Holy Crap! I am in dudes

[Elderiron]

I have lowcarbed before and it worked, but after a few days I was sick of looking at the processed square salty foods. It's not right I want simple.

I like taking a small piece of meat and taking lots of time to put a few choice seasonings with it while it cooks.

I want to know which vegies to put with it. I'll figure it out don't help. lOW GLYCEMIC

I want to know which nuts to eat..Tell me this one. It will be a few days before my book gets here. TELL ME ABOUT NUTS!!!!!!

I can't wait to shop each morning for fresh foods. There is a giant grocery store across the road from me. I will be there at 5 am tomorrow.

I swear to you if I have to taste processed meat salt one more time then I will vomit.

I hate salt and I hate sugar. Oh hell, I am done..more tomorrow.

[Lisa N]

Hi there Elderiron!

When it comes to nuts, you have to remember that you can't go nuts. :)
Small amounts (a handful at most) are best and not handful after handful, either. A serving of most nuts is about 1/4 cup.
The lower carb nuts would be almonds, pecans, macadamia nuts, peanuts and walnuts. Cashews are higher in carbs per serving, so are best left alone for now.
I know you said not to help with the veggies, but I can't help myself. Think dark green and colorful. Things like spinach, green beans, Romaine lettuce, broccoli, zucchini, cauliflower, peppers (red, yellow and green), cabbage (red and green) and tomatoes.
Good success to you!

[kAd]

I think Lisa has covered everything. I just wanted to wish you the best of luck! :)

[dent_moose]

Think tree nuts - no cashews, no peanuts... (in the Neanderthin book)
and vegetables that grow above ground... no root types... or think in the terms of 'what can I eat raw'. but this is just a general rule.

[MichaelG]

Hi, you're on the right track. Roots should be ok, here in Australia you can actually talk to people whose grandparents were Paleolithic! They spent lots of time digging up yams and roots, and water lily roots are still popular with tribal aborigines (I think there are similar things in chinese cookery). I use some carrots and sweet potato, but white potatoes are an agricultural invention in the same category as wheat and rice.

MichaelG

[MichaelG]

just to clarify, potatoes are tubers not roots, just as peanuts are legumes, not nuts! Yams are roots, and I'm honestly not sure about sweet potatoes, I think they are rhizomes. AARRGGH

MichaelG

[dent_moose]

Just my understanding is that most (if not all) foods that grow underground is off limits... but this is just a general guide for me and my understanding and YMMV. I have seen in different areas of palio and neander food thought this is open to interpretation. It seems to me that most underground tuber/roots types are high in startch/sugars. That does not mean that all above ground types are ok either. Corn comes to mind as well as all legumes. Mankind has eaten different items both above and below ground and seem to do just fine, so sometimes it comes down to what you feel may work for you (potatoes & more).

[LOOPS]

Actually white potatoes originated here in Chile, and the native Indians here have been eating them as their staple for a VERY LONG TIME. They have lots of different types.

However, they are Chilean, and I am N European, which makes me very different. I can't cope with potatoes, they make me fat.

Loops

[MichaelG]

I read somewhere that the reason potatoes succeeded as a staple crop was that, in South America, maize can not be grown above a certain altitude (depending on how far away you are from the equator) and that potatoes do quite well above this line.
Obviously there must have been wild varieties which were later cultivated and "refined", so some people must have discovered that they were o.k. cooked, and so it began.

MichaelG

[dent_moose]

I can't cope with potatoes, they make me fat.
Loops

Me too... and they are a weakness for me. I have to avoid them like the plague.

[csoar2004]

ok, so you didn't want help with veggies, but you're going to get it anyhoo. So sue me! :D

Don't forget to be adventurous! Try jicama, kolrabi, celery root, fennel bulb, daikon. All are unique, delish AND make a credible potato substitute, with the right spices. What's not to like? ;) :p

[Lobstergal]

Just my understanding is that most (if not all) foods that grow underground is off limits...

