Rotator cuff tendonitis.

[Roamer7]

My doc says this is likely the problem with my shoulder. He's
given me a scrip for anti-inflamitories (I've been using
ibuprofen anyhow) and suggested icing (which I've been doing
as well) and referred me to physio. Anyone else here have this
trouble? What did you do about it and did it work? Thanks in
advance for any input...

Randy.

[Crispy Fis]

Roamer7 wrote:
> My doc says this is likely the problem with my shoulder.
> He's given me a scrip for anti-inflamitories (I've been
> using ibuprofen anyhow) and suggested icing (which I've been
> doing as well) and referred me to physio. Anyone else here
> have this trouble? What did you do about it and did it work?
> Thanks in advance for any input...
>
> Randy.
>
>

That seems to be the standard prescription. I didn't get the
greatest results from it, but then again my PT didn't seem
tremendously competent, so YMMV.

Haven't yet found anything that works 100%. The pain in my
shoulder comes and goes still.

Good luck with yours.

-CF

[Wayne S. H]

Roamer7 wrote:

> My doc says this is likely the problem with my shoulder.
> He's given me a scrip for anti-inflamitories (I've been
> using ibuprofen anyhow) and suggested icing (which I've been
> doing as well) and referred me to physio. Anyone else here
> have this trouble? What did you do about it and did it work?
> Thanks in advance for any input...

A lot of people recommend using specific rotator cuff
exercises, but these never worked for me. I just got very
strong rotators. What worked for me was stretching my delts:

http://www.trygve.com/mfwastretchingwayne.html

There's so much variability among individuals that your
mileage most certainly may vary.

--
-Wayne

[Jim Ranier]

"Roamer7" <roamer7@*nospam*mts.net> wrote in message
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> My doc says this is likely the problem with my shoulder.
> He's given me a scrip for anti-inflamitories (I've been
> using ibuprofen anyhow) and suggested icing (which I've been
> doing as well) and referred me to physio. Anyone else here
> have this trouble? What did you do about it and did it work?
> Thanks in advance for any input...
>

Ugh. It's a complex issue. Rotator weakness can allow your
glenohumeral joint to move out of the optimal position and
cause inflammation if tendons become impinged. Sometimes the
impingement can occur anyway, depending upon how your shoulder
joint is constructed. If you feel like it, google "rotator
cuff:" impingement, inflammation and "swimmer's shoulder" and
set aside the rest of the evening to get really depressed.

[John M . W]

"Roamer7" <roamer7@*nospam*mts.net> wrote:

>My doc says this is likely the problem with my shoulder. He's
>given me a scrip for anti-inflamitories (I've been using
>ibuprofen anyhow) and suggested icing (which I've been doing
>as well) and referred me to physio. Anyone else here have
>this trouble? What did you do about it and did it work?
>Thanks in advance for any input...

I recommend time to heal, alternating heat and ice, and a good
blend of glucosamine/chondroitin. My shoulder improved a lot
without the need for surgery.

[Spodosauru]

Roamer7 wrote:
> My doc says this is likely the problem with my shoulder.
> He's given me a scrip for anti-inflamitories (I've been
> using ibuprofen anyhow) and suggested icing (which I've been
> doing as well) and referred me to physio. Anyone else here
> have this trouble? What did you do about it and did it work?
> Thanks in advance for any input...
>
> Randy.
>
>

Rest, ROM exercises, external rotation, and removing upright
rows from my routine.

--
spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

[Ff123]

On 13 Aug 2004 23:25:24 GMT, "Wayne S. Hill"
<hillw4@asme.org> wrote:

>Roamer7 wrote:
>
>> My doc says this is likely the problem with my shoulder.
>> He's given me a scrip for anti-inflamitories (I've been
>> using ibuprofen anyhow) and suggested icing (which I've
>> been doing as well) and referred me to physio. Anyone else
>> here have this trouble? What did you do about it and did it
>> work? Thanks in advance for any input...
>
>A lot of people recommend using specific rotator cuff
>exercises, but these never worked for me. I just got very
>strong rotators. What worked for me was stretching my delts:
>
>http://www.trygve.com/mfwastretchingwayne.html
>
>There's so much variability among individuals that your
>mileage most certainly may vary.

Specific rotator cuff exercise didn't quite work for me as
well (lying l-flys, etc. as recommended by "The 7-minute
Rotator Cuff Solution" and the many copycats it spawned).

