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markd
Mon, Apr-19-04, 18:13
When iron is supplemented the cognitive performance inproves:

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-04/foas-mid-
040404.php

Gt
Thu, Apr-22-04, 05:11
Ever heard of "Hemochromatosis" in men?

No man should take iron unless the levels are tested first.
Otherwise ... Bring back bloodletting! <or leeches>

http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/hemochromatosis-
/index.htm

If the disease is not detected early and treated, iron may
accumulate in body tissues and may eventually lead to serious
problems such as

a.. arthritis

b.. liver disease, including an enlarged liver, cirrhosis,
cancer, and liver failure

c.. damage to the pancreas, possibly causing diabetes
d.. heart abnormalities, such as irregular heart rhythms or
congestive heart failure

e.. impotence

f.. early menopause

g.. abnormal pigmentation of the skin, making it look
gray or bronze

h.. thyroid deficiency

i.. damage to the adrenal gland

-------------------------
<markd@toad-net.com> wrote in message
news:4083d869$0$248$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com...
> When iron is supplemented the cognitive performance
> inproves:
>
> http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-04/foas-mid04-
> 0404.php

markd
Thu, Apr-22-04, 18:12
Tom, is that you? As the research was with those who were
measured for iron stores and found low, you concern is ill
founded. One can, and I did, post the equally long list of
problems that go with low iron. The page to which you direct
us is for those whave a genetic disease which causes iron to
be stored in abnormally high levels. Leaches are back, used to
remove excess blood in reattached limbs etc. where full blood
flow is not yet reestablished.

>No man should take iron unless the levels are tested first.
>Otherwise ... Bring back bloodletting! <or leeches>
>
>http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/hemochromatosi-
>s/index.htm
>
>If the disease is not detected early and treated, iron may
>accumulate in body tissues and may eventually lead to serious
>problems such as
>
> a.. arthritis
>
>
> b.. liver disease, including an enlarged liver, cirrhosis,
> cancer, and liver failure
>
>
> c.. damage to the pancreas, possibly causing diabetes
> d.. heart abnormalities, such as irregular heart rhythms or
> congestive heart failure
>
>
> e.. impotence
>
>
> f.. early menopause
>
>
> g.. abnormal pigmentation of the skin, making it look gray
> or bronze
>
>
> h.. thyroid deficiency
>
>
> i.. damage to the adrenal gland
>
>
>-------------------------
><markd@toad-net.com> wrote in message
>news:4083d869$0$248$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com...
>> When iron is supplemented the cognitive performance
>> inproves:
>>
>> http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-04/foas-mid040-
>> 404.php

markd
Thu, Apr-22-04, 18:12
I have done a bit of reading on the disorder and have never
seen it described other then a genetic disorder. I don't
advocate iron supplements unless a medical sort has found by
test there is some reason to do so, which can as easily be
made up by eating liver etc. just as readily. I don't agree
that there is so much iron overload as to make a practice,
again without the guidence of a medical sort, as a routine
thing one does when the spirit moves; by bloodletting. Is that
you Tom? I did a mini tutural on iron status, it's disorders,
symptoms of same, causes of same, and treatment of same a
couple of weeks ago. It covered the entire range of info on
the topic from anemic to overload. If you ain't Tom, in which
case you know full well why the original was posted, most
often I post iron related info as a counter balance to one who
does so compulsivly in support of a home grown theory about
iron and disease and diet and other bits and pieces of an
interesting but otherwise toss away notion.

