National Weight Control Registry exposed

[Tcomeau]

National Weight Control Registry

http://www.uchsc.edu/nutrition/Administration/admin.htm

http://www.uchsc.edu/nutrition/WyattJortberg/nwcr.htm

James O. Hill, PhD Rena Wing, PhD

James O. Hill, Ph.D., Professor of Pediatrics and Director,
Center for Human Nutrition at the University of Colorado
Health Sciences Center, Denver, CO. Research support from
Amgen, Hoffman-LaRoche, Procter & Gamble, and Knoll
Pharmaceuticals; has received consultant fees from Knoll,
Roche Laboratories, International Life Sciences Institute, and
Procter & Gamble and is a consultant to the Duke Diet and
Fitness Center. (Newark Star-Ledger, 2/17/97). President,
North American Association for the Study of Obesity. (USA
Today, 9/1/98) Lead author of a study on olestra supported by
a grant from Procter & Gamble. (Am.
J. Clin. Nutr. 1998;67:1178-85) Co-wrote (with Barbara Rolls)
a 1998 report for ILSI on "Carbohydrates and Weight
Management." Participated in a 3/25/99 panel assembled by
the Sugar Association to inform New York magazine editors
about obesity, calories, and activity. (Sugar Association's
1999 annual report, http://www.foodingredientsonline.com;
accessed 03/30/99) Research on the effects of covert
substitution of olestra for conventional fat on spontaneous
food intake supported by Procter & Gamble. (Am. J. Clin.
Nutr. 1998;67:1178-85) Research on the role of
carbohydrates in weight management was supported by the
Sugar Association. (Letter from Sugar Association to USDA;
on file with CSPI; 4/16/99) Research on using Orlistat for
weight maintenance funded by Hoffmann-La Roche. (Am. J.
Clin. Nutr. 1999;69:1108-16) Member of the Foodfit.com
advisory board.
(http://www.foodfit.com/about/advisoryBoard.asp;
accessed 11/11/00) Research on weight management
supported in part by Abbott Laboratories. (J. Amer.
Coll. Nutr. 2001;20:26-31) Member of the McDonald's
Corporation Global Advisory Council on Healthy
Lifestyles; formed to "help guide the company on
activities that address the need for balanced, healthy
lifestyles." (http://www.mcdonalds.com/corporate/press/-
corporate/2003/05212003/; accessed 6/23/03) Receives
consulting fees from HealtheTech, Johnson & Johnson,
Procter & Gamble, and Coca-Cola. Receives speakers fees
from Abbott Laboratories, Roche Laboratories, and Kraft
Foods. Receives research funding from M&M Mars. (N.
Engl. J. Med. 2003:348;2082-2090) Member of the expert
advisory board for the American Council for Fitness and
Nutrition. (http://www.acfn.org/about/advisory.html;
accessed 10/31/03)

Rena R. Wing, Ph.D., U. of Pittsburgh School of Medicine.
Consultant to and received research support from Lilly
Pharmaceuticals, is on Weight Watchers Advisory Board; has
received research support from Ross Laboratories and ILSI.
(Newark Star-Ledger, 2/17/97 notes Eli Lilly, WW)

Robert H. Eckel, M.D., Division of Endocrinology, Health
Sciences Center, University of Colorado. Research on the
"effect of medium chain triglycerides on glucose and lipid
metabolism in type II diabetes melitus" was supported by
Procter and Gamble. Research on "the effect of leptin on
postprandial lipid metabolism" was supported by Amgen.
(Undated resume on file at CSPI; accessed 6/18/02)

Uwe Christians, Department of Biopharmaceutical Sciences,
University of California, San Francisco. Research on
mitochondrial metabolism supported in part by Novartis Pharma
AG. (Br. J. Pharmacol. 2001;133:875-85)

William C. Heird, Ph.D., Baylor College of Medicine, Baylor,
TX. Research on fatty acid in breast milk partially funded by
Mead-Johnson Nutritional Group. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr.
2000;71(supp):292S-9S)

