A Calorie is a Calorie is a Calorie? - maybe not...

[Tcomeau]

http://www.redflagsweekly.com/conferences/Atkins_diet/2004_-
feb23.html

Interesting article.

TC

[Matti Nark]

27 Sep 2004 12:01:46 -0700 in article
<b550f406.0409271101.284a48bd@posting.google.com>
tunderbar@hotmail.com (tcomeau) wrote:

>http://www.redflagsweekly.com/conferences/Atkins_diet/2004_f-
>eb23.html
>
>Interesting article.
>
Additional reading:

Feinman RD, Fine EJ. Thermodynamics and Metabolic Advantage of
Weight Loss Diets. Metabolic Syndrome and Related Disorders
2003, 1:209-219. <URL:http://miranda.ingentaselect.com/vl=362-
0192/cl=204/nw=1/rpsv/cw/mal/15404196/v1n3/s7/p209> (abstract)
<URL:http://taddeo.ingentaselect.com/vl=5598164/cl=39/nw=1/fm-
=docpdf/rpsv/cw/mal/15404196/v1n3/s7/p209> (full text, PDF)

Feinman RD, Fine EJ. "A calorie is a calorie" violates the
second law of thermodynamics. Nutr J. 2004 Jul 28;3(1):9.
PMID: 15282028 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]
<URL:http://www.nutritionj.com/content/3/1/9>

Buchholz AC, Schoeller DA. Is a calorie a calorie? Am J Clin
Nutr. 2004 May;79(5):899S-906S. Review. PMID: 15113737 [PubMed
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<URL:http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/79/5/899S>

Willett WC, Skerrett PJ. Going beyond Atkins. Newsweek. 2004
Jan 19;143(3):44-8.
<URL:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3927814/site/newsweek/>

Willett WC, Leibel RL. Dietary fat is not a major determinant
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ubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12566139>

Willett WC, Stampfer MJ. Rebuilding the food pyramid. Sci Am.
2003 Jan;288(1):64-71. http://tinyurl.com/55yna
http://tinyurl.com/5n9gn

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Pawlak DB, Ebbeling CB, Ludwig DS Should obese patients be
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van Dam RM, Willett WC, Rimm EB, Stampfer MJ, Hu FB. Dietary
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<URL:http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/71/6/1455>

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<URL:http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/70/2/304> (Erratum)

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Matti Narkia

[Philippic]

Interesting stuff, Matti!

But look at this bit: (from<URL:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3-
927814/site/newsweek/>)
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"Robert Atkins deserves credit for publicizing the perils of
refined carbohydrates, but the centerpiece of the original
Atkins diet-eating unlimited amounts of beef, sausage, butter
and cheese-is a bad idea. Although such a diet may be good for
short-term weight loss, it's not a prescription for optimal
health. A diet that includes fish, poultry, beans, nuts,
fruits and vegetables, whole grains and vegetable oils can
work for weight control even as it reduces the risks of heart
disease, diabetes and several cancers."
-------

The above is *really unfair* on Atkins: the book I have *has
no such 'centerpiece'*; it gives no permission *whatsoever*
for eating 'sausage' *at all* (no doubt on account of all the
carbohydrate-containing crap that is added to the meat from
which sausages are ostensibly made...); it points out that
'cheese' always has some carbohydrate content, and that the
amounts to be eaten are *limited by that*; and rather than
saying any such nitwit thing about 'unlimited butter'
(whatever that would be!), it simply says that 'butter is
allowed, margarine is not'! On top of that, for chrissakes,
the Atkins diet *is* a diet that 'includes fish, poultry,
beans, nuts, fruits and vegetables, whole grains and vegetable
oils'... -- indeed, it actually, genuinely, *specifically*
includes *unlimited* amounts of fish, and *unlimited* amounts
of poultry!!!!

Jeeezes!! What the hell is it that makes people incapable of
dealing fairly and accurately with Atkins...?

Philippic

[Matti Nark]

Mon, 27 Sep 2004 23:56:33 +0300 in article
<7osgl0t889n9cuscdfgm9hn3dkjrrrmjll@4ax.com> Matti Narkia
<mnng1_REMOVE_THIS@despammed.com> wrote:

>27 Sep 2004 12:01:46 -0700 in article
><b550f406.0409271101.284a48bd@posting.google.com>
> tunderbar@hotmail.com (tcomeau) wrote:
>
>>http://www.redflagsweekly.com/conferences/Atkins_diet/2004_-
>>feb23.html
>>
>>Interesting article.
>>
>Additional reading:
>
[snip]
>
>Willett WC, Stampfer MJ. Rebuilding the food pyramid. Sci Am.
>2003 Jan;288(1):64-71. http://tinyurl.com/55yna
>http://tinyurl.com/5n9gn
>
See also

Food Pyramids Nutrition Source, Harvard School of Public
Health <URL:http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/pyra-
mids.html>

and

The Mediterranean Diet Pyramid
<URL:http://www.oldwayspt.org/pyramids/med/p_med.html> <URL:h-
ttp://www.e-guana.net/organizations.php3?orgid=61&typeID=193&-
action=printContentItem&itemID=1529>
<URL:http://www.diet-i.com/mediterranean-diet-pyramid.htm>

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Matti Narkia

[Matti Nark]

Mon, 27 Sep 2004 23:56:33 +0300 in article
<7osgl0t889n9cuscdfgm9hn3dkjrrrmjll@4ax.com> Matti Narkia
<mnng1_REMOVE_THIS@despammed.com> wrote:

>27 Sep 2004 12:01:46 -0700 in article
><b550f406.0409271101.284a48bd@posting.google.com>
> tunderbar@hotmail.com (tcomeau) wrote:
>
>>http://www.redflagsweekly.com/conferences/Atkins_diet/2004_-
>>feb23.html
>>
>>Interesting article.
>>
>Additional reading:
>
>Feinman RD, Fine EJ. Thermodynamics and Metabolic Advantage
>of Weight Loss Diets. Metabolic Syndrome and Related
>Disorders 2003, 1:209-219. <URL:http://miranda.ingentaselect-
>.com/vl=3620192/cl=204/nw=1/rpsv/cw/mal/15404196/v1n3/s7/p20-
>9> (abstract) <URL:http://taddeo.ingentaselect.com/vl=559816-
>4/cl=39/nw=1/fm=docpdf/rpsv/cw/mal/15404196/v1n3/s7/p209>
>(full text, PDF)
>
>Feinman RD, Fine EJ. "A calorie is a calorie" violates the
>second law of thermodynamics. Nutr J. 2004 Jul 28;3(1):9.
>PMID: 15282028 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]
><URL:http://www.nutritionj.com/content/3/1/9>
>
More reading

Walter C Willett, MD, DrPH Concepts and Controversies on Diet:
Stop Recommending Low-Fat Diets! <URL:http://xnet.kp.org/perm-
anentejournal/sum03/concepts.html>:

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Matti Narkia