I'm giving reverse-cable crossovers a try. This is an exercise
which uses the low position of the hi-low cable machine, where
you start in a crouched position with the arms crossed over
your knees. The arm to be worked out would be towards the
pulley. Then you simultaneously stand and extend the arms to
an uncrossed, overhead position, keeping the arms fairly
straight while doing this. This is the external rotation
version, which I imagine would be the one you'd want to use.
The advantage of this over the l-fly is that the motion is
full-range. Mel Siff wrote about this a couple of times on the
Supertraining list.

The other exercise I'm trying which is supposed to work the
external rotators is the overhead squat. I tried it with just
the bar on my last workout, and balancing is pretty tricky.

The specific position which hurts my left shoulder is when I
place my hand behind my back and bend my elbow (as if I were
going to do a dip, except that the arm is farther back than it
would be for an actual
dip).

[Bob Fusill]

Try the exercises, but don't let it go too long if there is
not definite improvement. If it is a tear, even a partial one,
the irritation can build spurs. They just get bigger and
bigger unles cut. If thee is an opration needed, the
difference can be between a kewyhole insertion, and a full
cut. This is someone who has had three tears and two
operations. And I seem to have another, dammit. I pushed too
soon, in preparation for a competition. ( and "too soon" is
over a year!) rjf

"Roamer7" <roamer7@*nospam*mts.net> wrote in message
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> My doc says this is likely the problem with my shoulder.
> He's given me a scrip for anti-inflamitories (I've been
> using ibuprofen anyhow) and suggested icing (which I've been
> doing as well) and referred me to physio. Anyone else here
> have this trouble? What did you do about it and did it work?
> Thanks in advance for any input...
>
> Randy.

[Eagle]

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:43:16 +0000, Roamer7 wrote:

> My doc says this is likely the problem with my shoulder.
> He's given me a scrip for anti-inflamitories (I've been
> using ibuprofen anyhow) and suggested icing (which I've been
> doing as well) and referred me to physio. Anyone else here
> have this trouble? What did you do about it and did it work?
> Thanks in advance for any input...
>
> Randy.

I got shoulder problems from bench or possibly military press
9 months ago. My doctor didn't know shit and naprapate #1
thought it was the pec. Massage didn't help. Naprapate #2 is
sure it is supraspinatus tendonitis and I trust him. I have
combined anti- inflammatories and ultrasound for two weeks now
but see no definite improvement.

As I understand it, this is called "conservative" therapy. Can
anyone give advice on how long I should try this, I mean 9
months, what are the chances it will just suddenly heal? I
will continue for a while though.

Looking around on the web has made me rather depressed. The
next steps seem to be steroid (corticosteroid/cortison?)
injections and then surgery.

I have seriously considered taking nandrolone only for this:

http://www.datatrace.com/medical/jsoa/JSOA_piedmont-12.htm
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=9898

but noone would have to tell me that would be a long shot
since the above links are at best circumstantial
evidence. Or...?

eagle

[G]

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 16:20:22 -0700, Crispy Fish
<nospam@differentbeats.com> wrote:

>Roamer7 wrote:
>> My doc says this is likely the problem with my shoulder.
>> He's given me a scrip for anti-inflamitories (I've been
>> using ibuprofen anyhow) and suggested icing (which I've
>> been doing as well) and referred me to physio. Anyone else
>> here have this trouble? What did you do about it and did it
>> work? Thanks in advance for any input...
>Haven't yet found anything that works 100%. The pain in my
>shoulder comes and goes still.

Ditto here. Any handy tips?

[Dospotsko]

>Roamer7"

>(I've been using ibuprofen anyhow)

When? It is possible that your ibuprofen use is part of your
shoulder problem.

[Crispy Fis]

Dospotsko wrote:
>>Roamer7"
>
>
>>(I've been using ibuprofen anyhow)
>
>
> When? It is possible that your ibuprofen use is part of your
> shoulder problem.
>
>

How so? Can you explain how this would happen?

-CF

[Drsardonic]

I'm on my third go round with this in about 5 years.

the first couple of times it healed with rest, ice, NSAIDs,
and rotator cuff specific exercises. I set it off the second
time with upright rows. I would stay away from this or similar
exercises.

This third time I messed around on my own for about 4 months
with the RICE regimen but it kept getting worse. I hurt so
bad I couldn't pull off a T-shirt, it woke me up if I laid on
that side at night, etc. I couldn't do any weight on the
upper body.

I finally went to the MD and got Bextra (a cox 2
antinflamitory similar to viaox and celebrex). After about 3
weeks I was ready to quit taking it because it didn't seem to
be doing anything when I realized it was a lot better. It was
just so gradual that you don't notice. Its not a pain
killer...at least not at first. About the same time, I started
taking Glucosamine\Chondroitin...that takes about a month to
work too. Couple more months and it should be gone! Works out
to nearly a year with a shoulder ache...ugh.