Stephen C. Woods, Ph.D., Department of Psychiatry, University
of Cincinnati College of Medicine. Received $1,000,000 in
2000-2001 and $1,037,500 in 2001-2002 from Procter & Gamble
for a study on obesity and energy homeostasis. (University of
Cincinnati, Office of Research, Active Grants and Contracts -
FY 2001, http://www.med.research.uc.edu/grants/granttemplates-
hell.cfm?department_id=186; accessed 6/24/02)

Holly R. Wyatt, M.D., Assistant Professor of Medicine,
University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, Denver.
Receives consulting fees from Ortho-McNeil, USANA, and
GlaxoSmithKline. Receives speaker fees from Roche
Laboratories, Abbott Laboratories, Slim-Fast, and
Ortho-McNeil.
(N. Engl. J. Med. 2003;348:2082-90)

********

Time to shut these crooks down.

TC

[Wolfbrothe]

tunderbar@hotmail.com (tcomeau) wrote in message
news:<b550f406.0411180721.5a3b3e28@posting.google.com>...
> National Weight Control Registry
>
> http://www.uchsc.edu/nutrition/Administration/admin.htm
>
> http://www.uchsc.edu/nutrition/WyattJortberg/nwcr.htm
>
> James O. Hill, PhD Rena Wing, PhD
>
> James O. Hill, Ph.D., Professor of Pediatrics and Director,
> Center for Human Nutrition at the University of Colorado
> Health Sciences Center, Denver, CO. Research support from
> Amgen, Hoffman-LaRoche, Procter & Gamble, and Knoll
> Pharmaceuticals; has received consultant fees from Knoll,
> Roche Laboratories, International Life Sciences Institute,
> and Procter & Gamble and is a consultant to the Duke Diet
> and Fitness Center. (Newark Star-Ledger, 2/17/97).
> President, North American Association for the Study of
> Obesity. (USA Today, 9/1/98) Lead author of a study on
> olestra supported by a grant from Procter & Gamble. (Am.
> J. Clin. Nutr. 1998;67:1178-85) Co-wrote (with Barbara
> Rolls) a 1998 report for ILSI on "Carbohydrates and
> Weight Management." Participated in a 3/25/99 panel
> assembled by the Sugar Association to inform New York
> magazine editors about obesity, calories, and activity.
> (Sugar Association's 1999 annual report,
> http://www.foodingredientsonline.com; accessed 03/30/99)
> Research on the effects of covert substitution of olestra
> for conventional fat on spontaneous food intake supported
> by Procter & Gamble. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 1998;67:1178-85)
> Research on the role of carbohydrates in weight
> management was supported by the Sugar Association.
> (Letter from Sugar Association to USDA; on file with
> CSPI; 4/16/99) Research on using Orlistat for weight
> maintenance funded by Hoffmann-La Roche. (Am. J.
> Clin. Nutr. 1999;69:1108-16) Member of the Foodfit.com
> advisory board.
> (http://www.foodfit.com/about/advisoryBoard.asp;
> accessed 11/11/00) Research on weight management
> supported in part by Abbott Laboratories. (J. Amer.
> Coll. Nutr. 2001;20:26-31) Member of the McDonald's
> Corporation Global Advisory Council on Healthy
> Lifestyles; formed to "help guide the company on
> activities that address the need for balanced, healthy
> lifestyles." (http://www.mcdonalds.com/corporate/pres-
> s/corporate/2003/05212003/; accessed 6/23/03) Receives
> consulting fees from HealtheTech, Johnson & Johnson,
> Procter & Gamble, and Coca-Cola. Receives speakers
> fees from Abbott Laboratories, Roche Laboratories, and
> Kraft Foods. Receives research funding from M&M Mars.
> (N. Engl. J. Med. 2003:348;2082-2090) Member of the
> expert advisory board for the American Council for
> Fitness and Nutrition.
> (http://www.acfn.org/about/advisory.html; accessed
> 10/31/03)
>
> Rena R. Wing, Ph.D., U. of Pittsburgh School of Medicine.
> Consultant to and received research support from Lilly
> Pharmaceuticals, is on Weight Watchers Advisory Board; has
> received research support from Ross Laboratories and ILSI.
> (Newark Star-Ledger, 2/17/97 notes Eli Lilly, WW)
>
> Robert H. Eckel, M.D., Division of Endocrinology, Health
> Sciences Center, University of Colorado. Research on the
> "effect of medium chain triglycerides on glucose and lipid
> metabolism in type II diabetes melitus" was supported by
> Procter and Gamble. Research on "the effect of leptin on
> postprandial lipid metabolism" was supported by Amgen.
> (Undated resume on file at CSPI; accessed 6/18/02)
>
> Uwe Christians, Department of Biopharmaceutical Sciences,
> University of California, San Francisco. Research on
> mitochondrial metabolism supported in part by Novartis
> Pharma AG. (Br. J. Pharmacol. 2001;133:875-85)
>
> William C. Heird, Ph.D., Baylor College of Medicine, Baylor,
> TX. Research on fatty acid in breast milk partially funded
> by Mead-Johnson Nutritional Group. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr.
> 2000;71(supp):292S-9S)
>
> Stephen C. Woods, Ph.D., Department of Psychiatry,
> University of Cincinnati College of Medicine. Received
> $1,000,000 in 2000-2001 and $1,037,500 in 2001-2002 from
> Procter & Gamble for a study on obesity and energy
> homeostasis. (University of Cincinnati, Office of Research,
> Active Grants and Contracts - FY 2001, http://www.med.resea-
> rch.uc.edu/grants/granttemplateshell.cfm?department_id=186;
> accessed 6/24/02)
>
> Holly R. Wyatt, M.D., Assistant Professor of Medicine,
> University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, Denver.
> Receives consulting fees from Ortho-McNeil, USANA, and
> GlaxoSmithKline. Receives speaker fees from Roche
> Laboratories, Abbott Laboratories, Slim-Fast, and
> Ortho-McNeil.
> (N. Engl. J. Med. 2003;348:2082-90)
>
> ********
>
> Time to shut these crooks down.
>
> TC