>Hemochromotosis (call it iron overload if you wish) is not
>necessarily a genetic disease. Males are much more
>susceptible to this problem, since they don't have the
>natural blood replacement experienced in females. If you give
>blood every other week, then it isn't a problem.
>
>It just doesn't make sense to arbitrarily take iron without
>knowing the condition of the individual first. Reading your
>posts, I get the impression that you are trying to sell us
>on iron supplementation. Yes, an individual with low iron
>should use supplementation. But you will only know that by
>testing first.
>
>GT
>
><markd@toad-net.com> wrote in message
>news:4087d50f$0$252$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com...
>>
>> Tom, is that you? As the research was with those who were
>> measured
>for
>> iron stores and found low, you concern is ill founded. One
>> can, and I did, post the equally long list of problems that
>> go with low
>iron.
>> The page to which you direct us is for those whave a
>> genetic disease
>which
>> causes iron to be stored in abnormally high levels.
>> Leaches are
>back,
>> used to remove excess blood in reattached limbs etc.
>> where full
>blood flow
>> is not yet reestablished.
>>
>>
>> >No man should take iron unless the levels are tested
>> >first.
>Otherwise
>> >... Bring back bloodletting! <or leeches>
>> >
>>
>>http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/hemochromatos-
>>is/index.h
>tm
>> >
>> >If the disease is not detected early and treated, iron may
>accumulate
>> >in body tissues and may eventually lead to serious
>> >problems such as
>> >
>> > a.. arthritis
>> >
>> >
>> > b.. liver disease, including an enlarged liver,
>> > cirrhosis,
>cancer,
>> >and liver failure
>> >
>> >
>> > c.. damage to the pancreas, possibly causing diabetes
>> > d.. heart abnormalities, such as irregular heart rhythms
>> > or congestive heart failure
>> >
>> >
>> > e.. impotence
>> >
>> >
>> > f.. early menopause
>> >
>> >
>> > g.. abnormal pigmentation of the skin, making it look
>> > gray or
>bronze
>> >
>> >
>> > h.. thyroid deficiency
>> >
>> >
>> > i.. damage to the adrenal gland
>> >
>> >
>> >-------------------------
>> ><markd@toad-net.com> wrote in message
>> >news:4083d869$0$248$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com...
>> >> When iron is supplemented the cognitive performance
>> >> inproves:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-04/foas-mid-
>> >> 040404.php

Gt
Thu, Apr-22-04, 18:12
No, I'm not Tom. I'm a cautious researcher.

Note that the research tested for low iron levels first.
People need to be cautioned to do this.

Hemochromotosis (call it iron overload if you wish) is not
necessarily a genetic disease. Males are much more susceptible
to this problem, since they don't have the natural blood
replacement experienced in females. If you give blood every
other week, then it isn't a problem.

It just doesn't make sense to arbitrarily take iron without
knowing the condition of the individual first. Reading your
posts, I get the impression that you are trying to sell us
on iron supplementation. Yes, an individual with low iron
should use supplementation. But you will only know that by
testing first.

GT

<markd@toad-net.com> wrote in message
news:4087d50f$0$252$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com...
>
> Tom, is that you? As the research was with those who were
> measured
for
> iron stores and found low, you concern is ill founded. One
> can, and I did, post the equally long list of problems that
> go with low
iron.
> The page to which you direct us is for those whave a
> genetic disease
which
> causes iron to be stored in abnormally high levels.
> Leaches are
back,
> used to remove excess blood in reattached limbs etc.
> where full
blood flow
> is not yet reestablished.
>
>
> >No man should take iron unless the levels are tested first.
Otherwise
> >... Bring back bloodletting! <or leeches>
> >
>
>http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/hemochromatosi-
>s/index.h
tm
> >
> >If the disease is not detected early and treated, iron may
accumulate
> >in body tissues and may eventually lead to serious problems
> >such as
> >
> > a.. arthritis
> >
> >
> > b.. liver disease, including an enlarged liver,
> > cirrhosis,
cancer,
> >and liver failure
> >
> >
> > c.. damage to the pancreas, possibly causing diabetes
> > d.. heart abnormalities, such as irregular heart rhythms
> > or congestive heart failure
> >
> >
> > e.. impotence
> >
> >
> > f.. early menopause
> >
> >
> > g.. abnormal pigmentation of the skin, making it look
> > gray or
bronze
> >
> >
> > h.. thyroid deficiency
> >
> >
> > i.. damage to the adrenal gland
> >
> >
> >-------------------------
> ><markd@toad-net.com> wrote in message
> >news:4083d869$0$248$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com...
> >> When iron is supplemented the cognitive performance
> >> inproves:
> >>
> >> http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-04/foas-mid0-
> >> 40404.php

Gt
Fri, Apr-23-04, 05:11
Whatever...

