in their own right) an
indeterminate amount of time later (which the "experts" tell
us has changed dramatically since the early days, even though
there is absolutely no reason why, according to their way of
explaining it all), in a way that is inconsistent with
everything know about viruses up to this point in history, and
for no apparent reason. It's all about stress. When your cells
are stressed, certain substances are secreted or metabolized.
These substances can be very dangerous, which is why there is
so much focus on chronic inflammation these days. There was an
entire Charlie Rose show devoted to it, in fact.

[Mikev]

This scientist probably thought that this group might be
populated with people interested in the MEDical SCIence of
Nutrition, rather than in the fantasies of self
aggrandizing twits.

[Mr-Natural]

montygram wrote:

> I'm just curious about why you are posting this information
> on this newsgroup. Do you think most people who read it will
> understand the possible dietary connections? Why not tell us
> what point you are trying to make here?

This is the point that you were making and I agree completely.

I am, also, well aware of Alf's long time interest in taurine.

To be perfectly clear, a little commentary on top as to why we
should be reading your post would be highly recommended even
in a science ng.

See: http://naturalhealthperspective.com/blog/ for examples.

[John Que]

Alf has been posting here long before you started.

Get a clue monty.

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[mattlb]

>> I'm just curious about why you are posting this information
>> on this newsgroup. Do you think most people who read it
>> will understand the possible dietary connections? Why not
>> tell us what point you are trying to make here?

>This is the point that you were making and I agree
>completely.

>I am, also, well aware of Alf's long time interest in
>taurine.

>To be perfectly clear, a little commentary on top as to why
>we should be reading your post would be highly recommended
>even in a science ng.

Ha, wouldn't you just know that montygram and John The Man
would eventually find they're kindred spirits.

MattLB

[Mr-Natural]

mattlb@angelfire.com wrote:

> Ha, wouldn't you just know that montygram and John The Man
> would eventually find they're kindred spirits.

Now, if only the 'Unnecessary Duplicant' would figure out that
he is unnecessary. :(

[Alf Christ]

On 4 Feb 2005 13:56:14 -0800, "montygram"
<nazztrader@lycos.com> wrote:

>I'm just curious about why you are posting this information
>on this newsgroup. Do you think most people who read it will
>understand the possible dietary connections? Why not tell us
>what point you are trying to make here? Taurine has
>anti-stressor properties, and you are on the right track, but
>if you don't explain your point, few will even read this, let
>alone understand it. Why not tell people when they

Fish, shellfish, offals,especiallyfrom wild,non-domesticated
animals and chicken legs are the prime sources of taurine in
western diet. So eat more of those ingredients.

On Crete, we do not know exactly what is the prime source, but
earlier publications has mentioned that Cretes do range no 2
worldwide in whole blood content of taurine, Japanese
population eating sushi and drinking some special tonics hich
in taurine ranging no 1. The same populations has the lowest
rates of heart diseases.

It might be that high intake of wild animals like rabbits may
be the source of taurine on Crete.

[Mr-Natural]

MikeV wrote:

> This scientist probably thought that this group might be
> populated with people interested in the MEDical SCIence of
> Nutrition, rather than in the fantasies of self
> aggrandizing twits.

This self aggrandizing twit, got the job done. But, you
did NOT. :)

Just thought that you might want to know.

[Alf Christ]

On 4 Feb 2005 13:56:14 -0800, "montygram"
<nazztrader@lycos.com> wrote:

>supplementation is indicated in certain cases? Interestingly,
>this kind of study is supportive on what I've posted on this
>NG about so-called "AIDS" - at least the idea that the
>harmless HIV virus does something that nobody can detect,
>that somehow kills people in one of

The effect on HIV is possible, but indirectly.

GSH status is reported to be very important in protection of
cells against virus and bacterial reproduction/immunological
fighting. More obvious maybe in tuberculosis prevention.

The other report I sent a pointer to shows how an exchange
from 60% starch in diet to 60% fructose in diet induced
insuline resistance in rats, while addition of taurine
completely abolish the effect of fructose. In the same time,
it also turns out that presence of taurine in diet also
abolish decreases in antioxidant system markers like free
GSH, GSPx activity, C-vitamin activity etc. And taurine given
to controls only receiving starch even increased slightly
these markers, while fructose decreases these significantly
for most of them.

The article commented here was just an additional article
since apoptosis of beta-cells and prevention of that by
taurine also has been shown.

My point is that the extremely low intake of taurine in
western diet may be one of the things in diet that increase
chances of getting both diabetes (and since it has also been
shown in China that lack of taurine increase weight gain due
to changes in how lipids are transported etc.) and maybe also
being a part of the weight gain problems in primarily US, but
now also in some countries in Europe.