It truly is blatant immorality and criminality on a massive
scale. These people do not get CONTINUOUS funding and bribes
(yes bribes, that is what "consulting" and "speakers" fees
are) from such entities as P&G (the original US patent holders
of the hydrogenation process who introduced trans fat
shortenings to the US a century ago and continue to be a
leading producer of such toxic products) to tell the truth.
These people are criminals of the highest order. They know if
they continue to please the industry they will continue to
receive their blood money. No rational and intelligent person
would not see this for what it is.

[Dunne E .]

On 18 Nov 2004 07:21:59 -0800, tunderbar@hotmail.com
(tcomeau) posted:

>National Weight Control Registry
>
>http://www.uchsc.edu/nutrition/Administration/admin.htm
>
>http://www.uchsc.edu/nutrition/WyattJortberg/nwcr.htm
>
>James O. Hill, PhD Rena Wing, PhD
>
>James O. Hill, Ph.D., Professor of Pediatrics and Director,
>Center for Human Nutrition at the University of Colorado
>Health Sciences Center, Denver, CO. Research support from
>Amgen, Hoffman-LaRoche, Procter & Gamble, and Knoll
>Pharmaceuticals; has received consultant fees from Knoll,
>Roche Laboratories, International Life Sciences Institute,
>and Procter & Gamble and is a consultant to the Duke Diet and
>Fitness Center. (Newark Star-Ledger, 2/17/97). President,
>North American Association for the Study of Obesity. (USA
>Today, 9/1/98) Lead author of a study on olestra supported by
>a grant from Procter & Gamble. (Am.
>J. Clin. Nutr. 1998;67:1178-85) Co-wrote (with Barbara Rolls)
> a 1998 report for ILSI on "Carbohydrates and Weight
> Management." Participated in a 3/25/99 panel assembled by
> the Sugar Association to inform New York magazine editors
> about obesity, calories, and activity. (Sugar
> Association's 1999 annual report,
> http://www.foodingredientsonline.com; accessed 03/30/99)
> Research on the effects of covert substitution of olestra
> for conventional fat on spontaneous food intake supported
> by Procter & Gamble. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 1998;67:1178-85)
> Research on the role of carbohydrates in weight management
> was supported by the Sugar Association. (Letter from Sugar
> Association to USDA; on file with CSPI; 4/16/99) Research
> on using Orlistat for weight maintenance funded by
> Hoffmann-La Roche. (Am. J.
>Clin. Nutr. 1999;69:1108-16) Member of the Foodfit.com
> advisory board.
> (http://www.foodfit.com/about/advisoryBoard.asp;
> accessed 11/11/00) Research on weight management
> supported in part by Abbott Laboratories. (J. Amer.
> Coll. Nutr. 2001;20:26-31) Member of the McDonald's
> Corporation Global Advisory Council on Healthy
> Lifestyles; formed to "help guide the company on
> activities that address the need for balanced, healthy
> lifestyles." (http://www.mcdonalds.com/corporate/press-
> /corporate/2003/05212003/; accessed 6/23/03) Receives
> consulting fees from HealtheTech, Johnson & Johnson,
> Procter & Gamble, and Coca-Cola. Receives speakers fees
> from Abbott Laboratories, Roche Laboratories, and Kraft
> Foods. Receives research funding from M&M Mars. (N.
> Engl. J. Med. 2003:348;2082-2090) Member of the expert
> advisory board for the American Council for Fitness and
> Nutrition. (http://www.acfn.org/about/advisory.html;
> accessed 10/31/03)
>
>Rena R. Wing, Ph.D., U. of Pittsburgh School of Medicine.
>Consultant to and received research support from Lilly
>Pharmaceuticals, is on Weight Watchers Advisory Board; has
>received research support from Ross Laboratories and ILSI.
>(Newark Star-Ledger, 2/17/97 notes Eli Lilly, WW)
>
>Robert H. Eckel, M.D., Division of Endocrinology, Health
>Sciences Center, University of Colorado. Research on the
>"effect of medium chain triglycerides on glucose and lipid
>metabolism in type II diabetes melitus" was supported by
>Procter and Gamble. Research on "the effect of leptin on
>postprandial lipid metabolism" was supported by Amgen.
>(Undated resume on file at CSPI; accessed 6/18/02)
>
>Uwe Christians, Department of Biopharmaceutical Sciences,
>University of California, San Francisco. Research on
>mitochondrial metabolism supported in part by Novartis Pharma
>AG. (Br. J. Pharmacol. 2001;133:875-85)
>
>William C. Heird, Ph.D., Baylor College of Medicine, Baylor,
>TX. Research on fatty acid in breast milk partially funded by
>Mead-Johnson Nutritional Group. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr.
>2000;71(supp):292S-9S)
>
>Stephen C. Woods, Ph.D., Department of Psychiatry, University
>of Cincinnati College of Medicine. Received $1,000,000 in
>2000-2001 and $1,037,500 in 2001-2002 from Procter & Gamble
>for a study on obesity and energy homeostasis. (University of
>Cincinnati, Office of Research, Active Grants and Contracts -
>FY 2001, http://www.med.research.uc.edu/grants/granttemplate-
>shell.cfm?department_id=186; accessed 6/24/02)
>
>Holly R. Wyatt, M.D., Assistant Professor of Medicine,
>University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, Denver.
>Receives consulting fees from Ortho-McNeil, USANA, and
>GlaxoSmithKline. Receives speaker fees from Roche
>Laboratories, Abbott Laboratories, Slim-Fast, and
>Ortho-McNeil.
>(N. Engl. J. Med. 2003;348:2082-90)
>
>********
>
>Time to shut these crooks down.

Please post the fraud.

[Dunne E .]

