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Wolfbrothe
Tue, Jun-01-04, 05:17
By Weston A. Price, DDS, MS, FACD.

This important article by Dr. Weston Price includes 16 graphs,
posted at the end of this article, showing heart disease
mortality compared to vitamin content in local butter samples.
Working with poor photocopies, and lacking Price's raw data,
we have been able to reproduce only rough copies of these
fascinating graphs. Nevertheless, the reader will appreciated
how precious is this research by Dr. Weston Price. His studies
could not be reproduced today, partly because we no longer
consume local foods and partly because most people no longer
consume butter, but it indicates a fruitful avenue of
research; namely, that levels of fat soluble vitamins in the
diet correlate with rates of heart disease. We hope that the
reprinting of this article will spur further research.

http://www.westonaprice.org/archive/archive_weston.html

Just one example of how Weston Price was able to think
outside the box and do such unique and significant
studies that other people would never even consider.
Facts like these make people who demonize butter and
other dairy products or claim that they are "deficient"
in some way seem absolutely foolish. This study is just
one example of how high quality raw butter from grass
fed cows with high levels of X factor and vitamins is
an incredible source of nutrients and essential to
human health.

markd
Tue, Jun-01-04, 18:20
If I needed a dentist I would go to him. If I needed
nutritional and risk analysis I would, and do, ignore him on
this specific question. He graphed the seasonal levelof
vitamins, sunshine, and heart disease mortality. Vitamin
content of milk is only indrectly related to amount of
sunshine, it is directly related to thekind and amount of
plants the cow eats and this varies by season. Even assuming
the obviious variation in vit levels, making a correlation
to death rates is silly. Heart disease is a long term
disorder which takes time to develope, it does not happen
with regard to sub yearly conditions of what's in milk.
Seasonal death rates are more likely related to overal
stress upon the body from various causes,ie. cold stress for
example, then it is because milk has a somewhat lower vit a
content during cold seasons.

The question could be addressed today, such info about the
content of milk is ho hum standard stuff of which any school
of ag will provide upon request, along with the research
showing what in the cow's diet is related to the milk content.
Death rates by disease are available in many places, one could
even do a location by location corellation in the places where
content of milk and the cow's diet vary with climate at a
level much more detailed and specific then what info the good
doc price had available to him.

>By Weston A. Price, DDS, MS, FACD.
> >This important article by Dr. Weston Price includes 16
> >graphs, posted
>at the end of this article, showing heart disease mortality
>compared to vitamin content in local butter samples. Working
>with poor photocopies, and lacking Price's raw data, we have
>been able to reproduce only rough copies of these
>fascinating graphs. Nevertheless, the reader will
>appreciated how precious is this research by Dr. Weston
>Price. His studies could not be reproduced today, partly
>because we no longer consume local foods and partly because
>most people no longer consume butter, but it indicates a
>fruitful avenue of research; namely, that levels of fat
>soluble vitamins in the diet correlate with rates of heart
>disease. We hope that the reprinting of this article will
>spur further research.
>
>
>http://www.westonaprice.org/archive/archive_weston.html
>
>
> Just one example of how Weston Price was able to think
> outside the box and do such unique and significant
> studies that other people would never even consider.
> Facts like these make people who demonize butter and
> other dairy products or claim that they are "deficient"
> in some way seem absolutely foolish. This study is just
> one example of how high quality raw butter from grass
> fed cows with high levels of X factor and vitamins is
> an incredible source of nutrients and essential to
> human health.