Chances are it will get better. Also chances are it will
come back.

[Crispy Fis]

Dospotsko wrote:
>>Crispy Fish nospam@differentbeats.com
>
>
>>How so? Can you explain how this would happen?
>>
>
>
> Here is my story. I returned to gymnastics three times per
> week. After the first day, my shoulder hurt real bad, so I
> took Advil four hours before my next session. The box
> mentions four hours. My shoulder feels great. The next day
> it is worse than before. I repeat take more advil. Two pills
> four hours prior to a workout. This assumed that it was out
> of my system by the workout. Again my shoulder feels great,
> and I do more stuff including giants and inbar work on the
> high bar, all tough on the shoulders. This process is
> repeated for the month. By the end of the month I was on the
> way to shoulder surgery. My mistake? I did not know about
> half lifes. Advil basically loses half its power every two
> hours. Thus, the advil was masking my pain during training.
> I did have shoulder surgery, and it fixed my shoulder.
>
>
>
>

The OP said he was referred to a PT. Hopefully the PT will be
able to identify the activities that are contributing to the
shoulder pain, so that the OP can cease those activities until
the issue is resolved.

-CF

[Roamer7]

"Dospotsko" <dospotsko@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >Roamer7"
>
>>(I've been using ibuprofen anyhow)
>
> When? It is possible that your ibuprofen use is part of your
> shoulder problem.
>
>
I usually work out right after breakfast. I ice my shoulder,
then workout, then ice again and take 1 400mg ibuprofen
tablet. I then take a tab every 3-4 hours for the rest of the
day. I also ice after I get home from work, and before bed.
This seems to be working pretty well as long as I'm dilligent
with it. If I start getting slack with either the ibuprofen or
the icing the soreness returns with a vengence :-( .

[Ff123]

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:03:06 -0500, "Roamer7"
<roamer7@*nospam*mts.net> wrote:

>
>"Dospotsko" <dospotsko@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20040814231218.04020.00001337@mb-m17.aol.com...
>> >Roamer7"
>>
>>>(I've been using ibuprofen anyhow)
>>
>> When? It is possible that your ibuprofen use is part of
>> your shoulder problem.
>>
>>
>I usually work out right after breakfast. I ice my shoulder,
>then workout, then ice again and take 1 400mg ibuprofen
>tablet. I then take a tab every 3-4 hours for the rest of the
>day. I also ice after I get home from work, and before bed.
>This seems to be working pretty well as long as I'm dilligent
>with it. If I start getting slack with either the ibuprofen
>or the icing the soreness returns with a vengence :-( .

Are you still including the exercises which irritate the
shoulder problem in your workout? One way to find out is to
take a complete break from your workouts for a while (say
several weeks), allowing your shoulder to heal enough that you
don't need ibuprofen or ice. Then add particular exercises in
one at a time, to see which ones hurt your shoulders; make
sure to wait several days after the actual exercise for
delayed effects. I would indefinitely drop the exercises that
hurt your shoulder (it could mean dropping beloved exercises
like bench press or shoulder press or dips, etc.). And then
work rehabilitation until you are able to work your exercises
back in (it might take a very long time).

But in any case, I would think your first rehabilitation goal
would be to get rid of the dependence on ibuprofen and ice.

ff123

[Roamer7]

"ff123" <ff123@noneya.org> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:03:06 -0500, "Roamer7"
> <roamer7@*nospam*mts.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Dospotsko" <dospotsko@aol.com> wrote in message
>>news:20040814231218.04020.00001337@mb-m17.aol.com...
>>> >Roamer7"
>>>
>>>>(I've been using ibuprofen anyhow)
>>>
>>> When? It is possible that your ibuprofen use is part of
>>> your shoulder problem.
>>>
>>>
>>I usually work out right after breakfast. I ice my
>>shoulder, then workout, then ice again and take 1 400mg
>>ibuprofen tablet. I then take a tab every 3-4 hours for the
>>rest of the day. I also ice after I get home from work, and
>>before bed. This seems to be working pretty well as long as
>>I'm dilligent with it. If I start getting slack with either
>>the ibuprofen or the icing the soreness returns with a
>>vengence :-( .
>
> Are you still including the exercises which irritate the
> shoulder problem in your workout?

Actually my job seems to be more the culprit that my workouts.
I do alot of relatively heavy repetitive motion with my
outstretched right arm at work. This (I think) overworks my
rotator cuff. Laying off rotator cuff exercises have helped
somewhat (I was trying them as a possible solution but they
were just exascerbating the problem). We'll see what they have
to say at physio...??