On 18 Nov 2004 21:22:49 -0800, rangerhasten@yahoo.com
(Wolfbrother) posted:

>tunderbar@hotmail.com (tcomeau) wrote in message
>news:<b550f406.0411180721.5a3b3e28@posting.google.com>...
>> National Weight Control Registry
>>
>> http://www.uchsc.edu/nutrition/Administration/admin.htm
>>
>> http://www.uchsc.edu/nutrition/WyattJortberg/nwcr.htm
>>
>> James O. Hill, PhD Rena Wing, PhD
>>
>> James O. Hill, Ph.D., Professor of Pediatrics and Director,
>> Center for Human Nutrition at the University of Colorado
>> Health Sciences Center, Denver, CO. Research support from
>> Amgen, Hoffman-LaRoche, Procter & Gamble, and Knoll
>> Pharmaceuticals; has received consultant fees from Knoll,
>> Roche Laboratories, International Life Sciences Institute,
>> and Procter & Gamble and is a consultant to the Duke Diet
>> and Fitness Center. (Newark Star-Ledger, 2/17/97).
>> President, North American Association for the Study of
>> Obesity. (USA Today, 9/1/98) Lead author of a study on
>> olestra supported by a grant from Procter & Gamble. (Am.
>> J. Clin. Nutr. 1998;67:1178-85) Co-wrote (with Barbara
>> Rolls) a 1998 report for ILSI on "Carbohydrates and
>> Weight Management." Participated in a 3/25/99 panel
>> assembled by the Sugar Association to inform New York
>> magazine editors about obesity, calories, and activity.
>> (Sugar Association's 1999 annual report,
>> http://www.foodingredientsonline.com; accessed 03/30/99)
>> Research on the effects of covert substitution of
>> olestra for conventional fat on spontaneous food intake
>> supported by Procter & Gamble. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr.
>> 1998;67:1178-85) Research on the role of carbohydrates
>> in weight management was supported by the Sugar
>> Association. (Letter from Sugar Association to USDA; on
>> file with CSPI; 4/16/99) Research on using Orlistat for
>> weight maintenance funded by Hoffmann-La Roche. (Am. J.
>> Clin. Nutr. 1999;69:1108-16) Member of the Foodfit.com
>> advisory board.
>> (http://www.foodfit.com/about/advisoryBoard.asp;
>> accessed 11/11/00) Research on weight management
>> supported in part by Abbott Laboratories. (J. Amer.
>> Coll. Nutr. 2001;20:26-31) Member of the McDonald's
>> Corporation Global Advisory Council on Healthy
>> Lifestyles; formed to "help guide the company on
>> activities that address the need for balanced,
>> healthy lifestyles." (http://www.mcdonalds.com/corpo-
>> rate/press/corporate/2003/05212003/; accessed
>> 6/23/03) Receives consulting fees from HealtheTech,
>> Johnson & Johnson, Procter & Gamble, and Coca-Cola.
>> Receives speakers fees from Abbott Laboratories,
>> Roche Laboratories, and Kraft Foods. Receives
>> research funding from M&M Mars. (N. Engl. J. Med.
>> 2003:348;2082-2090) Member of the expert advisory