Tcomeau
Wed, Jun-02-04, 18:21
rangerhasten@yahoo.com (Wolfbrother) wrote in message
news:<6eb8f6eb.0406010037.7197b372@posting.google.com>...
> By Weston A. Price, DDS, MS, FACD.
>
> This important article by Dr. Weston Price includes 16
> graphs, posted at the end of this article, showing heart
> disease mortality compared to vitamin content in local
> butter samples. Working with poor photocopies, and lacking
> Price's raw data, we have been able to reproduce only rough
> copies of these fascinating graphs. Nevertheless, the reader
> will appreciated how precious is this research by Dr. Weston
> Price. His studies could not be reproduced today, partly
> because we no longer consume local foods and partly because
> most people no longer consume butter, but it indicates a
> fruitful avenue of research; namely, that levels of fat
> soluble vitamins in the diet correlate with rates of heart
> disease. We hope that the reprinting of this article will
> spur further research.
>
>
> http://www.westonaprice.org/archive/archive_weston.html
>
>
> Just one example of how Weston Price was able to think
> outside the box and do such unique and significant
> studies that other people would never even consider.
> Facts like these make people who demonize butter and
> other dairy products or claim that they are "deficient"
> in some way seem absolutely foolish. This study is just
> one example of how high quality raw butter from grass
> fed cows with high levels of X factor and vitamins is
> an incredible source of nutrients and essential to
> human health.

Very interesting stuff.

TC

William A.
Fri, Jun-04-04, 18:20
There is evidence that there is seasonal death rate and
vitamin connection. Reduced cancer death rates and reduced
fall rates in elderly have been related to higher levels of
vitamin D. Low levels of vitamin D are associated with
decreased beta cell function according to results of a study
published in the May issue of the AJCN. That would tend to
raise triglycerides which would in turn tend to result in
blood vessels spasms resulting constriction of circulation,
angina, infarction, and death..

Thus that which Mark De Toad declares to be silly.... can be
true. It has been established one fatty meal can kill and
person with CAD.

I provided a reference and the Toad provided
rhetoric........... .........................William A. Noyes

<markd@toad-net.com> wrote in message
news:40bc9423$0$252$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com...
>
> If I needed a dentist I would go to him. If I needed
> nutritional and risk analysis I would, and do, ignore him on
> this specific question. He graphed the seasonal levelof
> vitamins, sunshine, and heart disease mortality. Vitamin
> content of milk is only indrectly related to amount of
> sunshine, it is directly related to thekind and amount of
> plants the cow eats and this varies by season. Even assuming
> the obviious variation in vit levels, making a correlation
> to death rates is silly. Heart disease is a long term
> disorder which takes time to develope, it does not happen
> with regard to sub yearly conditions of what's in milk.
> Seasonal death rates are more likely related to overal
> stress upon the body from various causes,ie. cold stress for
> example, then it is because milk has a somewhat lower vit a
> content during cold seasons.
>
> The question could be addressed today, such info about the
> content of milk is ho hum standard stuff of which any school
> of ag will provide upon request, along with the research
> showing what in the cow's diet is related to the milk
> content. Death rates by disease are available in many
> places, one could even do a location by location corellation
> in the places where content of milk and the cow's diet vary
> with climate at a level much more detailed and specific then
> what info the good doc price had available to him.
>
> >By Weston A. Price, DDS, MS, FACD.
> > >This important article by Dr. Weston Price includes 16
> > >graphs, posted
> >at the end of this article, showing heart disease mortality
> >compared to vitamin content in local butter samples.
> >Working with poor photocopies, and lacking Price's raw
> >data, we have been able to reproduce only rough copies of
> >these fascinating graphs. Nevertheless, the reader will
> >appreciated how precious is this research by Dr. Weston
> >Price. His studies could not be reproduced today, partly
> >because we no longer consume local foods and partly because
> >most people no longer consume butter, but it indicates a
> >fruitful avenue of research; namely, that levels of fat
> >soluble vitamins in the diet correlate with rates of heart
> >disease. We hope that the reprinting of this article will
> >spur further research.
> >
> >
> >http://www.westonaprice.org/archive/archive_weston.html
> >
> >
> > Just one example of how Weston Price was able to think
> > outside the box and do such unique and significant
> > studies that other people would never even consider.
> > Facts like these make people who demonize butter and
> > other dairy products or claim that they are
> > "deficient" in some way seem absolutely foolish. This
> > study is just one example of how high quality raw
> > butter from grass fed cows with high levels of X
> > factor and vitamins is an incredible source of
> > nutrients and essential to human health.