Do your thing.

<markd@toad-net.com> wrote in message
news:40884afc$0$248$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com...
>
> I have done a bit of reading on the disorder and have never
> seen it described other then a genetic disorder. I don't
> advocate iron supplements unless a medical sort has found by
> test there is some
reason
> to do so, which can as easily be made up by eating liver
> etc. just
as
> readily. I don't agree that there is so much iron
> overload as to
make a
> practice, again without the guidence of a medical sort, as
> a routine
thing
> one does when the spirit moves; by bloodletting. Is that
> you Tom?
I did
> a mini tutural on iron status, it's disorders, symptoms
> of same,
causes of
> same, and treatment of same a couple of weeks ago. It
> covered the
entire
> range of info on the topic from anemic to overload. If
> you ain't
Tom, in
> which case you know full well why the original was
> posted, most
often I
> post iron related info as a counter balance to one who does
> so
compulsivly
> in support of a home grown theory about iron and disease
> and diet
and
> other bits and pieces of an interesting but otherwise
> toss away
notion.
>
>
> >Hemochromotosis (call it iron overload if you wish) is not
necessarily
> >a genetic disease. Males are much more susceptible to this
problem,
> >since they don't have the natural blood replacement
> >experienced in females. If you give blood every other week,
> >then it isn't a
problem.
> >
> >It just doesn't make sense to arbitrarily take iron without
> >knowing the condition of the individual first. Reading your
> >posts, I get
the
> >impression that you are trying to sell us on iron
> >supplementation. Yes, an individual with low iron should
> >use supplementation. But
you
> >will only know that by testing first.
> >
> >GT
> >
> ><markd@toad-net.com> wrote in message
> >news:4087d50f$0$252$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com...
> >>
> >> Tom, is that you? As the research was with those who were
measured
> >for
> >> iron stores and found low, you concern is ill founded.
> >> One can, and I did, post the equally long list of
> >> problems that go with
low
> >iron.
> >> The page to which you direct us is for those whave a
> >> genetic
disease
> >which
> >> causes iron to be stored in abnormally high levels.
> >> Leaches are
> >back,
> >> used to remove excess blood in reattached limbs etc.
> >> where full
> >blood flow
> >> is not yet reestablished.
> >>
> >>
> >> >No man should take iron unless the levels are tested
> >> >first.
> >Otherwise
> >> >... Bring back bloodletting! <or leeches>
> >> >
> >>
>
>>http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/hemochromatos-
>>is/index.
h
> >tm
> >> >
> >> >If the disease is not detected early and treated,
> >> >iron may
> >accumulate
> >> >in body tissues and may eventually lead to serious
> >> >problems such
as
> >> >
> >> > a.. arthritis
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > b.. liver disease, including an enlarged liver,
> >> > cirrhosis,
> >cancer,
> >> >and liver failure
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > c.. damage to the pancreas, possibly causing diabetes
> >> > d.. heart abnormalities, such as irregular heart
> >> > rhythms or congestive heart failure
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > e.. impotence
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > f.. early menopause
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > g.. abnormal pigmentation of the skin, making it look
> >> > gray or
> >bronze
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > h.. thyroid deficiency
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > i.. damage to the adrenal gland
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >-------------------------
> >> ><markd@toad-net.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:4083d869$0$248$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com...
> >> >> When iron is supplemented the cognitive performance
> >> >> inproves:
> >> >>
> >> >>
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-04/foas-mid-
040404.php