>> board for the American Council for Fitness and
>> Nutrition. (http://www.acfn.org/about/advisory.html;
>> accessed 10/31/03)
>>
>> Rena R. Wing, Ph.D., U. of Pittsburgh School of Medicine.
>> Consultant to and received research support from Lilly
>> Pharmaceuticals, is on Weight Watchers Advisory Board; has
>> received research support from Ross Laboratories and ILSI.
>> (Newark Star-Ledger, 2/17/97 notes Eli Lilly, WW)
>>
>> Robert H. Eckel, M.D., Division of Endocrinology, Health
>> Sciences Center, University of Colorado. Research on the
>> "effect of medium chain triglycerides on glucose and lipid
>> metabolism in type II diabetes melitus" was supported by
>> Procter and Gamble. Research on "the effect of leptin on
>> postprandial lipid metabolism" was supported by Amgen.
>> (Undated resume on file at CSPI; accessed 6/18/02)
>>
>> Uwe Christians, Department of Biopharmaceutical Sciences,
>> University of California, San Francisco. Research on
>> mitochondrial metabolism supported in part by Novartis
>> Pharma AG. (Br. J. Pharmacol. 2001;133:875-85)
>>
>> William C. Heird, Ph.D., Baylor College of Medicine,
>> Baylor, TX. Research on fatty acid in breast milk partially
>> funded by Mead-Johnson Nutritional Group. (Am. J. Clin.
>> Nutr. 2000;71(supp):292S-9S)
>>
>> Stephen C. Woods, Ph.D., Department of Psychiatry,
>> University of Cincinnati College of Medicine. Received
>> $1,000,000 in 2000-2001 and $1,037,500 in 2001-2002 from
>> Procter & Gamble for a study on obesity and energy
>> homeostasis. (University of Cincinnati, Office of Research,
>> Active Grants and Contracts - FY 2001, http://www.med.rese-
>> arch.uc.edu/grants/granttemplateshell.cfm?department_id=18-
>> 6; accessed 6/24/02)
>>
>> Holly R. Wyatt, M.D., Assistant Professor of Medicine,
>> University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, Denver.
>> Receives consulting fees from Ortho-McNeil, USANA, and
>> GlaxoSmithKline. Receives speaker fees from Roche
>> Laboratories, Abbott Laboratories, Slim-Fast, and
>> Ortho-McNeil.
>> (N. Engl. J. Med. 2003;348:2082-90)
>>
>> ********
>>
>> Time to shut these crooks down.
>>
>> TC
>
>It truly is blatant immorality and criminality on a massive
>scale. These people do not get CONTINUOUS funding and bribes
>(yes bribes, that is what "consulting" and "speakers" fees
>are) from such entities as P&G (the original US patent
>holders of the hydrogenation process who introduced trans fat
>shortenings to the US a century ago and continue to be a
>leading producer of such toxic products) to tell the truth.
>These people are criminals of the highest order. They know if
>they continue to please the industry they will continue to
>receive their blood money. No rational and intelligent person
>would not see this for what it is.