markd
Fri, Jun-04-04, 18:20
Of course there are seasonal death rate differences, and many
other things are seasonal too. The only and specific question
the original poster was touting were the observations of an
author who noted that milk content varies by season as does
cardiac mortality, to which he attributed the milk content
variation to the latter period. these other variables yhou now
want to throw into the mix are interesting but no causation is
demonstrated by correlation alone. The one big fat laden meal
thing is known to me but does not support the thesis of the
author in question. Milk varies by season as their food varies
by season, not by variation in sunshine except as that
determines plant activity. The author was attempting to show
that if one doesn't get what varies in milk the risk of cvd
mortality varies accordingly by season; and he failed to
connect the dots only showing another correlation which is
interesting but not causually connected in the least. We can
spin all manner of seasonal correlations, more heart attacks
and wearing more clothing, more heart attacks and eating less
watermellon, more heart attack and preparing for christmas,
less heart attack and preparing for easter and the list of uch
is endless because heart attacks are seasonal and thus can be
correlated with anything also seasonal.

>There is evidence that there is seasonal death rate and
>vitamin connection. Reduced cancer death rates and reduced
>fall rates in elderly have been related to higher levels of
>vitamin D. Low levels of vitamin D are associated with
>decreased beta cell function according to results of a study
>published in the May issue of the AJCN. That would tend to
>raise triglycerides which would in turn tend to result in
>blood vessels spasms resulting constriction of circulation,
>angina, infarction, and death..
>
>Thus that which Mark De Toad declares to be silly.... can be
>true. It has been established one fatty meal can kill and
>person with CAD.
>
>I provided a reference and the Toad provided
>rhetoric........... .........................William A. Noyes
>
><markd@toad-net.com> wrote in message
>news:40bc9423$0$252$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com...
>>
>> If I needed a dentist I would go to him. If I needed
>> nutritional and risk analysis I would, and do, ignore him
>> on this specific question. He graphed the seasonal levelof
>> vitamins, sunshine, and heart disease mortality. Vitamin
>> content of milk is only indrectly related to amount of
>> sunshine, it is directly related to thekind and amount of
>> plants the cow eats and this varies by season. Even
>> assuming the obviious variation in vit levels, making a
>> correlation to death rates is silly. Heart disease is a
>> long term disorder which takes time to develope, it does
>> not happen with regard to sub yearly conditions of what's
>> in milk. Seasonal death rates are more likely related to
>> overal stress upon the body from various causes,ie. cold
>> stress for example, then it is because milk has a somewhat
>> lower vit a content during cold seasons.
>>
>> The question could be addressed today, such info about the
>> content of milk is ho hum standard stuff of which any
>> school of ag will provide upon request, along with the
>> research showing what in the cow's diet is related to the
>> milk content. Death rates by disease are available in many
>> places, one could even do a location by location
>> corellation in the places where content of milk and the
>> cow's diet vary with climate at a level much more detailed
>> and specific then what info the good doc price had
>> available to him.
>>
>> >By Weston A. Price, DDS, MS, FACD.
>> > >This important article by Dr. Weston Price includes 16
>> > >graphs, posted
>> >at the end of this article, showing heart disease
>> >mortality compared to vitamin content in local butter
>> >samples. Working with poor photocopies, and lacking
>> >Price's raw data, we have been able to reproduce only
>> >rough copies of these fascinating graphs. Nevertheless,
>> >the reader will appreciated how precious is this research
>> >by Dr. Weston Price. His studies could not be reproduced
>> >today, partly because we no longer consume local foods and
>> >partly because most people no longer consume butter, but
>> >it indicates a fruitful avenue of research; namely, that
>> >levels of fat soluble vitamins in the diet correlate with
>> >rates of heart disease. We hope that the reprinting of
>> >this article will spur further research.
>> >
>> >
>> >http://www.westonaprice.org/archive/archive_weston.html
>> >
>> >
>> > Just one example of how Weston Price was able to
>> > think outside the box and do such unique and
>> > significant studies that other people would never
>> > even consider. Facts like these make people who
>> > demonize butter and other dairy products or claim
>> > that they are "deficient" in some way seem absolutely
>> > foolish. This study is just one example of how high
>> > quality raw butter from grass fed cows with high
>> > levels of X factor and vitamins is an incredible
>> > source of nutrients and essential to human health.