Does this mean no more carrots, parsnips and beets and turnips?

[dent_moose]

Does this mean no more carrots, parsnips and beets and turnips?

If I remember from the Neanderthin book correctly, they are off limits (or some of them) but I will have to check. I could be wrong and I will check soon as I can (at work at the moment)... I have seen others eat these so it may be with a matter of how you feel about them or eat them on occasion.

[dent_moose]

This may help:

Roots and tubers are the storage parts of a plant, where energy is stored as long chains of carbohydrates to support the plant in winter and non-vegetative periods. Typically, starchy foods should be eaten in smaller amounts and preferably in combination with some kind of fat (e.g. butter) to slow absorption and stabilize blood sugar. Historically, our Paleolithic ancestors consumed roots and tubers in their diet, but these typically bitter and gnarly wild roots cannot be compared to the sweet, hybridized versions commonly consumed today. Diabetics and those patients on a weight loss program should avoid very starchy vegetables like potatoes, carrots, sweet potatoes, yams, taro, cassava, well-cooked onions, parsnips, beets, and winter squash. Roots and tubers however are typically excellent sources of indigestible fiber that help support the normal microbial flora of the intestinal tract, especially so if the skins and peels are eaten. Thus some patients who suffer from constipation or candidiasis (yeast syndrome) may require a larger proportion of these foods in their diet until the ecological equilibrium of the gut is restored. The best roots and tubers include:

•burdock root
•raw daikon and red radish root
•small amounts of raw or lightly cooked onions
•garlic
•ginger
•most edible wild roots

http://www.wrc.net/phyto/paleodiet.html

So YMMV... :)

[Lobstergal]

If I remember from the Neanderthin book correctly, they are off limits (or some of them) but I will have to check. I could be wrong and I will check soon as I can (at work at the moment)... I have seen others eat these so it may be with a matter of how you feel about them or eat them on occasion.

I have to reread the book myself. It has been some time since I have done so and since I am considering going back on Neanderthin it would behoove me to do so.

[dent_moose]

I did a quick look last night in the book and I did see carrots in some of the recipes... I guess that moderation is best with some vegies that are higher in startch/suger. I think that a "bad" vegetable is still better than a "bag of chips" if you have nothing else to choose from...

[Lobstergal]

I did a quick look last night in the book and I did see carrots in some of the recipes... I guess that moderation is best with some vegies that are higher in startch/suger. I think that a "bad" vegetable is still better than a "bag of chips" if you have nothing else to choose from...

Even a banana (I know it is a fruit..I'm just using it for comparison) is better then a bag of chips.

[dent_moose]

Even a banana (I know it is a fruit..I'm just using it for comparison) is better then a bag of chips.

amen to that... :agree:

[Duparc]

How did our forebearers gather carbs during the 10,000 year Ice age?

[Dodger]

How did our forebearers gather carbs during the 10,000 year Ice age?
They chipped them out of the ice and defrosted them in the microwave!

[MichaelG]

Whilst there were lots of people living in cold areas during the ice age there were lots more who still lived in Africa, the Middle East etc. Australia and S.E. Asia were settled by Homo Sapiens at least 60 thousand years ago.
Thus much of humankind probably did what Aborigines still do when the go gathering, and dig up a few roots, find a few berries and other types of fruit. However apart from this fairly minor source of carbs, the main diet, as always, would have been the most concentrated form of kilojoules - i.e. on the hoof (or wing or fin!)
Michael
Australia

[secondtyme]

Eat lots of healthy greens! Nuts in moderation! And stop spending so much energy thinking about food! Get out there and exercise to keep your mind off it! Steam some broccoli rabe and whenever you get hungry, for a snack , throw some light marinara sauce on it and grated cheese! Fulfilling and light!!!

[Wyvrn]

Yeah! What secondtyme said... and wouldn't it all look wonderful garnishing a plate with a large, fine slab of rare, juicy prime rib in the middle!

:)

Wyv