Can you point out your implied fraud?

[Wolfbrothe]

Dunne E. Dawe <never@never.again> wrote in message
> >
> >It truly is blatant immorality and criminality on a massive
> >scale. These people do not get CONTINUOUS funding and
> >bribes (yes bribes, that is what "consulting" and
> >"speakers" fees are) from such entities as P&G (the
> >original US patent holders of the hydrogenation process who
> >introduced trans fat shortenings to the US a century ago
> >and continue to be a leading producer of such toxic
> >products) to tell the truth. These people are criminals of
> >the highest order. They know if they continue to please the
> >industry they will continue to receive their blood money.
> >No rational and intelligent person would not see this for
> >what it is.
>
> Can you point out your implied fraud?

Can you point at the sky? You are such a moron.

[Dunne E .]

On 24 Nov 2004 11:30:36 -0800, rangerhasten@yahoo.com
(Wolfbrother) posted:

>Dunne E. Dawe <never@never.again> wrote in message
>> >
>> >It truly is blatant immorality and criminality on a
>> >massive scale. These people do not get CONTINUOUS funding
>> >and bribes (yes bribes, that is what "consulting" and
>> >"speakers" fees are) from such entities as P&G (the
>> >original US patent holders of the hydrogenation process
>> >who introduced trans fat shortenings to the US a century
>> >ago and continue to be a leading producer of such toxic
>> >products) to tell the truth. These people are criminals of
>> >the highest order. They know if they continue to please
>> >the industry they will continue to receive their blood
>> >money. No rational and intelligent person would not see
>> >this for what it is.
>>
>> Can you point out your implied fraud?
>
>Can you point at the sky? You are such a moron.

So you can't? Thought so. Silly childish insults do not
further your argument, I'm afraid.

[N-H-P]

rangerhasten@yahoo.com (Wolfbrother) wrote in message
news:<6eb8f6eb.0411241130.44e56362@posting.google.com>...
> Dunne E. Dawe <never@never.again> wrote in message
> > >
> > >It truly is blatant immorality and criminality on a
> > >massive scale. These people do not get CONTINUOUS funding
> > >and bribes (yes bribes, that is what "consulting" and
> > >"speakers" fees are) from such entities as P&G (the
> > >original US patent holders of the hydrogenation process
> > >who introduced trans fat shortenings to the US a century
> > >ago and continue to be a leading producer of such toxic
> > >products) to tell the truth. These people are criminals
> > >of the highest order. They know if they continue to
> > >please the industry they will continue to receive their
> > >blood money. No rational and intelligent person would not
> > >see this for what it is.
> >
> > Can you point out your implied fraud?
>
> Can you point at the sky? You are such a moron.

Nothing substantive comes to your mind?

Why do you bombard this newsgroup with empty nonsense?

Please, ...please, ... please grace us with more of your empty
nonsense, :(
--
john gohde

[Wolfbrothe]

Dunne E. Dawe <never@never.again> wrote in message
news:<t0eaq09khqsv4h1qggkt11qmn4292encj5@4ax.com>...
> On 24 Nov 2004 11:30:36 -0800, rangerhasten@yahoo.com
> (Wolfbrother) posted:
>
> >Dunne E. Dawe <never@never.again> wrote in message
> >> >
> >> >It truly is blatant immorality and criminality on a
> >> >massive scale. These people do not get CONTINUOUS
> >> >funding and bribes (yes bribes, that is what
> >> >"consulting" and "speakers" fees are) from such
> >> >entities as P&G (the original US patent holders of the
> >> >hydrogenation process who introduced trans fat
> >> >shortenings to the US a century ago and continue to be
> >> >a leading producer of such toxic products) to tell the
> >> >truth. These people are criminals of the highest
> >> >order. They know if they continue to please the
> >> >industry they will continue to receive their blood
> >> >money. No rational and intelligent person would not
> >> >see this for what it is.
> >>
> >> Can you point out your implied fraud?
> >
> >Can you point at the sky? You are such a moron.
>
> So you can't? Thought so. Silly childish insults do not
> further your argument, I'm afraid.

I am sorry if you do not understand that pointless comments
like yours do not deserve anything but mockery. If you made
intelligent comments or questions I would respond differently.
The "fraud" is right in your face. It is the fact we have had
things like trans fat in the diet for 100 years in the first
place when there has been ample evidence for decades that such
things kill and yet they where and are promoted as healthy.
"Corn oil and margarine for your hearts sake". Soy is another
example and will turn out to be the next trans fat. This comes
from the decades of lies and corruption by government health
institutions who are controlled by the industries who will be
affected by their recommendations. It comes from the legalized
bribery so prevalent and institutionalized in government and
its agencies in the form of consulting/speaking fees, stock
options, campaign funds etc. Do not blame me because you are
too blind to come to these conclusions on your own. Nothing I
can say will open your eyes so when you make ridiculous
comments or questions I will respond appropriately.

[Wolfbrothe]

johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com (N-H-P) wrote in
message
news:<16a9b594.0411250504.44b541c5@posting.google.com>...
> rangerhasten@yahoo.com (Wolfbrother) wrote in message
> news:<6eb8f6eb.0411241130.44e56362@posting.google.com>...
> > Dunne E. Dawe <never@never.again> wrote in message
> > > >
> > > >It truly is blatant immorality and criminality on a
> > > >massive scale. These people do not get CONTINUOUS
> > > >funding and bribes (yes bribes, that is what
> > > >"consulting" and "speakers" fees are) from such
> > > >entities as P&G (the original US patent holders of the
> > > >hydrogenation process who introduced trans fat
> > > >shortenings to the US a century ago and continue to be
> > > >a leading producer of such toxic products) to tell the
> > > >truth. These people are criminals of the highest order.
> > > >They know if they continue to please the industry they
> > > >will continue to receive their blood money. No rational
> > > >and intelligent person would not see this for what it
> > > >is.
> > >
> > > Can you point out your implied fraud?
> >
> > Can you point at the sky? You are such a moron.
>
> Nothing substantive comes to your mind?
>
> Why do you bombard this newsgroup with empty nonsense?
>
> Please, ...please, ... please grace us with more of your
> empty nonsense, :(

Look when Dunne continues to insist on responding to my posts
with his "empty nonsense" I will respond appropriately. To
those who have rational comments or arguments or present
interesting or informative points or information I will
address in a different manner.

[Piezo Guru]

ditto brother.

"Wolfbrother" <rangerhasten@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6eb8f6eb.0411251346.5e93367@posting.google.com...
> Look when Dunne continues to insist on responding to my
> posts with his "empty nonsense" I will respond
> appropriately. To those who have rational comments or
> arguments or present interesting or informative points or
> information I will address in a different manner.